>> johnny cash's admission in that song was never used in any of the seven times he was arrested and it goes to a racist double standard. now online we can discuss this further. i'm @arimelber and do you think fiction, art and lyrics should be used as criminal evidence? do you think it's fair evidence or not? we can continue the discussion @arimelber. that's it for "the beat. the "the reidout" starts right now. hi, joy. >> i shot the sheriff, the bob marley version is the only one. >> i agree. >> good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" with a choice between facing the truth or looking the other way. on thursday night abc, cbs, msnbc, nbc, cnn all will be covering the first primetime public hearings of the select committee to investigate the january 6th attack on the united

states capitol. that means pretty much every cable news channel and three major broadcast networks will be providing wall-to-wall coverage, everyone except fox news which will stick with its regularly scheduled programming of tucker carlson, sean hannity and laura ingraham rick they are demoting their coverage to the much watched business channel. the primetime hosts will cover the events as news warrants. the network's decision might help avoid some awkwardness more thanity an ingraham who were actively communicating with mark meadow, trump's chief of staff on that slept day. in the 17 months since the insurrection, fox news, particularly the knocks in primetime, has spent hours undermining the severity of the attack on the capitol and more hours painting the investigation of it as a partisan witch hunt against the former president despite there being two republicans on the committee including vice chair liz cheney. according to philip bump of "the

washington post" the reap for not letting fox viewers see the truth for themself is simply because playing any of the january 6th hearing would undermine the narrative. a group of reference for the centers for open science recently published a study shock how fox news viewers are influenced by their coverage and when they are forced to watch a different network they walk away with a broader sense of knowledge and makes them less likely to agree with what fox is saying, so i started thinking about that today in the context of stained glass windows and the church in medieval times. stay with me for a second. do you know what churches have stained glass windows? those windows were the primary way for the church to spread their message about god to the poor. it was the only way they could communicate a very specific vision to a large swath of the largely illiterate masses. the pictures literally tell the stories. the church went further in enforcing their preferred narrative. they banned translated versions of the bible because they wanted to control and restrict the teachings in order to enhance

their own power and importance, but it was the priests, they were the ones who interpreted the biblical text. even after the injection of the printed press, it was uncommon for european christians to read the bible for themselves. sometimes doing so or translating it was literally actually could get you in trouble. just leave the reading and the interpreting to the church hierarchy, thanks. that is basically what fox news is doing. they are saying leave it to rupert's fox to tell what you happened and what you should think about it. they have got this. you don't need to watch it for yourself, and so fox news viewers will not hear from a british filmmaker who recorded members of the far right proud boys extremist group days ahead of and on the day they stormed the capitol. what he saw left him shaken and fearful for the future of the united states. fox news viewers will not hear from caroline edwards, a u.s. capitol police officer who had her skull cracked from the

insurrectionist and they will not hear how trump prompted the secret service to led him march to the capitol. fox news does have an appetite for investigationsing right? fox ran more than 1,000 segments on the terrorist attacks in benghazi, libya, all culminating in the 11-hour testimony of hillary clinton before a house select committee. we also know that fox news will play a central role in the counternarrative message from republicans. according to axios fox news will holt of trump surrogates because republicans are looking for networks and social media platforms they feel are more favorable to their cause, and can you surely count on fox news returning to rolling primetime coverage of congressional hearings of pressing matters like hunter biden and the 2020 election which, of course, republicans have already made clear they will launch if they win the house and/or senate in know. joining me now is paul butler, professor at georgetown law

school and former federal prosecutor and kurt bardella adviser for the dd dnc. paul, you as a former prosecutor, part of the idea is to tell a story and to get the jury to understand a narrative. so what will it mean for viewers to not see the story, right, not get the evidence, in court you actually have to present the evidence and you as the prosecutor tell a story around that evidence. what fox will have is just their story, not the evidence. >> so, joy, the republicans are counting on january 6th fatigue. fox news wants the american people to ignore the fact that this week members of the proud boys have been charged with sedition meaning prosecutors believe that they plotted to use force and violence to keep trump in office, even though they knew he lost the election. they are trying to divert attention from the federal

