p.m. eastern which brings us to a final question as we end the hour. find me @arimelber. should mr. navarro go on air? let me know. the more northern than that is "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. how you doing, joy? >> my favorite of navarro questions was you do realize people can hear you, right? classic, i cannot believe he said what he said. >> which is true. >> which is true. thank you very much, ari. have a great evening. good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" tonight with the concept of safe spaces which the merriam webster dictionary describes as a place intended to be free of bias, conflict, criticism or potentially threatening actions, ideas or conversations. like safe spaces for sexual assault survivors, transgender, et cetera, but for the idea on the right idea is something more

threatening. spaces online and real life where conservatives feel they get shut down for voicing unpopular views and where political correctness and wokeness force them to walk on pins and needles or just keep quiet for fear of getting cancelled. to put it mildly they don't like safe spaces, okay, they really, really hate them, but what's happened on the right and specifically inside the republican party in the last couple of decades is that their sense of victimhood and frankly fear and rage at an increasingly diverse country where they aren't automatically at center of everything, where other communities have gotten a chance to be focused on, like hollywood and books and in the culture and have elected political leaders who look like them, president obama, kamala harris and the guy recruited on to the bad list for being associated with both of them, joe biden. their anger has frankly corroded into something more like hate. to the point where they, even as the my north. only 30% of americans are republicans, are openly flaunting the idea that because they are not happy in and don't

feel affirmed by a more socially liberal modern multi-cultural and yes more secular america that there should be no safe space. if they had anything to do with it, there would be no place in this country where any of us should feel safe. that's our punishment. we have a political party that's selling demographic panic and rage and alienation, a really dangerous combination saying basically that democrats should feel afraid. i mean, just take a look at the way some republicans are advertising their political campaigns these days. >> if joe biden keeps shipping illegal immigrants into our states, we're all going to have to learn spanish. my message to biden is no way, jose. >> democrats decry walls from within their own heavily guarded razor wire wall. democrats don't want to protect you because they don't care about you. madam speaker, take down this wall. >> you don't know who has got

what in that purse, lipstick, an iphone or maybe a little smith & wesson .38. >> in 2022 i'm going blow away the democrat socialist agenda. >> i mean, immigrants should afraid and quote, unquote, socialists should be afraid and since all democrat are supposedly socialists too many immigrants are come here, build a wall to keep them out. separate them from their kid. women are having abortions and not helping to grow the domestic population of infants. we'll pass laws to make them give birth. reign rape, incest and we're going make you do it. teaching history makes them mad. get voxnated against covid, wear a mask, nope, i'm going to get in your face and threaten you. i don't care if another million people. too many of them are voting like

socialist policies like health care. how about poll watchers or make you stand in line with no water and question your registration let's stop the capitol making the cops deal with us and bring a noose. this is a political party who is mantra is there is no safe space anywhere, definitely online where people feast on 4chan and h chan and republicans have literally made bringing trump hand his dangerous paranoid style back on twitter into a political rallying cry, and, observing, set aside ideological or emotional safety we're not allowed to feel physically safe anywhere in america thanks to the republican partnership with the nra which long ago quit the gun safety business and has been working-to-for decades to make

sure that the most lethal arms get into the most alienated 18 and 19-year-old hands as possible so we can't feel safe at the wall markets at the supermarket, bible study or church service, at the salon, at the hospital, god forbid some guy gets mad at his doctor, at a nightclub or concert, even a funeral. or at school. whether you're in high school or you're ten and in the fourth grade, in america and only in america you are literally rolling the dice every time you leave your house or drop off your kids at school, and you have to pray that today is not your day or their day to meet that angry alienated american man with an ar-15. this weekend alone we had a greater number of mass shooting deaths in the u.s. than last week's three-day weekend when -- when last week's three-day weekend when 17 were killed and more than 70 injured in mass shootings across the country. today multiple democratic members of congress attend a

