within my power. what i don't want to do, and i'm not being facetious, i don't want to emulate trump's abuse of the constitution and the constitutional authority. [ applause ] so -- and i feel that sincerely. look, the republicans don't play it square. why do you play it square? >> yeah. >> well, guess what? if we do the same thing they do, our democracy will literally be in jeopardy. >> well, yeah. >> not a joke. >> president biden sitting down with jimmy kimmel last night. we're following the latest in the debate over new gun safety legislation after the house passes a bill that will likely go nowhere in the senate. why? we'll tell you where the negotiations stand and play for you the extremely emotional testimony from survivors and the families of victims of the recent mass shootings. plus, the january 6th investigation goes primetime as the first public hearings into the capitol attack kick off this

evening. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is thursday, june 9th. along with joe, willie, and me, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, white house bureau chief at "politico" and the host of "way too early," jonathan lemire. we'll dive right into the house investigation into the january 6th capitol attack, which kicks off tonight in primetime. an aide tells nbc news the committee will present evidence never shown before which shows president donald trump at the center of a coordinated effort to overturn the 2020 election. the aide says tonight's testimony will serve as sort of an opening statement, and that the information we hear could go beyond the testimony we hear from live witnesses. as we've reported, this evening's witnesses include a filmmaker who is embedded with the far right group, the proud boys, and a capitol police

officer who was injured in the attack. "the new york times" reports the committee will also play video excerpts of the testimony from jared kushner and ivanka trump given behind closed doors. although it is unclear if those interviews will be featured tonight. so a big start tonight in primetime. >> right. >> probably strategy for a reason, to place it where most americans can see it. >> yeah. i think so. wil willie, of course, this is going to be fascinating because we will see new evidence, new testimony we haven't seen before. what's most fascinating to me at least is i want the testimony from -- not from trump's opponents, not from people who have been against donald trump his entire life, the people who were on the inside, the people who worked for him, the people who stayed with him despite the fact that they had grave concerns from time to time. the people who were with him on january 6th and reported to,

well, just the heinous things that he did. we've gotten a little snippet here or there about how he would run in while the capitol was being besieged. he would actually run in and would watch on tv in the dining room off the oval office, and he would rewind to find the most violent parts and would replay them over and over again. we've had republican senators say that he was giddy watching the violence. we're going to actually do what lawyers, when they start deposing people and send out interrogatories and they start piecing records together, we're going to get a clear tick-tock of events. i do think the evidence is going to be fairly overwhelming. not only did donald trump want the rioting to go on, that he was actively cheering for it. he did not want it to stop. >> absolutely.

and i think what's key here, the committee has signalled there will be, as you said, new evidence. we will hear from new witnesses. it's a story over the last year and a half americans feel they know. there's been documented video evidence of what happened. there's been media reporting on this. we feel we know the story. what the committee is telling us is there is more to it, and it may draw, as you say, a direct line right into the white house. jonathan lemire, you've been looking at this, you've written a book about the big lie that's coming out next month. what do you believe the committee sees as its job tonight? we know it won't be broadcast on fox news, an audience that may need to hear the truth about this. it'll be on one of their other networks with fewer viewers. how do they reach the american public? what do they think they have to do tonight? >> they know this is their best chance. the first night, primetime hearing is when they'll likely have the largest share of the nation's attention than they will at any point during these hearings. an aide talked to reporters yesterday, an aide to the committee addressed the point we

opened with. this is an event we've seen so much about. it's been documented with hundreds upon hundreds of hours of video, witness accounts, but they still feel they have new things, something that will shake the american people a little here, as they make tear their case. as they make their case about the lies by donald trump and allies, enable bid republicans in congress and the conservative media and, of course, his actions that day. as a postscript, they aim to have something so this never can happen again. that's their central mission here. tonight will be stark. it'll be telling. it'll likely be powerful. we will hear from a documentary filmmaker embedded with the proud boys that day and has new footage of those hate groups and what they did. also, we'll hear from a capitol police officer, the first capitol police officer who were injured that day, who suffered a traumatic brain injury, who could give a firsthand, harrowing account of the anger and violence perpetrated by those people we're seeing here, these trump supporters who stormed the capitol. this will go on for a number of

hearings, over a number of days, but they feel like, tonight, they have to have a big, important start. they think they've got a compelling narrative to tell. it might even change a few minds. >> this is the opening act, jonathan. there's no doubt about it. what we're seeing right there is going to be part of a story that most americans are aware of. they're not aware of all the details. you know, you'd have to think the key to what happens tonight and ongoing through these hearings is the ability to tell a story. does this committee have the ability to tell a story? americans love a story. you need a beginning, a middle, and an end. the two key components, we would hope, people should hope that they tell us, is, a, donald trump's participation in this. did he really participate in egging on this crowd? how did he do it? b, you know, did he use his power then as president to

affect the instruments -- did he use his power as the president of the united states to break the law and extend his rule as president? did he corrupt the system? that's going to be a story that i think everybody should be interested in, mika. >> mika and joe, the usual cast of republican suspects are already discrediting the committee, saying they're not going to be listening. they won't be paying attention. that it is a sham committee. it doesn't have enough republicans on it, et cetera, et cetera. the fact of the matter is 1,000 depositions and interviews, 98 subpoenas, 136,000 pages of records is what this committee has poured through. that is the evidence they have. they'll distill it all beginning tonight in primetime. >> again, the critical thing -- >> there you go. >> -- so many of the records coming from inside the white house and mr. president, the calls coming from inside the house. you have kevin mccarthy, remember kevin mccarthy who unloaded his text messages? we found out about don jr. we found out about sean hannity.

we found out about other people who were saying one thing publicly, but privately, they were panicked. they knew this was absolutely devastating. what did they do? they were begging donald trump to stop this. >> stop. >> now, why in the world were they calling donald trump instead of, oh, i don't know, mookie betts? well, because mookie betts couldn't stop. mookie couldn't stop the riots. >> why weren't they calling the police? >> kevin mccarthy couldn't stop the riots. yeah, why wouldn't they call the police and say, "stop"? they knew donald trump -- donald trump's children, donald trump's closest allies in the media, they knew that donald trump could stop this. people on the inside were telling them not only does he not want to stop this, he is actually encouraging it. he is sending emails when mike pence is in danger to try to rev the crowd up even more, to try

to make these riots turn deadlier. so we're going to see that. i talked to somebody close to the committee who said that some of these depositions, mika, took on almost a confessional tone. for whatever reason, a lot of people out there say, well, they were probably just trying to cover their tracks because they didn't want to be associated with an insurrection, because who would? but there are some people genuinely shocked by how unpatriotic the person they were working for was. i don't know why they'd be shocked by that, but just how he was a valueless void and that he was perfectly willing to watch the government go up in smoke, perfectly willing to watch congress get trashed. >> for himself. >> perfectly willing to let police officers get brutalized for himself. >> for himself, to try to change the results of an election. >> try to steal the election. >> so undemocratic. >> yeah. >> i think you zeroed in on one

of the key points here, and that is, why would these people all call donald trump? and it makes it very clear that trump is the only one who could have stopped this. joining us now, congressional investigation reporter for the "washington post," jackie alemany. and co-founder and ceo of axios, jim vandehei. jackie, what more can we expect to want, and is the overall goal, if you could talk about that, to try and prompt the doj to bring charges against trump, which many experts would say is a lofty goal? >> yeah, mika, you are exactly right, in that donald trump is going to be the through line of all of these hearings. but tonight, as jonathan very elegantly laid out, is going to be about the opening argument. laying out the evidence of what happened in the months before january 6th and then on january 6th, bringing the american public in, grounding them in that violence that happened on the day, and giving them a reason to tune in for the rest of the month. three hearings are already

scheduled for next week. monday, wednesday, and thursday. tonight's hearing is going to focus on the coordinated effort from far right militias. we're going to see gripping footage from nick husted, the documentary filmmaker, who worked with tarrio, who was just indicted for seditious conspiracy. there are people being charged with serious crimes right now who were coordinating with others, who were in touch with trump campaign officials in some way, and now are faing serious criminal charges. now, the legal significance of the hearings is still to be determined. we're not quite sure if that is going to be explicit throughout these hearings. you know, the committee's mandate is more of an explanatory mandate. but i think that, regardless, we're going to see the legality come out in some prosecutorial manner in the way the committee decides the lay out the

evidence. the end of the day, you've had a federal judge, david carter, say some of these pieces of evidence the committee has been seeking already show furtherance of a crime. there are lots of moving parts, but tonight is going to be starting with the overview. >> jim vandehei, you and i have seen quite a few high-profile hearings, investigations, when we were much younger, of course. the investigation into bill clinton. i remember when people had seen his testimony before the grand jury, and we were all waiting to watch it. long story short, it seems these investigations undersell what is promised. i'm curious what your thinking going into this investigation, if, in fact, we may see that once again, as we saw with the two impeachments of donald trump, or whether you're expecting something slightly different this time.

>> we live in a different world today than the clinton hearings, and certainly watergate. you had a public that largely trusted government. they took the hearings on both sides more seriously. obviously, the clinton stuff was polarizing in and of itself. they hired tv producers, are trying to keep it to 90 minutes. they're trying to grab the public by the lapel and say, this is a bigger deal than you think it is, whether you're a republican or democrat. you'll hear liz cheney and others saying this, it's a conspiracy that goes all the way to the top, to donald trump, to try to sow this revolution or ransacking of the u.s. capitol, to try to overturn the election. it's one thing to say something on social media, and they're fixated on what donald trump was doing on social media that day, whether he was signaling to the proud boys and others to keep it

up, to storm the capitol, not just don't stop it but actively encourage it. to prove that level of conspiracy, that's what they'd like to achieve. they seem to think they have a lot of evidence to be able to do it. they're going to juxtapose that, as you heard earlier, with lots of depositions, lots of video testimony from people around the president, including jared kushner and others, who are all, at the time, saying this is non-sensical. you lost the election. let's stop it. bring down the boil. all those people, mccarthy, whether it's people around him like mike pence, his daughter ivanka, they all say they were telling him this, yet he listened to a few people inside the white house and took it this far. so the big question is, will you be able to convince the american public that this was a conspiracy that started at the very top? >> jim, while we have you here, i want to move from january 6th to the elections.

