my understanding of what the house committee has done is going to be a benefit for the nation to understand how close we were to losing our democracy on january 6th, how close we were to having a coup on january 6th. things that we deplore in other countries around the world. so i think they're going to be able to do it in a very vivid time line that puts it all together in a very powerful presentation that the american people will understand and will hopefully rally to in terms of actions that need to be taken or ensure never happens again. >> senator bob menendez from new jersey, always a pleasure to see you. thank you very much for your time, sir. that wraps up the hour. thank you for the privilege of your time. peter alexander picks up with more news right now.

good morning. i'm peter alexander. we've live here on capitol hill, where tonight the house select committee investigating the january 6th attack here will hold its first hearing. it will take place in primetime. a chance for that committee to grab the attention of the american public to try to lay out its case. it has now been more than 500 days since the attack in this building. the images haunting. but the impact has been waning over time. the committee that hopes to show donald trump's election with his election loss and repeated false claims of voter fraud laid the foundation for the deadly siege. but as our meet the press first read team puts it, what if folks who watch tonight are part of nearly half americans who already believe donald trump was mainly responsible for what happened on january 6th? and what if the other half of americans do not tune in? the committee does have a lot of work that it has to get done tonight, try to make its case. there are going to be six hearings. i interviewed more than a

thousand witnesses to this point and received more than 140,000 documents. they're also likely hoping that many people will talk about videos like this. you're looking at new video from a documentary filmmaker who's expected to testify tonight. some of them shouting -- nancy pelosi minutes of she was evacuated by police. by the way, we are keeping an eye on the briefing from the speakers. her team is in the room. we're listening if news happens. we'll share it with you. also now i'm going to talk to the democratic congresswoman mad mad lien dean. and i'm going to talk to democratic congressman andy kim. he was notable in the moments after the riot. he was the man who grabbed a trash bag and started to clean

up, the lawmaker in effect protecting their space. his perspective on that day and what he expects to see tonight. but for the moment, we want to get right to our panel. we have sahil kapur. also joined by politico legal affairs reporter kyle cheney and moderator of "washington week." this all starts at 8:00 tonight. we know there's going to be at least two live witnesses. as we're told, the british documentary filmmaker who had been embedded with one of the far right groups. the first police officer injured. and now we hear there's going to be two officers from january 6th who walk in the room with some of the widows of the officers who lost their lives in the aftermath. what are we expecting? how should tonight play out? >> the committee hopes to paint

a vivid picture of the violence that occurred on january 6th, and connected to what they believe is a larger plot, a conspiracy to steal an election that went all the way up to then president trump. they're going use unseen footage, going the bring in new testimony, officers that defended the complex against the mob, including the widow of officer who is lost their lives. this is going to be a unique opportunity to speak to the american public, and there are a couple of types of americans, a couple voter they're trying to reach. >> what is that audience? who are they trying to get to? >> public opinion is calcified. they realize they're not going to reach a third of the community that's firmly in the corner of trump. but they want to reach open minded americans maybe who don't know so much about what happened an january 6th. they also want to reach those who may be sympathetic to their argument but haven't spent the last year and a half thinking about january 6th. what i hear from sources is they want to connect the dots, explain why everything is

linked. explain why trump's pressure on the justice department, the way he tried to pressure officials, is always connected to the violence. finally on the way here i spoke to a member of the committee who reminded me they are a legislative committee. they hope to put out recommendations so congress with act. >> i want to ask about, that what some of the goals are as the hearings play out over the month. we got an early look, some of the never before seen documentary footage. i want to show some now. let's take a quick look. >> i'm not allowed to say what's going to happen today because everyone's just going to have to watch for themselves. but, it's going to happen. something's going to happen. one way or the other. >> are you hearing how the committee plans to use this video and others, sort of deposition experts, interviews they did with jared kushner and ivanka trump to get folks to better understand what happened that day?

