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just happened over 17 months ago. the hype is big. republican member adam kinzinger says the committee's findings will, quote, change history, but larks, particularly democrats, have a long history of over-promising and under-delivering. the mueller report, impeachment trials, often pointed out by skeptics. in fact we're already getting a preview. this is new video released to abc news that was taken on january 6th. it shows intense new scenes of the violence from inside the mob. it was shot by a documentaryian embedded with the proud boys. he will be a witness tonight we have known since day one. president trump urged the mob to

march on the capitol and fight like hell. so what else can they tell us that we don't already know? will new evidence lead to new charges for the people involved? how do you engage the american people when roughly half the country says, they want to forget about the insurrection and just move on? i want to bring in nbc's capitol hill correspondent ali vitali, chuck rosenberg, a former senior fbi officials, and yamiche, thank you all. ali, what are we thinking they've been holding back that they believe can make a splash, can maybe even change minds. >> we're hearing from some of those very lawmakers at the center of this committee, setting the stakes so high for what will happen tonight, saying the hearings will change history. i think bennie thompson put it

well to our colleagues earlier when they ran into him coming off the house floor. he says his colleagues have been preparing, rehearsing to make sure they're ready tonight, so their plan is to set the stage over what they will will unfurl over the month of june. in several conversations with thompson, they expect never before shown video, including the documentary footage that you just showed on the screen. when i was in the hearing room to get a sense of what it will look like, there's a massive screen behind the dais, and i think you can tell from the witnesses we're going to hear from today, a capitol police officers as well as the document

documentarien, because there was just so many video on what happened that day, but the challenge for the committee, once they put the american public in the headspace of what happened at the capitol over a year ago, the challenge for them is to connect the dots between things we may already know about, but cast them in new light as they set this narrative and see if they can't jog the american public. when i asked adam schiff yesterday, what does success look like? he said, they just want to speak to someone who has an open mind. >> to that point, president trump told on camera, you can't take your company back with weakness, but take a listen to this. >> i think donald trump and the white house were at the center of they events. that's the only way to make sense of them all. donald trump wasn't convicted by

the requisite two thirds, but a commanding majority found he had incited this insurrection. but the select committee has found evidence a lot more about in segment here. >> what kind of evidence would you want to see to tilt you the prosecutors working on the criminal side of this could make a case? >> it's a great question. it ties into something that ali just sai we want specific and credible evidence that the president and those around him knowingably participated in a plot to remain in power by any means necessary. here is the problem, an this is what ali touched on. we may see evidence tonight from a documentaryian, might be helpful, powerful, but it's not

probative of the central question. there's something that's compelling and hearing ms. that's probative that goes directly to the state of mind of the president. as prosecutors, that's what we need to show. not just that bad things happened, but someone intended for bad things to happen. >> yamiche, i want to talk more about what's at stake tonight. last hour my colleague spoke to officer hodges, and i want to play what he said about the pushback from republicans who say, frankly, there's nothing to see here. >> i don't know how they sleep at night. it's incredibly transparent what they're trying to do. they have to know how important this is. they have to know, but they're just trying to, uh, i don't know.

i don't know what they value. is it their jobs? is it money? what makes you so -- what makes you want to keep the truth from coming to light so badly that you're willing to just put bold-faced lies out there all the time, constantly, and mislead the people and -- i don't get it. >> yamiche, he said this is the place you come to work every day. why wouldn't you want to keep this place safe? i wonder if you're hearing the refrain still, talking to people to work here at the capitol. >> what i'm hearing from lawmakers and people directly impacted from that day is this is really a hearing that needs to be able to break through to the american people and have them share the urgency and the concern of the lawmakers on this committee, that democracy was almost brought to its knees on january 6th, and can still be brought to its knees because of

the lies and actions set in motion as a result of january 6th. when talking to people, they say lawmakers have to do a number of things, including one really bringing evidence that will capture the attention of americans who are dealing with gas prices, a pandemic, crimes in their neighborhood. they need to try to help people focus on this and understand that democracy really is at stake here. 9 second thing they want to do is really tie this directly to former president trump, and help people understand this wasn't a spontaneous group of people. this was really a concerted effort that's continues to this day, because we know, of course, the former president is continues to like about the 2020 election. when i talk to republicans, they don't seem that concerned, frankly. they are banking on the idea that americans have already made up their mind about what they think about january 6th. a senator told me today that he

somewhat agrees on that. he wants change e a democratic senator said people are so overwhelmed with what's going on, they already -- whether or not he was someone that is a villain that does not need to be in office ever again. that in some ways the stakes are already set here. >> i'm curious about strategy. the american people frankly are used to seeing courtroom dramas on tv, law-and-order style, are there real world tactics that the committee can use to hook viewers, to convince viewers in the same way that a great prosecutor would make the could is in a courtroom? >> it's a great question. i wish my trials lasted with one commercial interruption. that's not how it works. presenting evidence in a courtroom is more art than science, but nevertheless, to your question, yes.

