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keep donald trump in the white house. >> i don't think anybody has put the whole thing together. certainly, it is eye-opening for me to see the story that we are about to tell america. >> we're going to find out some information, some may not be good, some may not be pleasant, but we're going to find out some things that we didn't know 24 hours ago. that could possibly shape the future of this country. i'm a little anxious to see what happens there. >> they have been hard at work doing their patriotic duty to seek the truth. we will see that revealed. i kept my distance from the committee. so i will be watching just as everyone else is. >> joining me now is nbc's senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake, kristin welker and justice reporter ryan reilly. garrett, a big day on the hill.

i want to play video by a documentarian. it's his footage that will factor into his testimony when he is the first witness up tonight. >> freedom! >> i am not allowed to say what's going to happen today, because everyone is just going to have to watch for themselves. it's going to happen. something is going to happen. one way or the other. >> we have stormed the capitol! >> right on! >> garrett, you have been getting latest information leading up to tonight's hearing. what can you tell us? what surprises, what is new? >> the bottom line is that tonight's hearing is meant to be more like a courtroom opening argument and while the committee might hint at some of the new information, i don't expect there to be the huge bombshells

tonight. i think we will see, as that video shows, new angles on what has been reported here. that video, i have watched all of it. it gets quite violent, quite up close and personal with the attack on police officers in particular that have been such a part of this. we will hear from caroline edwards, a police officer who was injured on that day, suffered a traumatic brain injury. is not back to full duty. we will hear from some trump family members even. the closest associates of the former president who gave videotaped depositions to the committee. i think hearing from some of those voices, ivanka or jared, some of the other folks in the trump inner circle telling their version of what happened on that day will be new, will be different. the committee hopes it will break through to the chunk of americans who have tuned this story out. i asked speaker pelosi about that. she dismissed the idea. it is a challenge for the committee that the people who watch this not just be folked who have followed it but be the kind of people who they are

hoping to convince who don't feel this way that there is an ongoing threat here. the other thing to keep in mind is the investigative work of the committee continues even still. they are trying to interview more people. they are trying to line up live witnesses. we learned today that brad raffensperger will be one of the live witnesses at a future hearing as the committee tries to break out the individual pressure points and pivot points in what they believe was a criminal conspiracy that went from november all the way through the events of the day. >> kristin welker, we will hear from top former aides to mike pence about the pressure on him and the threats to him. the threats that we are now learning more about. there was the hang mike pence chants from the crowd. even the noose that was put up outside the capitol on the ground. >> there's no doubt hearing from the former vice president,

seeing new images, will have an impact. the question is, how large will that impact be? i am told that president biden, who is currently traveling, of course, in california for the summit of americas, you could expect him to catch some pieces of the hearing tonight. democrats and republicans will be watching closely as well, particularly with the midterms looming. what if any impact could these critical historic hearings have on the races that are just a short time away? i have been talking to top democrats who say it could reaffirm the case they are trying to make that some of the candidates who have been endorsed by former president trump essentially didn't turn away from what happened that day, that threat to the u.s. democracy. if you look at the numbers, it underscores how sharply divided this country is and how tough it may be to change and impact some hearts and minds. in the days after january 6, 52% of americans according to our

political unit held former president trump responsible for the events that day. that number dropped to 45%. could that new testimony that you talked about, the new images that garrett described, could that have an impact and increase those figures? we will wait and see. republicans watching closely as well. will undoubtedly try to dismiss some of this and try to pivot to the broader issues that americans care about, like inflation, like the economy, like those high gas prices. both sides will be watching quite closely to see if any of this new material changes hearts and minds. >> tonight is the only one of the hearings that's planned as primetime, to reach a different audience than the audience that they will reach during the daytime, the six other hearings. ryan, a lot of this focus has been on the hearings themselves. we are learning about new arrests today connected to the capitol riot and to the ongoing efforts that the democrats claim