real student activists held at the capitol for a call of action and meanwhile the other political party isn't doing anything to try to solve the problem. republicans want you to get used to feeling this way, unsafe, every, all the time. maybe in exchange for a few tax cuts that honestly don't get to you anyway because they are really for rich people or so you can say, huh, i don't have to use a pronoun, victory and also so that they can have more power which by the way they will use to give more rich people more stuff and to take more stuff from regular people like you where you hold your breath every time you go to a store or drop off your kid at school, that's the bargain. are you okay with that? joining me now is shannon watts, daughter of moms demand action and tim miller, writer at large for "the bull mark" and author of the upcoming book" why we did it, a travel log from the republican road to hell." be a little more blueprint with that title, time. i want to start with you,

shannon. you're coming not long from a real, and i can remember the take back the streets rally. that was the thing where rim should not feel unsafe at night. we'll take back the streets and not feel afraid. that's like a quaint older period now because there is no street you can take back. we're just not safe any, and i wonder what was the message at the real, and in your mind is there -- is there an argument to be made that the republicans, you know, that the republicans are essentially saying what you're doing is wrong, like people shouldn't feel safe anywhere, they should actually be subjected to gun violence anywhere? >> our message is don't look away. we know there's a four-day window when people start to loose interest and senators, even a gop memo came out that said don't worry, this moment will be over soon. it will be up to us if the moment is out over soon and that's why we sent over 700,000 messages to our senators, 350 events in all 50 states over the week yimptd was at airports

along with volunteers at dozens of other airports across the country telling senators as they landed don't look away and then students demand action were right in front of the capitol. they will be back on wednesday again. we are not going to let us until there is a vote, and, look, it is -- it is -- can't be either/or. it's got to be some of both. we have to see compromise, and for too long it's been neithering right? we vice president seen anything happen, but also if nothing happens, there has to be hell to pay. again, it's on us to make that happen. >> i mean, tim, this is the reality. four in ten republicans say, you know what, having to worry about getting shot going to church, the store, bible freedom, that's the price of freedom. four in ten republicans think that. scarcely any independents and democrats, small numbers, think that, but that's what you're fighting. you're fighting your political party. i'm not sure if you're a republican anymore, that you

should feel unsafe everywhere because that's the price of me getting to play with my ar-15 oss on the weekend. >> i bailed right before that insurrection so pretty good timing on my part, i guess. i wanted to say since i'm on with shannon. good luck for getting into the arena. you look so frustrated and it's easy to throw up your hands and i'm happy to be on with her. joy, my analysis of the republican politicians is a little bit different on this because i think that there's a lot of issues where they are literally scared of their own base, and, you know, when it comes to trump, when it comes to a number of these issues, they don't believe any better and they are scared -- they are scared of their own voters that might throw them out in a primary if they say one bad thing about donald trump so they live in fear of anything that they tweet or any time they work with a democrat or are seen with a democrats, you know, that's going to hurt them politically. the weird thing on this gun issue is that actually we've seen in practice that you can do

practical gun reform in red states and there's politicians that don't react negatively to the decisions. in ron desantis' florida, scott signed a bill, red flag bill, having to be 21. that's not going to get to the broader issue but it might have saved the kid in uvalde. if we can't do this nationally and if the republicans in the senate can't do two simple things with the democrats like chris murphy and others who are working in a practical way i don't think we can put this on rope can voters. this is on the cowardice of the men and women serving in the senate if they can't come to that deal, and i'm sure that shannon and other groups would want more. that's a reasonable deal to be sought after parkland that the republican signed and the republican governor got promoted a as he got elected to the

senate. there's no political reason not to do it. >> the challenge is -- i've never seen a political party do more ads where they are shooting things, where they are literally saying voting for me, aiming a gun at a car and blowing it up, where they feel like they not only have-to-cater to their base, may not be physically afraid of them, but they are doing something brand new. if you're saying immigrants are a menace and now i'm going to shoot this gun, women having abortions are a menace, now i'm going to shoot this gun, that is an unprecedented message in any country's politics, tim. it's not normal politics. it's threatening. it makes us ail afraid of their base. >> the culture is out of control. you know, the isis cross of ar-15s when she was doing the interview, the two guns and a cross behind her, that was the backdrop. i had the pinto beans and she had the ar-15 cross. look, it's a broken culture,