the election a couple days ago that got the biggest attention was the one in san francisco of the da who lost. and we were talking about through lines. there certainly seems to be a through line from 2020, defund the police, a slogan republicans used, though every democrats on this show said we don't want to defund the police. it was the defund the police and focus polls showed that worked. you saw more americans concerned about crime, quality of life issues. eric adams, the most conservative candidate, winning the democratic primary, winning in queens, winning in brooklyn, winning in the bronx, even winning staten island. he'll be on our show in a little bit. now, we have this election recall in california, in san francisco. we have some of the most liberal cities in america actually

wanting to take a tough on crime approach, or at least a tougher on crime approach than some of the das that were elected pre-pandemic. what's the impact? do democrats understand the great challenge before them going into the 2022 elections? >> i think they absolutely understand the challenge, and i think they're very worried when you look at san francisco. you have liberals in san francisco saying we've gotten too liberal and went way too far on defund the police, not being tougher on crime, way too far on not being tougher on illegal immigration, and it's allowed republicans to take those topics, stack them on inflation, and paint democrats as out of touch. when you're nancy pelosi, if she were here on truth serum, i think she'd say, listen, aoc, the squad, the progressive wing of our party went way too far in the rherhetoric, too far until policies, making it hard for any democrat outside of a super

liberal bastion to win an election. it is the reason why democrats assume they'll lose the house by a historic margin. republicans could emerge from the campaign with the largest majority since 1928. it is a lot of the democrats' making. it's not that a lot of people love the republicans. they're not enamored with republican orthodoxy. they're frustrated with the direction of the democratic party. we've seen that play out in these races. the last hope i think democrats have, most people who lock in their views in the summer, is to be able to say, look at the gun debate. look at the abortion ruling we expect in late june or july. look at the consequences of this election. see if they can't crank up enthusiasm among democrats. even in the polls, you don't see the same enthusiasm among democrats as you do with republicans. >> jim, before we let you go, you brought up the southern border.

it is something that the media doesn't talk about that much. if you look at the numbers of illegal immigrant crossings over the past year or two, it just goes straight up. it spikes straight up. and i'm just curious, that obviously is a great concern to millions and millions of americans. democrats in washington don't like to talk about it. democrats on twitter don't like to talk about it. so they just pretend it's not there and that it doesn't upset americans. but crime, these illegal crossings at the border, i mean, it's not like donald trump, who made up stuff -- when he came in in 2016, illegal border crossings were at a 50-year low after eight years of barack obama and joe biden. this is real. numbers are spiking. more people keep coming. joe biden wants to get rid of a rule that provides some relief for border agents. but why is the white house so

completely lost on this issue? >> well, i think it goes back to what we were just talking about. there is a wing of the party that -- remember, go back a year or two. there was talk of should we push open borders and have a lax border policy? they feel they're caught in a vice. what you said is real. we've done a lot of reporting of the different warnings we're hearing from homeland security, that the crisis at the border could get even worse. the numbers are the numbers. you are seeing more people trying to come across the border illegally than ever before. i think the american people have a more complicated and complex and nuanced view on immigration. i think it depends where you live and sort of what job you hold. but i think there is a huge portion of the country that just believes that you have to enforce immigration laws at the borders. people can't come over illegally, even if they're coming over because they're trying to flee circumstances in

their own country. you stack immigration with crime, and those two, as you know in politics s a toxic stew. people don't like feeling unsafe. they look at the murder rates in big cities. they look what happens in chicago every weekend. they look at the shootings. the spike in crime worries people. then politicians can conflate that with illegal immigration and say democrats aren't worried about you and your safety, whether it's your income safety in terms of inflation or your safety because of crime. >> right. yeah, and they even conflate ukraine with the southern border. two completely different things, but that doesn't change the fact that this administration really is ignoring a massive crisis that members of their own administration say is a massive crisis. also, you said it concerns millions of americans who want our laws enforced at the border. you know who else, mika, foamik that way?

hispanics on the texas border. >> co-founder and ceo of axios -- >> they're voting republican. >> -- jim vandehei, thank you very much. jackie alemany, thank you for your reporting. before you go, looking ahead to tonight, is the committee concerned about capturing the emotional attention of americans on 1/6, given everything that's going on, including inflation? >> it's a valid question. it's one the committee wouldn't acknowledge publicly yesterday when reporters were on the background call. but it is something lawmakers on the panel and select committee aides have talked about privately, really for the past 11 months leading up to this investigation. how are they going to break through to a segment of the american electorate that's already made up their mind or has been fed disinformation about what happened on january 6th. that's why you're seeing committee members do alternative media in the lead-up to tonight. you have people doing softer tv

shows, morning shows, night shows, also a lot of local news programming, spanish language television. they're trying to explore different ways of connecting with americans. whether that ultimately breaks through is still a big question mark for the committee. that's why we're going to be watching ratings tonight for sure. >> jackie alemany with the "washington post," thank you, as always. now, a disturbing story surrounding the justice of the supreme court. a california man is accused of traveling across the country to kill supreme court justice brett kavanaugh. police were alerted by a 911 call that came from the suspect himself. nbc news justice correspondent pete williams has details. >> reporter: the fbi says about 1:00 a.m., this man dressed in black, got out of a taxi in front of the home of justice brett kavanaugh. they say after spotting two federal marshals, he walked a block away, called 911, and said he was suicidal and came to kill the justice. court documents identify him as nicholas john roske, age 26 of

simi valley california. he was carrying a handgun, ammunition, a knife, pepper spray, and burglary tools. investigators say they told him he was upset the supreme court might overturn roe v. wade and loosen gun laws. he planned to kill the justice then himself. security has been beefed up after last month's protests at the justices' homes. roske is charged with attempted murder of a federal official. no comment from his lawyer. >> pete williams there. attorney general merrick garland condemned the incident, saying this behavior will not be tolerated. he added, quote, we will do everything to prevent them and hold people accountable. mika. >> there you go. still ahead on "morning joe," a girl who survived the uvalde shooting shares her heartbreaking story with lawmakers. we'll have that for you and much more gut-wrenching testimony from yesterday's hearing. plus, an update on the gun

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i met with every single family member of all those kids who were killed and the teachers killed out in -- down in uvalde, texas. they stayed with me almost over four hours, family and extended family. the stories they told, the pain

on their faces, it leaves such a -- >> shouldn't we demand that every senator in the united states sit with those families? [ applause ] >> i think we should make the demand. here's what needs to happen, and i'm not being facetious, hopefully all you folks, and republicans, as well, you have to make sure this becomes a voting issue. >> on capitol hill yesterday, house lawmakers heard from those affected by recent mass shootings in buffalo and uvalde. survivors, victims families, and first responders were among those who pleaded with members of the house oversight committee for meaningful action on new gun laws. nbc news national correspondent gabe gutierrez has the emotional testimony. >> reporter: in one of the most chilling firsthand accounts so

far of the uvalde massacre, 11-year-old mia described the unthinkable horror, the moment the gunman approached her teacher. >> she got an email. she went to lock the door, and he was in the hallway. they made eye contact. then she went back in the room and told us, go hide. >> reporter: the fourth grader at robb elementary in a pre-recorded message told lawmakers how she and her classmates hid behind her teachers' desk while the gunman burst into an adjoining classroom. >> there is a door between our classrooms, and he went there. shot my teacher and told my teacher good night and shot her in the head. then he shot some of my classmates. when i went to the -- he shot my

friend. i thought he was going to come back to the room, so i grabbed blood and i put it all over me. >> reporter: she says she smeared that blood from a fellow classmate on herself and played dead, hiding from the gunman. >> what did you do then, when you put the blood on yourself? >> just stayed quiet. then i got the teacher's phone and called 911. >> what did you tell 911? >> i told her that we needed help and to send the police into our classroom. >> reporter: law enforcement would not storm the classroom and take out the gunman more over an hour, amid growing outrage from officers. the justice department announced a review of the police response to the shooting. >> if there was something that you want people to know about that day and about you, or things you want different, what would it be?

>> to have security. >> do you feel safe at school? why not? >> because i don't want it to happen again. >> do you think it's going to happen again? >> reporter: deeply traumatized, she was not in the hearing room. her devastated father was. >> she's everything, not only for me but her siblings and her mother. i wish something will change, not only for our kids but every single kid in the world. schools are not safe anymore. >> reporter: dr. guerrero, uvalde's only pediatrician, rushed to the hospital. he hoped to find more survivors. they never came. >> what i did find was something no prayer will ever relieve. two children whose bodies had been pulverized by bullets fired at them, decapitated, whose flesh had been ripped apart, that the only clue to identities was the blood-splattered cartoon shirt, clinging to life and

finding none. >> reporter: the mother of lexi rubio in agony, as lexi hours before the shooting at the awards day. she promised her daughter they'd get ice cream to celebrate after school. >> i left my daughter at that school, and that decision will haunt me for the rest of my life. >> reporter: lawmakers debated new gun restrictions that many republicans oppose. >> what happened in uvalde, buffalo, tulsa, is as wrong as wrong could be, but the answer is not to destroy the second amendment. >> reporter: everything will depend on what happens with bipartisan negotiations in the senate. we spoke with everhard after her testimony. her son, goodman, was shot at that buffalo supermarket. do you think today's testimony will change any lives? >> i hope so. they're trying to figure out what they can deal with and what they can't deal with. for me, that's a step forward. we said something today that struck a nerve with them. >> you heard in neighbor's

report the anguish from the mother of lexi rubio. edgar sandoval writes this morning in "the new york times" that young lexi rubio had big dreams. she wanted to go to college, major in math, and attend law school. those dreams died, of course, along with lexi when her fourth grade classroom was turned into a war zone. lexi and 18 of her fourth grade friends were slaughtered by a military weapon more lethal than the ones we gave our soldiers to fight in the jungles of vietnam. but it was used in lexi's classroom. americans who died in that war in vietnam left behind parents and loved ones who were desperate to believe that their child's sacrifice could make a difference. presidents would try to assure them. richard nixon wrote to the cummings who lost their son in war and said, "the only consolation i can offer is the profound respect of the nation he died to serve." those who give their own lives

to make the freedom of others possible live forever in honor. barack obama wrote to the parents of chief petty officer nicholas hall who lost his life in war a generation later and called their son, quote, a guardian of our liberty, and the true embodiment of america's spirit of service to the cause greater than ourselves. yesterday, it was lexi's parents walking down a well-worn path, already trod by parents from columbine, sandy hook, parkland, and so many other schools. all of them, all of them through the years pleading with congress and their local elected officials to make their child's life and death a difference. to make it a difference in the efforts to stop the bloodshed. from guns that kill more

children every year than the number of cops who are killed in the line of duty or soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines who are killed every year in combat. think about that. kimberly rubio spoke of seeing her daughter at an awards ceremony one hour before she died. as a parent, i just can't imagine this. her last glance of her baby alive was when lexi turned back and smiled after her mom promised to take her out for ice cream later that night. quote, and then we left. we left my daughter at that school. kimberly remembered. that decision will haunt me for the rest of my life, she said. yesterday, lexi's mom said somewhere out there, there's a mom listening to our testimony and thinking, "i can't even