are efforts to overturn current and future elections. >> yeah. there are two new cases against individuals who have long been identified by online sleuths. one is a d.c. chiropractor whose office is four grounds from the capitol. he was identified by online sleuths last summer and was sued by the widow of a law enforcement officer who died by suicide shortly after the january 6 attacks. this was an individual who has long been known to the fbi. the fbi surveilled him. they have actually picked him up and were at his office last night. he is set to be arranged this afternoon. on the other end, you have a gubernatorial candidate from michigan who is now arrested. ryan kelly who was identified by online sleuths. there's no evidence he went into the building. but the new criminal charge that came out describes how he was encouraging people to go into the building and was involved in

some of the skirmishes. there's video of him waving people in. there aren't that many cases against individuals who didn't enter the capitol grounds. it's a unique case here. given the role he played in encouraging the mob, that's what stuck him out from the other individuals, thousands of individuals who were on the grounds of the capitol that day. 8 820 arrests, the total number of people that went inside is more than 2,500. then there are hundreds of people on the fbi's website who have not yet been arrested who the fbi says assaulted law enforcement that day. >> garrett, kristin, ryan, thanks. amy klobuchar joins me now. i want to start with expectations. let's talk about this evening. it's very clear this committee is not supposed to be doing a legal explanation of

prosecutions. in fact, there are some experts who say they shouldn't refer cases to the justice department. that's for the justice department. this is not a criminal proceeding. it's civil. it's evidentiary. it's to find out for the historical record and the record ongoing. it's a different standard than a hearing that's supposed to develop evidence for prosecution. correct? >> andrea, this was an attack on american. it is congress' job. it wasn't just an attack on a building, even as horrific it was and the injuries you will hear about tonight. it was an attack on our democracy on america. i think it's so important to get those facts out. we had a hearing, bipartisan hearing just like this one is, in the senate to look at the security and all of the breakdowns. that was televised. people tuned in. we made some dramatic changes in terms of personnel and security at the capitol. that's what happened in the senate. the house is looking at the root causes of this. the conspiracy behind it.

giving us witnesses that we have never heard from before. i think it's very important for america to tune in to get this information, because this is an ongoing conspiracy. you've got things, you've got attacks from right supremacists going on. you have got voter suppression laws passing across the country. you have tons of disinformation still out there on social media being targeted at people. to understand that, you can't just look at it in a vacuum. you have to understand where it started and how we got to where we are. >> it's really to set off alarm bells. one of the problems is that our polling tells us that people who were outraged by this or concerned by it are less concerned, less focused on it all of these months later. i want to give you some of the pushback from senator mcconnell tweeting, democrats want to stage a spectacle about opposing

political violence, but house democrats, president biden and attorney general garland, are intentionally blocking and ignoring basic steps to prevent political violence and illegal intimidation of the supreme court. i have back story here. i know what they are talking about, what they are alleging is the speaker -- i haven't been able to check with the house side right now. they claim that the house is sitting on legislation to provide more security to the supreme court justices, especially since the protests after the abortion raft was leaked. we saw what happened, the allegations against the man arrested outside justice kavanaugh's house. i thought the senate was moving ahead in a bipartisan way on this. i know that attorney general garland said yesterday that they have created more house -- home security for all of the justices since those events. >> they have. >> can you clear this up?

>> at the hearing today, i condemned this very serious threat, as did many of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle. the senate isn't just working on the bill. the senate passed the bill. several of us have been in communication with the house to get it done. it would improve things in order to allow the justices to have additional security when they go out on the town, similar to what the capitol police, some of the abilities they have to provide security. it's very important to pass. let's be clear, there's been beefed up security. i would guess that's one of the reasons why this very serious threat was caught and stopped in its tracks. this is serious stuff. it should not be any kind of a dodge from what's the matter at hand. because to me, these threats on our democracy and the violence we are seeing and what we just saw in buffalo, i guess what i would say to senator mcconnell and what we saw in texas is, okay, yes, the house must pass

