on the left side of you're screen, in the middle of the debate on floor action on changing gun laws since that horrific shooting in uvalde, texas. it is probably going nowhere in the senate even as victims of the shooting came on the hill demanding change to stop the next massacre. one member of the house, congressman, ayanna pressley will be joining us now. happening right now, the first court appearance for the man arrested overnight in a plot to kill supreme court justice brett kavanaugh, the charges he may be facing and why he called 911 on himself. and the debut of new nbc news exclusive reporting. the new plan on what the white house is expecting to do with

migrants crossing the border. and why some are calling it the abbott plan. i'm hallie jackson in washington along with our team, ali vitali is on capitol hill, we'll get to what i think you can only call the gut punch of a hearing that happened this morning on the house side. right now you have this debate on changing gun laws. it seems likely these bills will pass the house. then it seems likely these bills will hit a brick wall in the senate. that's why the focus is on the private negotiations on the senate side. where are those negotiations, especially on this idea of raising the minimum wage for semiautomatic weapons to 21, which mitch mcconnell is privately, though not publically suggesting he's open to. >> mitch mcconnell is someone

we've been tracking closely throughout this process. he both blessed the negotiations, deputizing senator john cornyn to be the republican representative in the room alongside thom tillis and this group of four senators trying to hash out some of the details of what's possible here. yes, it's potential for raising that age limit from 18 to 21 to buy a semiautomatic rifle. that seemed like it was in the ether here yesterday. though in our team's conversations with senators as they were huddling today, it seems like that's fallen out of what's plausible, even though we're hearing from our sources that someone like mcconnell is privately supportive of a move like that. that's one of the things that the house will vote on today. yes, you mentioned they're debating that now. they have about two hours of debate ahead of them, then they're likely to pass that package of gun laws. among the things that will be passed today is raising the age limit from 18 to 21 to buy a semiautomatic weapon and outlaws large capacity magazines and

bump stocks and clamping down on ghost guns, ensuring that firearms are all traceable. these are things that democratic aides have said in the past that they consider low-hanging fruit. but i think the way you teed this up is so smart. the reality here on the hill is even if house democrats think this package of legislation is low-hanging, it doesn't mean it's something that can pass the senate. so that's why we're watching those negotiations so closely. >> there had been this question that a lot of people were asking, not necessarily inside the beltway, but i think outside of it about this just heartbreaking testimony that we heard this morning, that we heard today from some of the families of the victims in uvalde and buffalo from that survivor, that little fourth grader talking about what she had to do to stay alive. the question people were asking, could this make a difference? could this be a watershed movement? could this help move the needle? i think that's a question we

can't answer. we don't know whether it will. let's play some of what we heard. we'll let this breathe a little bit. the mom of fourth grader talking about the last time she saw her daughter. >> we told her we loved her and we would pick her up after school. i can still see her walking with us past the exit. she turns her head and smiles back at us to acknowledge my promise. then we left. i left my daughter at that school. that decision will haunt me for the rest of my life. somewhere out there, there's a mom listening to our testimony thinking i can't even imagine their pain, not knowing that our reality will one day be her's unless we act now. >> there's not much you can say after testimony like that. there's not much you can add.

not many words that encapsulate what it's like to hear that from this mom whose little girl is dead. that's just one of the incredibly gut-wrenching pieces of testimony that we've heard. >> yeah. i think when you say that that's just one of the pieces of testimony, it speaks to the tenor of the hearing that we saw today in the house. the anguish from people who had their lives completely upended by gun violence, even in the past few weeks. while that family was talking about the loss that they just sustained, there was another mother talking about the road to recovery that her son is on now because of the way that he was impacted by the buffalo shooting. so, i'll let you hear a little bit of that, which is equally as gut wrenching. listen. >> my son has a hole in the right side of his neck, two on his back and another on his left leg caused by an exploding