and, you know, think -- others have written about it. having christmas cards with people with ar-15s on it. this is not healthy, and i've had a big change on guns in particular, and part of it because i was taught when i was growing up as a young republican, i was taught that gun ownership is a responsibility and a right. if you went and hunted with your dad and you brought it back and you locked it up and you are taught that this is something powerful and you've got to treat it right, a bunch of politicians are supposed to know better putting a bunch of machine guns or ar-15s, whatever it was on their christmas card. that isn't being responsible, and that's a sign of a really broken culture, and it's infill traded real the whole party. there's no other way to describe it. >> shannon, we're at the point -- what tim is talking about is not wrong. it is a responsibility. firearms are an awesome responsibility. i've been through the licensing process and training process. it's never something i would

hand to an 18-year-old and i wouldn't have in my house when my kids were young, we waited until they moved out of the house. i understand the awesome responsibility because you can literally take a life with this machine. >> right. >> but republicans have got to continue a culture where literally people are solving their anger and rage issues that are also being stoked by the same party with guns, angry about abortion and not enough children, you take a gun out, angry immigration, you take a gun out. that happened in texas. like there's an association problem that i have with it, and now we have a situation, we don't know the cause of it, philadelphia, you can't go there. i don't know how you get past if the culture of an entire political party is that we're so in love with the idea of using our guns to solve our anger about social issues, how do you then get them to say okay, we will legislate to stop mass shootings? >> first of all, this is a cultural issue. you and tim are exactly right and when we talk about guns

takes important to remember if you go back a decade to when i started doing this work our theory was we would should the line on the nra and we would expekt pose them for what they, corrupt, you know, giving special favors, a lobbying organization, not a safety organization, and we've done that, right rick they are hemorrhaging political energy in dollars but what we didn't expect to happen is the agenda would be absorbed by the right wing and now guns are an organizing principle, a way to fund-rays and excite the base, right? so that's what we have to hold people accountable for and when you talk about the responsibilities that go along with given rights, what we just saw in philadelphia apparently one of 18-year-olds had a ghost gun kit and put it together. we know about 18% of homicide committed in this country are by people aged 18 to 22.

>> right. >> they only make up 4 has of the population. we can a look at the data and see what would help us make laws that would save laws, and not one law is going to fix this whole crisis, but at this point we haven't even tried anything. >> yeah. i mean, tim, the reality is there are a number of laws that actually would have stopped some of these mass shootings. if that 18-year-old and the 19-year-old in park larnld and the 18-year-old in uvalde couldn't have bought a gun because of their age, they wouldn't have had the ability to spray children with weapons that -- that are just slightly under an m-16, right? there are laws. >> yes. >> and they have been statistically shown to work. if you had to go through the process of getting a license which takes a while, you'd have to think about it. the guy mad at his doctor, if he then had to go fill out the n-77 forms and send that in and get frintd you might have had time to think about it, so it's a loy to say guns wouldn't stop some of these murders, but yet you have republicans repeating that because the nra told them to. >> you know, i --

>> one door in a school, i mean, trying to evacality children through one door, go ahead. >> the door thing is such a good example of how bad faith this is. chris murphy, they can cut a deal in the senate that includes cool security measures, i'm all for that. include extra school security measures but when you come out after school and say there's no gun control that could make a difference but you know what might make a difference if we had only one door going into the school, here's how bad that is. there was only one door going into parkland but the shooter came when kids were being dismissed and sadly they were like sitting ducks out of the school together so one door didn't matter. you didn't want to come into the day. one door to the grocery store in buffalo and uvalde, right, so the idea that door control will make the difference but not moving the age from 18 to 21 when an 18-year-old was able to buy two guns and 370 bullets legally. okay. he could have borrowed a gun or stolen a gun, maybe, but that's a lot harder. >> right. >> you're making the barrier to entry here. >> that's right.

