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this morning. >> yes. >> members of the far right extremist group, the proud boys, first charged with conspiracy, are now charged with conspiracy to overthrow the government or to block federal law from their alleged role in their january 6th attack on the capitol. >> we expect to learn more about the group's actions this week, not from the justice department but from congress, when the committee investigating the attack opens its first public hearings in primetime on thursday. we'll have more on the very first witness set to testify. and -- >> wait, really quickly about this, it's interesting. you look at what the january 6th committee is putting together. you look at the information on all of this. you have republicans like marco saying, "oh, it's going to be a circus because there's going to be a tv producer involved." these republicans, instead of

doing what they took an oath to do, which is to protect and defend the konts constitution of the united states, they're just trying to distract. you know, with marco, you have little children that are gunned down and bleed out, just horrible massacre, much like what happened -- >> in his state. >> -- right up the road from marco in his state, parkland. what does he do? he tweets out attacks of the nba. really? and now we have this committee investigation coming up which, again, if you really love america, if you believe in american democracy, if you're a patriot, you want to know what happened on january 6th. you want to know what happened inside the white house. but what's he doing? he is tweeting, attacking a guy who is a former tv producer. again, it's always -- what did we say about gun policy? it's always, let's change the debate. >> talk about something else.

>> oh, we don't want to talk about guns, so let's talk about school safety. which is, well, because of guns. let's talk about mental health care. >> let's cut that. >> oh, we're cutting mental health care. let's talk about safe schools while we're cutting education funding. then let's talk about doors. >> right. >> this must be the fault of doors. now on january the 6th, they don't want to talk about the fact that donald trump tried to subvert american democracy, and republicans said so. mitch mcconnell said sew. lindsey graham said so. kevin mccarthy said so. they said so in real time, now anything to distract. it's like i said yesterday, mika. they think americans are stupid. they think their supporters are idiots and can be so easily distracted from the truth. >> three big questions as to whether or not they're right, that americans are stupid, and i believe they're not. three issues the republicans are standing on the wrong side of. january 6th, abortion, and guns.

>> yeah. >> good luck trying to argue the other side of this, as we watch what's happening across the country. >> you look at the numbers just on abortion over the past couple weeks. they've -- the right for women to choose has shot up, in some cases, 20, 25 percentage points. gallup says higher levels of support for roe v. wade, higher levels of support for women, for girls -- we're talking about rape and incest here that was polled. the numbers have gone up again, to not take the choice away. this is what republicans are doing. they have trigger laws across the country. they are on the wrong side of history. they're on the wrong side of the electorate. but they think the electorate is stupid. they think they can attack an ex-tv producer and make us forget about the insurrection. they think they can attack the

nba and make us forget about the fact that marco saw what happened in parkland, did nothing about it. did nothing about it, right? so it happens in uvalde, just like it happened in sandy hook, just like it happened -- and he talks about the nba. republicans, again, talk about anything to distract. i've just got to say, we showed dr. oz. you look at who republicans have put up because of donald trump in pennsylvania, in georgia, in ohio. >> ohio. >> i'm telling you what, republicans should blow democrats away politically in 2022. they should win in landslide margins, especially across those midwestern states, where joe biden's approval ratings are low. their extremism, their craziness, the fact that people like marco continue to cover for

weirdos and freaks and insurrectionists, they're making their job harder than it needs to be. sometimes it's okay to say, "january 6th was wrong." donald trump cheering on rioters. >> are we really arguing this? >> wrong. they don't want us to. they want to distract because they know it is so deeply offensive and so un-american, what donald trump did that day, what rioters did that day, and what republicans who are trying to cover it up are still doing every day. >> just real quickly, the numbers on abortion are clearly leaning against republicans and changing by the day. i mean, these are numbers that will cause women to get out of their comfort zone and go vote wherever they need to vote. >> you look at these numbers. the result of rape or incest up 12 points since 2001. up 12 points since 2012. every number jumps. cannot afford more children.

now, this is something that used to get 4 out of 10 americans supporting. it seemed far more selective, a selective decision by a woman than, say, rape or incest. that's jumped by almost 20 points. this final one, pretty shocking from the "wall street journal" poll, woman wants it for any reason. only 40% in 2002. it's jumped up to 57% in 2022. what these americans are saying, and certainly what women are saying is, it's my decision. >> yeah. >> whether i consider myself to be pro-life or pro-choice, it's my decision. i don't want the government to make that decision for me, and that's what states are doing. they're saying life begins at fertilization. they're not making exceptions for rape or incest. they're not making exceptions for so many other things. and it's deeply offensive that you now have about 30% of americans, 31%, 32%, 33% of

americans who want roe v. wade overturned actually suggesting, if you look at this leaked document, that that right is going to be taken away from women. it's going to be mainly men in southern state legislatures that are telling 12- and 13-year-old girls they don't have the right to an abortion. go back on your google machine and look through the years on how many americans have supporters roe v. wade being overturned. 28%, 29%. maybe a third of americans tops. at least two-thirds, up to 70%, have always said they want it to stay in place. then you look at the gun numbers. almost 90% of americans want universal background checks. these republicans, they don't care. this republican party does not care what you think. they don't care --

>> but they do care about winning so -- >> they don't care what 90% of americans think. on abortion, they don't care what two-thirds of americans think. they don't care. by the way, you look at madeleine albright's funeral. six of the last seven elections that have been run, democrats have won the popular vote. this republican party is a party that continues, and people talked about this for quite some time, they're obsessed on figuring out how to win when they're the minority. how to steal eleclections when they're the minority. how to cheat when they're in the minority. if that's not how they felt, marco rubio wouldn't be trying to distract you. ted cruz wouldn't be trying to distract you. lindsey graham wouldn't be trying to distract you. republicans wouldn't be trying to distract you. they think you're too stupid to figure this out. they think you're too lazy. think think you're going to stay home and not vote them out.

also this morning, we're going to show you a gut-wrenching account from a teacher who survived the attack in uvalde, texas. he said students could hear officers outside of their classroom before those officers retreated. what he says happened when one brave student called out, pleading for help. and the latest in the debate over gun safety. top negotiators in the senate say a bipartisan deal could be reached this week. but what exactly will be in it? what won't be? let's get to the new aggressive action taken by the justice department connected to the january 6th attack on the capitol. the former leader of the proud boys, a right-wing extremist group, and four other members are facing seditious conspiracy charges. the justice department says enrico tarrio and four lieutenants were seeking to stop the certification of the january

6th election. tarrio wasn't in d.c. on january 6th. he was ordered to leave the district following an arrest in december. though he wasn't at the capitol, the doj said tarrio was responsible for coordinating the breach of the complex and was in contact with members during the attack. seditious conspiracy is a serious charge, similar to treason, that carries a sentence of up to 20 years in prison. prosecutors must show that two or more people, by force, attempted to overthrow the government or interfere with the execution of any law. legal analysts say it is hard to prove because defendants can argue they were exercising their first amendment right to protest. we will see if it is different in this case. the actions of the proud boys in the lead-up to and during the insurrection are expected to be a key focus of the first primetime hearing of the january 6th investigative committee this

week. after first being reported by "the new york times," nbc news has confirmed that a documentary filmmaker who is embedded within the far-right group will appear as a key witness in thursday's hearing. footage shot the night before the attack shows a meeting in an underground parking garage, just blocks away from the capitol, between proud boys leader enrico tarrio and the oath keepers founder, stewart rhodes. this is being used as evidence against one of the accused. much of the other footage hasn't been released to the public, including video, reportedly, which shows tarrio's immediate reaction to the storming of the capitol. let's bring in justice reporter for nbc news, ryan riley, and white house bureau chief at "politico" and the host of "way

too early," jonathan lemire. good to have you both with us. >> ryan, what are we looking at here? footage certainly looks damning. what else should we expect? >> yeah. he was embedded with the proud boys. there was a film crew along with the proud boys, and they followed this individual into this parking garage where the head of the oath keepers and the head of the proud boys were meeting on january 5th. this was the day that enrique tarrio was supposed to be leaving. he was released from jail following his arrest in january, and his phone was taken. he didn't have a way to really communicate at that point. the government took a year to end up cracking the code to his phone. this is before he leaves d.c., and he is headed to baltimore. he spent his time in baltimore during the capitol attack. but this film crew is filming the proud boys throughout january 6th. they have compelling footage from the front lines, showing this attack. they show the initial breach of

the barricade on january 6th and how the proud boys were involved in that. what's interesting is, you know, they follow them all the way throughout. the proud boys were sort of undercover on january 6th. they weren't wearing their typical uniforms. so this footage is really valuable in connecting the dots between this pre-planning we saw and what actually happened january 6th. they were with this group. you know, following them around, even though they weren't wearing necessarily what you would expect the proud boys to wear when they would go to rallies across the country. >> jonathan lemire, you've certainly heard us talking, not that you had much of a choice. we have you taped down to the chair. but you heard what we said -- >> five hours a day. >> -- in the beginning about marco rubio's pathetic reaction to the evidence that's going to be coming out. other republicans trying to distract, saying it is political witch hunt. of course, they refuse to do a

bipartisan commission and participate. setting it up. i'm curious, though, when this information floods out as it is going to flood out, they've got the receipts. they've got kevin mccarthy's texts. they've got the video. they've got these conspiracies taking place. they've got the testimony of donald trump's people saying that he was thrilled by watching rioters beat the hell out of cops. he would actually rewind in the dining room of the oval office to see the most violent parts of the insurrection and keep watching it like he was watching a play from a football game. what is the -- what is the reaction of republicans on capitol hill, the anticipation of republicans on capitol hill? do you think that most senators will follow, let's say, mitch mcconnell's lead in continuing to attack donald trump's actions

