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live look at l.a. just about the top of the fourth hour of "morning joe." we've got a lot to get to this hour, including the revelations from the first hearing by the house select committee to investigate the january 6 attack on the u.s. capitol. using never before seen graphic video and unveiling new evidence that the committee presented their case for a conspiracy led by former president donald trump. we'll speak to january 6 committee member congresswoman stephanie murphy about last night. as well as what is in store for the additional hearings next week. also ahead, the latest on that highly anticipated inflation report released just moments ago. the may kpur price index shows prices jumped 8.6% compared to this time last year. which was worse than economists expected. stephanie ruhle will join us ahead to make those numbers down
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and we'll get a live reaction from the white house. but we begin with the house committee investigating the deadly january 6 capitol insurrection. holding its first in a series of highly-anticipated public hearings last night. the panel released previously unseen footage of the riot. and featured damning testimony to make the case that the january 6th attack was the direct result of then president donald trump's desperate attempts to cling to power. the chairman of the committee congressman bennie thompson said at tack was the culmination of a attempted coup coordinated by extremist groups like the proud boys and answering trump's call. ally, after ally, claim that the election was stolen from him were false. including testimony from his
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former senior campaign aide, his elder daughter, his former attorney general, we want to warn you, we did not bleep the curse word bill barr used in his deposition. >> i made it clear i did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuff which i told the president was bullshit. and i didn't want to be a part of it and that is one of the reasons that i decided to leave when i did. i observed, i think it was on december 1st, how can you -- you can't live in a world where the incumbent administration stays in power based on its view unsupported by specific evidence that there was fraud in the election. >> how did that effect your perspective about the election, when attorney general barr made that statement? >> it effected my perspective. i respected attorney general barr so i accepted what he was
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saying. >> i was in the oval office and at sp point in the conversation matt, who is the lead data person was brought on, and i remember he delivered to the president pretty blunt terms that he was going to lose. >> and that was based on, mr. miller, on mad and the data teams assessment of the sort of county by county, state by state results as reported? >> correct. >> i remember a call with mr. meadows where mr. meadows was asking me what i was finding and if i was finding anything. and i remember sharing with him that we weren't finding anything that would be sufficient to change the results in any of the key states. >> when was that conversation? >> probably in november, mid to
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late november. i think it was before my child was born. >> and what was mr. meadow's reaction to that information. >> i believe the words he used was so there is no there-there. >> no there-there. and powerful testimony from caroline edwards. who talked about how she was seriously injured as the rioters shoved past police officers and stormed the capitol. she blacked out, she said, after she hit the back of her head on concrete stairs. officer edwards described the terrifying scene after she regained consciousness. >> what i saw was just a war scene. it was something like i'd seen out of the movies. there were officers on the ground, you know, they were bleeding, they were throwing up, they were -- they had -- i mean, i saw friends with blood all over their faces. i was slipping in people's
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blood. it was carnage, it was chaos. never in my wildest dreams did i think that as a police officer, as a law enforcement officer i would find myself in the middle of a battle. >> she recalled seeing fellow capitol police officer brian sicknick during the mayhem who died later of a stroke. >> and we were just grappling over bike racks and trying to hold them as quick as possible. all of a sudden i see movement to the left of me and i turned and it was officer sicknick who
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was ghostly pale and i figured at that point he had been sprayed and i was concerned. my cop alarm bells went off. because if you get sprayed with pepper spray, you're going to turn red. he turned just about as pale as this sheet of paper. and so i looked back to see what had hit him, what had happened, and that is when i got sprayed in the eyes as well. >> testimony from u.s. capitol police officer caroline edwards. the vice chair of the committee meanwhile, liz cheney of wyoming laid the blame for the attack directly at the feet of former president trump. detailing how he repeatedly rebuffed pleas by his aides to call off the violent mob which was attacking police and lawmakers. she also had a sharp message for republican colleagues who have continued to back the former president and his lies. >> in our country, we don't
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swear oath to an individual or a political party. we take our oath to defend the united states constitution. and that oath must mean something. tonight, i say this to my republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible. there will come a day when donald trump is gone. but your dishonor will remain. >> so, mika, "the new york times," at the heart of the investigation is a relentless cheney. and it lays out the entire committee. but there is no doubt liz cheney last night, i thought the committee was plasterful in using a republican. somebody who comes from a family, a life long -- who has a life long commitment to conservatism and the republican party. and again she's at the heart of this investigation. >> she really is. congresswoman cheney played recorded testimony from former president trump white house senior adviser jared kushner in which he dismissed the threats
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to resign from then white house council pat cipollone who was concerned about potential lawless activity leading up to the january 6 attack. >> are you aware of instances where pat cipollone threatened to resign? >> i kind of, like i said, my interest was on trying to get as many pardons done and i know that he was always -- him and the team were always saying we're going to resign, we're not going to be here if this happens or this happens and i took it up to just be whining to be honest with you. >> white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst peter baker's piece is entitled trump is depicted autocrat seeking to hang on to power at all costs and with us charles coleman. so peter, front page of the times. the january 6 hearings cast