bullet from an ar-15. if after hearing from me and the other people testifying here today does not move you to act on gun laws, i invite you to my home to help me clean his wounds so that you may see up close the damage that has been caused to my son. >> so there you hear he talking about the physical toll that these bullets can take. it's something we also heard at another point in that hearing from another witness. the only pediatrician who is in the city of uvalde who treated these little bodies after they came in riddled with bullets. the description of what he saw was sickening. those are the kinds of moments we're having in hearings as lawmakers try to keep the focus on this so front and center, trying not to lose the momentum for change as it seems like everyone here says that now is the time for action, even as this is a building that has seen moments like this happen before, and then have no legislative action taken. the real onus on lawmakers right

now is to try to make this moment different. >> ali vitali, thank you. we go live to uvalde, texas. before i get to this doj review of what happened in uvalde, which is part of a piece of the larger whole as we talk about this story, can you give us insight, as you're on the ground there, about what it means to people in that town that they're again in the spotlight in such a devastating way, with people from their town, the town's only pediatrician, the parents of lexie rubrubio, the fourth grad survivor. what does it mean to them and how are people you're talking to dealing with that today? >> the people here know this is happening in washington, but it's very difficult for them to watch these testimonies because every time they watch them, every time they listen to the details, they're experiencing great pain. they've been dealing with this for two weeks. after the testimony, i spoke

with the mother of the young girl that matthew mcconaughey made reference to because of the green shoes that they used to identify her. the mother told me it's very difficult to talk to the media. it's difficult to watch things on television because every time she does, she's thinking about the pain she has, but she did add that the talk in washington, having matthew mcconaughey involved and all of this attention, she thinks it will help create some change. it's painful while the whole country is learning the details, for the people here, it's almost too painful to watch. >> there's also what we learned today. the attorney general talking about transparently as part of this justice department review that's being conducted. i want to play a bit of what we heard from merrick garland announcing this look into and details about this look from the feds into what happened and the response in uvalde, a response that has infuriated people in the town you're standing in now. >> nothing that these folks can

do can undo the terrible tragedy that occurred. and that we are just heart broken about. but we can assess what happened and we can make recommendations for the future. >> the attorney general also talking about transparency, even as there are questions now and the uvalde mayor is making a statement here about what we know about the response to the shooting from police. >> he issued a statement responding to this announcement. yesterday he told us he expected this announcement to happen. that statement today saying that the city will cooperate with the department of justice and they believe it will be fair and transparent. i should also add that the mayor told us that the current investigation taking place here by state authorities, he tried to get more details on that. we've been waiting for an official briefing. it's been more than a week. he tried to get information, and he told the media that he was

told to stay out of it because he's not law enforcement. >> mike, you are traveling with the president as he's getting ready to head out to l.a. for a separate summit, if you will, unrelated to what we are talking about here, which is this push for gun reform in washington. that said, he's been looped in on the talks. he's not at the forefront of them, mike. >> no, that's right. that's the position we've seen the white house explain by they want to give this all the space to succeed. and the president is going to lend his voice politically whenever he can. he saw that with his prime time almost speech last week to the country. we saw that with the white house decision to bring matthew mcconaughey to the briefing room for what turned out to be a powerful statement, really calling on congress to take action here. but i thought it was also interesting that we did hear from the president this morning, before he left washington. he went out of his way at

andrews air force base to come over and talk to reporters about gun violence and crime in general. let's listen to part of what the president had to say. >> it's time they move. it's time the states and the localities spend the money they have to deal with crime as well as retrain police officers. as well as provide for more community policing. it's time they get on with doing that. >> what's interesting is this was really a dual message. one, calling on congress to act on gun safety messages. but it was also, you heard him talk about funding for police. he's about to fly, about to land here in los angeles where there was a mayoral election where crime was front and center. a former republican leads in the polling here, in the tally who called for increasing the size

of the lapd. just up the road in san francisco we saw voters recall the district attorney, who was accused of being too lenient on penalizing criminal acts, being too soft on crime. that is part of also what the president is balancing here as he reminds people that it's the priority of his administration to fund law enforcement, to increase the availability for police to be retained and hired. >> you mentioned snapshot of what americans think and where americans stand. then a poll shows 3 of 4 americans, including the majority of republicans, support raising the minimum age to legally purchase certain firearms. we'll talk more about that a bit later on in the show. my sincere thanks to all of you for being with us. later this hour, we'll talk with ayanna pressley who was in today's hearing. first, we want to get to developing news. any minute in a suburban d.c. federal court in maryland, a