>> this kind of killing a lot hard fer that kid has to find another way to do this, so i just think that school security is great but it's obvious that there's a simple thing from 18 to 21 that would at least make a difference. >> republicans believe in making it harder and harder to make an abortion and think that law is worth pass the, making it harder and harder to vote, they claim just make it as easy as possible for people to get an ar-15. that doesn't make any sense. shannon watts, thank you for all that you do. tim miller, thanks for fighting the good fight, my brother. can't wait to read your new book. up next on "the reidout," new indictment for seditious conspiracy, plus, the january 6th committee's bold plan to cape glued to your screen during this week's primetime hearing, and the uvalde mother who ran into the school to save her kids herself speaks out about the horrible treatment she says she received from law enforcement as families of the victims prepare to fight the gun manufacturer in court. "the reidout" continues after this. r in court. "the reidout" continues after this

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today the justice department raised the stakes in its investigation of the unprecedented attack on our democracy on january 6th filing charges against the leadership of the far right extremist group the proud boys. enrique tarrio and four top lieutenants were charged with seditious conspiracy, expanding on the doj's allegations of a plot to forment violence to

prevent certification of president biden's victory. p this all comes as the house january 6th committee prepares for primetime hearings and today jamie raskin gave his case to the american people. >> we're going to make the case of the conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election and block the transfer of power. donald trump and the white house were at the center of these events. that's the only way really of making sense of them all. >> well, that's the committee's -- the committee democrats' plan. the challenge is to remind the american people with completely short attention spans that it matters that the former president of the united states plotted not a demonstration as republicans would have you

believe but a full-on intent to overthrow the democracy. former abc news president james goldson is working with the committee on its production value noting that the hearing will be a mix of live witnesses and pre-produced video adding that only a fraction of surveillance footage for instance side the capitol has been previously seen. the committee will also draw on testimony from administration insiders as well as video recordings of interviews with the former president's daughter, ivanka and her husband jarred kushner rick the committee eats vice chair republican liz cheney says she's confident that the committee's findings after a year of investigation will drive home the extent of the threat we continue to face. >> it's an ongoing threat, you know. we're not in a situation where former president trump has expressed any sense of remorse about what happened. we're in fact in a situation where he continues to use even more extreme language frankly than the language that caused

the attacks and so people must pay attention. people must watch and must understand how easily our democratic system can unravel if we don't defend it. >> with me now is former congresswoman elitz beth holtzman, author of "the case for impeaching president trump." really appreciate you. woodward and bernstein who investigated the obviously famously investigated the watergate hearings of which you know so much, they had actually said this is worse cups, more corrupt than what nixon did. by legal dev figures, what happened on january 6th is clearly seditious, conduct, speech, or organizing that incites people to rebel against the governing authority of the state. thus trump became the first seditious president in our history. why do you suppose it feels like such an uphill climb to get the american people to focus on the

importance of that? >> that's a good question. i'm not sure it's going to be so much of an uphill climb. i mean, when we did the judiciary committee impeachment hearings on richard nixon, i don't think any one of us anticipated that millions of americans would watch, that they would stay up and that they would remember. people still come to me and say liz, i was up all night and day watching those hearings. i think the american people have to understand, i don't know how we can get everyone to understand, maybe not everyone, but many americans, the majority of americans, an overwhelm majority to understand that what is at stake sheer an effort to destroy our democracy. the center of democracy is that the votes of people decide the outcome of elections. it's not some dictator sitting in some place with his machine gun and his little army or big army deciding the outcome, but

there was an effort here to thwart the will of the american people and that's wrong, and if that can happen once, it can happen twice. >> yeah. >> and this great experiment in democracy could crumble. do we want to see that? i mean, it's our responsibility now to carry forward that great experiment. >> it wasn't perfect when the framers created the constitution. we've been trying to make it better, but we will be shredding it if we do not pay apension so i hope americans understand, that and maybe they will surprise all the pundits because we didn't know how many people would watch or what impact it would have during watergate. >> one of the thing you didn't have is counterprogramming. roger stone existed then and now in both of these administrations, but he wasn't out there running a counternarrative, you know, media campaign to try to thwart