on january 6th? will they speak out against this, or will they take marco rubio's route? will they take senators who were insurrectionists on january 6th? will we take their route? what are you expecting? >> well, those of us who have lived with this for so long feel like there's not much more we can learn about january 6th. that's now what the committee is banking on here. they believe a lot of americans who, of course, remember that day, horrified by that day, but largely moved on with their lives. we certainly know the challenges we've all faced since then, and we feel these hearings, kicking off thursday in primetime, are the moment to seize their attention again and remind them what happened and show them new things. shake some fences. go, "look, this is what happened, and it can happen again if we're not careful here." that's the belief. it is -- the only republicans are representative kinzinger, who won't be seeking re-election, representative cheney, who is in a tough re-election fight. that's the token representation

because the other republicans don't want to be involved. they're banking on people won't pay attention. they'll stay in their own media silos and won't look at this. i think it's telling that the broadcast thursday evening, not on fox news, which has about 3 million people watching primetime, but rather fox business, which has a fraction of that. there is a sense here that the right-end republicans are going to try to downplay what comes. if the testimony is explosive enough, which is committee is banking on, they'll have no choice but to pay attention. ryan, i want to go back to you on this. if i were a member of a far-right group seeking to overthrow the government, i wouldn't invite a documentary crew along for that. yet, we do have this footage now. we have this filmmaker who will be part of the testimony hearings on thursday. what are some revelations? what's the committee hinting at in terms of the show, the compelling show they can deliver for the american people? >> yeah, i mean, roger stone had a documentary crew following him

around that day, as well. in this footage, the footage that's come out so far through those following the proud boys, there is this moment -- a couple moments, actually, where the camera is waved off and told to go away. there's these key moments where, clearly, something was happening that they didn't want documented, necessarily. this was a longer relationship. this is someone who had been documenting them for a long time throughout the -- through a number of rallies around the country had been attended by this crew. it was someone who had an ongoing relationship with them. it wasn't as though he came in at the last minute and said, let's fill film exactly what we doing on january 6th. there was a longstanding relationship here. what will be interesting to look at, from the perspective of this video, is what it shows with the connections between, you know, this longstanding plot involving people followed by this film crew before and shot in various capacities. it is really remarkable in terms

of identifying a lot of the suspects. even the ones we haven't seen charged by the justice department have mostly been identified by online sleuths. they're doing it through facial recognition technology, by comparing images from old rallies to the new ones and looking for particular items of clothing that were shared during different events. they've been able to make a lot of revelations about what happened on january 6th and will be able to -- i think this footage will be able to make a really compelling case about what exactly happened and show the connection between, i think, trump's words and what happened on the ground that day. that's something we see in a lot of cases. defendants making the point that they did what they did because they actually believed the election was stolen. to them, the logic follows. they think the election was stolen, so they did this. they went in and attacked the capitol. that was just the logical consequence of what they thought happened, which was they thought the election was stolen. i think making those connections

clear between trump's words and the actions on january 6th will be what the focus of the january 6th committee will be as the hearings approach. >> all right. you know, we're also getting a clearer picture of one of the strategies used to try to keep former president donald trump in office. a group of more than two dozen trump loyalists planned to cast georgia electoral votes for trump, despite president biden's win in the state. a new email obtained by the "washington post" showed the trump staffer organizing it told participants to keep it a secret. elections operation director for georgia emailed 16 republicans who were prepared to pose as electors. quote, i must ask for your complete discretion in this process. your duties are imperative to ensure the end result, a win in georgia for president trump, but will be hampered unless we have complete secrecy and discretion.

the december 13th, 2020, email told security guards at the building they had an appointment with one of the two state senators. please, at no point should you mention anything to do with presidential electors or speak to the media, sinners continued in bold. georgia was one of seven states won by biden, where republican electors gathered december 13th, 2020, signing certificates, purporting to sign trump as the actual victor of their states. in a statement to the "washington post," the trump official who sent that email said he was working at the direction of senior campaign officials and the georgia republican party chair who served as an alternate elector. >> you know, willie, the goal of this conspiracy, actually if carried through successfully, would have subverted american democracy, would have been the greatest subversion of american democracy since the civil war.

yet, it was done in a manner that was so bush league, and we're seeing that this morning. you know, in the story, they call mike lee, a big trump supporter, who tries to find these alternate jurors for weeks. can't find anything. they call lindsey graham, rudy giuliani. they're all running around just making, i'll just say, stuff up. there's just nothing to it from the very beginning. yet, they're trying to pull this thing off. >> clumsy and out in the open, as we see in the email again. let's remind people, there wasn't much mystery to what happened in georgia. we have the president of the united states on the phone with the secretary of state saying, "find 11,780 votes. flip the state. i'll become president." thank god that secretary of state stood in the door and didn't do that. but your larger point is right,

joe. so much has been muddied in the last year and a half about what actually happened on january 6th. one of the things i think this committee wants to do is bring back into focus and remind people with video evidence, with witnesses, with documents, what actually happened. which was, there was a group of people in this country trying to stage a coup to overturn the results of a presidential election and make someone president who was not elected to be president. that's their problem. we have two stories, ryan. the federal indictment of the leader of the proud boys on the one hand. the select committee, on the other hand, doing their job to connect the story. a lot of people want to know where the stories intersect. in other words, this committee can do its job and have a primetime hearing. they can chapter and verse, document what actually happened truthfully on january 6th. who was behind it? who orchestrated it? but will the people be held to

account, is the question. that includes sitting members of congress. what follows from this investigation by the committee on the legal side of things? >> willie, that's the central question of this, is showing the overlap between what happened on january 6th and this legal effort to overturn the will of the american people. i think that footage we showed earlier of this garage meeting highlights something there. what you'll see in the footage, when you see the proud boy -- the head of the proud boys, tarrio, and leader of the oath keepers, rhodes. another person there was the latinos for trump, with a close relationship with the white house. another was kelly cirelli, part of the oath keepers, but she's also a volunteer for lawyers for trump. they're in the political world. the head of latinos was organizing rallies. kelly cirelli was helping with

the efforts in detroit. there was a real effort to overturn the vote on -- or rather, overturn the result with the efforts at the capitol on january 6th. >> ryan riley, thank you very much for being on this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," despite new threats from vladimir putin, the uk joins the united states in providing long-range missiles to ukraine. we'll talk to a member of kyiv's territorial defense force coming up. and first it was luxury yachts, now it's luxury planes. the justice department is moving to seize aircraft owned by at least one russian ooligarch. also this morning, we will see congress take action on gun violence anytime soon? that's the question. we'll be joined by the vice chair of the house gun violence

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precision-guided munitions to give ukraine an edge on the battlefield. of course, supplying weapons. ukraine promised the united states it would not use the long-range rockets to hit targets inside russian territory. bbc reports the british government received similar assurances before agreeing to send ukraine its weapons. russian forces stepped up their assault in eastern ukraine, relentlessly bombing the city of severodonetsk in the luhansk region. the governor there said intense street fighting was ongoing, and the situation has, quote, worsened for us. he also said the russians have been shelling and expanding their footprint in the city, but part of it is still under ukrainian control. president volodymyr zelenskyy said even though ukrainian forces were outnumbered in the region, they have every chance of reclaiming the city. adding, quote, our heros are not giving up their positions. he also said intense fighting had made severodonetsk and a

neighboring town, quote, dead cities. another russian general has been killed while leading an attack on ukrainian forces. according to russian state-owned media and ukraine's armedforces sunday during a battle in the eastern donbas region. kutuzov is the fourth general whose death in ukraine has been confirmed by russian officials or pro-kremlin media. ukraine claims to have killed at least 12 generals, not including kutuzov. three of them have been since reported alive. russia's armed forces reportedly lost a disproportionate high number of senior commanders since invading ukraine in late february. meanwhile, new video shows the attack in the capital of kyiv over the weekend, released yesterday on the messaging app telegram. it shows a massive explosion at a train car repair plant in the city.

unclear who released this video. one person was injured when russian missiles hit kyiv on sunday. that's the first attack on the city in more than a month. joining us now, member of the kyiv defense, wladimir klitschko, former heavyweight champion. his brother is mayor of kyiv. what more can you tell us about the bomb that went off in kyiv a couple days ago? another attack. it was widely believed that russia had, for the most part, backed away from kyiv, focusing on the east. it is clear that there still are attacks in your city. what does it look like there now? >> good morning on the east coast. it is continuing. it is continuing the terror of being bombbombarded. six rockets landed in the city of kyiv. we understand that any moment, that could be. people got injured.

fortunately, no one got killed. but it is continuing to destroy the infrastructure of our life, not just the city, the country, of life. that's what russia is aiming at. >> wladimir, the world, obviously, has been inspired by you, the people of ukraine, by president zelenskyy, by the military of that country standing up to russia, and it's done so well. in the east, though, russia is making some gains. from where you sit, what is the state of the war right now? what does it look like? >> the current state of the war is the east and the south of the country still occupied by the russian military forces. and the fights are still going on while we're speaking. it is very, very dangerous war that could spread further. russia will not be stopped in ukraine. obviously, we need to isolate

russia economically on one hand, but the other hand, we do need those weapons. we do need to defend the country and stop the russian aggression and stop the russian army just with the weapons. there is no other way. any talks didn't help. we had plenty of them in the past three months. unfortunately, there are no results. there are a lot of promises or lies, in this case from the russian federation, or threats which are continuing to spread out. unfortunately, the russian military forces are still rolling, and we need and we must stop them in ukraine. otherwise, it is going to go further. >> mr. klitschko, obviously, there were some bombs that landed in kyiv the other day. as you said, gratefully, no one killed. tell us, that was the first strike in a while. certainly the threat remained. but what is life there in the ukrainian capital? are people starting to return to their everyday routines and rhythms, or is there a weariness

that more destruction could come from the skies at any time? >> since the beginning of the war when the city was a ghost, that was the beginning of march, the city slowly is getting back to life. but understand, this so-called peace during the war in the capital is very fragile. as we just mentioned, six rockets landed in kyiv just two days ago. who knows if more is going to be landing in the future. i definitely would say life is back in the city, in the capital, and probably half of the citizens came back to the town, but life is still very fragile as well as this peace. >> all right. member of the kyiv territorial defense, wladimir klitschko, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate you being with us. mika, we've been hearing over the past several weeks generals and other military experts saying to prepare for a