judge's opinion that found probable cause that trump himself committed crimes. the big question is whether republicans can persuade merrick garland that it's time to move on because he's the person who will make the final decision about prosecuting high-level trump officials for crimes. >> you know, it's interesting. they are also -- they are avoiding having to explain why two of their hosts were actually talking to mark meadows at the time, particularly sean hannity exchanging lots of messages so they won't have to explain that because they are just not going to do it, but then the other thing is they don't have to explain why the proud boys now control the miami-dade republican party, why they are now, you know, running for office, that they are now actually part of the republican party and they won't have to show this. nick queston, you remember his lovely british accident. he was actually walk around with the proud boys. there they are in the garage in hall of the state's parking garage which is very familiar to

those of us in d.c. he's meeting with individuals. if you can see what he's doing there, he's standing there with stewart rhodes also charged with seditious conspiracy and others. if you want to talk about a conspiracy rick they are there together. they are not going have to explain that or the violent video that followed the following day. >> you know, joy, january 6th is -- go a hate, kurt. >> january 6th -- if january 6th is the such a nothing burger as republican propaganda news outlets like fox news would have us believe why are they going to such extraordinary length. to hide the proceedings? if it's such an illegitimate showing as they are going to be telling all of their audience that it is, why not tear and let it speak for itself. something so preposterous and illegitimate, certainly their viewers are informed and intelligent enough to reach that conclusion independently after watching the proceedings. fox is hiding it from their viewers. the republican party is hiding

it from their audience because they know that the presentation that is going to be put forward by this bipartisan committee that features two republicans, one of whom has the last name cheney, pretty big republican bona fides there, they know that this is going to be completely devastating, that all of the straw men that they have put up, and false narratives and false flags they have tried to advance will come crumbling down and it will be not by democrat words, not by partisan words but through words and testimony of republicans, of fox news hosts, their text messages and e-mails and depositions. it will all be on full display and it will be irrefutable. >> go ahead, paul. >> so, joy, while fox is giving short shrift to the largest federal criminal investigation in u.s. history, we have to note how they love sensational crime coverage of black and brown people. they went all in when the obscure actor jussie smollett was charged with low-level crimes in illinois, but they are

ignoring again this most important house panel report probably since watergate, probably the most important in all time, and i think what they are waiting for is they will hope that the house will be won by the republicans and the mid-term elections and then we can expect republicans to send out subpoenas to hunter biden and dr. anthony fauci. again, that will devolve from the most consequential investigation in the history of the house to pure partisan politics. >> right. i mean, kurt, even if you don't have any emotional connection to the idea of our capitol being sacked by people who defecated in it and hurt police officers and bludgeoned police officers and five people died as a result of it. if this is actually a news

channel, news network, fox, this is the biggest news story in all of our lifetime. we've never had a president attempt to overturn an election, violently overturn it. we've never had a broad seditious conspiracy where there's actual charges that have since 1814, we haven't had our capitol sacked and never by a domestic terrorist group. this is new. we've also never had a president sanction the lynching of his own have. this is the "new york times" reporting. mark meadow on january 6th, mark meadows walked into his own office after meeting with the president and told completion that trump was upset that mike pence was being whisked away to safe areas and mr. trump apparently said maybe mr. pence should be hanged. this is the most news story and troubling and disturbing news story ever. to not cover it seems negligent but there are studies that show that if even fox viewers as read

in and in the bubble as they are when they watch non-fox coverage, when they are made to sit down and watch other coverage, they do develop a broader view. >> well, this is why, joy, and i just wrote this in a column that was just published at the "l.a. times," i think it's time that we reach the point where we stop treating fox like a news outlet at all because it's clearly not. they are making the conscious decision to commit journalistic malpractice by ignoring the biggest story right now, the biggest story perhaps in our -- in our entire country's history actually when you look at where this is all going. this is a major pivotal inflection point in the fight to salvage democracy and they are choosing not to cover it. that's not the action of a responsible news outlet. not the action of a journalist or reporter. that's the action of a propaganda vehicle for a political party that's determined to play a substantial role in undermining democracy as we know it. why these people are allowed to have a white house press briefing access, why they are