california man is about to make his first appearance where he's being charged with one count of attempt to murder chief justice brett kavanaugh. we heard from attorney general merrick garland, not just what we were talking about before, which is the investigation into the uvalde response, but also this issue, protecting supreme court justices. watch. >> this kind of behalf your iio tolerate. threats against the justices strike at the heart of our democracy and we will do everything we can to prevent them and to hold people who do them accountable. >> pete williams is following this for us. bring us up to speed on what we know about the suspect, this case and this courtroom appearance. i don't know if it just started or if it's about to start. >> right. it's his first appearance in federal court on these charges. his name is nicholas john roske.

he's a 26-year-old from simi valley, california. investigators say this happened about 1:00 this morning. justice kavanaugh lives in suburban maryland, across the border from washington, d.c. according to court documents, a man all dressed in black with a backpack and a suitcase got out of a taxicab in front of the justice's house, then walked about a block away and called 911 to say that he had come from california to kill the justice. while he was still on the phone with the police, according to the court documents, police officers from montgomery county, maryland arrived and took him into custody and they found in his backpack and suitcase, a handgun, ammunition, a knife, pepper spray and what they call burglary tools. she's been questioned twice, according to court documents. once by the police, and according to that interrogation he told them he was upset about the potential supreme court

decision involving abortion. he was concerned that the supreme court might interpret the second amendment in some pending cases that would loosen gun control. so he came to california to kill the justice and he told the fbi that he wanted to kill justice kavanaugh and then himself. so he's been charged with the attempted murder of a federal official. that carries a 20-year maximum sentence. as you say, he's facing these charges now in federal court in maryland. >> pete, you covered the court for a long time. has there been an incident like this that you can recall involving a justice? >> the last one i can think of was in 1985 involving justice harry blackmon who wrote the roe v. wade decision. he was in his apartment in alexandria, virginia with his wife. someone fired a shot into the apartment. they never figured out who did it. that's the only thing i can

figure out that is similar to this. >> pete williams, thanks. we'll look for any updates from that court appearance. we have other breaking news just coming in. the date now set for former president trump as well as his children, don jr. and ivanka to testify in the civil investigation being led by the new york attorney general. we'll have more on when that is going to happen and what it means coming up. plus, the prebuttal from house republicans ahead of the january 6th hearing. and we're live from the border with brand-new exmru sieve reporting where the biden administration is expected to send migrants inside the u.s. to help with overcrowding at the border. ge? no, he's seizing the moment with merrill. moving his money into his investment account in real time and that's... how you collect coins. your money never stops working for you with merrill, a bank of america company.

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there is finally a date that's been set for when they are to appear in court. it's july 15th. tom is here. we know the trumps have looked to take legal action to avoid this moment for months. >> that's correct. as a matter of fact, this legal battle goes back to february and before that. there was an order to conduct these depositions back then. it has been weaving through the new york court of appeals, now the sides have come to an agreement. this is not something where the judge just happened to pick a date. the president's attorneys as well as ivanka and donald trump jr.'s attorneys have come to an agreement that friday, july 15th is when they will start these depositions. they have through the end of the following week to complete them. though i don't anticipate this to be a five or six-day affair. they will not be talked to at the same time. so these depositions will not occur with all three of them in the room. they will speak with them separately we're told.

this could change again. my kind of standard asterisk when we talk about this, because the trumps do have a window to file any sort of follow-on appeal with the new york state court of appeals and they could always issue a stay. so this is not a final date. that's just how these things go. at this point, the big key to this is the president's attorneys as well as donald trump jr. and ivanka's attorneys have agreed to this july 15th date. this is in the civil investigation, not in the criminal investigation. this has been ongoing for quite some time as you are aware. this is, i think, a pretty good signal that once this is taken that they're probably towards the end if not the end of that inquiry. so that's generally when they speak to the principals at the end of it, it's a good sign that it's coming to a conclusion.