this bill and they will. but let's get the gun legislation on the agenda. let's do something about 18 to 21-year-olds that can't get a beer, that they shouldn't be able to buy an assault weapon. let's move ahead and make sure that we are protecting our democracy so we pass the freedom to vote act. if you want to take this in a bigger way, and not just zero in on something that will take us away from what's happening tonight, i think you gotta look at our democracy as a whole and the threats on our democracy and get these things done. >> to that very point, the president was on with jimmy kimmel live last night on abc and was asked about something a lot of people who support some kind of -- more gun safety raising the age, limiting those big magazines. if the senate doesn't act, why not? why not executive orders from the president? here is what the president had to say last night. >> can't you issue an executive

order? trump passed those out like halloween candy. >> i have within the power of the presidency to deal with these -- everything having to do with guns, gun ownership, whether or not you have to have a waiting -- all the things that are within my power. what i don't want to do -- i'm not being facetious. i don't want to emulate trump's abuse of the constitution. >> can't he do more by executive order? >> i'm sure he will do everything that he can. the bottom line is, when you look at the supreme court decisions, they open the door to congress actually doing something. i think it is on us. there have been changes to the background checks that presidents have done, that president obama did, after virginia tech. we have seen changes to what the president can do. the bottom line is, congress, congress and the u.s. senate, and negotiations going on right

now, change the background check, close loopholes, make sure there's adequate background checks. we can raise the age for assault weapons. i would ban them, but at least we can raise the age. we can close the boyfriend loophole federally because a lot of states are still allowing people who are convicted of domestic abuse to go out and get a gun. that's my bill. we can finally do something when it comes to extreme risk orders or as they are known red flag laws. all of these things are on the table. i think the best way to do it, have it be upheld constitutionally by the u.s. supreme court is to get their act together. i say to my colleagues on the republican side, if they are not willing to do that after we saw those families come and testify or the dad goes to a grocery store in buffalo to get a birthday cake for a son and never comes back, when are they going to be willing to do it? if they won't, we have to march to the ballot box and make the point there.

>> before i let you go, i want to ask you about some bipartisan legislation with senator grassley you have. a push to try to begin to level the playing field in the tech sector. explain. >> yes. the era of just trust us when it comes to big tech is done. it's over. whether it's the whistle-blower, privacy or competition problems, these gatekeeper companies are monopolies. they have given us some great products. we don't want to see them go away. what we want is competition. they literally are displaying vertical domination on their platforms. what senator grassley and i and a bipartisan group of authors that are the oceans 11 of co-sponsors is that you can't put your own stuff at the top of your platform all the time. you can't copy non-private data and then rip off the products and create your own products

that are rip-offs and put it on your platform. you can't require small businesses to buy stuff just to get put at the top of your platform. that's what this is about. it's about protecting competition. we are headed to the floor. we have been promised a vote by senator schumer in early summer. representative cicilline and buck did a 16-month investigation and are ready to work with us and pass the same bill. we finally, for the first time since the advent of the internet, are headed to the u.s. senate floor after passing this out of the judiciary committee 16-6, despite tens of millions of dollars spent against us. thousands of lawyers and lobbyists against us. $22 million just spent in one week in ads against this bill. that's what monopolies do, bullies do. congress is finally ready to stand up and take it on. >> amy klobuchar, thank you so much for being on top of all of these things from the senate

judiciary committee. >> thank you. the lasting damage. for the first responders at the capitol on january 6, the pain of that day continues. next, what one officer injured by rioters wants the american people to remember, to learn from tonight's hearing. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. something epi! so we're giving every business, our best deals on every iphone - including the iphone 13 pro with 5g. that's the one with the amazing camera? yep! every business deserves it... like one's that re-opened! hi, we have an appointment. and every new business that just opened! like aromatherapy rugs! i'll take one in blue please! it's not complicated. at&t is giving new and existing business customers our best deals on every iphone. ♪ ♪ why hide your skin if dupixent has your moderate-to-severe eczema, or atopic dermatitis under control? hide my skin? not me. because dupixent targets a root cause of eczema,