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a live look at the white house on this thursday morning. a major legislative package on new gun measures is headed to the senate after passing in the house yesterday. by a 223-204 vote, lawmakers approved the protecting our kids act. the legislation is a collection of six new gun safety measures, including raising the minimum age to buy semiautomatic rifles from 18 to 21 years old. and requiring that all firearms be traceable. it is, however, unlikely to pass in the senate, where control is evenly split. willie. >> before that vote, house republican leaders sent an email to gop lawmakers calling on them to vote against the bill. leadership called it the unconstitutional gun restrictions act. the memo sent by minority whip steve scalise was full of nra talking points, as well as

reminder, votes on the bill could impact donations of if nra's victory fund. during a news conference, scalise, who is a victim of gun violence himself, shared more of his thoughts on the legislation in response to the uvalde shooting. >> what we saw, unfortunately, in the minutes and hours after by some people here in washington was a movement to promote their political agenda on the heels of that tragedy. what they were talking about the night of the shooting was trying to get congress to move a bill that had passed the house, a gun control bill, hr-8, that would have had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting. instead of focusing on some fundamental questions that ought to be asked every time there is a tragedy in this country, why did it happen? are there things we can do to prevent it? and i go back to september 11th. because on that tragic day, the country made a clear realization that dots weren't being

connected. terrorist attacks were happening, and the country didn't have the right focus on the fundamental core problems that were creating those attacks. airplanes were used that day as the weapon to kill thousands of people and to inflict terror on our country. there wasn't a conversation about banning airplanes. there was a conversation about connecting the dots. how can we try to figure out if there are signs we can see to stop the next attack from happening? >> where to begin there? next week -- >> oh, my god. >> scalise almost died in a mass shooting during practice for the congressional baseball game. so we've heard prairie dogs and varmints and ferrell pigs and what about hunter biden and now why didn't we ban planes after 9/11? >> this is unspeakably stupid. >> you know, this really is. for people who really aren't

familiar with constitutional law and they don't understand the law behind the second amendment, the case law, two centuries of case law which was fairly quiet until, i believe, 2008 with heller, you don't understand that when these republicans are talking and saying, like jim jordan said on the house floor, that it was destroying the second amendment, this is like -- if you understand the law, this is like dialogue out of "dumb and dumber." this is lloyd christmas, gentleman lawyer. these arguments are insane. jonathan lemire, i hear the arguments from steve scalise. >> and he thinks people are stupid. >> they didn't ban airplanes. i'll tell you what they did do. but he knows this. >> i know. >> they all know this.ted the h

air travel. you had to take your shoes off. you had to go through four grader screenings. i mean, everybody remembers after 9/11. you would get checked going into the airport. you'd get checked going through tsa. you would get checked at the gate. like, you had to get patted down. you're still getting patted down. liquids -- mika and i just traveled. liquids taken out. even, what, 21 years later, of our bags in one airport and thrown out, separated. they checked them. i mean, they have so hyperregulated air travel to stop another 9/11. guess what? it's worked. i guess what steve scalise is telling us is he is totally fine with the hyperregulation of guns. if his model is 9/11, progressives would say, bring it on. too much for me. hey, why don't we just do universal background checks that 90% of americans support?

why don't we just raise the age limit from 18 to 21 for weapons of war? more highly regulate those weapons of war, who can buy them, how they're stored, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. again, it is -- it's like lloyd christmas goes to congress. every argument from these republicans dumber than the last. >> they didn't ban airplanes, but they made it a lot harder to endanger someone on an airplane. that's the point of this. we're not going to ban guns either. they'll make it harder to endanger someone with them. it was richard reed, actually, the attempted shoe bomber a few months after 9/11. it was one incident of one guy trying to blow up something with his shoes. since then, every single person who steps foot on an airplane had to take off their shoes. one incident. we've had, sadly, hundreds of mass shootings this year alone. certainly, what we heard from scalise yesterday is further republican thought machine, trying to deflect, distract.

certainly, polling suggests the large percentage of americans are not with them on this. now it's a question of what can happen in the senate. certainly, the house passed a series of bills last night, six in total, with some sweeping restrictions. those, of course, none of them will become law. but there are efforts there in the senate where they think some things can get done. talks stalled a little bit. there is some optimism, both sides, that eventually this will get done. likely not this week, probably spill into next. there is that ticking clock. the longer this drags on, momentum will fade. before you know it, it'll be the july 4th campaign for congress, then it is campaign season. there is urgency to get something done. they believe it will. aides in it process told me last night it is focused largely on small measures, expanding background checks, red flags. better than nothing, mika, but incremental. >> that's the question. what is this that they're going to get done after two slaughters, one in buffalo,

couple in uvalde, and mass shootings in between. >> a doctor assassinated in tulsa by a guy who walks into a store. >> nothing congress passed actually applies to what happened. is the senate going to throw that all away? >> i'm sure they'll throw a lot of it away. >> right. >> mike barnicle, we always hear the same thing from republicans. they always lie. they always say, oh, there's nothing that could have been done to stop this. or there's nothing that could have been done. or the big lie, if you want to know what the big lie in the gun debate is, it's that they're trying to destroy the second amendment. nothing is being done that's trying to destroy the second amendment. if you look at the second amendment as in interpreted by heller, you basically have scalia and the rest of the court saying you have a right to have a handgun in your house and a shotgun. that's basically what it says. maybe that gets expanded with this new york city case, but we don't know until the new york city case goes down.

but it's just one lie after another lie after another lie. like lemmings going off the cliff while our children are being slaughtered in classrooms , while parishioners are being slaughtered in churches and synagogues, they just, like idiots, repeat the words given to them by the nra. >> you know, joe, this is so deeply depressing, this conversation we're having here, the conversation that's been going on in congress and in the country for years now. deeply, deeply depressing. steve scalise raised one important question in his little spiel about banning airplanes. the question he asked in his little clip there we just showed is why did this happen? speaking of uvalde, texas. well, it happened because and only because one 18-year-old

child, 18 years of age, was able to walk in on his birthday to a gun shop and buy two assault weapons, two rifles, two of them. not one, two. he used one of those weapons to kill 21 people in the schoolroom. we have a united states congress where people come and appear before various committees, including yesterday, and they look into the eyes of members of congress elected to help people, and they tell them, my daughter is dead. but there are other children in this country who need your help. we need your help. what does steve scalise and many republicans, almost all of the republicans do? they shrug their shoulders and say, "sorry, but we have to protect your guns first. we have to protect weapons

before we protect your children." i can't think of anything more depressing, more defining about the state of our government than what has happened just in the past couple of weeks. just on this one issue, this eternal issue of handguns, rifles, and trying to raise the age from 18 to 21 years of age. impossible to do. sorry, folks, we can't help you, your kids, or the public schoolteachers when they go to school. coming up, ahead of tonight's hearing on january 6th, members of the select committee will be with us. we'll have congresswoman elaine luria of virginia. she joins us the top of the hour. also in the next hour of "morning joe," two lawmakers both military veterans say it is time to stop easy access to weapons of war. and fresh off giving testimony to congress on gun violence, new york city mayor

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we cannot sweep this under the rug. we need to know why it happened, who did it, and people need to be held accountable for it, and i'm committed to make sure that happens. >> that was kevin mccarthy in the days after the attack, saying the things can't be swept under the rug. this was him yesterday, trying to sweep it under the rug. >> look, the committee, they never allowed republicans to be appointed to the committee. we tried to participate. 232 years of history rejecting that. it really is something that

goes after -- we should be going after the rise in inflation, gas prices, crime, and secure our borders. >> so kevin goes from -- >> hypocrisy is painful. >> kevin goes from yelling at trump on january 6th. >> there's more to that. >> saying he was responsible, screaming, swearing at him, and going around bragging to everybody that he had just gotten off the phone screaming, saying "they're your people. you have got to call them off." others doing the same thing. then they back down. lindsey graham, "i'm done with ya," then, again, as i said, he's chased around the airplane by three people and a hound dog and, suddenly, he decides he is on the trump train again. it's really -- again, it's, i don't know, people say it's depressing. i mean, i feel sorry for people that, my gosh, are -- >> can't stand up to their oath. >> -- that cowardly.

>> their country. >> they're not standing up to their oath. kevin mccarthy, it's disgraceful, what he's done, all because he hopes to be speaker of the house. of course, after donald trump cuts him off at the knees and, you know, supports somebody else to be speaker of the house, he'll come out and have the courage of his convictions again. >> how many examples does one need of the fact that donald trump will not stand by you but will turn on you? >> yeah. >> i mean -- >> throw him under the bus time and time again. >> joining us now, u.s. national editor at the "financial times," ed luce. host and executive producer of "the circus" on showtime, national affairs analyst john heilemann joins us. good to have you. >> john heilemann, what do we expect from the hearings? you read a lot of people, read their columns, and we're going to look at ed's column in one second. but a lot of people are saying, this is going to be a bust. once again, you're going to have

a incapable of accomplishing their most basic tasks. what do you think? >> good morning, guys. i think it is an overly cynical view. look, i had the same view whenever there have been these big hearings, also in trump's impeachment hearings, the same thing, which is i think we owe it to these things to go in with an open mind. open mind not just about the evidence but how well the committee will do at presenting that evidence. this committee, i think, heard people say over the course of the past months and took seriously what people said, "look, you have to be something different than what the other folks did, including the past impeachment hearings, to break through." they've hired some tv producers. they tried to make more of -- they tried to understand the nature of the task at hand, the story telling. mike last hour was talking about this. they're focused on big characters and what revelations they do have. i think this video we're going to see is going to be stunning and stuff no one has ever seen

before. there's going to be news they're going to make. all of that, think, is true. it opens the door over the course of not just tonight, the most important night in some ways, but the rest of the hearings, of them getting their most basic task done, joe. i think the place for skepticism is over whether it'll move the needle. i don't think it's the committee's fault. it's the reality of the world we live in right now. the fact that fox news is not going to cover these hearings. the fact that you're not going to have -- we no longer have a world where the watergate committee can put on 51 days of testimony and tens of millions of people will watch day in and day out. that's not the media universe we live in. it is not the political partisan verse we live in. it is more plarized and the audience is fragmented. no matter how well the committee does, the impact will be more limited because it is not going to reach nearly as many people. so many of those people in the

country have their minds made up on one side or the other. >> ed luce is writing about the fragmented audience, "america is two nations barely on speaking terms." in it, you write this, ed, "what should we make of the fact that america's tv channels all carried the live jubilee festivities of an elderly monarch but will part ways on the hearings for the assault on the capitol. the televised hearings will be hoping to emulate watergate. watergate, which took 50 years ago next week, to january 6th, is the measure of a transformed society. though nixon had been re-elected by a landslide, the u.s. senate voted unanimously to open an investigation into the burglary. the fact the president could be a crook was too serious to be treated as normal politics. it was the methods used to cover

it up more so than the crime. with trump, most minds are made up. 40% of americans agree with trump. can the january 6th hearings change that? seems unlikely. part of the cure for today's partisan mutual loathing would be a display of the admiral objectively shown by the watergate committee. but the american stunned into forcing nixon's resignation seems almost as lost in time as the royal tyranny it expelled. ed luce, watergate seems quaint in comparison to a president leading, perhaps, the coup to overturn a presidential election. so it's true what you're referring to, that fox news will not broadcast these hearings. it is a huge audience in primetime at 8:00 when these hearings would take place. it'll be over on one of their sister networks with fewer viewers. how does this committee get the message out? >> well, that's a good question. not only will fox not be

broadcasting, but it'll be doing very strong counterprogramming that will then spread out and radiate out to its various echo chambers. tucker charlson already has this counter explanation for the january 6th attacks that's clearly had a massive influence. obviously, in 1973, 1974, there was no fox. there was no other cable tv channel either. there were the networks, the npr, the youthful npr broadcasting it out. almost three-quarters of americans heard this. i guess the challenge, i think, for this committee is that in the early '70s, americans saw themselves, in a way, as jurors. open-minded, listening to evidence. the evidence was being revealed bit by bit. it didn't begin, the watergate senate committee, with full knowledge of what nixon had

done. these were shocking revelations. by contrast, the january 6th committee, we know what happened. anybody paying attention knows exactly what's happened. i have no doubt this committee will have some very powerful and very gut-wrenching additional footage and testimony and some ah-ha moments. but we already know, anybody who pays any attention knows what trump was up to. so i guess my main hope is that they link what happened last year to 2024. this is not a past inquiry into a past event. this is an ongoing process that is being manifested in republican-run legislatures across the country to change the electoral rules in america, to carry out electoral subversion. that, i think, is the message they need to really drive home.