then we'll hear what the attorney general's office decides to do. >> tom, appreciate it. a top member of the january 6th committee pushing back on the idea that their work is set to end with criminal referrals for former president trump. >> that's not the task before the committee. it's a fair question to ask. we'll lay out the evidence and we'll lay out the information that is before us and allow people to ask that question and form their own opinions. that's the task before the committee. then ultimately to produce a report. the level of accountability is on the department of justice. >> as much as the committee is gearing up for its first public hearing tomorrow night, you will be watching special coverage on msnbc of that, republican members of congress say they're getting ready to try to disprove the findings being aired in prime time. >> while democrats obsess over this illegitimate hearing, house

republicans will be setting the record straight and telling the truth about lame duck speaker nancy pelosi's sham political witch hunt. >> the wrapping up of the committee's work comes as the doj has new stats showing their investigation into the insurrection is still in full swing with as many as 2,500 more people in line for questioning. there's been 800 arrests, 300 guilty pleas. as the january 6th committee is looking to on the hillside begin to now publicly present their findings over the course of the next x many hearings starting tomorrow night, you have the doj investigation running concurrently. seeming like it's really in the thick of it, not close to wrapping up at this point. >> they're really only a fraction of the way through. a good timeline to think of this is on a five-year timeline, that's when we'll run up against the statute of limitations and

when based on the volume of cases this will have to continue through. even with those 800 cases brought forward, some of those are still working their way through the legal process, on top of that you have near 3,000 -- you have 2,500 people who entered the capitol, and then you have 350 people on the fbi's website right now who are still not arrested who the fbi said they want to charge with crimes. 250 of those individuals are alleged to have assaulted officers and still have not been arrested. there's a long timeline ahead. they're just pressing the start button on a lot of these cases and it could take months or years for these cases to work their way through. we have a lot of big trials ahead. >> ryan, thank you very much for that. still ahead, the message voters in one of the country's most progressive cities is sending to democrats ahead of the midterms. and one-on-one with john

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. some breaking news coming out. the biden administration is planning on moving migrants as quickly as possible out of border towns deeper into the country. i.c.e. calling this process decompression. first planning so bring migrants to los angeles in the coming weeks. the idea is to help out overcrowded shelters along the border with record high crossings that are happening. undocumented migrants are coming to the border at an average of 8,000 times a day. joining us now is the reporter behind this scoop, julia an ainsley. what else do we know about this program and the locations at play here. >> first, i have to tell you how this typically works. typically migrants cross the border in el paso and they come to places like this shelter behind me and then they get on

buses and planes this they themselves buy tickets for to go to places around the country where they can appear before an immigration judge and make their claim. now this is taking the immigrants and the federal government will pay for those planes and buses to move them to shelters further in. the first place is l.a. followed by dallas, houston, albuquerque and then other cities further inside the country that will come next. this is all part of that decompression program. why? because shelters like this could get overcrowded. i spoke to the director here today who said very often he can't take in the number of migrants that border patrol is seeking to send to him. we have some cute people coming into my shot right here. but basically this idea is to try to make sure these shelters don't get overcrowded. if they do, these people are released on the streets fending for themselves. now taxpayer money will take these people to shelters in places like los angeles. >> your reporting says some doh officials are calling this program the abbott plan named

after the governor of texas who, as i know you know, bussed migrants from texas earlier in the year. here's a clip of what governor abbott said about that earlier. >> joe biden refused to come to the border to see the chaos he created by his open border policies. we'll take the border to him by transporting the people that he is dropping off in these local communities in the state of texas and sending them to washington by plane or by bus. >> now this nickname, the abbott plan? >> yeah. that's right. because they are looking at that exact plan, that plan that many would see as a political stunt to bring imgrants from texas and put them at the feet of lawmakers at washington, they're saying not a bad plan because a lot of people got on that bus because it was a free ticket. it got them out of the border and closer to their final destinations. 99% of the people who cross here, we're told today, have family and friends in the u.s. who they can stay with, who can sponsor them. it's a matter of getting them

from point "a" to point "b." dhs says if we can put them on buses and planes and get them further inside and get a shelter network set up inside the u.s., that will be better for everybody. it will be better to get the migrants closer to their destinations and alleviate overcrowding at the border. you know if and when title 42 does lift, which will be sometime this year, these places could be overwhelmed. >> what do you anticipate the political fallout will be?