they have a former news executive who's been playing a role in presenting this. >> well, what the challenge that lawmakers are facing is the biggest challenge, which is can you capture the attention of the american people? a nation that is distracted with so many things, including a pandemic, high gas prices, inflation, so many -- crime in some cities. i was talking to an ethics lawyer who is very interest in the trying to make sure this committee does do that, does break through the noise americans are dealing with, and he told me there are two key things that have to happen. first there has to be a clear narrative, and new evidence that these lawmakers have been previewing and saying they are going to have that it needs to be able to be the kind of evidence that will make people want to watch, make people want to stop what they're doing, and look at the television. can't be a rehashing of the things we've seen. second thing is this should be trying to tie former president donald trump directly to january 6th and trying to explain to people why there's

still a danger going forward, that this isn't something in the past, it's something in the future. i talked to a voter this morning in d.c. and asked that person, are you going to be watching the hearings? that person said, what hearings? i said, the january 6th hearings. they said, are the hearings going to be about gas prices? that telling you everything you need to know about the challenge lawmakers are facing and republicans are not seeming concerned because you have election deniers that are winning primaries across the country. so on the gop side they are really feeling very, very comfortable with the idea that their voters have already decided what they're going to think about january 6th, and this committee hearing and the hearings in the future aren't going to change that. >> even as we hear new audio that chose kevin mccarthy in the day after january 6th effectively saying he would support a bipartisan commission, that they had to get to the bottom of this. kyle, i want to bring you into this conversation. in your latest reporting you refer to the former president mike pence as, the quote, january 6th hearings missing

man. you write the following. you say the panel has clearly wrestled with how to approach the former vice president, treading cautiously with questions around their intentions. how do you see the committee folding the former vice president mike pence into this narrative over the coming days? you report his counsel greg jacob plans to testify. what do you expect? >> i think they want to show that mike pence -- this is literally the vice president of the united states under donald trump was the victim, the ultimate victim, essentially, of the attempt to overturn the election, that he was the target of the mob and that wasn't by accident. that was because donald trump had built him up as a person who had the power to overturn the election, and then told that mob when he refused to do so that it was because he lacked courage. and he said that in the middle of -- ten minute after the mob had broken into building he tweeted that. i think the committee wants to

show the process by which mike pence concluded he did not have this power and how that played out in donald trump's mind and how donald trump used that to gin up and exacerbate what was already a dangerous situation. >> and kyle, as we noted before, nbc news got a hold of some of the brand new audio recordings of the book "this shall not pass". it include audio, debbie lessko of arizona. she's a trump conservative and raised concerns the day before january 6th, january 5th of 2021, here's what she says. listen. >> i'm actually very concern about this because we have who knows how many hundreds of thousands of people coming here. we have antifa. we also have, quite honestly, trump supporters who actually believe that we are going to overturn the election, and when that doesn't happen, most likely

will not happen, they are going to go nuts. >> they're going to go nuts, the word of debbie lesko. a trump ally, trump republican the day before january 6th. how significant is it to hear concerns like that from somebody who the former president backed, a vocal trump supporter? >> i mean, you know, it's kind of alarming to hear it again. there was a lot of concern about what the violence might look like on january 6th. i think people did expect street clashes. that's certainly what the intelligence showed, which turned out to be wrong. but when you hear that, you know that these people knew there was this potential for chaos, and potential for violence, driven by trump supporters, driven by people who thought the election could be overturned, and yet the president went forward with the rally and gave a speech in which he suggested, continued to suggest it could be done even when it was clear that it could

not. >> yammish, this is all goings the backdrop of a lot of challenges in the company, inflation, gas prices so high, and the political stakes just keep ramping up as we head into the summer and ultimately this fall with the midterms ahead. what do you anticipate? how does this play into that conversation as we look at the concerns among a lot of democrats that they could lose control of the house and possibly senate as well? >> well, it's a key question, peter, and it's a question that i have been posing to democrats and republicans. i was just texting with a democratic senator who really thinks that this is not going to play a big role, unfortunately, in his view, in the midterms, because he says people who call his office are calling for the gas prices, baby form lark about crime in their neighborhoods, how they can survive crime in america. and they're not thinking about what happened january 6th. this is a democrat saying he believes most americans have moved on from this. again, though, it come back to the idea, can these lawmakers try to break through? can these lawmakers make some