>> yeah. you know, mike barnicle, ed brings up a great point. donald trump has done all this in the open. this isn't like watergate. he's done all of it in the open. six, nine months before the election, he started whining about a rigged election before the first person voted. it's what he did after ted cruz beat him in the iowa caucus in 2016. he ran around screeching and whining about a rigged election. we heard the call. americans have heard the call. he calls the secretary of state of georgia and says, "rig the election for me. how many votes am i behind? you can find one more vote than i'm behind. you do that for me." right before the election when he was way down in the polls, he was telling his attorney general to arrest his political opponent and his political opponent's family. again, all of this out in the open, unlike watergate.

david brooks writes this morning that this is not a conspiracy of silence, this is a political movement. which makes it so much more dangerous to american democracy and this republic of ours. >> joe, there's no doubt about it. both david brooks' piece and ed's piece get to the root of what we ought to be thinking about, and that's the stability of our democracy and what has already happened to damage our democracy and what might happen this fall and, certainly, in 2024. people are fooling around with the stability of government the way our government has always operated. jonathan, in the white house, this administration, are they aware that one of the things that ed was talking about is the difference in our attention span, between 50 years ago and watergate and today. more people will have watched probably and paid attention to the johnny depp trial than will they pay attention to what

happens tonight. more people focus on a couple things every single day in their american lives. the price of gas, the price of groceries, the fact that there's no baby formula on the shelves. is the white house aware of the degree of difficulty involved in getting people to pay attention to something that happened two years ago? >> very much so. the johnny depp trial, i'm sure, significantly greater viewership than what we'll see the next few days out of the january 6th committee. the white house, they've given this a respectful distance. they feel like the january 6th probe is one for congress the run. they certainly have put their support behind it. they hoped it'd be a bipartisan effort, just thanks to represents cheney and kinzinger. the president gave an impassioned speech about the need to defend the nation's democracy, but then stepped back from it. it could change. we may hear from the president at some point in a big moment here over the next few weeks, perhaps as the committee hearings wrap up. there is an interesting name, john heilemann, as someone who

may be called to testify in the next few weeks. negotiations going on right now with the aforementioned brad raffensperger, georgia secretary of state. in talks with the committee, he may appear in one of the hearings, not tonight but over the next few days. what -- whether it's he or someone else, what sort of compelling testimony does this committee need to elicit from a witness that will shake the americans to pay attention? >> i'm with joe on this. i think that the testimony that i'm most interested in, and, you know, we're all students of it to a degree and obsessively, absorbing all the information, and it's what we high bar for things that will surprise us, but i have to think in this case, like what joe said earlier, it's something that would meet the bar for us and a lot of americans. people were very close to donald trump were taped in their depositions, saying things that would surprise us about things that they saw from the president himself. the committee is likely to air

testimony of jared kushner and ivanka trump, for instance, and it may happen tonight. i think the people who were trump lifers, the people who stood by him, who some of us disdain for the compromises they made to stay in the white house, but it's the republicans, the true believers, the people whose opinions need to be moved on this is a large chunk of republican party, who disbelieves there was a righteous protest, who thinks donald trump still should be restored to office and is the rightful president of the united states. those people are the people of the country that we, collectively, those of us tethered to reality, we need to reach those people. the best route has got to be people who they see themselves in a little bit. some people who had been loyalists to donald trump. people who were part of the republican party. people who were in the white house with him on that day now giving testimony that undercuts his lies. >> yeah, that'll be the most

compelling testimonies. it'll be the people closest to him. it's going to be all after those text messages his chief of staff turned over that we're going to see. again, his children, his family members, his friends, closest political allies, his closest allies in the media, all begging him to stop, to stop it. he had the power to stop it. you know, i showed mika "a few good men," the movie. there's the scene at the end where tom cruise said, "wait a second, why would you have to take him off the base if you ordered them not to do the code red?" "they follow your directions." that's when, of course, nicholson melted down because he knew they would have followed his directions. >> absolutely. >> just like trump. everybody knew, just like in the final amazing scene in "a few good men," that if donald trump called them off, called the

rapid attackers off that were beating the hell out of police officers, that were destroying the u.s. capitol, that were trying to overturn an election, that were trying to find mike pence and hang him, that were trying to find nancy pelosi and assassinate her, that were trying to decapitate the federal government, the constitutional federal government by killing the second and third ranking members in that u.s. government. if donald trump just told them to stop it, it'd stop it. >> he couldn't. he couldn't do it, even when he begrudingly made some tape to go out to twitter. he couldn't say it. couldn't say it. >> it took him a very long time. >> he said he loved them. >> yeah, he loved them and told them they're great people. i do -- i do want to ask you, ed, while we're talking about not just january 6th, ed, but also i want to talk about the

gun debate going on on capitol hill. it has to be extraordinarily hard for our closest friends, whether they're in britain or france or our closest nato allies, to look at what's happening in america and see an 18-year-old psychopath capable of walking in, getting a gun on his 18th birthday, and mowing down little children, after it's happened in this country time and time and time again. a few days later, somebody who has back pain, i think it is, and didn't like how their surgery turned out, walking into a gun shop in oklahoma and getting a weapon of war. going and having another mass shooting, killing a doctor, killing other people around there. seeing this happen time and time again and understanding that about 9 out of 10 americans

support universal background checks. most americans support red flag laws. most americans support raising the age of when somebody can buy a weapon of war from 18 to 21. they've got to think, well, first of all, it's crazy that our democracy is so broken. somehow, a filibuster in the senate, gerrymandering in the house would stop that. also, that we're even talking about weapons of war and 18-year-olds being able to go in and buy a weapon more powerful and deadly and lethal than the weapons our troops got in vietnam. >> foreigners pay attention to america, a lot, and understand most americans support gun reform, ranging from modest and sensible to radical gun reform. they understand that the nra is an extremely powerful, fear-inducing organization

amongst republicans, and that's a big part of the story. you know, as you know, many other democracies, britain included, australia in this tasmania shooting, as well, have had mass shootings in schools and other public places that have so shocked public opinion that their parliaments have been forced to bring in pretty strict gun controls. it's not as if, you know, americans are more prone to crime or have higher degrees of mental health disorder. you know, if you look at knife crime, if you look at street crime, you look at burglary, armed robbery, forms of armed robbery in places like britain and australia, they're no different than they are in the united states. the difference is there are no guns. i ought to mention one thing. my daughter turned 6 on december 14th, 2012. the day of sandy hook.

it happened by bizarre coincidence, i was hosting my daughter's birthday party to be 20 6-year-olds around me when i got the news on my iphone of what had happened in sandy hook. so i was able, viscerally, to imagine the carnage of these little toddlers. it's extremely hard to believe that this democracy is unable to respond in any way, even a modest way, by lifting -- you do get a beer at 18. you can't get a beer at 18, you just be able to buy a military style weapon. >> ed luce, thank you very much. joining us now, a member of the house committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol, congresswoman elaine luria of virginia. she served two decades in the navy, retiring at the rank of commander, and is vice chair of the house arm services

committee. thank you very much for being on the show this morning. i guess i'd like to ask you what we can expect to see tonight. >> well, this is the introduction of the committee to the public of the work we've been doing over almost a year. as you've mentioned earlier, we've interviewed over 1,000 people. we have over 140,000 documents. it's been really an extensive investigation a detailed investigation, and this will essentially be the opening statement of the committee's presentation of that information to the public. i think that everyone should pay attention to this. i think, you know, where i stand right now on january 6th was overrun was rioters, violent people who wanted to attack the system and our government and our democracy and stop the certification of the election results that were happening a few feet away. it wasn't just about that day. it wasn't just about that violence. it was about all the things that

led up to it. it was about all of those forces and factors that led to a point where violence was the tool that was used to influence the government. you know, i think that we really need to understand what continues today, the threat that still exists moving forward. i know that our hearings over the next few weeks will really lay that out for the american public. >> good morning, congresswoman. this obviously is critical, important. you have new interviews, documents you'll present to the american people who will be tuned in tonight. it is, at the end of the day, a political exercise. you'll prepare a report, and that will be that. what do you hope follows from this? based on everything you know, based on everything you've seen, things many of us haven't seen yet, do you hope there will be criminal prosecutions the end of these hearings and after you submit your report? >> i hope the way we display this information to the public

through the course of the hearings will make it abundantly clear there was a conspiracy at play here. all levels of government were used to try to keep the former president in office. as we move forward with these hearings, the committee will make recommendations, recommendations we can use to try to prevent something like this from happening in the future. you know, as the hearings progress, i think that the committee will make the recommendations that are appropriate relative to the information we've gathered. >> congresswoman, i'm just curious about your district, if you could tell me about it. it is republican leaning. are you getting support from your constituents? why -- because i know you've asked to be on the committee, why would you put yourself in a politically tenuous position? >> i think the work of this committee is incredibly important. we have to get to the facts. we have to get to the truth. you know, getting to that information, finding out what

happened that day, preventing something like this in the future, that is more important than my worrying about re-election or political future. and i understand, you know, being a democrat that represents a district that leans republican, that this could be unpopular amongst people in my district. you ask i hear from people. when i'm in the community, the most common thing people walked up to me to say is thank you for your work, thank you for your work on the committee. if there is a question about whether this will cut through with the american people, there are people who come up to me who are unlikely for those to be the first things they say to me, but it is. i think people are paying attention. >> member of the committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol, congresswoman elaine luria. thank you very much. thank you for your service. still ahead on "morning joe," two more members of congress with experience handling weapons of war. army veteran jason crowe and navy veteran mikie sherrill join

us. plus, the emotional oversight hearing yesterday, eric adams joins us with his newly named gun czar. also ahead, where things stand for new gun safety legislation in the senate. homeland security committee pair gary peters is our guest. we'll also ask the senator about one of the latest examples of the rise of domestic extremism in america following the arrest of a suspect with alleged plans to assassinate a supreme court justice. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. bipolar depression. it made me feel trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of bipolar depression.