>> julia live for us in texas with her breaking reporting, first here on nbc news, thank you very much. it's good to see you out in the field. the democratic nominee in one of the most closely-watched midterm senate races has, because of health reasons, disappeared from public until now. we're talking about pennsylvania lieutenant governor john fetterman who has been recovering from a stroke he had just days before he won the democratic primary for this race back in may. fetterman's opponent and some democrats criticize the slow drip of information coming from the campaign. first the campaign described a short procedure to fix a relatively minor heart condition called afib. then 17 days later the campaign explained that fetterman actually suffered from a more serious condition that required a defibrillator implant.

that same day the candidate admitted that he almost died from the stroke and that he still has not fully recovered from it. which brings us to the last 24 hours when an nbc news team saw fetterman on camera for the first time since his diagnosis. aside from self-published social media. fetterman chatted just briefly. with fetterman sidelined, his wife gisele has stepped up trying to represent her husband, reassure nervous democrats that he's fit for a grinding general election campaign. joining me now is the correspondent you just saw in that little kip who talked with gisele fetterman. tell us more about this conversation. >> we saw john fetterman briefly, he was running errands and dropped by to say hello. he's still off the campaign trail and still not doing media, his wife gisele has gone from spouse to surrogate to step in.

she said they both view of what happened here as a second chance. what he disclosed in that statement along with a letter from his cardiologist, he also said that -- he admitted he had not been following doctor's orders. he had not been taking his medication. he did not come in for a follow-up like he was supposed to. when loved ones are in harm's way, there is sort of a few stages of emotions. first you're worried and terrified. then you're relieved, then i sometimes tend to get angry with that loved one if they had anything to do with putting themselves at risk. i asked gisele if that's how she felt about her husband. she said, absolutely. she was frustrated for him not taking care of himself. she remembered in 2017 when he was diagnosed with afib, but she said she had three young children at the time. she wasn't his mother. she wasn't looking to see if he was taking his medication every

single day. she said as adults we should have accountability for our health. she said he learned that lesson, you have to take care of yourself while taking care of others. you also mentioned there that the campaign has faced criticism around transparency when it comes to when and how the public learned about his health conditions and just the state of his well-being. i talked to gisele about that. take a listen to a piece of our conversation. >> the criticisms or the murmurs within the democratic party about lack of transparency from you guys. how do you respond to that? >> i don't really understand it. i think less than 48 hours turnaround is really transparent. i would say anyone who is thinking that, we're a real family. we're real people. we're the nominee but we're still a family who had to navigate these personal and difficult things publicly. i think we have done a superb job in transparency. >> i also asked when voters

might expect to see john fetterman back on the campaign trail. gisele said in a few weeks, but in the meantime she'll be front and center keeping his seat warm. >> dasha, good to see you. president biden just today on his way out to l.a. weighing in on a different race overnight saying that state and local officials need to step up their policing efforts after san francisco voters recalled the progressive district attorney there. a race that was focused mainly on rising crime in that city. here's the president. >> it's time the states and the localities spend the money they have to deal with crime as well as retrain police officers, as well as provide for more community policing. it's time they get on with doing that. that's what i think the message last night from the american public was in all the primaries. >> now we're waiting for san francisco's mayor to pick a

temporary d.a. after voters chose to remove chesa boudin. joining us is jacob ward in san francisco who has been covering this race for us. jake, an interesting dynamic here as we look forward now to what happened in this very progressive city and what it means for other progressive city officials running across the country. >> that's right. we're looking at a moment that is in many ways my nightmare as the person who covers the bay area. trying to extrapolate what happens here to the national political stage is so complicated. we spoke to voters across the city who essentially said, you know, i voted for chesa boudin, brought him into office because of his progressive policies. people here really recognized sort of the fundamental political bedrocks of san francisco is the idea that the justice system does need to be reformed, it falls on people in

unequal ways, but you can see the numbers there. they threw him out in a landslide. 60% to 40% is what we're projecting at this point without all of the votes in. the call was easy to make early in the night. the vote still has to be certified. we're looking at a very serious move against this son of progressive politics. so, when we think about what the future could be for other progressive localities, i think you can imagine that this morning the l.a. da george gascone, whether those efforts to recall them will go forward. over and over again we heard people in a strange position in san francisco, as so many of them are constantly in the last few years saying i hold these