dent so months from now in november, which of course feels like a lifetime away in politics, people will go to the ballot and thinkb thinking about democracy possibly being in peril. that is the challenge here. when i talk to republicans, they do not feel concerned because their candidates are winning primaries, and winning primaries against people who are not calling out the 2020 election as being a fraud, which of course it is not. those republicans, though, that are following in the line of former president trump, they're able to have success, and as a result they're not very concerned about these hearings impacting their futures as well. >> yamiche, kyle, appreciate your firsthand reporting. joining us now, congressman madeliene dean, in the meantime manager for trump's second impeachment. >> good to be with you. >> that hearing in primetime later this evening. i want to get to a question a lot of americans are asking

right now, the so what? what do we get out of this? you know americans were furious about what happened on january 6th, they're going to be watching with outrage. the challenge is to get the other americans who may not have been persuaded or may not have paid a loft attention to it. what is success? how do you define these hearings would be successful? >> success is getting the truth to the american public. on the greatest attack on our capital, in our democracy, in our country's history. i was here on january 6th, and you note correctly that i was one of the impeachment managers for the second impeachment. we at that point painted a picture of what we knew at that time. in the meantime, this committee, a bipartisan committee with extraordinary colleagues of mine collected more than a thousand interviews, hundred of thousands of documents, texts, and what the american people deserve is the truth. what was the coordination for the planned attack on the seat of our democracy for the planned attempt to interrupt the peaceful of power to throw out

electors, dually elected electors, in order to retain power for one man? the american people deserve the truth. i fully expect they will get it. they will get incredible information about who was involved, who paid for it, who coordinated it, what did the president do, when did he do it, and what did he fail to do? >> we heard from adam kinzinger, liz cheney, he said the words will change history. if it doesn't change public opinion and doesn't create new laws, new action in congress, could it still be a success? could this still be a success in your eyes? >> i know it will be a success, and i don't measure success by, does it change what people thought in the past? people understand the precious nature of our democracy, that it's in peril -- >> will congress do something. >> exactly right. to reign in the deed of former president so we never face this again. >> that's my question, though,

will congress do something? >> i believe they will. i believe we will. i know my caucus is doing something. >> let me walk you through if i can a bit of the time line. that's a look back at the time line of events january 6th. i remember being white house on that day. we were watching the president's remarks. saw the protesters gathering. the speech started there at 12:00. if we move down the line, at 12:53 then, the outer security perimeter around the capitol was beginning to be breached. by 1:10, the former president trump wrapped up his remarks and from there we saw more than three hours of violence. wasn't until 4:17, just to bring people back to that day, wasn't until 4:17 the president, white house tweeted go home in peace. the time line is something the committee has been focused on. you you've kept an eye on this closely as an impeachment manager as well. how significant is that time line, that sort of breach of responsibility in the eyes of democrats, that the former

president didn't do more and didn't act sooner? >> it's probably the most damning and telling piece of information. can you imagine, his own vice president was in the capitol at that time, had to be whisked to safety along with all of us, all the leadership, all the people in the line of -- and he didn't speak for -- they didn't even speak, but he didn't do anything. can you imagine if any single lawmaker was under attack and an any other president -- barack obama, joe biden, ronald reagan -- did not act immediately to protect the safety of citizens of this country? let alone the entire congress. >> we know that this has been personal for you. it's something you have been passionate about, as evidenced by this conversation. you spoke passionately about it in the past and i want to play some of that sound for you if i can. >> we cannot just sweep this under the rug. >> not this. you were moved by it, became very emotional by it as well. if you just take me into your

head on this day. i've come up to the hill for both impeachment trials, in anticipation of these hearings. what does this day mean to you? how significant is this moment in american history? >> the day was terrorizing to me, but it was more terrifying to me because of what it meant to our country. i was in the gallery during the beginning of the insurrection, and i was there listening to some of the false challenge of arizona. and i tried to go back to my office but was told by capitol police, don't go back, there's a bomb threat. go back to wherever you were. i stood there in the gallery, arm in arm with -- shoulder to shoulder with dean phillips, as we said, shame. what are you doing? shame on you for making these false arguments when we were instructed to please sit down. then instructed to lie down. i went to the wall of the

gallery, and then they said, please take out your gas masks under your seat. i had no idea we had gas masks under our seat. then sadly, the terrifying banging on the chamber doors, those beautiful ceremonial doors that open for a president of head of state. that sound is a terrifying sound. i called family. i scared the heck out of them. i feel bad about that to this day. but as i said, i was more scared for our country that the peaceful transfer of power would interrupt in the this grievous way. i knew lives were in danger and i couldn't see the gravity of the attack on the capitol. we were inside. we heard the rotunda had been breached. put your gas mask on. tear gas had been deployed. we thought maybe 10, 15, 30 insurrectionists. hundreds and hundreds. and people died. our flag be the trump flag used to bludgeon capitol police