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military, they'd hand him a gun but he'd have to carry around the gun for quite some time before he got training, ammunition, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. congresswoman crow -- >> not loaded. >> yeah, not loaded. i would guess your experience much the same. you had to go through very extensive training before you're able to even hold a loaded weapon. >> yeah, that's right. i mean, i've been around guns since i was 12 years old. i remember starting hunting as a young teen. the first thing that i did was i went to the local ymca and took a hunter's safety course. i learned that your relationship with guns is a serious one. you have responsibilities. it is a somber one. you treat it with respect. i started hunting and became an army ranger after that. guess what? when i was in iraq and afghanistan, i didn't carry my hunting rifle with me. when i was in the woods hunting,

i didn't carry my assault weapon from the military with me. the reason was is they are vastly different weapons that are designed to do very different things. these are weapons of war that we're talking about. hay don't belong on our streets, our occur champions, our communities, and our synagogues. that's why mikie and i worked hard to try to push to ban these weapons in our communities. >> congresswoman sherrill, you served in the united states navy. we heard this argument from your republican colleagues lately. they say, you can be 18 to join the army. you ought to be able to hold a weapon if you're 18 and not in the army in this country. they used the second amendment as a defense of that. having been around these weapons, fired these weapons, what's your view about whether, say, an ar-15 or any other semiautomatic rifle should be that easy to get in the united states? >> well, willie, like jason, i grew up in a hunting culture. my father is a hunter. he's the one that taught me how to shoot.

i shot these rifles -- shot assault rifles and handguns in the military. but they're weapons of war. jason and i aren't just veterans, we're parents. we have young school-aged children. and we know that these weapons were designed to kill as many people in as short a time as possible. that bump stocks are designed to increase the speed at which these weapons can be fired. they have no place on the streets. the only thing they are designed to do is kill people. and so like so many parents, when i sent my children off to school these past couple weeks, i had that kind of heartache as i watched them go, wondering, what if i was one of those parents that never saw their children come back? so it occurs to me that, as jason and i have been trained to protect people in the military, it's shocking that it's been harder to try to protect people here in the halls of congress, as we're working so hard to get just basic, basic gun safety

measures passed. >> congressman crow, we've heard the last couple days from republicans up on the hill where you are that ranchers need these, farmers need them to shoot prairie dog, said one senator, to shoot varmints, pigs that ruin the crops, raccoons getting the crops. what is your assessment on that, contrasting prairie dogs with children in a school inuvalde, texas? >> first of all, there is no comparison. secondly, this is a lie that's been made up by the gun manufacturers. it's just not true. for 150 years, farmers and ranchers in colorado and every place else did vermin control and protected their herds with simple rifles and shotguns. they've never needed assault weapons. in the last ten years, the gun lobby determined they can sell more guns and prevent common sense reform and regulation by creating this and fabricating this story, that this is part of

our national heritage and farmers and ranchers need this stuff. they've never needed it. the same with home defense. you don't need an assault weapon for home defense. everybody knows it's not even a good weapon for home defense. if you feel you need it to protect your herd or defend your home, then you're simply not shooting straight. you need shooting lessons. so this whole thing is absurd. it's a lie. it's been made up. it's been made up to try to sell more guns and at the expense of our children. >> congresswoman, good morning. jonathan lemire. want to shift gears. obviously, there is a debate right now about guns on capitol hill. that's not the only thing going on. the january 6th committee begins their hearings tonight in capti attention of a nation. what story do they need to tell, in your estimation? how can they shake the sense into people who are, perhaps, so hardened about that day? >> well, we've already heard so much evidence coming out of the

january 6th committee, and i think they just need to continue to do their job. that's bring to light for the american people how much planning went into this, how -- you know, what kind of intent went into trying to overturn our democratic process, to keep a president in office despite the will of the american people. i think that's what people need to understand. this wasn't simply a protest gone awry. this was thoughtful planning that went into very strategically trying to overturn our democratic form of government. >> congresswoman sherrill, what does it say if your counterparts in the senate kill this legislation? do they -- do republicans care more about their assault weapons than they do kids? this is legislation that addresses what happened. >> mika, i've been spending the past week with my community, hearing from parents who are scared for their children,

hearing from children who are scared to go to school, who are scared for their parents who are teachers. it is such a horrible impact on the community, and we hear about thoughts and prayers. you know, there's people across the country that can think about what's going on in this country. there are people across the country that can pray for better results. there are very few people in this country that have the power to legislate on this, to actually work to keep people safe. that's what our communities are calling out for across the nation. if you as a member of our legislative body don't want to legislate on this, don't want to do anything to keep our families safe, then, you know, you should really consider another job. i hope the people that you serve will consider finding someone else to serve. >> members of congress, mikie sherrill of new jersey and jason crow of colorado, thank you both very much for coming on this morning and for your work.

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i'm here today to ask every one of you and every one in this congress to stand with all of us to end gun violence and protect the lives of americans. we are facing a crisis that is killing more americans than war. a crisis that is now the number one cause of death for our young people. >> 38 past the hour.

new york city mayor eric adams yesterday calling on congress to pass new gun laws and ban assault weapons during his testimony before the house oversight committee. he told lawmakers, quote, it was time to decide if we're going to be a nation of laws or a confederation of chaos. mayor adams joins us now, alongside andre t. mitchell, the newly appointed czar of the mayor's gun violence prevention task force. also joining us for this discussion is the host of msnbc's "politics nation," president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton. >> thank you all so much for being with us. mr. mayor, let's start with you. yesterday, of course, a progressive da recalled in san francisco. a year ago, you got elected in another politically progressive bastion, new york city. i'm wondering, should new york's

own da and members of the city council who are standing in your way of getting tough on crime, should they take a message from that election? >> i believe we all should. something i think is taking place in america and in new york. you have the numerical minority that are on the far right, trying to put guns in the hands of everyone. then you have a small number that's on the far left that believes we should not hold people accountable after committing crimes. they are shooting at each other, and caught in the middle are the everyday new yorkers and americans that are tired of this overproliferation of guns. we should take heed of what happened in san francisco. you saw the france residents said, we don't want to live this way. >> mr. mitchell, obviously, in the wake of shootings like the one we saw in uvalde or the one we saw in buffalo, the focus is on the semiautomatic rifle, on the ar-15. as you and the mayor know all

too well, most of the gun violence, most of the gun deaths in this country come through handguns. that was a point the mayor was trying to make yesterday up on capitol hill. what are some solutions to that problem? we're focused now on the ar-15 and maybe raising the age. some democrats want to ban them all together. what about handgun violence? what are solutions you've found over your career work? >> what i found over my career is that we pour more resources into those neighborhoods where the unfortunate guns have made their way. it is unfortunate that young people in communities have more access to guns than they do jobs, opportunities. so resources, that seems to be the best approach to dealing with that issue. >> it's a whole holistic approa. that is why andre is playing such a major role. you know, he's always been my gun czar, but his official title as a co-chair of the task force is crucial. i've known a.t. for over 30

something years, close to 40 years he has been in this work. so the partnership of bringing government with the person who is on the ground to assure the proper alignment as we prevent crime and have intervention to deal with those dangerous individuals on our streets. which, mind you, is a small number of repeated offended that we need to finally go after. >> you know, mr. mayor -- >> reverend al -- sorry. go ahead, al. >> following that up, i think it is important to commend you for bringing a.t. in to this position. you and i, you know, came along together for the last 35 years, including where we would go paint red xs on crack houses to show where they're selling crack. there was always an element of the community that was noisy, saying, don't help the cops. we were also holding the cops accountable. a.t. comes out of that

community. if anyone knows on the ground how they think, how they work, and are hurting our community, it's somebody like a.t. i mean, i watched a.t. grow up. i think that government sometimes fears bringing in the a.t. mitchells. they're the ones we need if we're going to stop this. a.t., you spoke saturday at our national action network weekly rally. you said, yeah, i've got the tattoos. yeah, i've been the incarcerated. i'm the kind of guy that understands how to talk to these guys. talk about that to our viewers. >> well, you know, you have to be closest to the problem. those that are closest to the problem are best to have a better understanding of the solutions. so, you know, growing up in brownsville, brooklyn, like we did, rev, it was a rough and tough community. unfortunately, you know, when you growing up in that environment, you have to adapt. but at the end of the day, it makes you a person like we are today. it makes us into the men and

women that grow up in those communities more successful individuals if they put their minds to it. that's what we are actually willing to do and continue to do in this role. >> they say to me all the time, rev, when i bring people who have really learned from their lives, the lives they live, they say, well, you know, look at their background. i say, look at my background. i mean, who are we kidding here? people knew of my background. they knew of the troubles i had as a child. they knew i was dyslexic. they knew i was arrested as a young man. they say, we want you to be the mayor of the city of new york because the life you lived is the life people are living now. we should be happy that we have someone that transformed the arc of his life and now is a productive citizen, saving the lives of others who are on the wrong path. >> a.t., you were founder and executive director of man up.

i understand, especially given what you just said in the past few minutes, that you want to focus a lot on what is going on in the communities where some of the gun violence is happening. but what about other measures? republicans said, you know, these assault weapons are needed to kill prairie dogs. there's so many of them out there that you can't really solve the problem. are there real, tangible solutions you'd like to put into play? what do you think of, for example, gun buybacks? >> i think this is a time we need all hands on deck and a holistic approach. anything that will take guns out of the hands of people who may use them illegally is a plus in our eyes. excuse me. yeah, so anything and everything that can help us to reduce the amount of gun violence we are experiencing, i believe, is a good thing.