very long war in ukraine. it really does, right now it looks like a war of attrition. the russians are consolidating, they're expanding their footprint. at the same time as we heard from clint watts at the big board yesterday, you have ukrainians mounting successful countermeasures. more problematic for the russians in the long term is the fact that in those red areas on the map, you're seeing ukrainians in the russian-occupied territories, just starting outbreaks now of resistance and sabotage. the sort of things the united states saw in iraq after sweeping into baghdad, taking control of the country, and fighting an insurgency. this, in the long run, is really the greatest challenge for put nmsz. whatever territory he takes over in ukraine, there is going to be

resistance. there are going to be western weapons that are superior to russian weapons. he's never going to be able to subdue ukraine. >> something that should not be underestimated, along with the weapons that are coming and the support from abroad, is the infectious patriotism, nationalism, charisma of volodymyr zelenskyy, who shows up at the front lines, who shows up on the streets of kyiv, who is so in vladimir putin's face. >> yeah. >> also, helping these troops maintain their stamina and their will to fight. it's really incredible, something we've never seen before. >> right. >> such a lesson. >> and it's not just a cause that the ukrainians have embraced. it is a cause that the world has embraced. we see it all the time. right after the invasion, we saw the russian tennis player in dubai write on the camera, "no war." we saw this past weekend at the french open -- >> the polish. >> -- the polish women's

champion talking about their support. we saw it in soccer matches in wales. people standing up and shouting "glory to ukraine." this is an international movement. >> yeah. >> freedom-loving people everywhere are supporting the ukrainians. you can't put a price tag on that when it comes to winning a war and coming out at the end on top of your opponent, who, as russians are now starting to see even on russian television, their country is isolated from the world. coming up, uk prime minister boris johnson keeps his job, but just barely. we're going to go live to london for more on the possible fallout from yesterday's no confidence vote. also ahead, new data on the so-called great reshuffling. what we're learning about the millions of americans who were laid off at the start of the pandemic. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe."

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stopped last week to celebrate keir simmons' ten-year wedding anniversary. >> no, but that was nice. >> it was a huge party. the queen, the whole family came out for that. >> beautiful. >> you had the queen's 70-year jubilee. man, talk about the morning after and the hangover. boris gets slammed by his own party. i was looking at the numbers and, you know, theresa may survived her 2018 no confidence vote and actually faired better than boris did this time. but she was out. you look back, even if you survive a no confidence -- you know margaret thatcher survived a no confidence vote. she was out shortly thereafter. so boris johnson has been trump-like in his ability to, you know, survive scandals, twist the truth beyond recognition, and still remain standing. not so sure. i'm not sure what you think, but

things are looking awfully grim for the british prime minister right now. >> well, there were a lot of cheers at the platinum jubilee, but there was a series of boos. that was every time boris johnson stepped out of a car to go into one of the events. that was booed by the crowds there. that vote yesterday, the bbc this morning is calling it the tory rebellion. 40% of members of his own party voting to have no confidence in him. you're right, in the past, historically, theresa may, margaret thatcher, these guys of votes, even when survived, have signalled that the end is coming. how soon, i guess, is the question. let's ask the aforementioned keir simmons. he is in london. senior international correspondent. keir, good to see you. as joe said, the party is over, and now the focus is on the prime minister. tell us about this vote that he says was a decisive victory for him. what does it look like going forward for this prime minister? >> reporter: yeah, boris johnson really has just met with his cap

net and said it's time to draw a line under the concerns and worries that his own party have had about that partygate affair, those parties that were held in downing street during covid. that's what it is all about. even more fundamentally, the big question, as joe suggested, is about this prime minister's ability to bend the truth. to put it bluntly, whether or not he is honest. his own party worrying, very much, that a prime minister that is not seen to be truthful can't win an election in two years' time. that's what they're concerned with. those conservative members of parliament, they always vote in the end for their own political skins. 148 of them now saying they do not believe that boris johnson is the right person to lead their party and to be prime minister. that is devastating, frankly. okay, 211 voted for him.

just think about it. he has to sit now in parliament. he has to go to prime minister questions and know that almost 150 members of his own party sitting on the benches behind him have openly -- well, it was a private ballot so, for some of them, not so openly -- said that they don't think that he should be the leader. it is difficult to see how he pulls himself out of this. although, of course, boris johnson is, as you said, famous for defying political gravity. even the vote with margaret thatcher in 1990, that was 41% of her party telling her they did not support her. her cabinet went to her and said, "the game's up. you have to go." difference here, another difference is boris johnson's cabinet do not appear to be strong enough to make that kind of move, even if they wanted to. so, yeah, we don't know. we don't know what the future holds for boris johnson, but

there are a lot of folks here suggesting they would be surprised if he can survive the coming months. certainly the next year. >> keir, i guess the question for the casual american viewer listening to the scandal around his having the parties during lockdown, which certainly are outrageous to people who had to stay in their homes and apartments for all those weeks and months while he was partying at 10 downing is, frankly, given what we've been talking about this morning, it sounds quaint. a former president who worked to overturn a presidential election, members of congress who may have participated in that. is it really about these parties, or is there something larger at play here? >> reporter: well, there's always something larger at play when it comes to the british conservative party. that is the kind of back room deals and individual ambitions that play a role.

there's also the question marks over whether he has the right team with him in downing street. and another aspect, of course, just like there, the uk is facing huge economic headwinds. there are real worries. again, if you have a prime minister who doesn't necessarily have the full confidence of their own party, is he the right person to lead a country in difficult waters? take a listen, the prime minister is trying to use that to say, i am the man of the job. let's get focused on those issues people care about. take a listen. >> i think the most important thing, although you may want to focus on me and on politics and westminster, i think what matters is what we deliver and what we do. as a result of this decision tonight by the parliamentary party, which i welcome, we have a conclusion to something that has been dragging on for far too long. we have the ability now to

unite, deliver, and get on with the people's priorities. that is what we're going to do, okay. >> reporter: guys, i think one of the really big issues here, too, of course, though, is ukraine. boris johnson, the uk having been front of saying that we should support ukraine against russia, sending the long-range missiles just in the past few weeks. that announcement. the question for president biden is, as he heads toward the midterms, could he be looking at the back end of this year without the british prime minister, who has been at the front of that ukraine alliance, if you like, and with the challenges of the change in politics domestically he may face. i think this no confidence vote here in the uk does -- will have people looking and wondering exactly where the european/u.s.

alliance over ukraine will be towards the end of this year. >> all right. nbc's keir simmons, thanks so much. stay with us for one second, keir. willie and i have a question. you're exactly right. it is a great question for president biden. the question we're asking stateside, though, is whether you invited harry over to your house. harry and meghan over to your house for the tenth wedding anniversary. we've been -- and lilibet, of course. we're looking at "daily mail" updates and see absolutely nothing. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: well, you can tell from the sickening suntan, joe, that, actually, i took my wife away for a very romantic weekend. we didn't invite meghan and harry. i don't know what she would have said if i had, frankly, or what they would have said. >> by the way, this is actual footage of celebrants outside their beach condo.

>> aw, congratulations. >> tenth anniversary of their wedding. london, of course, still in celebration. >> she put up with him for a decade. >> pretty great. >> let's try for another. >> he brought out a marching band. >> thank you, keir. >> exactly, mika. still ahead, the latest now in the efforts for gun reform. senator klobuchar weighs in on negotiations for a bipartisan deal for new gun legislation in the upper chamber. plus, we'll speak with congressman joe neguse on the gun safety bill making its way through the house. also, what we can expect from the first public hearings before the january 6th committee this week, after he served as a house manager after donald trump was impeached for inciting the capitol insurrection. his insights on that, as well. "morning joe" is right back.

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the committee found evidence of concerted planning and premeditated activity. the idea that all of this was just a rowdy demonstration that spontaneously got a little bit out of control is absurd. you don't almost knock over the u.s. government by accident. >> congressman jamie raskin, key member of the january 6th committee, on what he expects thursday when public hearings into the capitol attack, the riots, yes, yes, my friends, the insurrection -- say it again, the insurrection. look at the statute, sedition. conspiracy to commit sedition. look at the federal statute. a lot of people are triggered when you tell the truth. >> that is going to be presented

in primetime. >> you call the insurrection what it is. >> it is primetime, mika. a parallel investigation comes new charges against the far-right extremist group, the proud boys, for their alleged role. in a moment, we're going to explain what prosecutors will have to prove in the case that experts say is difficult to make. first, we have a revealing look at the impact the pandemic had on the american workforce. in a new survey from cnbc, millions of americans who were laid off during the pandemic ended up returning to work at a different company and in different roles. the new cnbc all america workforce survey found 57% of people who retired during the pandemic did so after being laid off. >> for more on this, cnbc's senior economics reporter, steve liesman. glad you're here. >> we have a lot of questions. >> i know you have the answers. >> and about the economy.

>> this has been, steve, and i'm sure you'll agree with me, i've been through -- i'm fairly old. i remember the recessions in the '70s. i remember '80. i've never seen an economy like this. we have, what, 3.5%, 3.6% unemployment? >> yeah. >> more open jobs than ever before. you know, mika and i, when we were driving around last summer, last fall, would see signs, like burger king, we'll pay you 1,000 bucks if you'll work for us. you hear these stories about people who will hire new recruits. they just won't show up for work. >> our lobster guy. >> yeah, guy that owns a lobster place, i wouldn't call him our lobster guy. >> he is our friend. >> he'd have to pay people $22, $23 an hour for something that was minimum wage. people would say, "hey, i'm not coming to work for a week or two." >> 17-year-olds working there.