allowed to have a press credential to cover the u.s. capitol, i have no idea. i know this. if al qaeda created a media outlet, we wouldn't give them a hard pass to cover our government. why in the world would we allow the people who are egging on, fomenting and defending insurrectionists to have that type of access? they shouldn't. >> here's the thing. it's a metastasizing scandal and story, paul. you now have evidence, new e-mails, e-mails, that show that a trump election employee actually was telling georgia republicans to hide their efforts to put forth fake electors, to put up fake electors and essentially ensure the end result they wanted, a win for georgia for trump. they said it will be hampered unless we have complete secrecy, so you had a fake elector scheme in multiple states. they were attempting to literally substitute the votes of tens of millions of people for their own decision that trump should win. just as a legal matter it's horrific. it's hard to ignore that as --

as a journalistic matter as well. >>. the trump campaign wanted to ignore the actual voters and install fake electors in seven swing states who would vote for trump even though he lost, and remember in georgia, biden's win had already been certified and reconfirmed after a recount and after court cases can, so secrecy, when this guy tells these fake electors, keep it on the down low, don't tell anybody. secrecy prompts the question for prosecutors what are you trying to hide? who are you covering up for? >> and to end here with you, kurt, i mean, republicans also benefit from being able to survive bat faith arguments. you know, msnbc, cnn covered the benghazi hearings because five, you know, people legitimately died, members of the diplomatic corps. it was hillary clinton sat for 11 hours, took seriously hearings that republicans called a pre-impeachment in case she

ever became president. they were going to pre-impeach her, literally kevin mccarthy admitted it was purely political in order to stop her from president, yet they know if they were to be in a position to have those gavels that democrats aren't going to just ignore the subpoenas and say i'm going to invent some executive privilege and do the things that they do, and i'm wondering if they are overly benefiting from the kind of bad faith that's allowed, including i have to say the way they are covering it in the media. >> well, this is the thing, and i remember back in the day when steve bannon would refer to this as the achilles' heel of the democratic party and really the achilles' heel of the media ecosystem, that the republicans could manipulate the media, because they know that by being bad faith actors, they will ultimately be rewarded. >> yeah. >> that the media cannot help themselves view this as a conflict between two sides of the same coin presented in equal weight with equal value when you and i both know that's not the

case at all. the extreme of the right and the progressive left are not two side of the same coin. one is trying to destroy democracy. that's the end. story and end of the conversation and republicans continually get away with it because the media let's them. >> i have to say that i think that this could be a turning point, you know, as this is truly exposed as we're told by james raskin and others as a conspiracy that went all the way to the president of the united states and the republican party including elected officials to literally turn our democracy upside down and destroy it. hopefully that bad faith will no longer be allowed. thank you both. appreciate you. powerful words at the white house about the uvalde victims from a native son, actor matthew mcconaughey. >> wore green high top converse with a heart she had hand drawn on the right toe because they represented her love of nature, camila's got these shoes. can you show these shoes,

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some of the items that the president laid out during his primetime address on gun violence last week. republicans by and large have come out against almost everything the president asked for. yesterday the lead negotiator for senate republicans john corn anyone of texas tweeted that making gun laws more restrictive wasn't going to happen and he doesn't even want expanded background cheques, something 90% of americans and most gun owners support. some states are stepping up to do what congress is failing to accomplish, however. yesterday new york's democratic governor kathy hochul signed legislation that not only raises the age to buy semiautomatic rifles from 18 to 21 but also bans most civilians from pruchg bullet resistant body vests and revises the state's red flag laws. some red states want to ignore the gun problem all together. republican governor ron desantis of florida and brian kemp of georgia are implementing new school safety plans that somehow do not mention guns at all. with me is pamela pritchett who lost her mom pearl young in the

buffalo shooting and ben crump, attorneys of both victims families. what do you seem to know about those that seem to be on the family and this is from my producers that it seems to me on the table we have red flag laws, limited background check reforms, school security funding and mental health measures but off the table appear to be assault weapons bans, universal background cheques, limiting high capacity magazines and raise the age to purchases a semiautomatic rifle. both are things that seem to impact the most. what do you think about what's off the table? >> let me say this, joy. i'm coming on here to say that for me i want to speak to the american people, not america, but the american people, because

the poem who were killed in the topps massacre were the best of american people. i think that the senate needs to begin to see us in humanity and not just see along their own bipartisan lines because that -- the buffalo ten, these were educators. these were -- you know, joy, it's like this. you would want to tell your daughter or your son grow up to be like this person rick my issue is that we have a congress that does not see humanity. they want -- they see lobbies, what they consider facts, but they do not see the humanity in people, and to me if they don't see the humanity in people, then we're going have difficulty moving forward, and i think that's where i stand, and i --