>> keep in mind, you know, i use the term, there are many rivers that feed the sea of violence and we have to dam each one, as a.t. is stating. what we can't do is create new rivers to flow into the sea of violence. the supreme court deliberation of taking away the permit process, of allowing anyone to have access to a gun, as we dam some of the rivers, we're creating a new river. that's what we're saying to the supreme court and albany yesterday, it's time for us to stop the shootings and placing these guns in the hands of our children. that's incluing social media. that includes banning the ak-47. you don't need an ak-47 to shoot a rabbit. who are we kidding here? it's time for us to be more sensible as american lawmakers to deal with this violence. >> mayor adams, there seems to be a potential, natural constituency, or alliance, between two groups that have

been separated for some time. that would be democratic politicians and the police. no one is under threat of gunfire on the narrowly basis, just doing their jobs, than cops. in every city in the country. yet, the democrats seem to be hesitant about trying to put that alliance together. what can be done to strengthen that alliance? >> you are correct, and i believe it has been a historical, big mistake, that democrats talk about their prevention for the most part, many of the democrats. they talk about the long-term things we must do, but the intervention is right now. you know, when you look at the killers and shooters in cities, they're many democratic cities. but when you look at the state, they are red states. when you look at what's happened in tulsa, tulsa's murder rate is three times the rate of los

angeles. look at mississippi. you look at these red states, they are under fire. but it's the cities within these red states that are dealing with the violence. i think it's time for democrats to understand that part of the apparatus of the public safety and justice include the men and women who are placing themselves on the front line. that's why i embrace and support proper policing, and i believe you can't send people into the field of battle and not gif them the tools they need. but we're not going to allow abusing policing. good policing is not abusive policing. that's why we're getting it right in new york. 3,000 guns removed off the street. 30% decrease in homicides. 30% decrease in shootings during the month of april and may. we're moving in the right direction to get that qualitative public safety we're looking for. >> right on that point, mayor adams, 3,000 guns. i want to emphasize that, already taken off the streets since you've become mayor. you've only been mayor six

months. i've noticed and i've had meetings with you and private meetings with you and some of those of us concerned about stop ing crime and stop police abuse. there's not been an uptick from the activist groups i work with, my own group, of people complaining about they've been abused. how are you trying to keep striking that balance? >> great question, rev. because you and i both know how long we've fought to stop the abusive police tactics. i testified in federal court. we marched together. we had several trials around this, testifying with hearings. so the goal is, number one, use technology. every interaction now, police officers are wearing body cameras. we're monitoring those cameras. my neighborhood safety team, we're making sure that the best officers with the right temperament are allowed to go out and carry out the initiative that's focusing on guns.

then we're sending a clear message with discipline. we're going to expeditiously go after those officers who are abusive so they don't remain in our police department. as you indicated, and sometimes it's hard for people to realize, it's only been six months. you know, we're turning around this ocean liner, but we're in a good place and in a good role. i'm excited about the future of the city. i think people are going to look at what we're doing here and duplicate it across the entire country. >> new york city mayor eric adams and the city's newly appointed gun czar, a.t. mitchell, thank you both very much for being on the show this morning. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you all so much. greatly appreciate it. rev, while we're talking about guns, i want to talk to you about a statistic that we've been are mentioning on this show since uvalde. of course, buffalo and tulsa and

charlotte -- >> and so on and so on. >> chattanooga and so on and so on. you have to go so many times to funerals for young men, young women who are killed by police officers. we, of course, have that debate. we cover that just like we cover when cops get shot. we see in new york city, rightly, the city seems to shut down. rightly, the media covers these tragic stories of black men and women being shot. when a u.s. troop is killed, we cover the stories and bring attention to it. as a nation, we stop and mourn

the passings. but the stats we see that are just mind-boggling are that you add all of those deaths up over a year, black americans killed by police officers, all americans killed by police officers, police officers killed in the line of duty, u.s. troops killed in combat, add all those numbers up, and those numbers are less than the number of children who were killed every year by guns. and you tell us about those funerals, too. you go to too many of those funerals. how could it be as a nation that we can't do something to stop this killing of our children when the party that is stopping it claims to be pro life? >> you raised the real question, i think, of this time. because, clearly, we're looking

at a situation where, put aside all the noise and the rhetoric on either side, the facts speak to what you just said, joe. i cannot for the life of my understand that people love babies until they're born. once they're born, they cut any kind of social help for them. but they're not even concerned about them being the victims of guns. and of killings by guns. in my opinion, i think that if there's one thing we can unite around in this country, it's saving our children. we have to do something about the amount of children killed by guns. it is something that if any of us have any humanity left, we should be able to get over our political and social differences and say, we must save our children. we've got to love them after they're born, not just fight, saying we're pro life. no, you're pro birth, you're not pro life if you keep letting children get killed. >> yeah. i believe that life begins at

fertilization and ends when a baby draws a breath. it's sickening. john heilemann, these numbers, you look at these numbers that are up on the screen right now. alex and i were talking after uvalde and said, hey, let's look at the numbers that we cover the most here. let's look at the killings that stop america in their tracks. they make us stop and reflect on who we are as a nation. yet, you look at those four things that we stop and talk about so much on television, rightly. they don't even add up to the number of children killed by guns every year. first of all, i'd love for you to talk about just how surreal it is that we live in a nation where members of one party will do nothing about it but lie.

lie about the second amendment being attacked. say bizarre things about airplanes. say bizarre things about doors. will do anything but address the issue of our children being killed. >> i mean, joe, it's surreal, for sure, but, you know, much worse than that, it's one of the great kind of moral outrages of our time. really, every time -- we make fun of these people when they go on television and say it's video games or pornography or pot or, you know, we don't have prayer in schools anymore. something like that, all these issues that have nothing to do with the problem. all are distractions. all are asking people to chase the shiny object, chase the rabbit rather than focusing on the facts at hand. it's not -- they're mockable statements. they make no sense in the context of how gun violence works in other countries. when we mock them, we lose -- i

think we should mock them, but we also need to come back to the real point here, which is these numbers you just put up, they are -- i mean, they're -- it's not beyond surreal, it's just mind-blowing. it's kind of the -- to see it laid out there that plainly, you know, i think it is a thing where, you know, if there were any moral sensibility, if there were justice in the world, we would allocate our political efforts and our media coverage appropriate to this. it's not just that the numbers stack up that way. it's that you're talking about lives of children here. some of these cases, law enforcement officers take their jobs knowing they might get shot in the line of duty. military people volunteer knowing they might go to war. children have no choice in this matter. so the numbers are even -- it's even more appalling than the numbers suggest. i'll come back to my final thing after all this. we see all these discussions, and we continue to have them, i just continue to think there is, regardless of what happens in the senate and regardless of

what happens in the house or anything else that happens in the federal government, which i think, at the best, will be only a little bit and not enough, i think in the end, the answer, it still has to be people who do the things you're talking about, that you find outrageous and i find appalling in the way i do, they have to be defeated. they have to be beaten. people who care about this issue have to make it the focus of their political activism and the focus of their mobilization. go out and win elections to get these people out of federal office, out of state office, so sensible gun reform can happen. >> john heilemann and reverend al sharpton, thank you both very much for coming on this morning. coming up, what to expect from tonight's first primetime hearing of the committee investigating january 6th. how it plans on connecting donald trump's obsession with his election loss and repeated false claims of voter fraud to the attack on the capitol. plus, the chairman of the homeland security committee, senator gary peters, will be our

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it's the top of the hour. welcome back to the third hour of "morning joe." live look at capitol hill on a beautiful thursday morning. and right now, we're talking about what's happening tonight ahead of the blockbuster primetime event getting under way tonight at the capitol. the january 6th committee set to open its first hearing into the attack on the capitol, saying evidence will show donald trump played a central role in a conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election. mike barnicle and jonathan lemire are still with us. along with joe, willie, and me. it's been more than 500 day on the attack on the capitol. tonight, the first time, the committee investigating that attack will lay out for the american people what it has uncovered so far. joining us now, nbc news chief white house correspondent peter alexander. what should we expect tonight?

>> mika and joe, hello, and to the panel there. the images from that day now almost a year and a half ago are still haunting, but the impact of what happened here in washington on january 6th has begun to wane over that period of time. the committee tonight is hoping to reverse that. they say you're going to see never before seen evidence, including video, audio clips, including deposition from the family members of trump, jared kushner and ivanka trump expected to testify. they say it's going to show the ongoing threats to the american democracy. it'll also show the former president donald trump did, as you note, play a central role to the effort to try to overturn the 2020 election. >> reporter: it was the most violent attack on the u.s. capitol in more than 200 years. tonight, in the very building where it tookinvestigating the assault will lay out findings in vivid detail for the american people. >> it was a multi-level, multi-step process of trying to

negate, nullify, and destroy joe biden's majority in the electoral college. >> reporter: tonight's presentation, aides say, will serve as an opening statement of sorts, the first in a series of at least seven hearings to show that donald trump's obsession with his election loss and repeated false claims of voter fraud laid the foundation for the deadly siege. leading off tonight's hearing, expected to run two hours in primetime, new video of the attack, as well as live testimony from a british documentary filmmaker, embedded with members of the far-right group the proud boys, who captured the chaos. the night's first in-person witness, capitol police officer caroline edwards. >> i got it right in the eyes. >> reporter: officer edwards suffered a brain injury after she was knocked down by rioters. >> the images, the smells, the yelling, you know, the chaos, the blood, the -- i mean, it was -- that day was a war zone.

>> reporter: the committee is also expected to show recorded testimony from some of the other 1,000 key witnesses interviewed, including ivanka and her husband jared kushner. trump allies have relentlessly blasted the hearings, slamming it as a partisan witch hunt. >> this committee is not seeking the truth, it is a smear campaign. >> reporter: recordings from "this will not pass" shows kevin mccarthy, a week after the january 6th attack, on a call with gop members, criticizing mr. trump and speaking in support of a bipartisan commission to investigate the riot. that he and his party now oppose. >> we cannot just sweep this under the rug. we need to know why it happened, who did it, and people need to be held accountable for it. >> the committee says the investigation is not finished, that it is ongoing right now. we played you the mccarthy

audio. there is other new recordings we heard overnight, including from another top republican, a trump ally gamed debbie lesko, who was speaking january 5th, warning republicans that a day later,as trump supporters converged on the capitol, as soon as they realized the election wouldn't be overturned, they would, in her words, go nuts. >> hearing kevin mccarthy on tape expressing concerns in real time, and yesterday dismissing the committee as a political opposition. chief white house correspondent peter alexander, thank you so much. an armed man has been arrested near supreme court justice brett kavanaugh's home after threatening to kill him. official says 26-year-old nicholas john roske of california was anapprehended around 1:00 a.m., a block from the judge's house in maryland. he was armed with a pistol, a knife, pepper say, and burglary tools.