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a lot of focus on this. how are you doing? >> i'm well. i'm going to be at the hearing tonight. i'm looking forward to hearing what they have to say. >> how do you feel when you see the video and hear the sounds? does that bring it all back? >> yeah. i mean, the video has been around so much now. it doesn't have the effect that it used to. definitely, seeing footage from that day makes my heart rate shoot up. makes me remember everything that went down. yeah, it's difficult. it's important to see. >> there's going to be new video tonight. new video showing allegedly the planning, the proud boys in a garage under this building and what led up to it. do you have any nervousness about that, seeing all that? >> not nervousness. it doesn't feel appropriate to

say excitement. but i'm definitely looking forward to the truth. i want to know who, what, where, when, why, regardless who was involved. i think it's important that the rest of the country hear that as well. >> first of all, our own polling showing that people are less concerned about it than they were immediately after january 6. as time has gone by, they are worried about gas prices and other kitchen table problems. politics have only gotten worse. what do you say to the american people who say, that was then, this is now? why should they be concerned? >> it was then and it is now. these people are still conspireing. they talk about it all the time. they're getting -- even the ones we have arrested are talking amongst themselves. this is going -- has the

potential to impact you in a more severe way down the line. it's important that we look it in the face now and address it now before it happens again and potentially happens with the worst outcome. >> we lost five officers in the aftermath. the emotional burden that all of you carry is really a great sacrifice. do people understand that, the american people? >> a lot of people do. i've gotten letters of support. it's always very heartening to hear people trying to reach out to you in solidarity. i'm very grateful for that. >> there have been a lot of leadership changes, even since last july when you testified. at the first hearings. are things better in terms of coordination, do you think? command and control. >> you mean with pd?

>> from your interaction with capitol police. >> i have not worked anything like january 6 since then. >> thank goodness. >> yeah. thank goodness. i can't really speak to whether or not things have changed too much with regard to our interaction with the capitol police, it brought a focus on how we work with them and our riot control efforts. i'm confident with our leadership, they are doing everything they can to strengthen our response. >> what do you make of some of the republican leaders, some of whom were alarmed then that day, but have completely flipped sense saying that this is a spectacle, don't watch it, it's not important, it's all politics? >> i don't know how they sleep at night. it's incredibly transparent

how -- what they're trying to do. they have to know how important this is. they have to know. but they're just trying to -- i don't know. i don't know what they value. is it their jobs? is it money? what makes you so -- what make makes you want to keep the truth from coming to light that you are willing to put lies out there constantly and mislead the people? i don't get it. i don't. i hope that they don't get their way. that's about all i can say about that. >> this make you angry? >> absolutely, yeah. i don't know -- looking at the capitol building right now, i don't know how they can go there every day and do the job they do and experience what happened on

january 6th and then go turn around and tell the american people, this isn't important, this doesn't matter. >> what do you think motivated the rioters? maybe it's hard to generalize. do you think that there was an organized conspiracy? >> absolutely. not every single one of the 30,000 people there signed a manifesto. but a significant number of them were going there for more than to listen to politicians speak in a park. you know? they were there for violence and they got it. thankfully, they did not achieve their aims in terms of killing members of congress or the vice president. but they definitely knew what they were there for. >> the reports that the president was sitting and watching and just about cheering them on and resisting pressure

even from his own daughter to put out a statement and call off the dogs. >> yeah, that's unfortunately quite believable. i was just looking at him on the tv before i walked in here. i was thinking, there's really no redeeming values about that man. just his response to his own government being assaulted, it's incredible. i don't know -- i don't know how he managed to con so many american people into siding with him and defending him. it's mind blowing. >> we will be thinking about you tonight. you and your colleagues, the other officers who are going tonight, and who went through this and suffered so much on behalf of all of us, thank you very much. thank you for your service. >> thank you for having me.