you put on a linear, logical case. you explain to the jurors what happened, and then you have to tie it to specific people doing specific things at specific times. now, remember a congressional hearing is not a courtroom. there's no rules of procedure or evidence or no judges, no cross-examination, so you connect the testimony, the documents, the e-mails, text messages, to specific people. at the end of the day, it's people who did these things who, set it in motion, who funded it, who came up with the tactics or strategy. if you can make that connection and tell it in a linear, contingent fashion, you're doing what prosecutors try to do in a courtroom. >> ali and yamiche, thank you. chuck is going to stick around

with us. with me, i have one of those who were in the capitol on january 6th. >> they're going to lay out a timeline tonight, do many of the things that chuck just talked about, but this is also a story what it was like to be there in that moment. we have short memories, a lot has happened since then. what do you hope that people take away from your experience in those terrible hours. >> i think this would be one of the most consequentially set of hearings. we're not just talking to me as a lawmakers, or 30 of us trapped in a gallery, and literally have the visceral memories of insurrectionists pounding on the door, calling out to find and kill members of congress, or to

hang mike pence, to kill nancy pelosi. the worst invasion of the united states capitol since the war of 1812. it's not just about what happened to us as individuals. it's about how close we were to losing or democracy. i think that is the story that is still very real, that for many people across the country, they watched this unfold on television. i know need stids did. everyone was calling our office, because they saw lawmakers who went in to do our job to certify an election. they saw us on the ground in the united states capitol supposedly the seat of democracy, of the greatest country of the worlds cowering from insurrectionists. the story i want american people to take away is not just the vision of what happened that day, but the story that the committee i think will lay out of what led up to that day, who

was responsible for that, and if the real goal is to move on, there is no way to move on without getting accountability for the people that were involved, including the then sitting president of the united states, who was engaged in, my belief, a coup attempt to take over our democracy, and is still engaging in the theory that the election was stolen. >> you have said in the past that democracy was close to being overthrown on january 6th. in those moments, is that what you were thinking? were you thinking i might not make it? what even goes through your mind? >> yes, i did not think i would make it. i remember having my gas mask in one hand and my cane, because i had had knee surgery and couldn't walk, and need been to be on the floor, if somebody culls in to kill me, i won't be

able run, so the only thing i can do is hit them with my mask and cane, and hope i survive. there was a bigger story. we saw people, you know, with confederate flags, marching through the capitol, and we knew it wasn't disconnected from our job. our job was to certify the election for joe biden. we were this close, chris, this close to not being able to do that. i think the really tragic thing has been in the moments after, and with the impeachment hearing, trial, everything, when this was fresh, we didn't have all the facts about the e-mails that had happened, about the conversations that had happened from the white house directly. i think that's what we're going to do. there's 140,000 documents or

something that the committee has had access to, over 1,000 interviews, confidential testimony. they have reviewed video footage. none of that was available at the time this was unfolding, which is why this serious bipartisan investigation by the january 6th committee is going to be so important. what i felt in that moment was, without the context, it was the visceral emotion of, am i going to survive? can i do the job i was seven here by my constituents to do? but it's also, we didn't have the context on how this could have happened, and who was at the center of this. is that your key question? i think its fair to say the bar is very high. a lot has happened since then, first of all, second of all, there's a lot going on right now, whether it's high gas prices, school shootings. there's a lot to occupy the minds and frankly the hearts of the american people.