roske called 91 to turn himself in, telling the operator he was having suicidal thoughts and wanted to kill a specific justice. he was later charged with attempted murder of a u.s. judge. according to the affidavit filed in court, roske was angry from the leaked draft from the supreme court in the decision to overturn roe versus wade. he was also upset about the school shooting in uvalde, texas, and believed kavanaugh would vote to loosen gun laws. roske said, quote, he was thinking of how to give his life a purpose and thought he'd kill the justice. merrick garland condemned the incident, saying this behavior wouldn't be tolerated. adding, quote, we will do everything to prevent and hold people accountable. joining us now, chairman of the homeland security committee and member of the armed services committee, democratic senator gary peters of michigan. senator, good morning. a lot to talk to you about. let's begin with those hearings

and what you may expect to see out of the house select committee tonight and what you think their job is in presenting this new evidence. >> well, i think they have an incredibly important job. i think we're all waiting to see exactly what they put forward. as you'll recall, my committee did an investigation immediately after the attack on january 6th, so looking at security breaches, what we need to do in order to make sure an attack like what we saw on the capitol never occurs again. we made a number of recommendations for short-term fixes. what was very clear and what we talked about at the time was we needed a deeper investigation. what prompted all of these folks to descend on this capitol, in an attempt to disrupt the election process, to be engaged in an insurrection on the capitol grounds. what came out in our investigations is there was a lot of planning going on, a lot of chatter about folks coordinating to come here. the question is who was behind

that? what led to that coordination? who financed some of these folks? we know folks like the proud boys and oath keepers and other groups were intimately involved. there was long-term planning that went into their involvement here. who was ultimately behind it? i think what the american people are going to hear tonight, as well as in further hearings, will likely be incredibly troubling. it is important we get the information out because this can never happen again. we cannot allow this to happen in this country of ours. >> switching gears because there's so much going on, the senate having debate on gun reform measures. i know you're not part of the small group working on it now, but you will, of course, be casting a vote before long. we heard from your colleague senator murphy quite a bit, lowering expectations. right now, it seems talks are centering around red flag laws, expanding background checks. a lot of other measures democrats are hoping for seem to

be falling by the wayside. if that's where they end up, is that enough? >> it's certainly not enough in the long run. in the short run, we have to do something. there's not question that we have to show some positive momentum. there are things we must do, so i want to allow this group to come together with ideas, see if we can get the votes necessary to get it through is senate. we need 60 votes. 10 republicans on board. any progress is positive, but it is not going to be enough in the long run. we'll still have to do more. certainly, i would like to see us closing the incredible loopholes we have with the background checks. i'm a gun owner and believe in second amendment rights, but there are common sense things to do to close the loopholes. it's something over 80% of the american people believe we should do. i would hope we can get that in this package that will come before us.

there needs to be gun safety legislation in that. we need to make positive moves forward. understanding where we are now, the republican opposition we have seen to any type of gun safety laws going forward, whatever we can get now will be a positive step. i would hope that success breeds further success. let's see what happens in the next few days. >> senator, let's talk about the breaking news about brett kavanaugh and what happened outside of his home. talk about how that fits a wider, troubling trend of domestic terror and domestic terror threats. of course, the justice -- the man outside the justice's home turned himself in. called 911 and said he had suicidal thoughts, turned himself in. obviously, the wisconsin judge that was bound and shot to death, assassinated last week, not so fortunate. he had a kill list on him during the trump era.

there were several domestic terrorists. one a former coast guard, a member of the coast guard who had a kill list. democratic leaders, democratic presidential candidates, members of the media. his kill list along with just a massive amount of arms were found in his home. what can the federal government do? how can they coordinate with state governments to stop the domestic terrorism that seems to be more and more politically motivated from a sitting supreme court justice to a retired state court justice to members of congress to members of the media? >> well, you're absolutely right. we have seen an increase in these attacks and activities from domestic terrorism. in fact, if you talk to the fbi or the department of homeland security, they will all say that the number one terrorist threat

in this country now is domestic terrorism. certainly, we have to continue to keep our eye on foreign terrorism, but that's not where the significant threat lies. it lies from domestic attacks, particularly anti-government attacks. if you look at threats against folks elected in office or serving in public capacity, we're seeing these threats going down to the school board level, city council levels. there's an unprecedented number of threats against those of us who serve in congress. certainly, this all has to be condemned. we have to make sure that folks who engage in any of these activities are head accountable and are punished to the full extent of the law. we also need to be working in a very proactive way, similar to what we did when dealing with foreign terrorism with our intelligence services. making sure that the department of homeland security is attempting to track groups in particular that espouse dangerous ideologies. today we'll be doing a hearing in my committee talking about the insidious ideology of white

supremacy and replacement theory, and how it is stoking the recent attacks we've seen. in fact, the majority of attacks in domestic terrorism across the country are being propagated as a result of these kinds of insidious ideologies. then share the information. the federal government has an opportunity to collect the data, the intelligence necessary to try to identify individuals who could perhaps engage in violence. then work closely with local law enforcement. ultimately, it'll be local law enforcement that's the tip of the spear in order to prevent these attacks from occurring, apprehending potential attackers, and acting quickly and responding quickly when an attack actually occurs. it clearly has to be a state and local partnership with the federal government in order to deal with this increasing threat. >> senator, as you just pointed out, january 6th was a threat to the stability of our democracy, in the way we govern ourselves.

that threat continues up until right this very moment, as you just again pointed out. my question to you is, having access to some of the information and intelligence gathered by the january 6th committee, because america has an increasingly short attention span, is there anything that you know of that is a holy cow moment in what you know about the hearings, a moment that will make people say, wow, didn't know that? >> i think we'll let the hearings play out. i don't want to get ahead of what we'll see in the hearings in the coming days. i think it is important for everyone to get the complete story because the complete story is incredibly damaging. it is important to take a look at that and understand when folks hear that story, understand how fragile this democracy is. we can't necessarily rely on institutions by themselves if the american people themselves do not stand up and say, "we will never tolerate this type of

activity. we'll never allow attacks on the foundation of the democratic republic we have in this country." it is important for folks to look at it in its entirety. they'll hear a lot, see a lot, and i hope there is a widespread passion from the american people to understand that we all have a stake in the future of this country. we all have to speak out. we all have to condemn these actions. we all have to be vigilant every single day to make sure our democracy stays strong. >> chairman of the homeland security committee, senator gary peters, thank you very much for joining us this morning. we'll take a moment now for a look at the morning headlines across the country. the "connecticut post" reports that 16 school districts in the state have failed to file safety reports since the mass shooting at sandy hook elementary school. following the shooting, school districts in connecticut have been required to file annual reports indicating they have

conducted lockdown drills. but a new report has found some school districts have failed to file a report even once. in new york, the "times union" reports most school districts did not provide the mental health training required for all staff during the 2020 through 2021 school year. of the 20 school districts outside of new york city sampled in a new report, only two met the training components required by the state education department. in new hampshire, the "valley news" writes, breast milk banks are seeing a significant surge in donations of breast milk and money amid the nationwide shortage of infant formula. the surge follows a 60% drop in donations in march. and the "boston globe" highlights a grim, new report that reflects both the mental health toll of the pandemic and the pervasiveness of

fentanyl-contaminated drugs. the paper writes, more people died of opioid-related overdoses in massachusetts last year than any previous year on record. that is one story to watch. >> we talked about it yesterday. >> yes, you did. >> this is a growing crisis. >> right in front of our eyes. >> it is an epidemic. it has been for quite some time. our children and adults, their lives endangered every single day. still ahead on "morning joe," a ranking republican in the house compares gun legislation to banning planes after 9/11. >> hmm. and in that analogy he used, he actually did the bidding of people who actually support gun safety legislation. so, yeah, if he wants to keep talking about what we did surrounding airplanes after 9/11, all right, let's go in that direction. regulate it more. do things that keep americans

safe. that keep children safe. >> we'll play for you those comments from congressman steve scalise. and gas prices are inching higher each day. we're going to get to $5 a gallon. 19 states are already at $5 a gallon. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin has more insight on where prices are headed. >> it's not good news either. i mean, those prices are going to keep going up. plus, we're going to get an update from one of the hardest hit areas in ukraine. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. apped in a . this is art inspired by real stories of bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. this is where i want to be. call your doctor about sudden behavior changes or suicidal thoughts.

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of all those kids who were kill and the teachers killed out -- down in uvalde, texas. they stayed with me for almost four hours, over 200 of them, family and extended family. the stories they told and the

pain you could see of the faces just made you -- it's just -- it leaves such a -- shouldn't we demand every senator in the united states sit with those families? [ applause ] >> here's what has to happen, i'm not being facetious when i say this, you've got to make sure that this becomes a voting issue. >> on capitol hill yesterday, house lawmakers heard from those affected by recent mass shootings in buffalo and uvalde. survivors, victims' families, and first responders were among those who pleaded with members of the house oversight committee for meaningful action on new gun laws. nbc news national correspondent gabe gutierrez has the emotional

testimony. >> reporter: in one of the most chilling firsthand accounts so far of the uvalde massacre, 11-year-old mia described the unthinkable horror. the moment the gunman first approached her teacher. >> she got an email, then she went to go lock the door. he was in the hallway, and they made eye contact. then she went to -- back in the room and told us, "go hide. ". >> reporter: the fourth grader at robb elementary in a pre-recorded message told lawmakers how she and her classmates hid behind their teacher's desk before the gunman came into their room. >> it was adjoining classrooms, and he shot my teacher, told her good night and shot her in the head. then he shot some of my classmates. when i went to the back, he shot

my friend. and i thought he was going to come back to the room, so i grabbed the blood and i put it all over me. >> reporter: she says she smeared that blood from a fellow classmate on herself and played dead, hiding from the gunman. >> what'd you do after you put the blood on yourself? >> stayed quiet. i got my teacher's phone and called 911. >> what'd you tell 911? >> i told her that we needed help and to send the police into our classroom. >> reporter: law enforcement would not storm that classroom and take out the gunman for more than an hour. amid growing outrage over the actions of officers, the department justice announced a review of the police response to the shooting. >> if there is something you want people to know about that

day, or you, or things you want different, what would it be? >> to have security. >> do you feel safe at school? why not? >> because i don't want it to happen again. >> do you think it is going to happen again? >> reporter: deeply traumatized, she was not in the hearing room. her devastated father was. >> she's everything, not only for me, but for her siblings and her mother. i wish something would change, not only for our kids but every single kid in the world. schools are not safe anymore. >> reporter: dr. guerrero, uvalde's only pediatrician, rushed to the hospital. he'd hoped to find more survivors. they never came. >> what i did find was something no prayer will ever relieve. two children whose bodies had been pull ver rised, decapitated. the only clues to identities was

the cartoon clothes clinging to them. clinging to life and finding none. >> reporter: solace was also hard to find at the hearing. the mother of lexi rubio in agony. lexi hours before the shooting at the awards day. kimberly rubio promised her daughter they'd get ice cream to celebrate after school. >> i left my daughter at that school, and that decision will haunt me for the rest of my life. >> reporter: lawmakers debated restrictions many republicans oppose. >> what happened in uvalde, buffalo, tulsa, is as wrong as wrong could be. but the answer is not to destroy the second amendment. >> reporter: everything will depend on what happens with bipartisan negotiations in the senate. we spoke with everhard after her testimony. her son, zaire goodman, was shot at the buffalo supermarket. will today's hearing change minds? >> i hope so. they're trying to figure out what they can deal with and what they can't deal with. for me, that's a step forward. we said something today that

struck a nerve with them. >> you heard in gabe's report the anguish from the mother of lexi rubio. edgar sandoval writes this morning in "the new york times" that young lexi rubio had big dreams. she wanted to go to college, major in math, and attend law school. those dreams died, of course, along with lexi when her fourth grade classroom was turned into a war zone. lexi and 18 of her fourth grade friends were slaughtered by a military weapon more lethal than the ones we gave our soldiers to fight in the jungles of vietnam. but it was used in lexi's classroom. americans who died in the war in vietnam left behind parents and loved ones desperate to believe their child's sacrifice could make a difference. presidents would try to assure them. richard nixon wrote to the cummings who lost their son in war and said, "the only consolation i can offer is the

profound respect of the nation he died to serve. those who give their own lives to make the freedom of others possible live forever in honor." barack obama wrote to the parents of chief petty officer nicholas hall who lost his life in war a generation later and called their son, quote, a guardian of our liberty. and it is true embodiments of america's spirit of service to the cause greater than ourselves. yesterday, it was lexi's parents walking down a well-wor path, already trod by parents from columbine, sandy hook, parkland, and so many other schools. all of them, all of them through the years pleading with congress and their local elected officials to make their child's life and death a difference. to make it a difference in the

efforts to stop the bloodshed from guns that kill more children every year than the number of cops who are killed in the line of duty or soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines who are killed every year in combat. think about that. kimberly rubio spoke of seeing her daughter at an awards ceremony, one hour before she died. as a parent, i just can't imagine this. her last glance of her baby alive was when lexi turned back and smiled after her mom promised to take her out for ice cream later that night. quote, and then we left. we left my daughter at that school. kimberly remembered. that decision will haunt me for the rest of my life, she said. yesterday, lexi's mom said, somewhere else there, there is a mom listening to our testimony

and thinking, i can't even imagine their pain. not knowing that our reality will one day be hers. unless we act now. abraham lincoln also famously spoke of the war dead and made a commitment to those heros who lost their lives fighting to stitch a war back together. a country back together at war. when lincoln at gettysburg ended his address by saying, we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain. that these dead shall not die in vain. we'll be right back.