what the findings were, but now you're going to have that. it's not even the roger stones of the world, it's formally norm core republicans, elise stefanik who used to be a moderate republican is out there leading the charge. she's taken charge of this idea, the facts that will be visually demonstrated and that we all saw on live tv. what do you make of that? >> it's not surprising. the republicans were saying there's no evidence, show us the evidence. it's all inference and many speculation and then they couldn't back out, it showed the involvement of the -- i believe

that the january 6th committee will have evidence that will show the involvement of trump really beyond any kind of. >> i've been reaqianing myself with the absolute thinking little who have now -- who several of their leadership with --. do you think that that bolsters the case with what happened with the crime? >> well, i think it does, of course, but this has -- what the american people have to see is that something seriously gravely wrong happened, what criminal law was violated is not as important as having them

understand what the basic facts were. the american people got it about watergate. it was much more complicated than this because there were so many different kind of things, illegal wire tamgs and pardons and a whole bunch of different things. okay. this folk just on the insurrection itself. it's pretty complicated, but still focuses on that. the american people rick got it. p. and by the way, originally, these hearings weren't going to be plunge. the chair of the committee said no, no, no, we're not nothing -- and the -- once they saw they understood. i hope it's presented in a way that suggests ought tus tis of the evidence. >> yeah. >> we have any advisers opening

us. in fact we got it all wrong fumbling and puck. >> i hope that the american people pay attention, because if they don't pay attention we'll lose our democracy. >> here, here. >> it's not sunday but you can get an absolute hallelujah on that. >> wins to the first go-round and now second go-round with the hearings coming up. still to come, troubling new details about the police response in uvalde. plus, the latest on effort to hold gun manufacturers when their products are using

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the funerals continue for the 19 churn murdered in the mass shoot being shooting in uvalde, texas. elliana garcia was laid to rest today, two days after what would have been her 10th birthday. along with having to bury their precious loved ones the parent of robb elementary school are demanding answers over a botched police response that includes handcuffing parents outside the school as their children were terrorized by gunmen inside. we learned today that a shooting survivor's mother is pursuing a civil lawsuit against police while another uvalde mom, angelie gomez says she was briefly handcuffed before running into the school before

rescuing her children. she spoke to cbs news. >> they could have saved many more lives and could have gone into that classroom and maybe two or thee would have been gone but they could have saved a whole -- a whole -- the whole class. they could have done something, gone through the window, sniped him through the window, something, but nothing was being done. if anything, they were being more aggressive on us parents parents that were willing to go in there. i told one of the officers i don't need you to protect me. if anything, i need you to go in there with me to go protect my kids and you would think they would be more aggressive on us and more focused on keeping us back than getting into the school. >> the school board met taking no action against the chief of police arredondo who has been faulted for having officers stay back during the gunman's deadly siege and at that meeting we heard from more parents including a mother whose son is supposed to attend robb

elementary next year. >> my son is desperately afraid of school and what he knows right now when he goes to another school he'll get shot by a bad man. >> you'll hear from a young survivor, an 11-year-old works smeared herself with her slain friend's blood and played dead to survive. she will testify about gun violence before the house oversuing the and reform committee this week. we haven't heard from are, or at least we haven't heard enough, from police officials and that isn't the only scandal, far from it. when we come back, we'll talk about how gunmakers are marketing to teams and children and preparing them to become gun consumers as soon as they reach the age to legally purchase one. up next, the attorney who knows a thing or two about the inner workings of gun companies after his landmark victory against the company that made and marketed the ar-15 weapon used in sandy hook. stay with us. 5 weapon used in sy hook stay with us replacing thought with worry.