officers. and if they had gotten their hands on mike pence or any one of us, would have killed us. one of the saddest moments was when we were hauled out. jason crowe and others said, take your pin off. don't let them know who you are. >> jason crowe who serve in the combat overseas. >> literally and saved others as we tried to get out. he said, take your pin out. don't let them know you served. . they won't distinguish if you're republican or democrat. they're out for us. what's important to the american people, that threat isn't over. it wasn't 1/6, okay, we killed people, maimed others, we terrified everybody, and we're done? we're not done. we know the former president wants to do it again and he has people complicit around him who were participants. you'll learn who they were, and they will do it again, all for the single power of a single madman who knows nothing of our constitution, knew nothing of

his oath. >> congressman madeliene dean. glad you could with with us on this day. you probably recognize this image. it's the democratic congressman andy kim. he was picking up trash and debris in the capitol in the wake of that insurrection. what he is watching for in tonight's hearing. plus, we're going dig into the justice department's investigation into january 6th. what is the end game? and the january 6th committee has gotten hours of testimony. we could see more testimony from member of his own family tonight. but next, new reporting inside the trump world. how the son-in-law jared kushner tried to wash his hands of the former president before january 6th. you're watching msnbc live. salsa, and even belly dancing! i am a triathlete. i've always been into health, and wellness, and fitness... i tried everything with diet and exercise, and nothing worked. there was just kinda this stubborn area on my stomach. but coolsculpting worked for me! coolsculpting targets, freezes and eliminates

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committee, so i'll be watching just as everyone else is to see the presentation. i believe that tonight will be sort of an opening of the narration, the narrative of what happened as an assault on our democracy, on our constitution, on our capitol, on our congre in a very violent way for a specific purpose to undermine the constitution of the united states on a day set aside for the peaceful transfer of power. >> can i prere phrase that then? do you worry at all there is this chunk of people who decided the work of this committee isn't particularly important? >> i do not know that. i know that there are people who would like it to go away. some of them in this very congress, but i don't stipulate to what you have said. >> that's how house speaker nancy pelosi, moments ago from where we're standing.

how will the committee break through to the american public? they promise the present brand new evidence, including video you've never seen before to help make that happen, and some of that circumstantial evidence expected to include taped testimony from members of the former president app donald trump's only family, include his daughter ivanka trump, and son-in-law jared kushner, who both testified privately before the committee. and we have some new indications about what they might reveal. according to new reporting from peter baker of "the new york times," quote, no matter how vociferously mr. trump claimed otherwise, neither mr. kushner or ms. trump believed then or later the election had been stolen, according to people close to them. he adds, concluding that the president would not listen even to family members urging to accept the results, mr. kushner told mr. trump that he would not be involved if mr. rudy giuliani were in charge, effectively ceding the field to those who would try to overturn the

election. joining me now, peter baker, a friend of ours. this is your reporting. comes from your book alongside your wife susan glasser. it's jared kushner and not just jared kushner checking out, in effect, in the waning days of the trump white house when it was clear to him that the former president, that his father-in-law had lost. what kind of vacuum did that create for the conspiracy theorists, the rudy giulianis as it consider? >> one of the thing wes discovered in writing this book, we were struck by how many people around the president didn't believe the election was stolen but weren't willing to say so publicly, weren't willing to say so to the president and basically checked out of the fight. there was a day jsh jush decided it was a hopeless cause to try to convince the president of something he didn't want to listen to and weren't going fight the program against people like rudy giuliani, sidney

powell, all these others who were filling the president's ear with farcically false scenarios about stolen ballots and all of that. basically you had jared kushner, perhaps the most influential adviser, as you know, from four years covering the trump white house, within that building, ceding the field to these conspiracy theorists, deciding he was going to middle east to work on diplomacy, meet later who would be helpful to him in business after office. they made plans two days after the election to begin moving to miami, buying a house down there on an island. and really sort of checking out of the biggest fight of the trump administration. >> i think a lot of critics will see this as an effort to try to rehabilitate their image. ivanka trump and jared kushner saying it was a handoff approach. bottom line is it did leave a vacuum, allowed others to have access to the president of the united states. we will hear from jared kushner