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a major legislative package on new gun measures is headed to the senate after passing the house yesterday by a 234-204 vote. lawmakers approved the protecting our kids act. the legislation is a collection of six new gun safety measures, including raising the minimum age to buy semiautomatic rifles from 18 to 21 years old. and requiring that all firearms be traceable. it is, however, unlikely to pass in the senate, where control is evenly split. >> before that vote, house republican leaders sent an email to gop lawmakers calling on them to vote against the bill. leadership called it the unconstitutional gun restrictions act. the memo sent by minority whip steve scalise was full of nra talking points, as well as a reminder, votes on the bill could impact donations from the

nra's victory fund. during a news conference, scalise, who is a victim of gun violence himself, shared more of his thoughts on the legislation in response to the uvalde shooting. >> what we saw, unfortunately, in the minutes and hours after by some people here in washington was a movement to promote their political agenda on the heels of that tragedy. what they were talking about the night of the shooting was trying to get congress to move a bill that had passed the house, a gun control bill, hr-8, that would have had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting. instead of focusing on some fundamental questions that ought to be asked every time there is a tragedy in this country, why did it happen? are there things we can do to prevent it? and i go back to september 11th. because on that tragic day, the country made a clear realization that dots weren't being connected. terrorist attacks were

happening, and the country didn't have the right focus on the fundamental core problems that were creating those attacks. airplanes were used that day as the weapon to kill thousands of people and to inflict terror on our country. there wasn't a conversation about banning airplanes. there was a conversation about connecting the dots. how can we try to figure out if there are signs we can see to stop the next attack from happening? >> where to begin there? next week -- >> oh, my god. >> five years next week, joe, scalise was critically injured, almost died in the mass shooting during the practice for the congressional baseball game. so we've heard prairie dogs and varmints and feral pigs and what about hunter biden and now why didn't we ban planes after 9/11? >> this is unspeakably stupid. >> you know, this really is. for people who really aren't familiar with constitutional law

and they don't understand the law behind the second amendment, the case law, two centuries of case law which was fairly quiet until, i believe, 2008 with heller, you don't understand that when these republicans are talking and saying, like jim jordan said on the house floor, that it was destroying the second amendment, this is like -- if you understand the law, this is like dialogue out of "dumb and dumber." this is lloyd christmas, gentleman lawyer. these arguments are insane. jonathan lemire, i hear the arguments from steve scalise. >> and he thinks people are stupid. >> they didn't ban airplanes. i'll tell you what they did do. but he knows this. >> i know. >> they all know this. tsa regulated the hell out of air travel. you had to take your shoes off. you had to go through four

grader screenings. i mean, everybody remembers after 9/11. you would get checked going into the airport. you'd get checked going through tsa. you would get checked at the gate. like, you had to get patted down. you're still getting patted down. liquids -- mika and i just traveled. liquids taken out. even, what, 21 years later, of our bags in one airport and thrown out, separated. they checked them. i mean, they have so hyperregulated air travel to stop another 9/11. guess what? it's worked. i guess what steve scalise is telling us is he is totally fine with the hyper regulation of guns. if his model is 9/11, progressives would say, bring it on. too much for me. hey, why don't we just do universal background checks that 90% of americans support? why don't we just raise the age

limit from 18 to 21 for weapons of war? more highly regulate those weapons of war, who can buy them, how they're stored, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. again, it is -- it's like lloyd christmas goes to congress. every argument from these republicans dumber than the last. >> they didn't ban airplanes, but they made it a lot harder to endanger someone on an airplane. that's the point of this. we're not going to ban guns either. they'll make it harder to endanger someone with them. it was richard reed, actually, the attempted shoe bomber a few months after 9/11. it was one incident of one guy trying to blow up something with his shoes. since then, every single person who steps foot on an airplane had to take off their shoes. one incident. we've had, sadly, hundreds of mass shootings this year alone. certainly, what we heard from scalise yesterday is further republican thought machine,

trying to deflect, distract. certainly, polling suggests the large percentage of americans are not with them on this. now it's a question of what can happen in the senate. certainly, the house passed a series of bills last night, six in total, with some sweeping restrictions. those, of course, none of them will become law. but there are efforts there in the senate where they think some things can get done. talks stalled a little bit. there is some optimism, both sides, that eventually this will get done. likely not this week, probably spill into next. there is that ticking clock. the longer this drags on, momentum will fade. before you know it, it'll be the july 4th recess for congress, then it is campaign season. there is urgency to get something done. they believe it will. aides in the process told me last night it is focused largely on small measures, expanding background checks, red flags, better than nothing, mika. will democrats have a chance to recast their midterm message?

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grandfather. [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: jaeger kept a diary of his war through the eyes of a 9-year-old, with columns of cartoon tanks, a russian helicopter destroying buildings, and setting the forests on fire. >> this is the burning forest? these are soldiers? they're shooting? [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: did you see a dead person on the street? did you see any bodies on the street? jaeger drew his house before it was bombed, and his grandfather with wings to carry him to heaven. he drew the food he wished he was having on his birthday. what kind of food was that?

[ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: an activist sneaked pictures of jaeger's diary out of mariupol and published them online. they gained fame, touching many ukrainians. the public's response gave helen the courage to risk escaping the city. [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: a network of activists, the details of their work secret, rescued the family last week. volunteers pretending to be russian sympathizers drove into mariupol and smuggled them and the book out of the city. in a daring escape inspired by memories no child should have. >> nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel reporting from ukraine for us. coming up next, what is driving the day on wall street? andrew ross sorkin has business before the bell. plus, how companies are addressing the supreme court's

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it's, i think, if a court overrules roe v. wade, and does what is draft -- >> what we've heard they will. >> if that occurs, we have to legislative it. we have to make sure we pass legislation making it a law that is federal government said this is how it works. >> in mother situation where most of the country is on the same page, something like 64% of americans do not want to see roe v. wade overturned. >> you know, there is a whole range of things that are at stake here when we talk about eliminating roe v. wade and all of the -- >> same same-sex marriage. >> it is ridiculous in my view and i don't think the country will stand for it. but i think we'll have to do

some executive orders that i could deploy, we're looking at that right now. but i want to -- >> deploy them. >> look. it is clear that if in fact the decision comes down the way it does and the states impose the limitations, it will cause a mini revolution. they'll vote these folks out of office. >> president biden speaking with jimmy kimmel yesterday. the potential for the overturn of roe v. wade has a number of u.s.-based companies looking to expand employee health benefits to include wider access to abortions, morning joe reporter daniela pierre bravo is here to explain why they may have a harder time dodging legal challenges ahead. daniela. >> good morning, mika. companies like starbucks and citigroup and amazon are including access to reproductive

health care services. so if an employee needs to seek abortion services outside of the state that restricts or limits abortion, they could count with this reimbursement for now. but there are a lot of questions about whether or not they could sustain benefits like these should roe v. wade be efr turned. and to what they extent they face legal liability for facilitating abortion services and they're meeting resistance from lawmakers. senator marco rubio will prevent companies from writing off the costs and yelp is another company, they covered abortion care but starting next month yelp employee will have benefits when they need to travel out of the state for abortion services. i spoke to chief diversity officer at yelp murial warren so was responsible behind the choice to expand this benefit to employees. listen to what she told me about

what influenced their decision. >> our employees have told us time and again that access to reproductive health care is important to them and important to their families and it is important to them that yelp speak out on this issue and take a stand on this issue. it is fundamentally n issue of inclusion. when you think about the ability for people to be successful in a company, one of the big things is they have to have autonomy over their own bodies and make decisions about their lives and when the threat of that taken away looms large, our employees count on us to not only safeguard them and their families but also for us to take a stand because we have a platform that could allow us to not only tell people what we believe, but also to try to nudge other companies along on the same path. as far as legal complications go, obviously we'll have to take the challenges as they come.

but at this moment, our most important priorities is the safe guarding of the health of our employees. >> and in our conversation, miriam mentioned something that i thought was interesting, which is this sort of shift in the employee/employer social contract that unfolded during the pandemic. companies have gone into people's homes and people have a higher expectation of their employers. so not just for a paycheck but a company who makes a stand for something that has a direct effect on their employees' lives and does something about what nir standing up to. and that may include, mika, going to bat legally for employees depending on how the supreme court ultimately votes. >> wow, it is amazing how some of the companies are stepping up so far. "morning joe" reporting daniela pierre bravo, thank you for that report. and you could read much more at know your value.com. thank you.

it is just about the tart of the 4th hour here on "morning joe." let's right to the news. hours from now the house committee will hold the first in a series of highly anticipated public hearings laying out its initial findings after gathering evidence for the past year. the prime time hearing is expected to be both an overview of the investigation, and a preview of the hearings to come. an aide tells nbc news it will be packed with new video, audio, and other information revealing a coordinated effort to overturn the 2020 election. and attempt to show that former donald trump was at the heart of the attack. it will include testimony from british filmmaker nick quest who recorded members of far right proud boys group as they stormed the building.

trump's daughter ivanka and son-in-law jared kushner served as senior white house advisers and both testified before the committee. a videotaped deposition of ivanka trump discussing conversations with her father could provide new insights about her father's mindset that day. nbc news chief white house correspondent peter alexander has more on what we should expect tonight. sfwlfrmgts it was the most vooilt attack on the u.s. attack in more than 200 years and tonight in the very building where it took place, the house committee investigating the assault will lay out the initial findings in vivid tail for the american people. >> it was a multilevel, multi-step process of trying to negate and nullify and destroy joe biden's majority in the electorate college. >> tonight is an opening statement of sorts. first in a series of severn hearings to