>> go ahead. >> no, no, please continue. i didn't want to interrupt you. >> show that's where i stand, you know, and one of my favorite quotes is from maya angelou where she says that of the human family, we are more alike, my friends, than we appear to be unalike. i believe that. i believe than your average everyday american thinks very similarly to the way i think. i believe that they want common sense gun laws. i believe they want things where you don't have to experience what i had to experience rick i have said this story land continue to say it, joy, because it actually gives me some level of therapeutic healing, but when you have to be called by the funeral director because a person so full of hate and using a weapon so destructive that the

funeral director calls me, i'm the only daughter and says you need to bring a hat for your mom's head because of what this person did, i need congress to feel that level of pain and heartache, to experience touching your mother's hair and it's brittle because the blood, no matter how much the funeral director tried to do the best that he could, he couldn't do anything. he could only do what he could do. i have often said i wish that i had the courage of an emmett till's momt mom. i think that's what we need. we need people to really see and to feel and to understand that this is beyond laws and -- and lobbyists. this is about people's lives rick this is about the humanity of our nation. this is about the fact that we

are better than this, and i believe most americans are better than this and that we need to tell our representatives that you represent us, and we're better and you need to do the right thing by us, and i'm going to say this one thing. i said two things today. every tear i cry is going to be fuel for my action. when i cry at night, i'm not just crying and ending it there. i'm crying and i'm telling you if i have to start in western new york where i live and go throughout other parts of the communities, until they make -- until the senate makes decisions that they should make, then i'm encouraging every person that has become a part of the family that i'm a part of, i never imagined. >> right. >> out of 335 million people that i would be a part of a family of those that are grieving from a mass concerns

and i want to encourage everyone who has been there, you know, let's pick up the mantel again. let's not just have memorials but let's pick up the mantel and h.o.p.e. hold them accountable for their actions. >> ben, you know, as somebody -- amen to that. ben, as somebody works you know, unfortunately, you've spent a lot of time with families who are in this type of grieving, but it kind of hits different. it's not a random encounter. it's about someone who literally decided to massacre people based on the color of their skin or are another one who walked into the school in uvalde. what about those the ar-15s, we need access to them, even if they are 18 or 19. >> what pamela described. it's far past time to put people

over politics. when you think about it, joy reid, this hearing, and i can say this was about white supremacy rick this was about a man, not a boy works wrote a 330-page manifesto on why he was doing and the experts talked about we've go to get to the root of the problem. we are rewarding many people in -- many people in our society are rewarding this race replacement they're, and until we have serious conversation about not rewarding that, it's going to continue to happen and the previous administration stopped the mandate for the justice department to investigate and report on white supremacy and we have to have that passed. the senate must vote, at least vote. >> pamela pritchett, you preached a sermon and i thank you for being here and being

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more than 100 days into putin is's unprovoked assault on ukraine, russia is absolutely bombarding a key city in russia's effort to take over the entire eastern region of the donbas, and putin is not solei focusing on the east with russia launching air strikes on kyiv over weekend claiming they were targeting tanks sent from abroad, but a plant that was struck is where freight cars that carry grain were prepared this. comes as the world is in a food crisis because russian warships are blocking ports preventing ukraine, one of the world's largest bread baskets from exporting its grain. yesterday secretary of state tony blinken confirmed reports that russia is stealing grain to sell for its own profit. the russian abd to the u.n. walked out of a security council meeting yesterday after the eu president accused russia of selling food supplies as a

stealth missile against developing countries. today russia said two ports in the azov sea were ready to resume those grain shipments but only if ukraine de-mines its coast. joining me now is retired army major john spencer, chair of urban warfare studies with the madison policy forum so the use of food and grain as a war weapon, just to look at the increase in food prices that's already resulting from this. sugar is up 21%, meat, dairy, cereals, oils, et cetera, the food price index is up 58.5%, especially hurting developing countries. talk a little bit about that because russia per the associated press with ukraine, the two of them produce almost a third of the world's wheat and barley and half of the sunflower oil. so this is a true, true crisis. >> yes, joy. it's not becoming a crisis. it is a global crisis as we talk. i mean, there's over 20 million tons of grain sitting in the ukranian silos and ports ready