and ivanka trump, their depositions being clipped as part of tonight's presentation. >> nobody heard their voices on this really extraordinary event in american history. secondly, i think, by the way, it goes to the rift, the schism within the president's own family. the same day jared kushner wake up and says to his wife, we're moving to miami. we're checking out. we're not going to be part a this fight. we're not going to fight rudy giuliani. don junior, the president's oldest son was sending a message to mark meadows saying, we should fight, raising the january 6th date two days after the election. this was not something that came up later. this is the beginning, the idea of challenging, something promoted by the president's own son just two days after the election. even as the son-in-law and daughter were saying, we don't want any part of this.

this isn't a fight we're going to have. >> and as you report and as sources close to jared kushner have repeatedly told me, they remind me and you he was travelog on a plane from middle east to washington the day of january 6th. he wasn't in the white house during those immediate hours after the attack. but notably, as you report for the first time, when he returned home, he got a call from the house republican minority leader kevin mccarthy saying you got to get into the white house right now. can you take us behind the scenes of some of those moments and what it sounded and looked like? >> exactly right. he came back on a plane, landed january 6th. headed home. was about to get into the shower when the phone rings. it's kevin mccarthy saying, we need help. kushner turns off the shower, gets dressed and heads down to the white house. by the time he gets there, it's too late. the wife ivanka convinced the president to put out a video. we all remember that, where he call on rioters to go home, but also tells them he loves them

and repeats the fraudulent election claims and basically presents this as if it was a righteous reaction to a stolen election. of course it wasn't. and by that point, kushner determined there was nothing more he could do that day. but i think it's important to remember that basically, you know, he was absent for a lot a this period. he did not fight back against giuliani and the others who were telling the president this stuff, because he concluded the president wasn't listening. but left the people like giuliani free reign to fill the presidency air with all these false reports of things that would lead to january 6th and the violence that day. >> mark meadows, rudy giuliani, sidney powell, a lot of voices in the president's ear in the oval office in those days and hours, frankly, that followed. peter baker, we pressure your time. thanks for speaking to us. >> thank you. tonight we're going the hear from one capitol police officer about her experience on january 6th. the committee hearing last july

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michigan was arrested today on misdemeanor charges related to the january 6th attack. the fbi raided ryan kelly's home in allendale, michigan. happened this morning. and joining me now is the former u.s. attorney harry hitman, and national security reporter for the "the washington post." that information is new to us here on msnbc. we're just learning about this arrest this morning. again, a republican candidate for governor in michigan. what more do you know about the circumstances of the arrest? >> a number of videos emerged in recent months suggesting that this individual, this man ryan kelly, had been more involved in the chaos on january 6th than previously thought. he has said he didn't cross any legal lines and he left when things got crazy. but there's been a number of videos that emerge where someone who look just like him appears to be egging on the crowd. and today this morning he was arrested and charged with misdemeanors. and that's significant both legally and politically, because

the primary is less than two months away. >> obviously these are just allegations at this time, but harry, it does demonstrate how this sort of belief system in many ways has, i think democrats would say, infected even the upcoming leaders in the republican party that you have a candidate for governor in the state of michigan who would have been here on that day, and that's part of their narrative, so to speak. what do you make of this, and sort of the justice department's challenges right now to try to keep up as they just continue to go through so much video evidence to try to find those responsible? >> that's right, and the question is now, how far and wide will it go? it is significant, even though he was at the demonstration. he's a state actor, peter, and this is the first time that someone at that level has been charged. and what's happening, basically, this week with the department is they've gone from the core

demonstrators on the ground. and they're broadening some and there's every reason to think they will go to the end of a seditious conspiracy charge. so, the enrique tarrio seditious conspiracy indictment from just a few days ago makes clear that the overall conspiracy begins shortly after the election. -- rather than make clear it's a planned event. so the really big question is going to be this, the big conspiracy on the ground, and now the ones that are going on at the state level or with attorneys for trump. do they join anywhere to make one grand conspiracy? but obviously the department is