>> against that crazy, bizarre backdrop -- >> right. >> -- and with jamie dimon saying a hurricane is coming, what's the workforce looking like in the survey, and what do you expect over the next three to six months? >> well, you know, i'm happy to play your economic therapist here live on national television. >> please do. i'm shaking. >> i'd point out the following. if you're not confused, you're not paying attention. you should be confused. >> oh, good. >> this is one of the most interesting times. i've been doing this for a couple, three decades now, interesting time i've had to report what is going on with these vast forces out there. you have this 3.6% unemployment rate and, yet, people really look past that and say, you know what, that's not important to me. what is important to me is the inflation numbers and the chance of recession coming up. what we tried to do here was look at the big changes the pandemic brought about in the workforce. 28% of those who were employed were laid off during it.

now look at the concerns for those employed. that's up on the screen. 83% are worried about a recession. 74% are worried their wage is not keeping pace with inflation. meanwhile, 80% are satisfied with their jobs. 60% think they can leave their job now and find another job. their confidence right now in their job security is very, very high. something like a third or 20% right now are actually looking actively for work in the job they have. the other thing we see, we have all these comments, is that health played a very big role and continues to play a very big role in putting people out of the workforce, sending them to retirement, and creating concerns about coming back. the good news is a good portion say they would consider coming back if the pay was right, the hours were right, and they had the right job. >> so that's what i wanted -- the next question i wanted to ask you. as my economics therapist, and god knows i've needed one for a very long time. i really don't understand all these numbers and crazy things

that are thrown out there. >> yeah. >> but i do know this, i saw a headline last week that unemployment reached an all-time low in 17 states. is that why we keep reading stories even after all of the stimulus money dried up from covid, where you read one report after another where people go, yeah, you know what, i just -- i don't like my job. i don't think i'm going to go back to work. that's not me being, like, the guy with the monopoly with a monocle on and moneybags. that's what people are saying to the "wall street journal," "the new york times," cnbc. they're like, "i don't like my job. i don't think i'm going to go back to work." again, that's something new. what's that about? >> i mean, look, for many, many decades in this country, this was an employer's market. we were headed, i think, over time to a market that was more balanced toward the employee

because of demographics, the aging of society. we've also made some choices in this country, joe, in terms of immigration, right? we've decided to reduce immigration, both in the trump administration and somewhat continued in the biden administration, about reducing the number of legal immigrants here. that reduces the workforce. all of that means it's a much tighter job market. there are 11.4 million untilled jobs in this country. by the way, that's of million more than we usually run. it's a tight job market. if you have the right skills, you can do a couple things. bargain for a better salary, find a better job, and maybe make working at home part of the job you agree to. more and more americans do that. when we look, by the way, joe, at people working from home, they tend to be more satisfied with their job and wages. >> steve, i'll hop into this therapy session. i don't know what your hourly rate is, but joe is paying so let's keep going here. [ laughter ] when you look around at the economy and, as you said, the

workers and employees have all the power right now, there are a lot of people saying, i don't want to do that job anymore. i didn't like that job. i'm above that job. i can get a better job for more money over here. what does that mean structurally for our economy when you have so many people, you know, housekeeping, busboys, all those things, people say, "i'm not doing that anymore," and who can blame them? >> structurally, we should be for productive. you'll have more people in jobs they are better qualified for. they have time to look for jobs. one thing we found, by the way, is the unemployment benefits they paid, they allowed people to stay out of work longer than otherwise, but it allowed them to spend more time looking for the right job. you had people before, and still to this day, obviously, who take jobs that they didn't nicely want, weren't the perfect fit. now people move around. there is, i think, some loss here in the sense that you have employers complaining about hiring somebody, then all of a sudden, they move on to another job before they're able to be hired.

right now, i will say, we're getting a little sense of a little bit of weakness in the job market from concern about the recession. we've heard about some offers that had been rescinded, especially by the way of the tech world, which was flying very high and now seems to be coming back down. i'd say watch this space in terms of what's happening. there could be softness coming in the job market, but it has a long way to go to be a difficult job market. as joe was talking about, we're near the all-time low in the unemployment rate. the job market is very tight right now. wages have been relatively strong, although, on average, not keeping pace with inflation. i hope you all feel a little better after this session. >> a little bit. i'm curious, steve, what you're hearing and reading and hearing, though, from ceos about remote work. i want to venture into dangerous territory here. this is ultimately, like, a dream for some working women. probably most working women. you can really establish that balance and do it all, if you

want. a hybrid might be a best-case scenario. but what kind of impact are you hearing from, you know, major companies, the heads of major companies, about the quality of the work that's being done, the quality of communication between employees, shared interests, shared goals, and also mentoring? >> productivity. >> yeah. >> i think we're trying to figure this stuff out. you know, i talked to bosses, and they say there are some workers who do well at home, some who do not. there are some managers who do well managing people when they're at home, and some do not. perish the thought the manager is not necessarily doing the perfect job here. i think the idea is we're trying to figure this stuff out. it was interesting, all this technology was more or less available before the pandemic. pandemic comes along, we realize there's a whole bunch of jobs that we can do from home. what is interesting about this data we found is we're establishing a kind of new elite workforce. we had our pollsters, democratic

and republican pollsters look at a group of people who have the following characteristics. $70,000 or more, annual salaries, and their job can be done from home. these people are much more satisfied with their jobs, and they're much more secure in their personal financial situations. i think that's another line that we're separating. there's some 30% of the workforce that cannot do their job at home. right now, these are lower paid jobs. i'm starting to wonder, hey, if i have to go into work now and pay that money to go in, i have to physically bring myself there, i think that job is maybe worth more than it was. >> i want to go back to one more thing, one thing you said about immigration. you know, several years ago, i was at an economics conference. people were talking about the u.s. economy, how we can make the economy more productive. actually, there was a counterintuitive statement, guy

stood up and said, if we want to tighten the workforce, we have to tighten up the immigration numbers. of course, you saw -- and people don't remember this, but barack obama was called the deporter in chief. illegal crossings his last year as president dropped to a 50-year low. donald trump comes in, of course, very harsh policies at the end. he had a spike and it started to go down. there's chaos at the southern border now, and there has been the past year or two. still, though, historically, immigration numbers are lower than they've been. >> right. >> i'm wondering, how much of this is responsible for having such a tight job market? was the guy that everybody scoffed at five years ago, talking about tidying up immigration to bring unemployment down, is that guy right? is that what we're seeing now? >> let me say, america can have the country that it wants and the economy that it wants.

immigration, i'm talking about legal immigration. illegal immigration is a more complicated issue, how it works into the economy, affecting the lower end of the pay scale. legal immigration, talking about brings in skilled workers from all over the world, the numbers are down. what it means for the tighter labor market, it means higher wages and higher prices. i'll layer in the tariff idea. if we want to reduce how open our borders are, we can do that. we do so at the expense of having higher prices internally. that's another aspect that's going on. so you can make the political choices you make, and i'm just here to tell you here are the potential results. if we reduce legal immigration, stop bringing in skilled workers, we're going to have labor shortages. if we have tariffs on imported goods, we're going to have higher prices. if that is what you want, social policy, you can have it, but don't forget about the cost, which is in higher prices. >> interesting. that's what a lot of republicans, moral republicans

are supporting those policies. back when i was republican, back when i served, it was about free markets. it was about low tariffs. it was about -- ronald reagan was about legal immigration. >> steve liesman, will you come back? love having you on. you're a great therapist. >> thanks, guys. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. >> good to have you, steve. top senate negotiators say they could reach a bipartisan gun safety deal this week. face-to-face talks resume on capitol hill, and democratic senator joe manchin of west virginia said yesterday he supports raising the age to buy semiautomatic rifles from 18 to 21. >> two things we always talk about any time there is a horrific tragedy such as this. you come up with some ideas and say, so that wouldn't have stopped this one. we know two things that would have stopped this one. the age was at 21, and also if there was red flag laws that

really made a difference but also protected people with due process. there's things we're talking about, things we the work on that make all the common sense in the world. >> jonathan lemire, of course, you had joe manchin after sandy hook working with republican senators. pat toomey mainly from pennsylvania. i'm curious, what sort of traction is that getting from your contacts in the white house and on the other side of pennsylvania avenue? >> joe, there's still no real movement here to raise the age on those semiautomatic weapons from 18 to 21. manchin signalled his support for it. in another clip, he went on to say he'd be okay with banning them all together. that's not on the table. it does seem like republicans are not going to go for raise the age either. right now, it seems a narrow bill is being considered and drafted by the senators. it'll focus on expanding background checks, not making

them universal but expanding them, and pushing forward more red flag laws. a lot of that even be fall to individual states rather than at the federal level. as senator murphy and those close to him have said, look, this is incremental. this is a step. it's a step. they're grateful for anything. they felt like they needed to show some sort of progress. as murphy has passionately said, anything is better than nothing. maybe it can save a few lives. but this is going to be a pretty small measure. we think it'll come together in the next few days, maybe even it spills into early next week. there is momentum and optimism it'll get done, but it'll be piecemeal, not significant, and it does seem like the raise in the age won't be part of it, even though it would have prevented each of the shooters in buffalo and in uvalde from legally purchasing the firearms they used for their massacres. >> it would have. >> jonathan, of course, as you know, in politics, you do take what you can get. chris murphy was around and he was around after sandy hook.