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it. this is the kind of provocative marketing that has helped the georgia-based gun company that has become one of the largest gun manufacturers in the country. it's also the kind of thing that has a robb elementary school staffer as well as parent who lost their 10-year-old daughter in the massacre demanding answers by the company's marketing of these weapons, specifically as it relates to teams and children. one of the lawyers representing the victims of ameri jo garza is also an attorney who successfully sued remington, the manufacturer of the ar-15 used in the sandy hook elementary shooting, reaching a settlement of $73 million for the families and the rights for the law firms to disclose remington's internal documents. the attorney joins me now. thanks for being here, and it is a novel strategy that you all used in the sandy hook case because we know that there is a law that makes it almost impossible to sue gun manufacturers. they enjoy a very special kind

of immunity from lawsuits. i'm looking up the name of the law here and i'm not seeing it on my sheet here, and they are the only ones who have it, there it is, and now you've found a way to do it based on the marketing. how does that work in the case of the manufacturers daniel defense in this case in uvalde? >> well, we're going to find out, joy, whether the degree to which it equates. i think that, look, it's not a great observation or insightful observation to say ufldy is like sandy hook 2.0, and, in fact, what i'm seeing is more of the same from which i saw from the busch master brand being marketed aggressively towards a younger demographic, targeting youth and so much so that by the time this did turned 18 he knew exactly what type of weapon he was going to get.

he's been targeted, cowed. that's what the gun struggles is doing right now. i've gone through daniel's page and this is how the "new york times" talks about it. some of the advertisements in popular video games like call of duty and feature "star wars" characters and santa claus, messages that are likely to appeal to teenagers, so that is what you're getting at, right? >> yeah, i mean, if you've ever seen the game call of duty, you no, exactly what's going on. the these -- there's an unholy alliance is what i would say between first-person shooter games and gun manufacturers rick they are both targeting teenagers, minors, and are courting them at an early age so

that by the time they turn 18 they are exposed to the product, they know how they worked and people are saying why are we seeing mass shootings today? it's because of the way that the marketing has changed since you and i were glowing up. period, i just see the evidence. you used to be able to td all different alcohol in different ways, you have seen regulation of other products that are considered dangerous to children and to teenagers. do you think that there is some room here to eventually peel back this law? it's called the protection of law full commerce and arms act and the law is unique to the gun industry, but since they do market to teenagers in much the same way people used to accuse alcohol and significant rat manufacturers, do you see the lawsuits maybe being a window

towards getting rid of that immunity? >> no, i don't think they are a window to getting rid of the immunity. you said appeal not repeal so there's a window there. there's a win dove getting through the immunity. i do not think this immunity is going anywhere any time soon. why do i think that? take a look after sandy hook in washington. nothing. what we prove in the sandy hook case is that this industry is not immune there. was a perception of unvulnerability. we can do anything we want. we can sell combat weapons to kid and just laugh our way to the bank. those days are over, joy, and -- and sadly they keep doing it, and i was -- honestly i was hoping that the sandy hook would be my last gun case. >> yeah. >> we were hoping that the sandy hook never happened at all. i'm glad you're in this fight. really appreciate you. tomorrow's primary race for the mayor of los angeles is a

fascinating microcosm for the issues face the democratic parties and what the voters care about. i'll speak with one of the front-runners, congresswoman karen bass, when we come back. stay with us. karen bass, when w. stay with us vulnerability.

in two seconds, eric will realize (laughs) they're gonna need more space... gotta sell the house. oh... open houses. we can do anything we want. we can sell combat weapons to kids, and we can just left our way to the bank. those things are over, joy. and sadly, they keep doing it. and i was honestly hoping to the sandy hook case would be the last gun case. so -- >> we were hoping that the sandy hook should've not happened at all. but here we are, glad you're in this fight. joshua koskoff, thank you very much. we appreciate you. >> up next, tomorrow's primary race for mayor of los angeles is a fascinating microcosm of the issues facing the democratic party. and what voters care about. i'll talk to one of the front runners, congresswoman karen backs. stay with us. us day on upwork.com