expanding their scope, and they're not in a hurry, to the frustration of many, as the information comes in, including everything we're going to be hearing tonight and more from the committee. they will use to it build what's looking like one of the biggest cases in department of justice history. >> for those who are not familiar with the name enrique tarrio, he was head of the proud boys. he and four other proud baysing a far right extremist spear cyst group who were indicted this week by the justice department. i think it was a federal grand jury on this new seditious conspiracy charge. devlin, to you more broadly, i want to get into the unique relationship we're witnessing taking place between the justice department and congress. a lot of times it's the justice department that's acting first and congress that's begging them for information. this time around you have congress leading the way, and there is some cooperation between the two. can you talk about the uniqueness of that situation and how it plays into what we're watching? >> yeah, in some ways it's a

tricky difficult relationship, because the justice department has to bring cases they can show to a judge and jury are not part of the political process. so you have this difficult dance sometimes where the congressional investigation is going and covering some of the same ground that the criminal investigation is covering. and there hasn't been a lot of communication or information sharing back and forth between those two. we saw last month, for example, that the justice department formally asked the committee, can you please give us the transcripts of your interviews? that hand happened yet. i think that speaks to the distance between those two things. that distance isn't necessarily bad. they serve different functions. i think what you're going to see tonight is about trying to give a fuller picture to the american public of what exactly happened and why it was bad. >> harry, a federal judge just ordered john eastman -- it's a name a lot of folks people have heard. he was the trump lawyer who

wrote the memos arguing mike pence could then overturn the 2020 election. we know that's not true. they've ordered him to turn over 170 documents to the committee. does this mean this committee continues now? committee members say they have a long way to go. what do you think we could learn from some of those documents and the role that john eastman played? >> it does mean, that because when people resisted and had to go to court, the court takes its own process. but this is a pretty significant ruling. here he finds another document as evidence of a crime, because it shows eastman and his coconspirators purposely trying to evade the courts. so that's one that is actually turned over, accord to the so-called crime fraud exception. but there's another almost 200 that judge carter says that's not protected by attorney/client

privilege. it involves meetings with congress. it involves stuff with giuliani. so it is back to the -- what devlin was talking about, it is within the doj, the very sort of epicenter of what could be expanding in time, all the way back to november and all the way up to january 6th from the beginning and scope. many more actors -- state actors and actors in congress, one of the documents concerns meetings with people in congress who are obviously fellow believers and travelers here. >> harry litman, devlin barrett. coming up next, senate negotiates try to hammer out a deal on gun legislation that can get 60 votes, the president has a message for those frustrated americans who are demanding action on gun violence. >> you got to make sure this this becomes a voting issue. it's got to be one of those issues where you decide your

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we are just hours away from the first primetime hearing on the january 6th attack, but another issue of course is dominating the conversation here on capitol hill this week. hammering out a deal on gun safety reform. overnight, the house passed a series of new gun measures, including raising the age to buy a semiautomatic weapon from 18 to 21. here's a significant note about that. only five republicans voted for it, and only one of those republicans is running for re-election. it means that the deal is unlikely to go anywhere in the split senate, so can that bipartisan group of senators still reach an agreement of their own on anything on this issue. joining us not too far from me is alley vitale.

can you give us a sense of the momentum on this? how likely it is any of this comes to fruition? >> reporter: this is a week where the hearings tried to keep the momentum on. the senate and house both having heart wrenching hearings on this issue over the last two days. it culminated in a vote last night and another this morning on a series of gun violence prevention issues. the ones last night did things like raising the age of purchase to 21 from 18, getting rid of ghost guns. but today they did something on red flag laws, incentivizing states to put in programs that can be seen as an early intervention. it's notable because it's one of the few places of overlap between house and senate. lawmakers are hearing from their constituents. listen to what chris murphy said. >> i think that we can put together a package that will get

more than ten republican votes, and again, the reason for that is the demand from their constituents. you have seen news reports in cnn about senators from very conservative states who are considering voting for this because they have been deluged by phone calls from parents telling them that they need to step up and do something about this. >> reporter: peter one of the people getting those phone calls, in a republican state, senator lumis. she says she's looking forward to what the bipartisan group coming up with. there had been talk about getting something together by the end of this week. it does not appear based on our conversations like that is going to happen. nevertheless senate majority leader chris murphy said he spoke with someone this morning. means next week we get to do this all over again and see how negotiations are progressing.