saw it up close and personal. everybody expected legislation to pass then, and they got nothing done. so here, you're right, i think he knows that kmg is better than nothing. that said, i'm curious, what is the republican justification for not raising the age to get military style weapons? again -- >> or banning them. banning them! >> better explanation, i guess, is, again, to get weapons designed for war. that were designed for the military. what is the holdup from moving that age from 18 to 21 when, again, as we all know, you can't get a beer legally in texas if you're 18 years old. you certainly can't rent a car until you're 25. but if you're 18, you can walk in and get a weapon of war and shoot up schools. what is the republican

justification for that? >> that is the single most burning question in washington the last few days. why, three years, 18 to 21, why won't they do this? white house aides asking that question. lawmakers on capitol hill asking that question. reporters asking that question. the answer seems to be that republicans have coalesced around this, not all but most, they think it'd be some infringement on the second amendment, the legal right to buy arms. it is an answer that doesn't carry much water. it is one that outrages many across the aisle, those who want to have more gun safety regulations. at least for now, that is where they are. there has been -- there's still fluid conversations, so i'll put it out there. the last 24 hours, a little more conversation about raising the age, but everyone i talked to close to the process says it is highly unlikely. they don't think it'll be part of this. it'll be narrow or red flags, background checks. something is better than

nothing, but it won't be a lot. >> some limits on gun rights are being taken up on the house side, though. a gun safety bill is moving forward after advancing through the judiciary committee last week. it is called the protecting our kids act. it was approved along party lines following a contentious hearing that lasted nearly 9 hours. >> let me be clear, you are not going to bully your way into stripping americans of fundamental rights. why did you come here at all? >> if you're not here for the children, why don't you go to the funeral of the killer? >> democrats are always fixated on curtailing the rights of law-abiding citizens rather than trying to understand why this evil happens. >> tell the parents who lost children, tell the family members who saw loved ones slaughtered that we're rushing. the real question is why has it taken us so long? >> let's speak now to a member of the house judiciary committee, congressman neguse of

colorado, vice chair of the gun prevention task force. thank you for being with us. a lot in the bill is not controversial when you look at polling with the american people. raising the age to purchase a semiautomatic rifle like an ar-15 from 18 to 21. tohigh-capacity magazines anditems you have in the bill. where is the pushback? why is this a party line vote, at least out of your committee, not a single republican voting for it? >> good morning. it is good to be with you. it is a great question. i wish i had a better answer. i think it is a question best posed to my republican colleagues who, unfortunately, seem all too willing to capitulate to the gun lobby and are unwilling to support the common sense reforms. as you mentioned, it is confounding to me. i can't for the life of me understand how some of these republican members, who, by the way, come from states where some of these reforms have been adopted. of course, you all have detaile.

much of the reforms included in the omnibus package the house judiciary committee passed are similar to the reforms adopted in the state of florida under governor rick scott. to see how him and so many other republicans refuse to take these common sense steps that we know will save lives is, of course, deeply disappointing and frustrating. but i am hoping that we will see something get done in the senate. it seems as though the negotiations there are going well by all public accounts. we'll continue to hope against hope. in the meantime, the house will take the actions that are necessary here. our constituents are demanding action, and we intend to do so. >> congressman, can you lay out for our audience what all is in your bill? i think it is important to see what people are voting against. there is an assumption your legislation, if it makes it out of the house, will not pass through the senate where it'd need 60 votes and needs republicans to get on board. what are the headline three, four, five items in this bill

that you're voting for but republicans are voting against? >> sure. well, these are, again, simple, common sense, straightforward reforms that we know will save laws. just to give you a couple examples. as you mentioned, raising the age from 18 to 21 for the purchase of a semiautomatic weapon, that was a change adopted in florida as well as other states. reforms to the background check system, so we can ensure those who are dangerous, felons, are unable to access a firearm. banning ghost guns, which have been a scourge across the country, taken lives of so many, including law enforcement. creating federal offense for gun trafficking, which has also been an epidemic, particularly in our urban cities. also, a safe storage requirement. again, common sense steps that imperative evidence, data tells us will ultimately save lives. none of these reforms are particularly controversial, and i have yet to hear an argument from my colleagues about why

they are unwilling to support, it seems, any of them. i'm hopeful. we didn't get republicans on the judiciary committee, unfortunately, to vote in favor of the package, but i'm hoping tomorrow when the package hits the floor, perhaps a few of my colleagues will step up and do the right thing. >> clearly, politics is the art of what is possible, which you teach us every day. having said that, nothing on the table would prevent what happened in uvalde. let's remind, if we will, all of us, what this is all about. abc news spoke with the fourth grade teacher who was in classroom 111 during the uvalde school shooting. reyes was shot twice by the gunman, described the chilling moment he first saw the armed 18-year-old. we want to warn viewers, some might consider this account very difficult to listen to, but it offers an account of what was happening inside the classroom when shots first rang out. >> the kids started asking out

loud, "mr. reyes, what is going on?" i said, i don't know what's going on. let's go ahead and get under the table. get under the table and act like you're asleep. as they were doing that and i was gathering them under the table, told them to act like they were going to sleep, is about the time when i turned around and saw him standing there. >> apparently, students could hear the officers outside of their classroom before the officers retreated. here's more now from the teacher. >> one of the students from the next door classroom was saying, "officer, we're in here. we're in here!" but they'd already left. and then -- he got up from behind my desk, he walked over there and shot her again.

>> mr. reyes lost 11 of his students that day. >> let's bring in right now pulitzer prize-winning columnist and associate editor of the "washington post" eugene editor. new piece is titled "we'll get less than half a loaf on gun control. we should take it." we'll talk about that in a second, gene. i just -- these stories of police officers outside the kids' classrooms -- >> they're right there. right there. >> kids calling 911, bleeding out. the officers right there. i read peggy noonan wrote about this last week. >> mm-hmm. >> i'm curious, what -- how do you process this? you have law enforcement officers on one side of the door. little children being shot at, bleeding out, and the officers run outside. >> i can't process that, joe. i really can't. i don't understand it. why did you become a police

officer if not to protect and serve? how are you not going to act when you know that there is a gunman inside the classroom killing 10-year-old and 9-year-old children? taunting them as he kills them. it is unfathomable that this happened, but it happened. it does, to me, it raises the whole fallacy of the good guy with a gun approach. this is a bit different. these are police officers whose job it was to protect those kids or try to protect those kids. they didn't do it. they just flat out didn't do it. but it is also something to think about, confronting a

maniac killer with a weapon of war, obviously a police officer should think about that in a different way from the way civilians would think about it. but it does, to me, it says this nonsense about let's arm the teachers and that'll solve the problem. or let's have an armed security guard at the school. 19 officers in the hallway, unbelievable. unbelievable. i do -- >> by the way, gene, they were all armed. >> yeah, they were armed. >> stupidity. who whole stupidity of, oh, let's arm teachers. you had police officers who were armed, but guess what? they wouldn't go in there because the 18-year-old guy, the 18-year-old guy had a weapon that was more powerful, more deadly than the weapons we gave our troops in vietnam. >> right.

and so, yes, so they were facing a really dangerous adversary. yes, they should have gone in, but they thought about that, obviously, and decided not to act. so it's just ridiculous to think that this is -- that that is the way you can solve this or even do much of anything about this horrific problem without dealing with guns. and how that 18-year-old got his hand on the guns. now, you know, the senate package their talking about, jonathan lemire was describing to us, it apparently is going to encourage states with carrots and sticks to pass red flag laws. maybe if texas had had such a law, maybe his -- this young man could have been flagged. maybe the weapon could have been taken away from him.

the senate package is perhaps likely to do very little, but at this point, very little seems to me better than nothing. but i do have a question for congressman neguse, which is if the senate passes a package like we think they will, which is painfully incremental, but one can imagine it might save a few lives at some point, stop a few shootings at some point, will the house go ahead and pass this knowing there's so much more that can and should be done? >> i think the answer to that question, eugene, is yes. mika, i think, said it best. politics is the art of the possible. while i believe, and my colleagues share that opinion, we should do far more and follow the president's lead in terms of the call he made last week for decisive, significant action on gun violence prevention, at the

end of the day, i will support any step that will save lives. i think that, to the extent that the senators, senator murphy and others who are able negotiators, are able to forge together a package that would, in fact, save lives and make some progress on this critical issue facing the american public, we ought to support it and we ought to build on that achievement by doing more and taking additional steps we know ultimately will protect our families and communities. >> congressman, before you go, you served as an impeachment manager. i'm curious your thoughts on what can be expected on the january 6th hearings. >> i think they are going to be incredibly important. i certainly hope that the american public tunes in on thursday. you know, it's rare, you all covered washington for quite some time. it is rare to have a committee like this committee, where you have very few leaks, where you have members who tune out the noise and criticisms that may have come their way, and, instead, kept their heads down

for the better part of the last year, doing the work behind closed doors, taking depositions, pounding document requests, and i suspect they'll have a lot to share about the underlying conspiracy that the president and his acolytes engaged in to subvert the peaceful transfer of power. i also think, and you've covered this, the recent charges announced by the department of justice with the proud boys, sedition charge, is a significant development. i suspect that also will be relevant as the committee begins its public hearings over the course of the next several weeks. >> all right. democratic congressman neguse of colorado, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," we have new reporting on a resistance movement happening inside russian controlled areas of ukraine. plus, this russian oligarch's life of luxury could take another big hit. >> they take his yacht. >> we'll tell you what the

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we're back at 7:33. russian forces in ukraine are facing a new, unexpected form of resistance inside the country in the form of increased guerrilla attacks. "the new york times" reports in the past month, ukrainian insurgents attacked russian trains and killed dozens of

russian soldiers. according to officials, the resistance movement supports the ukrainian military's counterattacks. the paper reports the group also established a virtual center of national resistance, which features instructions for things such as setting up ambushes and what to do if arrested. however, a senior ukrainian official says the russians are countering the growing insurgency by targeting civilians. adding, quote, the number of abductions of locals has increased significantly. as we near the third month of the war on ukraine, we're learning more about a group within russia that could help change the perception of the war from the inside. mothers of russian soldiers have been known to put pressure on the kremlin before, and they could do it again. "morning joe" reporter daniela pierre bravo has more on the impact they may have on the trajectory of the war in ukraine.