is there a question you really want antsed, on you if you think we can get a clear and compelling answer it will gets the attention of the american people? >> i think it will gets the attention of the american people. we're not talking about a policy difference or an a argument of how much we should spend on x or y priority. it's about whether if you, chris, vote in an election, is your vote going to be honored? i mean, that's really at the center of this. if the answer is no, because somebody is going to claim that the election is stolen, when it wasn't, and mount a violent coup attack against the capitol to start the certification, it means we don't have a democracy. i think that is a -- it is a more complex message to get across to the american people, but i actually think it's one that, with the pictures and the video, and the testimony, we

will see how police officers were attacked. we will see how police officers were killed by violent insurrectionists. we will see what we weren't able to see at the time, which is what was the role of the president of the united states in this story? i think this is core, this is fundamental to whether or not we survive as a democrademocracy. it happened in the past and it could happen tomorrow. in fact, many of the same elements that happened to january 6th are still in place. >> thank you so much. we appreciate it. beyond the hill hearing, the 1/6 criminal investigations. the latest arrest just made in connection to the insurrection, a republican candidate for governor in michigan. how significant is what we just ahead from the congresswoman,

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this one that you're looking at. the first one is reuters. >> he has a distinctive red band on his wrist, and he also wore virtually the same things at other political rallies, where he spoke and was identified. the fbi also says it relied on witnesses, people who knew him, to looked at the pictures and all the survillance video and said, yes, that's him. he's been charged with misdemeanor counts. he's not accused of any violent attacks, but the government says he climbed up on the west side of the capitol and urged other people to go into the capitol.

he faces the same kinds of charges that frankly hundreds of other people have been chargd the reason they're charged is they did violate the law. he has said in his own defense that he didn't do anything violent, he didn't put down any barriers. explains bit a bit more, how do they kind of relate when it comes to january 6th?

>> well, sure, they are, as you said, separate tracks. they're two different things. the work of the justice department, and pete knows this better than anyone on the planet, has been ongoing for a very long time. where we're seeing the fruits of it, charges brought against hundreds of different people, all of the time, with many more to come no doubt. so what's happening to mr. why does it take so long? first, you want to make sure you have the right guy. the department of justice and fbi looks at phone records, travel records, talked to people who may have known he was there, or people to whom kellie spoke with after he went there. and then they bring the appropriate charges, in this case the destruction of property and disorderly conduct seems to be at the forefront.

>> somebody, pete. great talking to both of you. with that let's brings in danielle harbin, who has met with the committee three times already. so good to have you here, i wonder if you can give us a sense of what it was like in those meetings. >> thanks for having me, chris. me and my team collected a lot of information leading up to january 6th. my role is the chief of homeland security and intelligence is oversee the collection and analysis and dissemination of any threat information, as well

as over the horizon threats. that's what the committee was questions me about what i'm looking to learn, we played a small role in the vast tap industry of january 6th from an intelligence standpoint, i would say january 6th was not an intelligence failure, but a failure to heed the intelligence. >> i want to ask you about something that you said. i'm going to read it. january 6th was a symptom, you wrote, and so many of these individuals have gone back to their state and community and

now the burden shifts from the federal government to the state and locals. i wonder big picture what you assess as the ongoing threat, and how can law enforcement step up its ability to deal with it. >> absolutely. we look at january 6th in context. we don't want to loose sight of the fact there were people who did not show up on january 6th that regretted not doing so, individuals that suggested that things would have gone differently. they would have been able to penetrate fully into the capitol and gotten their hands on lawmakers if they had shown up. even recently there were individuals who regretted not going. january 6th is a symptom of something that's been brewing in our country for a long time. that's division, that's hate, that's antigovernment sentiment and conspiracy theories. we saw that come to fruition on

january 6th. january 6th is the apex of division in our country, but it's also been divisive in and of itself. the individuals that perpetrated january 6th chose the very last day in the political process to stop a lawful election. learning from that, they're not going to wait until the end at this point. they're not going to wait until the votes get to d.c. to be counted. the capitol will never be as vulnerable as it was on january 6th. the fight will go back to the states and locals, and i hope they're ready for it. >> we only have a minute left. on that day, your daughter was texting you, she was worried and, quote, is it going to be safe for you to go there? do you see what they're saying online? your daughter, who i assume was at home, seeing that there were people who were texting, are we

not doing enough to understand when someone is a real threat, as opposed to someone who is just putting stuff out there? >> yeah, you touched on things can't talk about in under a minute, but first, you can say just about anything online. first amendment protections allow you to spew as much hate and vitriol as you said. on the other side, having a healthy threat assessment is something i did every single day we understood the threat in d.c. did the federal government understand the threat? that's what i hope to find out. >> thank you so much for being with us today. we have a lot more to come from here on capitol hill. in uvalde, texas, what officials