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trump as instigator. front page of the "wall street journal," of january 6 committee lays out case in first public hearing. and i was struck by your news analysis of this in the times. you write, as your lead, in the entire 246-year history of the united states, it was surely never a more damning indictment presented against an american president than outlined tonight in a cavernous congressional hearing room where the future of democracy felt on the line. let me ask you, first, why did you draw the conclusion that you drew. and what do you find to be the most damning? >> well i think about it, joe, we've had rogue presidents in the past, presidents who committed criminal acts who probably violated the constitution and certainly pushed the boundaries. we've never had a president who sought to hang on to power despite the obvious and clear verdict of the voters and who went to great lengths as was
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demonstrated last night by liz cheney an the committee to subvert an election that was by all realistic accounts free and fair. it wasn't just that he complained or went to court, he pressured members of congress, he pressured the justice department, he pressured his own vice president to do things they told him were not right and he persisted any way. and so i think that the crimes that they allege last night and it was an allegation of criminal activity, go further toward, you know, upending our system or anything a president has been accused of at a congressional hearing like that. >> so, charles, peter talks about criminal activity. we've had others speaking of criminal activity that may have been revealed last night. at the top of our show, at 6:00 hour, on the east coast, we had george conway talk about how the
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justice department obviously was paying attention last night because there appear to be so much evidence they could ultimately not point to other people around donald trump, but to directly at donald trump himself for leading a conspiracy. >> absolutely, joe. what we are seeing in terms of how this is being played out in public is the committee is playing to two different audiences. they're playing to the jury of public opinion, number one, and they're playing to the doj number two. if you look at the language in a liz cheney and chairman thompson used when they were giving their statements, they laid this out like an opening statement in a trial because they are -- they know that the doj is paying attention and they trying to give the doj as much as possible to make the decisions to move forward with criminal charges with people who should be responsible. and as you pointed out, the one difference now that everything has come together and coming out as part of the public hearings is that it is pointing directly
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at president trump. and we haven't seen as much of that in the past as we are now. and i expect that we'll see more of that as these hearings continue. we're going to see more of the connecting the dots. the public has been wondering for a very long time what have you all be doing. what have you all uncovered during the course of this investigation and i thought that they did a brilliant job of laying out, number one, where these dots are and, number two, how they're connected in a way that made it clear and intentional that this did not happen by accident, this is not a mistake, or gone amok, or that they have the intent necessary to committed these criminal acts. so with the way that things were laid out and the language that was used, i fully expect this committee is trying to push the doj to make a decision to bring criminal charges. >> so, charles, specifically sticking with your experience and your knowledge of the law, the connecting of the dots that we've seen so far, including
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some points that show that this was premeditated along the way, the interviews that we heard from last night, all of the calls to trump personally, kind of indicating he's the only one who could stop this. how much did they lead to legal peril for trump or is that still something that seems out of reach? >> well no, i think what they were doing is they're laying the groundwork for knowledge and intent. one of things that donald trump has been able to do throughout the course of his presidency is claim this notion of plausible deniability. if you think back to the first impeachment hearing, his go-to was he didn't know this that it was wrong or that he does was that bad and so what they're doing is they're showing he was very intentional in how he acted, that he had full knowledge of what was going on and that he wanted this to occur. so this is going to be a necessary step in trying to connect donald trump to these charges and i think that they
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did a good job in terms of previewing exactly what they're case is and how they intend to lay it out. >> peter baker, it was striking to watch this opening presentation, how many of the voices speaking on behalf of the committee and making the case for them were from the inner circle of the white house. jared, ivanka, the attorney general, the white house advisers who told mark meadows there is no there-there. to walk away from this because there is no fraud in this election. joe biden won the election. leave it alone and walk away. and former president trump knew that the lie was in fact a lie. and he pushed forward any way and encouraged his supporters to come to the capitol. willing to risk the life of nancy pelosi and other members of congress but of his own vice president to clear the way for that mob and for the proud boys and the oath keepers to lead the mob into the capitol in pursuit perhaps of his own vice president. >> yeah. not only willing to risk his vice president seeming to almost
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encourage it by telling his staff according to the testimony last night that maybe mike pence deserves it. maybe the supporters have it right. and that is extraordinary. mike pence was deeply loyal to this president for three years and 11 months and almost never did anything to break with president trump or do anything to, you know, differ with him, certainly in public any way. but when push came to shove and he no choice but to make a left or a right hand turn at the fork in the road, he forced to subscribe as what he saw as the oath of the constitution and because of that the president was willing to endorse the idea, however serious he was, that he deserved to be executed which i think said a lot about his state of mind and said a lot about this president. and you're right, willingy, that a lot of the people seen last night at that hearing were people in the inner circle. people who knew better and knew the election was not in fact stolen. the attorney general, the