ideas about fairness of treating people and on the other hand, a bike shop owner says my front door has been pulled off. i'm paying $5,000 to have plates of glass replaced when they're broken. so it's really clear that something is afoot. the way this has been communicated in san francisco did not work for the progressive reformer that chesa boudin sought to be. >> jake, thank you. coming up next, we'll take you back inside today's emotional hearing on gun violence with somebody who was there. congresswoman ayanna pressley joins us live next. preservision. preservision areds 2 contains the only clinically proven nutrient formula recommended by the national eye institute to help reduce the risk of moderate to advanced amd progression. "preservision is backed by 20 years of clinical studies" "and its from the eye experts at bausch and lomb" so, ask your doctor about adding preservision. and fill in a missing piece of your plan. like i did with preservision"

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principal recovery network, it includes the principals of sandy hook and marjory stoneman douglas. i sat down with frank deangelis, the principal of columbine, about the network and what they're doing now in the wake of uvalde. when former columbine principal frank deangelis heard about the massacre in uvalde, he picked up a phone and left a voicemail for the principal of robb elementary. >> i guess i was naive in april of '99. i made the comment within 24 hours, i said i hope my beloved 13 do not die in vain and that this does not happen again. unfortunately it continues to happen. >> reporter: it's part of his work with the principal recovery network, a group he helped found of school leaders who experience gun violence. they offer help right away and support to principals who lead schools who have ebb countered shootings. why do you think the principal recovery network helps and is

useful in a moment like this? >> i think a lot of times, one of the things that was kind of a trigger for many of us is principals or teachers stating that i know what you're feeling. you're trying to say do you really? were you stuck in a classroom? did you encounter a gunman? >> reporter: more than 311,000 students have been exposed to gun violence during school hours since columbine happened. now the uvalde shooting spurred an open letter saying we beg you, do something, do anything. without policy changes, more schools are forced to figure out themselves how to, for example, reopen after a shooting. >> really, we have to let them take the lead in talking about it. it is appropriate to ask questions, how are you feeling? are you feeling okay? are you feeling safe? >> reporter: that's maybe the biggest challenge to recovery. >> how do you get students to feel safe in school again after they experienced something as horrific as a mass shooting? is that even possible? >> it is difficult. one of the things that i learned

is afterwards, you want the kids to feel safe. you want the parents to make sure that they feel safe having the kids there. but at the same time, you want to make sure you do not have things in your building that are trigger the emotion and anxiety. >> reporter: for the students at columbine, chinese food was stopped in the cafeteria because that's what they had for lunch during the shooting. >> there were a lot of decisions that had to be made in that moment, what to do with the space, how to move forward with the school culture. >> reporter: elizabeth brown became the principal of a school just 45 days after a student who was expelled hurt a classmate with a sawed off shotgun. this principal convinced a gunman to drop his weapon after

shooting a student at school back in 2017. if you look at fully recovered as meaning the way it was before, no, i don't think that is possible. you get your feet back under you as a school and community, you reestablish that new normal. >> we hate to add new members to the group. we don't want this to happen to any other principal. >> reporter: in a sign of the times, with gun violence threatening schools across the country, the network is set to release a guide for other principals. it will be out later this summer ahead of the next school year. >> unfortunately we've seen over the past few decades it can happen at any community, large communities, small communities, rural communities.

>> they try to get through the memorial services and pay their respects to these 19 little lives taken too soon and the two teachers. the house of representatives held a committee hearing focused on some of survivor herself just 11 years old. one of the fourth graders in that classroom describing in absolutely terrifying detail what she went through. listen. >> i went to the backpacks, he shot my friend that was next to me, and i thought he would come back to the room so i grabbed her blood, and i put it all over me. >> miah cerrillo talking there. >> democratic congresswoman from massachusetts and a member of that house oversight committee. congressman ayanna presley, thank you for being with us this