>> senator lumis, the junior senator from the state of wyoming. ali, thank you. it was one of the most memorable images in the aftermath of the january 6th attack. this is congressman andy kim helping to clean up the mess left behind by those mess. i'm going to speak to him about how he remembers that day and what he is expecting tonight. you are watching msnbc live. no, he's seizing the moment with merrill. moving his money into his investment account in real time and that's... how you collect coins. your money never stops working for you with merrill, a bank of america company. i grew up an athlete, i rode horses... i really do take care of myself. i try to stay in shape. that's really important, especially as you age. i noticed after kids that my body totally changed. i started noticing a little pudge. so i took action! coolsculpting targets, freezes and eliminates treated fat for good. no needles, no incisions. discuss coolsculpting with your provider.

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>> the republican leader talking about the process of the committee's work but not what we saw the day of the attack, broken windows, trashed offices and debris all across the u.s. capitol. we heard new audio from him overnight from the days after january 6 saying that it was critical that a bipartisan commission get to the bottom of this. soon afterward, we saw this photo of the new jersey congressman andy kim gathering garbage throughout the rotunda, beginning that cleanup process, what he described as a simple act of service. joining me now is congressman kim. it's nice to be with you. we appreciate what you did on that day. as you look back on almost a year and a half ago and you prepare for these hearings tonight, what are your memories and what do you hope becomes of the hearing? >> when i think back on that day, what happened there at the capitol, it's surreal. it's still something that just

is crazy that we lived through this kind of experience and we witnessed it on our watch. we literally saw americans fighting other americans in the united states capitol building where george washington laid the cornerstone, defiled and disgraced. i consider that building sacred ground in our country. for us to still be debating what happened, for us not to have that american story that is still something that is going to haunt us at this moment. >> what do you hope happens tonight? the biggest challenge is that americans who are outraged, furious by january 6, they have heard a lot of the details. they have seen the video. the challenge is so many other americans who have tuned out, made up their mind or have gotten their information from other sources that have dismissed it as a nothing. >> i'm a democrat that republicans a district that president trump won twice. i have engage with people that have different opinions about what happened that day. for us, we need an american story. we need to have the truth. you cannot have reconciliation without truth. you cannot move on without truth.

i have been obsessed over the last year and a half with this fundamental question of, how do we heal this country? you cannot get there without having some marker of truth. >> i read that. i was reading about you before this conversation. you were quoted as saying that six months ago. now that time has passed, we have moved forward in some ways, are we making any progress? what does need to change? what real things can happen for those who are paying attention to this that will help resolve those questions? >> we need to tie what's happening here in d.c., what happened that day to the lives of the american people. people in my district, around this country they think government is broken. it's not working for them. in many ways, they are right. what the problem is that we got leaders in political office that are putting their own personal ambitions, their own elections and their pursuit of power over the service to the country. i believe we need to reorient

our politics. we need to move it to something about service, something that recognizes we are caretakers for the country. that's something i learned that day on january 6, that we are a caretaker for this building, for that country. i hope that this story and what comes out from it lets the american people know that there is still something important with our government about service to this country. and there are public servants trying to do the right thing. >> the conversations with other loved ones and for you is how you engage with those whose view of what happened and their view of the way government works and the government should work is so different, how do you engage with those who basically brush off january 6 as nothing? >> look, i engage with them by trying to find areas of commonality. i hope every american in this country loves that building as much as i do, as much as you do. we start from that. recognizing this is sacred

ground. george washington did lay the cornerstone. none of us would want to see our government institutions defiled in that way. i swore an oath to protect and defend the constitution. that building is the physical manifestation of article 1. move forward. it's not just about what happened that day but making sure that day never happens again and our democracy is safe. >> your pride in that building, your sacrifice for democracy, your service on its behalf, we appreciate you. it's nice to see you. >> thank you. >> thank you for being here. by the way, tonight we want you to join msnbc for a special coverage of the january 6 hearings. it begins at 7:00 p.m. watch the hearings with the expert analysis from rachel, joy, nicole live here on msnbc. also available on peacock. that's going to do it for me from here on capitol hill. andrea mitchell picks up our coverage live next. ive next

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