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new this morning, the superintendent of schools in uvalde, texas, a few hours ago sideline to say whether his embattled police chief is still on the job, calling it a personnel issue. he's had a low profile, about you faced withering criticism, about his decision on whether to have police go into the classrooms. meantime, we're told real progress is being made toward -- but significant changes appear to be off the table. here what is being talked about.

for 18, 19 and have to conduct background checks, giving money to states to expand mental health services, and using school funding that's already in the pipeline to increase school security. frank figluzzi, so much to ask you about. is there anything what you heard there on that list of what they're still talking about that is likely to stop any number of mass shootings? the reality is the answer is yes. "new york times" has done an excellent study of mass shootings since 1999. they found what's under discussion right now might have saved well over 440 lives in over 35 shootings since 1999.

so these are meaningful. i know there are people out there who say we want to ban these weapons outright, but let's find the middle grounds that will at least save some lives. i'm a big fan of includes juvenile records of individuals. let's look at the buffalo shootingic for example. that's a youngman who, while a senior in high school at 17, made a violent threat, referred to the state police, who then brought him to mental assessment. he bragged about bluffs his way through that assessment by lying, that he was just kidding. he bragged about it on social media. if that kind of thing would be included in the national system, that would prevented him for less than a year later at age 18 buying the weapons he used in that shooting. so raising the age to 21 from 18

would have prevented shooters like buffalo and uvalde. we're moving in the right direction. i'm a huge fan of red flag laws. they do work. they temporarily seized guns from people, on whether they figure out whether the threat is real or not. there's due process. it's all doable stuff. >> you just touched on this, and what people say pretty much is sure not to get done, not discussing raising the age to buy an assault weapon. it seemed for a hot minute that might happen. they are not discussing universal background checks, even though we know that's probably the most popular thing among the american people, and they are not talking about restricting high-capacity magazines. how does the argument get made, if after, what we saw in

buffalo, what we saw in uvalde is not changing minds? >> we're at an impasse here, clearly. the second amendment, chris, has been completely misconstrued. even the stalwart conservative supreme court justice, the now late arch anyone scalia said emphatically the second amendment is not absolute. it's been misinterpreted as being etched in concrete, where we know that court proceedings even at the supreme court level that congress absolutely has the right to make it reasonable and logical to regulate the safety of guns. so let's talk safety here. you know, one thing under consideration is a requirement for safer storage of guns. in the "new york times" report, it shows that many case mass shooters stole the weapons they used in the shooting. if they had been properly locked up, even with trigger locks on them, we might have avoided death in those mass shootings. >> frank, always good to talk

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great to see you, what do you think the gop response look like today? >> probably similar to what we have seen over the last year and a half, a lot of whitewashing, saying it's a witch-hunt to try to get to president trump. we have tried to -- continues for as long as these hearings go on. >> there is a sense that public opinion is kind of, like, with them, or at least people don't care. i mean, there is a bar for the democrats inch i 3/4 they are going to try to take advantage of the opening. when we look at all the things affecting everyday lives, we're talking about gas prices, food, prices going up, shortage of infant formula.

all these things american people are focused on, so when you talk about saving democracy, that's a harder sell, misthat these democrats and republicans on this committee have to counteract. we'll see if they're able to do that. >> let's talk about mike pence. >> we have mark short, one of his very close allies and aides, continues to talk with this committee. what we are told is if for mike pence, he is a central figure, he's the one person that said no. had he gone along with donald trump, we might have had a different conversation.

>> you might remember leaked audio showed that there was, once upon a time in the days after january 6th, where he was talking about the fact that this was not good. take a listen. telling him what was going on, asking him to tell these people to stop, and go out. i was very intense and loud about it. >> now he's one of the biggest critics of this investigation. >> we went to mar-a-lago and kissed the ring of donald trump. donald trump has a chokehold on the republican party. he continues to be the leaders, but more importantly forcing people like kevin mccarthy, we know he wants to be speaker of the house if republicans were to take the house. donald trump wants him to do

whatever he says. and how the threat to the actual democracy. he said he was going to have him resign, and most importantly trying to criticize this committee. so the incredible of those investigations, people talk to go committees, that's something he would want to happen. >> it was worth the journey to see you, eugene daniels. >> thank you. president biden is in los

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