to go out now. this will be felt globally. i mean, it has the potential of killing hundreds of thousands in places like somalia and ethiopia that rely on this grain, but as you just noted, this will impact the entire world, this is why putin -- this isn't about ukraine. putin is a global terrorist. he's using the world's food as a weapon. >> and stealing the grain that, you know, where the money rightfully belongs to the ukranian people. as this thing drags on, i mean, not only the theft but the violence. we're reporting today that more than a thousand ukranians, the prisoners from mariupol, one of the most besieged cities in the world right now or in europe at the least have been sent to russia for investigation. zelenskyy, president selectiony is warning that this winter will be extremely difficult. you have the possibility of everything, inability to sell gas, inability to feed themselves. what's going to happen as this

thing just drags on and on? >> it literally is genocide and we know from photo bz and just like you said the thousands of people that have been removed out of are uke yap an put into russian homes. there's not been a greater global threat to the world since hitler and as much as what putin is doing in the ukraine is very similar to the nazis. this is only going to get worse and this is why we have to continue our support as a have i large scale. i don't know why russia is on the u.n. security global. they are the biggest threat to security since world war ii. >> or why the newly elected president of france macron is saying don't humiliate putin. why not? >> absolutely. this isn't a normal dispute.

this is total war and using war crimes as a recommend of war. this isn't coming to the political table and negotiate rpgt terms. insure need to top at any time. he did it has no military purposes. putin unchecked leads to a global impact, and that's what we're teeing. >> there's a lot we can do about it. there is a lot. we can have continue for the ukranians to fights. the large range rockets, ending the ports. i think this could be a coalition of nations saying, look, this is not -- this is about the world's food supply

hand that can stop with the coalition of u.n. wems, not necessarily, but we're going to open that port up for that food and the steal of the korean. these are photos of russian takes taking -- that's like blood drain. it's horrible. >> it is, and hopefully the world will figure out putin back john. major john spencer, really appreciate you become here. republicans go all in in ant effort to drum up votes. stay with us. stay with us

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crediting wark for the idea. >> herschel walker decided, you know what, we're going to do the free gas community. i want you to know that i'm care, coming with gas vouchers for everyone. >> with me now is jason johnson host of the slate podcast. you know that. you saw the little click. last time i heard it would be illegal to hand out water in the state of georgia, you know, when it comes to elections, offer food or water waiting in line you risk misdemeanor charges and there's a story in "the atlanta journal constitution" about a state representative who send an investigator to an atlanta precinct in 2020 with a firearm on hip and demanded all food and water be removed and yet herschel walker can hand out gas cards. what's happening? >> you know, yeah. capri suns when you want to vote that's a violation but trying to buy you off with gas cards, they

had a capital offense. this is what galls me about this. i contacted a colleague who is an activist and organize down there and said quite candidly this is what shows you the people who are running herschel walker's campaign have no real connection to the black community. we'll happily take your $25 gas card and vote against you. i don't know why anyone thinks other than abject racism that back people could be so easily bought. barack obama had a whole stimulus package. joe biden put shots in arm and put money in the bank but doesn't mean that white people will vote for him. >> it also shows they are not trying to win black voters over, i don't know, ideas. they are not saying here's a better plan for your life rick they are just saying take this money, you're going to vote for herben. it is sort of an interesting thing, but it isn't just black people i'm looking at all these stories that my wonderful producers put together. the stories in "the american

prospect of" of rnc's opening community centers, trying to go after the indian population in north carolina, going after asian americans, trying to court non-white voters and pursuing indigenous voters and doing all of these things to try to get into the community, but they are not actually speaking about the community as if they have humanity. they still talk trash about these communities but they go in with what's in the community centers? you have to have and joy you know this, you've organizing campaigning. you have to have value doubtors. i don't care if you put in the had a giant chick-fil-a with a balloon room and free cars and everything like that and raffles if you don't have community validators, nobody believes it, and what's important about this. this is always key. everyone says oh, my gosh they will put community centers in downtown leave land.