>> translator: i want to say this once again to russian mothers, especially mothers of conscripts, do not send your children to war in a foreign land. >> reporter: they're the reason ukraine's president is appealing directly to the mothers of russian troops. they changed the course of the kremlin's battle plans in the past, and he's hoping they'll do it again. grieving mothers led the public outcry during the use of russian soldiers back in the '80s, during the soviet-afghan war. their outrage over the death of their sons too vocal for the russian government to ignore. years later, the war galvanized mothers to speak out and form an organization, the committee of soldiers mothers of russia. >> not only did the russian mothers activate, they marched into the battle, into the battlefield, in the major urban battle, they camped out until the russian generals came out

and talked to them. >> reporter: it was a different world back then, with a remarkably different media landscape. >> the freer press was against the war broadly and they were bringing to russian people's tvs the horrors of this war and the fact the war was being waged. >> reporter: since then, media censorship has come in. the brutal invasion is disguised and remains among the elite. >> translator: i want to address the brides, mothers, and those defending russia. you may be as proud of them as the whole country is and also worried for them. >> we're only three months into this war. so far, the effect of the propaganda has been so powerful, and the kremlin is also good at flooding the social media

networks with pro-kremlin, pro-war content to drown out a lot of the anti-war content. >> reporter: but despite strict limits on information from the ground, the harsh reality of the war in ukraine has found its way back home. worried relatives of russian soldiers are turning to hotlines to learn about their whereabouts. and leaning on organizations like the soldiers mothers committee. the leader of the group telling the "guardian," it's a sea of tears. >> the good thing is, technology in terms of whatsapp groups, so on and so forth, can be a conduit for spreading information about what's actually happening. >> and that's more powerful than bullets. when he calls home and tells mom, who has been fed information from the russian state, there's no free press, to get from your son's mouth how bad it is going, that'll spread to other mothers. >> reporter: so far, the

collective outcry from mothers back home and its influence on helping curtail the war remains to be seen, but it could be gaining momentum inside russia. and if it does, it could change the war's trajectory. >> people don't want to believe that their children, often their only child, died for a bad cause. >> this is still early days. this conflict is probably going to go on for months, if not years. that means there will be more russian losses that will be harder to hide. >> "morning joe" reporter daniela pierre bravo with that report. up next, french president emmanuel macron sparked a wave of criticism recently after suggesting russia should not be humiliated for its invasion of ukraine. the french ambassador to the united states is standing by and joins us next to weigh in on that, and the ongoing effort to reach a diplomatic end to the

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7:42 in the morning at the united states capitol. the justice department is taking action against a russian oligarch. court filings show it plans to seize two planes from abramovich as part of the sanctions. the "wall street journal" reports volodymyr zelenskyy

asked president biden to refrain from sanctioning the oligarch because of his assistance in peace talks between russia and ukraine. nbc news has not independently confirmed the "journal's" reporting, mika. ukraine is rejecting a suggestion from french president emmanuel macron that russia must not be humiliated by the west. macron called putin's decision to invade a historic mistake but cautioned both sides to allow the space for a diplomatic off-ramp. in a scathing response, ukraine's foreign minister said, quote, calls to avoid humiliation of russia can only humiliate france and every other country that would call for it. since the start of the february invasion, macron has regularly kept in touch with putin by the phone in an effort to achieve a cease-fire. joining us now, french ambassador to the united states, ambassador etienne. reading your tweet, i see that

there is no concern on your part as it pertains to humiliating putin or russia. what do you make of the french president's comments and sort of sense of strategy here? >> thank you for having me. thank you for the question. for the time being, we have been all the time, and we will continue to do this, reaffirming our unwavering support for ukraine, for its sovereignty, territorial integrity, and we are just continuing to increase our support to ukraine and to increase the price which russia has to pay for this brutal, unjustified invasion. for example, the french presidency of the european union, the european union just adopted the sixth package of sanctions. sixth, including a ban on oil from russia. at the same time, as president

macron has said a couple times already, many times, we must always think that, at one point, there will be the necessity to restart a political and diplomatic path to end this war, of course. this is the reason why he said what he said, as you have reminded us. >> yeah. mr. ambassador, you know, quoting actually anne applebaum, an expert who appeared on our show yesterday, vladimir putin has not indicated any desire for any type of off-ramp. unless the french president is seeing something differently in his conversations, what are you hearing? >> what president macron said also, and i think you have just recalled that, it is that he told the russian president he has made a historical mistake

for his country when he decided to invade ukraine. again, we have to make the price as high as possible and to increase the price still now while the invasion still is going on. and it is his responsibility to act, to end this war and to come back to diplomacy. but on our side, it is also our responsibility to be, on the one hand, very firm and even to increase support, including military support. france is increasing its military support to ukraine, like other allies and partners. on the other hand, to underline that we will be always ready -- when it is -- when the time comes to come back to a diplomatic conversation, to a political solution, once also

the ukrainians deem it possible. because it is a responsibility. we are not interested in any escalation. we are not directly at war with russia. we want to continue to act on these different lines, including the impunity. i recall that we have -- that france that has sent the biggest team of investigators to investigate on the crimes, the war crimes in bucha, including on handling the global effects of this war started by russia, including on food security worldwide. so we have to act on this different line, and we will continue, of course. >> good morning, mr. ambassador. to follow on mika's question, president macron said on saturday, i am convinced it is france's role to mediate power. you offered support, but also president macron has been attempting to be a mediator. traveling to moscow and speaking

to president putin. to follow on what mika is asking you, is there something in those conversations that the president sees that the rest of us don't, that other diplomats around the world don't see, that vladimir putin may be willing to give something? i doesn't appear so from the outside. >> as you know, our president has traveled to moscow and kyiv before the war to try -- with orr leaders to try to prevent this war, this unjustified war which has been bringing so much suffering to ukraine and its people. he has kept always in communication with the ukrainian president. he has kept in contact with the russian president. again, like some other leaders in the world. again, it is the responsibility of the russian leadership. but we have always made clear that we want to end this war defending ukrainian people

against this unjustified war and to rebuild it. we'll have to rebuild it. at some point, something that brings security to all european nations. this is the reason why also we have said that we we will take t to any agreement, any settlement, including bringing security guarantees. and we are always, always keeping in mind the goals we have here. the goals i have already stated in my previous answer, one of them is unwavering support to ukraine and the other one is when the conditions will be met. and your question is, are the conditions met for -- have we any indications that the conditions could be met? again, it is not in our hands. we are doing what we have to do. we are doing what we have do

together with others. we share the european council. we do it in close coordination with the u.s. >> mr. ambassador, this is eugene robinson. i believe i understand the point that president macron is trying to make, which is that in the end, vladimir putin will have to decide to end his unprovoked aggression against ukraine. and to get to that decision, some conversation will have to be held and someone will have to mediate that conversation. i get that. what i don't understand is, what is the difference between humiliating putin and not humiliating him? what is that dividing line? what does that look like? >> i don't think the words in our president was about humiliating one president or not. it was humiliating one country, russia.

in a speech before the european parliament, when he said this he also used a comparison with our history in europe. so the answer to this question is just that we want, when the -- when it is possible to rebuild a peace and security order in europe which will be sustainable, which will not bring us later to new dangers or new wars. for the first time to this extent, if we don't forget the war in western balkans, but to this extent for the first time war is back to europe since the end of world war ii. we have to face this. we have to consider what we will have to do to rebuild security and peace when the time comes. but for now, of course, i repeat, we are standing in an

unwavering way with ukraine. our foreign minister was there in kyiv recently. her statement was absolutely unambiguous on this. >> will mr. macron be visiting kyiv, visiting president zelenskyy like some of the other european leaders have done? >> when he was asked this recently, he said, of course -- he said he does not exclude this. but recently, our foreign minister was there. we have very close contact. he has close contact with the ukrainian president. >> all right. france's ambassador to the united states, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. still ahead, quote, woodward and bernstein thought nixon defined corruption. then came trump. that's the new "washington post" headline describing the view of our next guest.

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a live look at capitol hill, ahead of thursday's primetime hearings in the january 6th attack. bob woodward is here. a lot to talk about. >> it's 8:00 on the east coast. >> jonathan lemire right now -- i don't think we will ask about the nationals. our red sox keep winning. we just win. doesn't matter though. we don't have the payroll of the new york yankees. for them, it's -- i don't know. i think it's all about money. for us, it's about the love of the game. >> the kids. >> it's about the kids. it's always about the kids. if you are a red sox fan, you know. everything we do, we do for the kids. yeah, al east, what a division. >> the scrappy kids. red sox, look at that.

cue the chorus, we are over .500. it took us a long time to get there. the sox surging, including with a 1-0 victory last night. i thought something was wrong with my phone. look at this. they may be in fourth place in the division, but if the season ended today, they would be in the playoff as part of the new expanded system. that graphic tells another story. 11.5 games back. we have been talking all morning about inflation, about rising costs. let's start with the yankees' payroll. i believe it's $500 million now. they bought everybody. we are lucky we are in the same stratosphere. >> if you go to fenway tonight or next time they are home, you are going to see furled out from the top of the stands

that say, we're number four and then asterisk, we may get into the playoffs. >> you know what's happening? we are pitching. we're going to have somebody go down. there are always injuries. the pitching staff has been lights out. they had a dip last week, now back up on a winning streak. this is exciting to people across the country. if the season ended today, we would have a subway series, yankees and mets. the mets, let's not forget them, are playing great. to your point, the yankees don't have the payroll of a new york mets or an l.a. dodgers. >> please. >> oh, my god. >> we don't. we are playing for -- we are barely in the phillies league. we are just doing our best with what we have. despite that, we have the best record in baseball. i think that's exciting for young people. no matter what age you are. [ laughter ]

>> oh, my god. >> america's team is somehow getting by. >> willie will tell you, the way they get their players is, they got scrappy kids playing stick ball in the bronx. hey kid, you want to come on in and play a little ball? in washington, for our friends in washington, a team that i have enjoyed watching through the years, this is what general managers might call a rebuilding year. >> that would be charitable. we are in the cellar. it's a shock when i open the sports section in the morning and see the nationals have won a game, which happens occasionally. it has happened a bit more often the last couple of weeks than earlier in the season. we are something like 16 or 17 games out of first place. rebuilding year. so rebuild already. we got one of the best players in the baseball, juan soto.