afternoon. >> thank you for having me. >> let me play another moment that struck a lot of people as the town of uvalde's only pediatrician talked with you and colleagues about what it's been like since the shooting. watch. >> making sure our children are safe from guns, that's the job of our politicians and leaders. in this case, you are the doctors and our country is the patient. we are lying on the operating table riddled with bullets like the children of robb elementary and so many other schools. we are bleeding out and you are not there. >> in your view did the testimony that we heard, the gut punch of emotions here have the impact that democrats have the committee and the victims testifying wanted it to? >> well, the feeling of pain and grief and trauma was palpable in the room, and i am eternally grateful for those survivors who told those stories, but i am furious that people have to

continue to re-live their trauma in order to compel meaningful action or any action. they should not have to do that. they should not have to re-live this trauma in order to see action, in order to see lives saved. gun violence is a public health epidemic. we heard the word disease used over and over again. it is a disease, but we know what the cure is, but i can't even say, i hope that colleagues can summon the will, the political will and the courage because what kind of will or courage do you need to save the lives of our babies? we heard stories today about the impact of these assault weapons and these weapons of war, about decapitated children. so when you are talking about uvalde or buffalo or the district that i represent the massachusetts seven where there is loss of life every day that doesn't make the headlines and is equally deserving of

attention, of a policy response, this is a moral failure. this carnage, the lives we've been robbed of, elders, babies, educators. this is a moral failing. it is a policy failing, we can do something about it and we must. >> you talk about the need for action. your colleagues in the house are debating, i think, as we speak on the floor right now this package of what would be new gun laws, this new gun proposal. the senate is working on a more modest set of rules and it is something that most persons support which is raising the age for purchasing certain guns, semi-automatic weapon is what's in this proposal to in this proposal 21, 74% of americans support that. 91% of democrats and 59% of republicans, as well. senator mitch mcconnell has privately suggested he's open to that. he hasn't publicly said it, but

congresswoman, does that give you some level of optimism that at least perhaps this change, right? could end up becoming law in this country? >> well, this is a matter of life and death, and i want to see us ban assault weapons. i want to see us raise the age for purchasing a firearm. universal background checks. again, this is resulting not only and guns beget more guns so whether you're talking about being robbed of a loved one due to suicide or domestic violence due to access to a gun or the accidental shooting of a child who has access to a gun in their home. guns -- we have to do something about these guns. they are just too prevalent. so you know, whether or not i feel hopeful or encouraged, honestly i can't hold space for any of that right now because i'm still processing what i heard today, and that is just compelling me to continue to tell their stories and to

continue to fight until the very end until something meaningful happens. these are common sense policy responses to this public health crisis that is a moral failing, that is a policy failing and we can do something about it. we can end the massacres. we can end the carnage. we need to be focused on prevention. we need to be focused on intervention and we need to be focused on healing. you know, one of the things that was talked about in the hearing today which i appreciate is an issue i led on on the boston city council is just the trauma for the surviving family members or for those who are victims of shootings and they've survived. we can't just count the impact of this based on fatalities. >> yeah. >> i only have about a minute left in this whole show, congresswoman, but i quickly would like to get you to respond from something we heard from one of your colleagues on the other aisle and that was steve scalise

when asked about gun legislation. >> i go back on september 11th, the country made a realization that there wasn't a conversation about banning airplanes and connecting the dots and how can we figure out if there are signs we can see to stop the next attack from happening? >> that is getting some attention today, congresswoman. what's your response to congressman scalise? >> the signs are the lives that we've been robbed of more recently in uvalde and buffalo and this sorted of loss happens every single day and i can't reiterate enough how we do have committed to be also to addressing the trauma and the fact that we have surviving family members in uvalde after their children have been massacred who are here to lobby to be heard when they have barely put their loved ones to rest and the same thing in

buffalo and people have go fund me to have access to behavioral and mental health. that is simply unconscionable. the signs are all around us and we are long overdue for action, and it simply must happen and it's a matter of life and death and we can do something about it. >> congresswoman ayanna presley, thank you very much this afternoon and for being in the room for that. it's at times impossible to watch and impossible to listen to testimony. thank you very much. thanks to all of you for watching this hour at msnbc. as always, find us on twitter @hallieonmsnbc. "deadline: white house" continues right after the break. continues right after the break. this is what it's like to have a dedicated fidelity advisor looking at your full financial picture.

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