well, if democrats are doing such a bad job it's their fault if someone with be bought with a big mac and a sandwich. >> you know, latino men are much more likely to move towards voting for the republican party than african american men but i swear the moment ice cube says something oh, my god. democrats are going to vote republican. >> we have other stuff to talk about. any predicks on what goes on in l.a.? well, soap dog likes this eye and -- >> i don't mean to insult any writers at the plims, go to other places than the plaz, a. go it black yoga studies.

if it's inu, you've got caruso who is basically a republican five years ago who spent $43 million to karen bass' e6 million and is still going to lose 6%. getting organized on theis way e money. >> i love -- would -- i think it's important. i'm going to leave it there. we have more of this coming up. we are going to talk about this overtly, weirdly, creeping, racist reaction to a new star wars character and what it says about the current state of a genre known for pushing the boundaries of social issues. we will be back in a second. will be back in a second. (music) who said you have to starve yourself to lose weight? who said you can't do dinner? who said only this is good?

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black people, you have to talk to someone other than at the moore plaza. you can go to black yoga studios in the city. if it's an issue of black endorsement, you have got magic johnson, donald glover, tracey ellis ross, endorsing karen bass. you have caruso who is basically a republican, until five minutes ago, we spent $43 million to karen bass's $3 million. he still is going to lose by 6%. this is why tells people that getting organized on the ground is more important than the money that you spent. >> i love snoop. so, listen -- when i listen -- i mean, i think it's important that he is voting. i am's excited that he is involved in politics. i'm going to leave it there. jason will stick around. we have more to talk about this overtly, weirdly, creepy racist reaction to a new star wars character. and what it says about the current state of a genre known for pushing the boundaries on social issues. we are back in a second. we are back in a second.

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travel and extraterrestrial life, there is something inherently forward thinking about sci-fi. it is indeed one of the most political genres, from star trek, depicting one of the first interracial cases on television, to literally any octavia butler book to star wars, a space allegory for imperialism. but a subset of star wars fans never got the memo as racism ripples through the galaxy over moses ingram, who plays an inquisitor on the new series obi-wan kenobi. abram revealed on instagram

that he has received hundreds of racist messages, including degrading racist insults, threats and slurs. jason johnson is back with me. i know a secret that you are going to be at comic-con. i am super duper jealous. king of the black nerds! jason johnson. >> yes, yes. >> so -- go ahead. go ahead. >> as part of my credibility, i have to point out, that she is actually not a sit, because of the rule of two and that is my nerd rule. here is the thing. it is what i do, it's what i do. here is the thing, joy. the racism is so ridiculous. i was so excited for the segment to point this out. behind me, with all my fun co-pops, i've got all the black women, from spider-man to star wars, to ghost busters, to batman. all these african american women. our friend, event nicole brown, she was the host for the star wars celebration last weekend in anaheim. so, anybody who has a fundamental problem with black women being in science fiction, they ain't really reading

science fiction. they are just bigots who would be unhappy with anything. it's like going to it wnba game and saying, why are all these women playing basketball? are they not paying attention? that is in their. >> it's great. because you go all the way back. star trek was so forward leaning on race and trying to have a queue menaces in terms of raising all the different races and species on that star trek enterprise. we are going to give next generation their share. but i am an original captain kirk van, og. the twilight zone, it was super forward leaning in terms of social issues. like, this genre, sci-fi, it is the genre that is the most woke, to use a term that the right has turned into a bad word. >> that's the thing, joy. they want to call it woke, because they want to try and change what will happen. remember, we had who are taking calls. we now have her being written on changing world. black caribbean women and black women have been a key part of

science fiction from the beginning. what's happened, joy, is that people who are not fans of the genres, they simply guam onto them. we see this happen with rotten tomatoes. you have a bunch of bigots come in and knock down any movie that has an african american star. they want to lock black people and brown people and asian people out of these areas. because for them it is the last place that they can hold on to all of their whiteness. it is not true. there have been black people from the beginning of science fiction and you are not going to be able to keep us out. >> and women to. remember, doctor who is a woman. you are thinking they should bring the genre to the ground. it is like any change in trying to update the stories. even if it is not in science fiction. god forbid, 007. it is this sort of holding on, as you said. the fictionalized worlds, they can be anything. and santa causes black. just, sorry. this is -- >> right, santa claus is black. and if you can say to me that 100 years ago that a white man a more gray stowe would teach black people