i want to put players around him. give him some pitching. you protect him so he doesn't get walked every time he comes to the plate. you will get results. before we do that -- >> gene said that. the nationals' next general manager. we have bob woodward standing by. let's set the stage for everybody at four minutes past the top of the hour. a key member of the select committee, congressman jamie raskin says the hearings will tell the story of a conspiracy to overturn the 2020 presidential election and block the transfer of power. >> it was not a tourist visit. it was not legitimate political discourse. it was not discourse of any kind. it was violence unleashed against the people of the united states and our representatives in congress. and all of it was surrounding a

concerted, pre-existing plot to overturn and destroy the results of the 2020 presidential election. >> congressman raskin said the committee will present evidence that shows donald trump did more than just incite an insurrection for which he was impeached for. raskin says he believes the former president and the white house were at the center of the alleged conspiracy to overturn the election and block the transfer of power. joining us now, pulitzer prize winning associate editor of the "washington post," bob woodward. a new forward on what watergate means today. >> we will get to that in a minute. i want to ask you -- you have written so much about the events leading -- you and bob costa about events leading up to january 6th. based on your reporting, based

on all the things that you have told us about the lead-up to january 6th, what do you want to learn from the hearings? what do you expect us to hear? >> well, of course, what's important are witnesses, documents, the video of the attack on january 6th i think is actually crucial to show and demonstrate, once again, to people that this is politics as violence. and the tradition in this country is we do it peacefully. i agree with congressman raskin completely. i think the evidence is overwhelming that trump and the people around him were involved in a criminal conspiracy. and as we know, it is a crime to obstruct, attempt to subvert the

lawful business of government. i mean, there's no ambiguity in the law. if you bear with me, i wrote down some of the things that actually the supreme court has held about somebody who tries to interfere with the necessary, lawless functions of government. of course, on january 6th, it was clear from the constitution and the law that this was a certification of who is going to be president. what the supreme court has held going back 100 years, that it is a crime if there's deceit, craft, treachery, dishonesty, misrepresentation, overreaching

and overt acts. this is exactly what trump and these people have done. the task the january 6 committee has, i think, they're going to have to present new evidence to convince people, because lots of people are not convinced of this, that this was a crime. i think many more are. so they have a monumental task. it's going to be riveting. who buys in? we're going to see. >> bob, you began there to answer my question, which is that republicans -- prominent republicans are dismissing the select committee. they have for months. marco rubio called it a circus. they are willing and want to look the other way for much of this. so what can be the impact of

this to a country that seems to be so divided, certainly in its media consumption? these hearings will not be broadcast on fox news. they tend to be looking the other way on this matter as well. what can this committee do? what case can they make? what impact do you believe it might have? >> well, i know you are always interested in -- i am, too, obviously -- what's going on here. let's look forward. i think the question is, what's the legacy going to be for this committee i think in a much more interesting and important way, what is the legacy going to be of attorney general garland who has to make some critical decisions? do they bring criminal charges against anyone for this insurrection? what do they do about trump? in a very, very important way

garland has to decide what to do with the hunter biden laptop case involving the president's son. as they say, big casino for the justice department and for garland. and i think it is going to reflect on biden's legacy. is there justice in the biden presidency? we could spend a long time arguing about whether it would be folly to indict trump and these people who were involved. there's an argument that it would be folly not to indict them. there's a lot hanging for gore garland, for biden and this committee and trump. you were talking about the baseball teams who have the

payroll, who have the money. you know what trump is doing in mar-a-lago is raising money. he has more money, he is the one who also has to rebuild. is he going to build some sort of new campaign team? what's going to happen? is he going to run? i jotted down 13 things that are going on in this country now from afghanistan still, ukraine, the shootings. i've never seen a time when there is more national and international and local business that's going to be decided where we go. >> bob, it seeps like it's a moment where the nation is tearing at the seams.

maybe some of the showmanship of the hearings that are coming as of thursday night, the primetime to kick it off. what parallels do you see what the committees need to do to change minds and the watergate hearings that captivated the nation decades ago? >> it's a great question. of course, what happened in watergate is nixon tried to pivot to a disclosure moment and actually brought in a new attorney general in 1973, elliott richardson, who appointed a special prosecutor to look at watergate. all of the matters that attorney general garland has to deal with about trump and hunter biden and the upheaval in the justice department normally would go to special prosecutors.

but they're keeping it within the justice department. from what i understand from my reporting, there is a battle royale going on in the justice department, because you have people in the criminal division who come down from the southern district of new york, they are very aggressive prosecutors. they work in the justice department criminal division. they say, we've got the evidence. what are we going to do here? that's a big political decision and a big legal decision and also a big moral decision. >> so, bob, in a new piece for "the washington post," you and carl bernstein write about the parallels between president richard nixon and president donald trump.

you write this, president george washington, in his celebrated 1796 farewell address, cautioned that american democracy was fragile. cunning, ambitious and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reigns of government, he warned. two of his successors, richard nixon, and donald trump, demonstrate the shocking genius of our first president's foresight. as reporters, we had studied nixon and written about him for nearly half a century during which we believed with great conviction that never again would america have a president that would trample the national interest and undermine democracy through the pursuit of personal and political self-interest. and then along came trump. both nixon and trump have been willing prisoners of their

compulsions to dominate and to gain and hold political power through virtually any means. in leaning so heavily on these dark impulses, they defined two of the most dangerous and troubling eras in american history. as washington warned in his farewell address more than 225 years ago, unprincipled leaders would create permanent despotism, the ruin of public liberty and riot and insurrection. riot and insurrection was something my father talked about on the set of "morning joe" years ago in a debate about income inequality and where the public was, how it was feeling being left out. bob, what's interesting here about this almost prediction about what could happen to our democracy, i'm curious your thoughts on perhaps the difference here is the compliant

congress or what is the difference that perhaps makes things more dangerous? >> i think it is more dangerous now. remember, nixon won with all of his deceit and espionage and sabotage and coverup campaign he conducted. trump lost but only if you count it right, 47,000 votes. trump, at least according to my reporting, is on the comeback route. he wants to run again. it's interesting. trump was -- as we know -- president for four years. he learned some things about the levers of power. if he becomes president again, i think there's going to be not as much ambiguity. i think he will clearly do some

things that are frightening to hold power again as president. this needs to be examined. i'm glad you went back and read what george washington said. carl and i didn't find that. my wife, elsa, who is the historian in our family went back and look and said, here, washington, two centuries ago said, it's fragile, democracy, and we better worry about it. the worry continues on so many fronts. something bob costa and i wrote about chairman of the joint chiefs milley dealing with nuclear weapons and the fear he had and then nancy pelosi, of

all people, whether you like or dislike nancy pelosi, she has an instinct for figuring out the moment. this was two days after january 6, she and milley have a conversation in which she says -- and costa and i have a transcript of this. she says to milley, trump is crazy. how do you know he won't use nuclear weapons? how do you know he is not under control? and milley tries to calm her down. one of the most extraordinary things that i have ever reported on, milley had to call in the watch officers 24/7 in the pentagon and the national military command center who handle the communication between

the president and the forces. milley literally had to call them in and say, i want each of you to swear that you understand that our procedures will ensure that i, chairman milley, am involved in any discussion to use military force or nuclear weapons. i mean, the idea that we had to worry about this, that nancy pelosi was worried about it, now listen to cia director burns on his public warnings echoing what vladimir putin, the russian president, has said and threatened to use nuclear weapons in ukraine. i mean, we are visiting -- i'm sorry to go on so long. i apologize. but we are visiting these

problems which are not just incidental, but they have to do with our democracy and in some way have to do with our survival. >> bob, when you and carl write a piece like you wrote on sunday, bob woodward and carl bernstein, the most famous double byline in journalism, people pay attention, i find it fascinating that the two of you, with your long experience, would write this. i don't know how many thousand words it was. this extraordinary piece once again sending up the alarm. my question is, is merrick garland listening? how is this battle royale within the justice department, that you told us about, going? which way is garland leaning?

what do you think -- are we, indeed, going to have a criminal investigation and perhaps prosecution at the highest levels of this conspiracy, that clearly took place? >> well, there is an investigation going on. the question is, what will be done? as we know, garland very respected appellate court judge here in washington, somebody very cautious. being a judge, as we know in appellate work, you can come up with many decisions. the decision to prosecute or not

is binary. you do or you don't. there's not middle ground. i don't have an answer to your excellent question. where is this going? i'm saying, this is one area where in coming months, maybe even coming years, we're going to have to figure. let me extend this, gene, if you will bear with me. the other person who has to worry about his legacy, not only biden and trump, indeed, but is mike pence. mike pence is writing a book, i understand. i'm not sure when it will be out or what it's going to say. but mike pence, his whole reputation has been defined by trump. is he for trump? is he against trump? he is riding both horses to a

certain extent, being much more severe. i dug out some of the things that costa and i had about what trump said to pence the day before january 6 and on january 6. i mean, this was really tough. trump says to pence, i don't want to be your friend anymore if you do this, are the words, if you follow the law and the constitution. you have betrayed us. i made you. you were nothing. your career is over if you don't do what i am telling you to do. then the next day, he says, i'm counting on you to do it my way. if you don't, i picked the wrong man four years ago. this is part of the overt acts in a conspiracy by the then

president of the united states, threatening his vice president in a way that, again, there was no ambiguity. >> yeah. you know, bob, you said something early in the interview, you talked about politics as violence. donald trump using politics as violence. that really is striking. if you look at january 6th, donald trump pushing people not to be weak on january 6th. rudy giuliani talking about combat justice. don junior saying to members of congress, we're coming for you. we can go back to 2015 and '16, donald trump talking about taking protesters out on stretchers, punching people in the face. we can talk about members of congress now, republican members of congress in recent years holding up ar-15s and saying --

let me get this quote write. saying, we need to go on the offensive while showing democratic members of congress, the squad, videos portraying a republican member of congress killing a democratic member of congress. through it all -- here we are. what did donald trump say after watching this? he said to the people there, he said that he loved the rioters, quote, you are very special. this politics as violence. how unique is this in american history? >> i think it's completely unique. i watch your show regularly, joe. i know what you have said about the republicans. and you are exactly right. at one point a month or two ago, you and i talked about this,

about false equivalency, that the democrats do the same thing. the democrats don't do the same thing. >> no way. >> it's not even close. at the same time, we've got to look at the democrats as journalists and deal with their behavior. where is merrick garland going to go with these decisions that in a way are going to define where this country goes? inciting of violence, the idea i'm going through now, nine hours of trump interviews i did, that were not published, we're going to put out an audio book of nine hours of trump that we have never heard before.

you see who this man is, what he cares about, the self-focus, the absence of being concerned about the people out there. this is while he was president in 2020. all this, it is an amazing portrait of a man. attorney general garland, biden -- biden, i believe, has been accurately quoted saying he thinks trump should be prosecuted. now, whether that's going to happen -- i mean, that is a giant decision. of course, in the case of nixon, the problem was solved by gerald ford, the vice president, who then became president who pardoned nixon. how do we get -- the question i think needs to be asked, how

does the country get out of this mess that's been created? because it is a mess. people are going to be mad about decisions that are being made. people are going to, i believe, read pence's book very carefully. where does he come down on this? is he going to make a declaration of independence of sort? is he going to be the loyal vice president? i remember interviewing trump in the oval office once and pence came in and pence stood there while trump and i talked for almost an hour, he just stood there. i will never forget the image of pence being in the oval office standing dutifully for almost an hour and saying absolutely nothing.