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states will be voting in the latest round of primaries. many of them deciding who will face off in the senate, house governor and mayoral races. when big race to watch as for mayor of los angeles, where there are 12 candidates on the ballot. a recent l.a. times at uc berkeley poll shows a tight race between democrats karen bass, the 16 progressive member of congress, and billionaire real estate developer, rick caruso. it was the registered republican until three years

ago. in that poll, 38% say they support bass, compared to 32% for caruso. if no candidate gets 50% of the vote, there will be around for the top two finishes in november. caruso has spent a large portion of his fortune on this race, dropping roughly $40 million on television, radio and digital campaign ads. according to recent surveys, the top issues are housing affordability, homelessness and public safety. congresswoman karen bass, joins me now. congresswoman, one of the things that has surprised me, just as i'm talking with folks about this race, is how close it is between yourself and mr. caruso. why do you suppose you are such a well-known person and figure in that community? why do you suppose it's so close? >> $40 million it's the reason why. he, literally, has spent $14 million just to catch up to me. you would think that he would have overtaken me long ago, and the police union have spent $4 million on attack campaigns.

i think it goes to show you that the voters of los angeles are not willing to put city hall up for sale. >> let me ask you this. because there are issues on the ground that do feel like they are helping to drive him somewhat, besides his celebrity endorsements. snoop and all the celebrities, people that have been a little surprised by that. a lot of fancy people including clarence avon, whose wife died so tragically in the shooting. but there are these issues of crime, issues of homelessness. he seems to be using to his advantage, and you're seeing that in some of the polling with black and latino men, knowing that the latino population is 48%, it's the majority in the city of los angeles. why do you suppose that is? >> well, frankly, i think that it's one of the reasons why the race is of national significance. because, joy, as you know, we spent decades trying to fight for criminal justice reform. and we are having an increase in crime in a lot of cities. but you well know that crime is increasing in cities that have undertaken no reforms at all,

or still operating off of mass incarceration, and old law and order strategies. but it is absolutely being used, because crime has now spread to areas that are relatively fluid. and they are not used to dealing with it on a day-to-day basis. but they are blaming reforms, and i think that it's important to acknowledge the crime has increased. and to deal with that, as progresses, and i know that he is basically running a very traditional republican campaign. but he's doing it as a new democrat. he filed to be a democrat, a couple of weeks before he filed for this race. and the issues that we have to make clear is that there's a lot more to being a democrat. it's about a set of values. it's not just about what paperwork you fill out. >> then, how do you prevent. the eric adams situation keeps sort of brought up when people talk about the race here right now. but it is perceived that there are -- not the majority, but there's substantial share of particularly black men, and

latino men, who are drawn to these candidates, who make more conservative cases about policing. even though, ironically, they would be the ones policed the hardest, if these old versions of police and come back. how do you push back against that? >> well, i absolutely think that it is just straight up we sexy when someone comes to my campaign. i do have a public safety plan, as i received criticism from the left, because i'm recognizing that crime has increased, and it's not time to decrease the police budget or anything like that. there really doesn't have to be -- there really isn't much of an explanation, as i have read. i'm gonna be very interested, after the election is over, and we can actually analyze the vote, because i know that the sampling of african americans in that poll from yesterday's very, very small. so, we will see if that actually does reflect the strong sentiment amongst african american men. i actually don't believe it does. >> you know, one of the things in california, it's not that it

is in places like georgia and texas. it's that you're not dealing with a voter suppressed, sort of voting situation. so, it's you could have strong turnout, because there aren't as many barriers. but will there be strong turnout in this race? >> you know, that is actually a great concern to me, joy. because you are right. we are not dealing with voter suppression here, although i do think that part of the strategy around the deluge of ads, especially the negative ads, was to really demoralized the voting population. but everyone in california that has registered to vote, we see as valid. so there isn't much of an excuse. people have been voting for a month, but the turnout is low, so that's why we have an active, vigorous ground campaign to drive up the turnout. >> and one of the other issues that played a big part in this case is the issue of homelessness. it's a tragic issue that takes place all over the country. but it's fairly acute in the city of los angeles. how are you addressing