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who plans to watch the hearing tonight? >> republican leader kevin mccarthy attacking the january 6 committee despite calling for full accountability in the days just after the attack. as reported in a new book by "the new york times" jonathan martin and alex burns. listen to the sound. >> we cannot just sweep this under the rug. we need to know why it happened, who did it and people need to be held accountable for it. i'm committed to make sure that happens. >> mccarthy now standing united with donald trump in his request for speakership. that was a photo taken after those words. joining me two people who were there. a former cia officer and an arizona congressman. congressman, what do you think happened to kevin mccarthy

between january 6 and now? >> he lost his courage. he cared more about politics and being able to hold potential power of becoming speaker and gaining seats. he realizes that the republican party cannot really exist without donald trump and donald trump's base. he struck a deal with literally the devil in order to continue for him to have any chance of being speaker and potentially bring donald trump back. he chose his personal political career versus saving democracy. the lowest thing you could do as a politician. >> congresswoman, do you think the hearing tonight is going to change any minds? >> i think the purpose of the hearing is to bring to light what happened in the days leading up to the january 6 insurrection, to explain and tell the story that this

investigation has drawn out of what were the reasons behind it, who came together, how was it orchestrates, what motivated it, what was the intention and what was the impact? we have had one public hearing where police officers from capitol police and metropolitan spoke of their tales as they endeavored to protect the lives of everyone within the capitol building and importantly our very democracy. continuing on with these public hearings is going to be important in bringing forward the stories leading up to that day and explaining, frankly, as kevin mccarthy said, it's about accountability. it's about knowing why it happened, how it happened and holding people accountable. >> as a veteran, what was going through your mind during the assault itself? >> can you say that again? >> what was going through your mind during the assault? you had been in combat.

what was it like to experience an insurrection like that in the very place -- the place of democracy? >> i wanted to assess what danger we were in. i couldn't tell if there were weapons involved. did they bring weapons? we did not know they had taken hostages. i was trying to figure out where i could find my own weapon and try to speak to other members on the floor about getting ready to both fight or also to flee. i knew at some point they were going to have to make us move. my concerns were, how do we get people out of there, especially those that are older, slower? at the same time, my other concern is, how are we going to make sure that we finish the job? once we left that floor and abigail and i caught up later in a secure room, we had to secure journalists that were also in danger. at the same time, we were trying to figure out how to get back to

the floor and make sure they not evacuate us from the floor in case there was further attempt at stopping the safe transfer of power. there was a lot going through my mind. i thought more as a young corporal than as a congressman. thinking about how to protect my men, my women, my colleagues, the staff and more importantly to uphold the duty that abigail and i swore to as members of congress and as in service to the country, to protect the constitution of the united states from all enemies foreign and within. unfortunately, that day was from within. >> i know for a fact to both of you that both of you singularly helped our colleagues who were there, friends and colleagues of ours and helped hide them when even the capitol police were not letting them go into the hidden places. to get them out of there safely.

we will always be grateful to you for that. congresswoman, our latest poll showing that the percentage of people who think donald trump is responsible for the attacks is dropping from january to may of this year alone, a nearly 10-point drop among those who think that he is solely responsible and an increase in the number of people who think he is not responsible at all. do you think these hearings can make people understand how critical this is as an ongoing threat to democracy? >> i think the ongoing threat to democracy is a clear one. on january 6, we, members of the united states congress, were there to certify the 2020 elections. there was a coordinated effort to stop us from doing that. that's the threat that existed on that day in 2021, on january 6, and frankly, we have to understand how it happened, what led to it, who instigated it,

who gave cover and gave inspiration to those efforts, because we as members of congress, into the future long past the point in time when rubin and i are serving, will have to continue to certify the elections every four years as they occur, and we need to ensure what we saw on january 6, 2021, never occurs into the future. certainly in the days following the insurrection, we heard from colleagues, democrats, republicans alike, about the responsibility that donald trump wore in creating not only the circumstance but in unsti gae -- instigating the attack. we heard it throughout the initial impeachment or the second impeachment trial. this hearing will be important. the series of hearings and the written report as well will be important to establish for the

record what happened, who bears responsibility. that does include the former president. >> congresswoman from virginia, congressman, thank you very much. >> thank you. moving the needle. with rising inflation, gun violence, more weighing on americans, will the january 6 hearings have an impact? that's next. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. hellc we believe there's an innovator in all of us. that's why we build technology that helps everyone come to the table and do more incredible things. ♪ ♪ think he's posting about all that ancient roman coinage? no, he's seizing the moment with merrill. moving his money into his investment account in real time and that's... how you collect coins. your money never stops working for you with merrill, a bank of america company. hey businesses! your money never stops working for you with merrill, you all deserve something epic! so we're giving every business,