>> yeah. >> wow. >> you ask what will get us past this. i would hope at some point it would be republicans. but, of course, those hopes have been dashed time and time again. they just won't stand up. bob, you are so right. reporters have to report on democrats. they have to report on republicans. the problem here is, as you said, this is unprecedented. this politics is violence is unprecedented, what we saw on january 6 is unprecedented. we can't wait to hear those tapes, can't wait to hear more from you in the near future. "the washington post," bob woodward, thank you so much. it's always so great to have you on the show. the 50th anniversary edition of "all the president's men" is out. no official witness list has been released ahead of thursday's primetime hearing, we are learning who one of the key witnesses will be. we will tell you who it is next.

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no consequences. we can't wait. recall chesa boudin now. let's get to the new aggressive action taken by the justice department. the former leader of the proud boys right wing extremist group and four other members are facing conspiracy charges. the justice department says, enrique tarrio and four lieutenants were involved. he was not in d.c. on january 6. a judge ordered him to leave the district following an arrest in december. even though he wasn't at the capitol, the doj says he was responsible for coordinating the breach of the complex and was in

contact with members during the attack. it's a serious charge, similar to treason, that carries a sentence of up to 20 years in prison. prosecutors must show that two or more people, by force, attempted to overthrow the government or interfere with the execution of any law. legal analysts say it's hard to prove because defendants can argue they were exercising their first amendment right to protest. we will see if it is different in this case. the actions of the proud boys in the lead-up and during the insurrection are expected to be the key focus of the primetime hearing this week. after first being reported by "the new york times," nbc news confirmed that a documentary filmmaker, embedded within the far right group, will appear as a key witness in thursday's hearing.

footage shot the night before the attack shows a meeting in an underground parking garage just blocks away from the capitol between the proud boys leader and the oath keepers founder. this video is being used as government evidence in a case against one of the accused january 6 participants and was released at the request of nbc news. much of the other footage has not been released, including video reportedly which shows tarrio's immediate reaction to the storming of the capitol. let's bring in justice reporter for nbc news ryan reilly and white house bureau chief at politico and the host of "way too early" jonathan lemire. good to have you with us. >> ryan, what are we looking at? the footage looks damning. what else should we expect? >> he was embedded with the proud boys.

they followed this individual into this parking garage where the head of the oath keepers and the head of the proud boys were meeting on january 5th. this was the day that enrique tarrio was supposed to be leaving. his phone was taken. he didn't have a way to communicate at that point. it took the government a year to crack the code to his phone. this is before he leaves d.c. and he is headed to baltimore. he spent his time in baltimore during the actual capitol attack. this film crew in the proud boys has compelling footage from the front lines showing this attack. make sure the breach of the barricade on january 6 and how the proud boys were involved in that. what's interesting is, they follow them all the way throughout. the proud boys were under cover on january 6. they weren't wearing their typical uniforms. this is valuable in connecting

the dots between the pre-planning and what actually happened on january 6. they were with this group and following them around, even though they weren't wearing necessarily what you would expect the proud boys to wear when they go to rallies across the country. >> that's where i want to go back to you, ryan. if i were a member of a far right group, i probably wouldn't invite a documentary film crew along. yet, we do have this footage now. we have this filmmaker who will be part of the testimony -- hearings on thursday. what are some revelations? what's the committee hinting at in terms of the show, the compelling show they could deliver for the american people? >> it's interesting, roger stone had a documentary crew following him around that day as well. in this footage, the footage that has come out from this crew following around the proud boys, there's this moment -- a couple where the camera is told to go away. there's these key moments where something was happening that

they didn't want documented, necessarily. this was a longer relationship. this was someone who had been documenting them for a long time throughout a number of rallies around the country. it was someone that had an ongoing relationship with them. it wasn't as though he came in at the last minute and said, let's film what we are doing on january 6. i think that what's going to be interesting to look at from the perspective of this new video is really what it shows those connections between this longstanding plot involving these people who have been followed by the film crew and been shot many various capacities. it's remarkable in terms of identifying a lot of the suspects, even the ones we haven't seen charged by the justice department, mostly identified by online sleuths. they're doing that through facial recognition technology, by comparing images from old rallies to these new ones and

looking for particular items of clothing that were shared during different events. they have been able to make a lot of revelations about what this -- what happened on january 6 and will be able to -- i think this footage will be able to make a compelling case about what exactly happened and show the connection between trump's words and what actually happened on the ground that day. that's something we see in a lot of cases is this -- the defendants making the point that, they did what they did because they actually believed the election was stolen. to them, the logic follows. they think the election was stolen. so they did this. they went in and they attacked the capitol. that was the logical consequence of what they thought happened, which was they thought the election was stolen. i think making those connections clear between trump's words and the actions on january 6 will be what the focus of the january 6 committee is as the lawyerings approach. >> ryan reilly, thank you for coming on. coming up, will congress finally pass some sort of gun reform?

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in three, two, one. >> it is so good. since premiering two weeks ago, ""top gun: maverick" is shattering the box office and now they're hoping it will do what the original did, leading a surge in the applications to join the armed forces. joining us, edward thomas, commander of the air force recruiting center. thank you for being with us. if admiral stavridis was here, he would say he's a naval aviator. and so i have to put that out. what happened in 1986 when that movie became such a hit. what kind of a surge was there in the armed forces and what are you expecting this time around

with the movie such a hit. >> absolutely. i have to first say admiral staff -- stavridis was my boss. and back in the -- "top gun" got excited about naval aviation and doing military flying and joining the service and our hope is that as people go and see this movie, that they'll get excited all over again about flying for the u.s. military. >> we're up around $600 million already through two weekends for the movie. could push up toward a billion, commander. so i'm curious, when you watch movies like this, hollywood's take on the air force, on the navy and how they portray you all. what do you think as you sat down in the theater and saw this version, the modern "top gun".

>> well i have to tell you, the movie didn't disappoint. i was just out of high school and when i saw the first movie, this was every bit as good as the original top gun was. but in terms of what i think, you know, well hollywood is always going to take a little bit of a license to develop a story line, the realism and the scenes that we're watching right now on screen were absolutely tremendous. there is nothing pilots don't do in real life every day. >> now you know general thanks for being with us, it is so interesting, i'm from pensacola and i remember in '86 when this came out, of course, pensacola is -- as we always say, the cradle of aviation. it was like christmas every day and wherever you went, everybody was talking about this movie.

but it is interesting. it really is fascinating. sort of the post vietnam era hollywood's take on the military much darker. the anti-hero, sometimes the out and out villains in the military. when this came out in '86, it was a positive portrayal of the military, something that americans really wanted to see. we've seen that also in more recently and in some other movies. but talk about this positive betrayal of people involved in the military because there is cool special effects because of what they see on the screen and something we heard an awful lot after 9/11. >> yeah, absolutely. so i'll tell you, we've got essentially a math problem today with military recruiting and it goes to your question. but we have a much bigger country and a much smaller base

footprint. so there is a good chance that you're average american today doesn't really even know anybody or have any close personal relationships with the military. so it is in all likelihood that they the ideas that they get about what the military is all about is what they're going to see in hollywood or on television, so it makes that much more important for us to work with hollywood and work with movies like "top gun", could create a perspective of what we do every day. >> yeah. and you know, jonathan lemire, i talked about the post vietnam era. moves like "dear hunter" and oaths that looked at vietnam, apocalypse now, and you go back to world war 2, and hollywood went to war for the united states. and a lot of really positive films about the military and the

service we're recently again seeing things like "band of brothers", and "top gun" mirrors that. >> and after vietnam and some about the conflict in iraq and afghanistan. this does feel like a throwback to a previous era. general, my question for you, shifting from the silver screen to real life, you mentioned the idea of recruitment, of wanting more people to be involved in the military. do you see, when the war began in europe, and obviously the united states not playing an active role but we're helping ukraine fight back against russia, but for the first time in a long time, newscasts and shows like this are full of scenes from a battlefield from a war. have you seen a corresponding rise in interest, seeing what ukraine is doing with our help such a noble cause and i want to do something similar here in the united states? >> we haven't yet. i think it is still too early to make a lot of sense of the data

so far. but i think it does is reaffirm to the american people and those to join the military. that national security is still a real thing. that unfortunately men have not beaten their store news cloud shares and we need a strong military to defend the nation. >> air force major general edward thomas, we're so grateful for what you do and all of those men and women you're talking about do for our country. whether it is because of "top gun" or not, thank you for your service. and coming up in our fourth hour of "morning joe," the latest on the push for gun reform as the potential for a deal in the senate takes shape. we also will play for you an absolutely heartbreaking account of a teacher who survived that deadly scoot shooting in uvalde, texas. and also the races to watch on this primary day. steve kornacki is breaking down

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