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we spent the last hour looking at all sides of tonight's historic january 6 committee hearing. let's break down what we learned with ashley parker, phil rucker and brandon buck. ashley, you and phil in part were on the team that won the pulitzer for your coverage during and after january 6. starting with the democrats,

they know no matter what happens, there's those domestic problems, inflation, gas prices, the pandemic. what is the impact here? what is the chance that this will really get people focused across the country? the country? >> you know, there has been at least during the campaigns, there was a sense that now former president trump was his own worst enemy, the more voters were focused on him, the more likely they would prefer president biden and the democrats. in that way, in theory. this could be a positive, but talking to people in the white house, at the end of the day, to the hearings matter eh, maybe, we'll see.

but obviously the most important are gas prices not only do people feel this every day, but when you're driving by every gas station with $5, $6, it's a billboard that reminds them of their frustration. and we heard there would be a big effort from the other side, to counter-program, diminish and demean. certainly fox news on its main channel is not even carrying it. >> which has been a challenge for the democrats. kevin mccarthy i think spoke earlier, and made the point there aren't primetime meetings about gas prices. to me, personally, january 6th

is really important, i used to work in that building, but it's not tangible to most people's daily lives. there's a lot of things you do in government service just because it's the right thing to do, but if you're the average voter, i'm not sure they know what january 6th. if you're kevin mccarthy or elisa stefanik, you want to talk about -- i'm sure they'll put on a good show, but it seems unlikely this will change any dynamics, particularly when the people sticking by donald trump probably won't even see a minute of it. >> is the american public so unchanged by decades, really of the watching courtroom dramas, law and order, and they expect evidence, people to be confessing on the witness stand. that's not what this is. this is really create ago record for history. it's up to the justice

department to decide whether people are prosecuted. >> that's exactly right. it's a fact-finding commission, not a prosecution. i think the committee will stitch together a narrative of what happened, but sure, there's also a political motivation here, too. i think many of the members of this committee would like to find a way to convince a broader portion of the american public that the election was real, was credible, that trump played a role in helping to incite the violence that occurred on january 6th, and really hold people accountable for the actions that led to one of the searing moments in our modern history as a nation. >> ashley, we also now know that barring a supreme court ruling

in new york state to overrule this, next month president trump, done junior and ivanka will also be questioned under oath in deposition in civility fraud investigations by the state attorney general. that is going to be the first time we've seen them under oath, the three of them, in that new york state probe. >> that's right. the few times where former president trump has had to testify under oath in a deposition, there's not many, but they're not particularly great moments for him, because his shamelessness in his ability to mislead, spin and say things that we all know are fundamentally not true has been his political super-power. but in those rare moments when he has really been constrained by severe penalties for not

telling the truth, if you read those past depositions, in his past, they're often quite damning, and not the sorts of things in general that have been particularly flattering for him. >> but what about liz cheney? she is putting her whole political line on these hearings, and she's way behind in her reelect, because there's a trump-endorsed candidate, and he campaigned against her. >> we hear people to do what's right, and they almost never mean it. here is a case you have someone literally doing the worst thing she possibly can for her politics, but doesn't seem to care. that's super rare. this is not good politics for her. she'll be up there with a bunch of democrats, where trump is

particularly popular in her area. this is a person who is putting that all aside for what she believes is the right thing to do for the country. >> well, it's a new definition of profile in courage indeed. ashley parker, phil rucker, brendan buck, thank you. join ugh tonight at 7:00 p.m. for the january 6th committee's hearing. we'll bring it to you in full tonight at 7:00 eastern on msnbc. remember, follow us online, on facebook and on twitter. chris jansing reports starts right after this. chris jansing reports starts right after this that ancient ? no, he's seizing the moment with merrill. moving his money into his investment account in real time and that's... how you collect coins. your money never stops working for you with merrill,

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