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president's own daughter, his own son-in-law and campaign lawyer. these people understood that. some of them stood up to him like bill barr and using the word he used and said that publicly in less earthy terms. and some didn't say anything or didn't fight it, that is jared kushner who washed his hands of the whole thing and decided he wasn't going to fight rudy giuliani and instead leave the field to the conspirators and to the sidney powells and did nothing to stop his father in law from heading down the course that he was heading and i think that is a very ref latory moment, how this could have taken place. >> and joe, not only did the president trump encourage that mob even though he knew the lie was a lie, he made no effort to use the instruments of his power to use the government to stop it. quoting liz cheney, president trump placed no call to any element of the united states government to instruct that the
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capitol be defended. he did not call the secretary of defense, did he not talk to his attorney general, he did not talk to the department of homeland security, he gave no order to deploy the national guard that day. he sat, joe, in that dining room adjacent to the oval office watched it on tv, reportedly rewinding it to watch some of his favorite parts as the capitol was attacked. >> the most violent parts and what we learned last night is when staff members came in frantically trying to tell him to call it off. to call his mob off. to stop the brutal assault on police officers, on the united states capitol. donald trump, we learned from testimony, yelled at them, shouted at them and said that the mob was doing exactly what the mob should be doing. the same thing with mike pence. when it was brought to his attention that mike pence was in danger by his staff members, he said, well, threatening to be hung, hanged and saying well
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maybe he should be hanged. maybe he deserves it. so, yeah, it is, again, the evidence is so overwhelming against donald trump. that i must say, i look at some of the media reporters and some of the columnists who say that the january 6 committee may not be doing their job or the january 6 committee is not going to be able to convince me. it is not -- this is not about winning a popularity contest with conspiracy theorists who believe in jewish lasers and bamboo ballots because they were printed for arizona in china, italian guys using satellite dishes. i mean this is not the audience. the audience are americans who actually give a damn about the republic, who actually give a damn about the truth. and if you don't give a damn about the truth, well, your just not going to like it when it is revealed to you this way.
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and peter baker that leads to my question to you. and in your lead in the piece you talk about how the future of democracy felt on the line. here is a tweet putting up a tweet from donald trump. that trump of course put out and then repeated to the crowd. but peter baker, you had said that this indictment presented against american president that outlined tonight in a congressional hearing room where the future of democracy felt on the line. what do you say to those republicans who call it a show trial? who call it a witch hunt? who are using the same tired phrases to try to brush away something. and we're jot industry talking about benches, but people trying to be the next speaker of the house, trying to brush away a truth where, as you said, future of the democracy felt on the line. >> yeah, i think this is the
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challenge obviously for the committee. is can you get -- can you break through in an environment such as today. unlike during watergate, there were only three networks and there was some genuine biptship in the congress. howard baker worked in tandem with sam irvine to get to the truth. today you have a party that is determined to remain enthralled to donald trump either afraid of crossing him or genuinely believing in him and that is a different environment. so as charles coleman said, there is a couple of audiences here. will they listen and change their mind as a result of what they hear tonight or not and does the audience the justice department does that mean they could be encouraged taking criminal action but i argue there is a third audience and it is history. the jury of history. what i think the committee is trying to do here, even if they don't change public opinions in the short-term, and even if they don't goat merrick garland into
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taking some sort of action, what they're trying to do here is lay out the facts and so for posterity, we know what happened here and therefore there is a verdict over time in effect that said that what happened here is not what the framers envisioned when they wrote our constitution. >> chief white house correspondent for "the new york times," peter baker, thank you very much for your reporting this morning. and ahead this mauer, member of the january 6 select committee congresswoman stephanie murphy will be our guest. plus, the school police chief in the uvalde, texas, who has been under intense scrutiny speaks out for the first time. meanwhile a new report finds uvalde police waited to confront the gunman even though they were aware of the injuries inside of the school. and later, we'll talk to the director of the national economic council brian deese about the rising rate of
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this morning the school police chief in uvalde, texas, who has been under intense scrutiny for his response to the school shooting is speaking out for the fir time. morgan chesky has that new interview and the new report that some of the children may still have been alive while authorities waited to move in. >> there is now evidence this morning that school district police chief pete arredondo and other officers waited more than an hour for protective equipment even though they new there were victims still alive. according to video footage and revealed by the "new york times"
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but not confirmed by the nbc news. the times reporting investigators have determined more than a dozen children in two classrooms were still alive. during the one hour and 17 minutes it took to finally end the standoff. meanwhile the chief breaking his silence over, telling the texas tribune, he ran towards the danger, armed with his glock service pistol, assuming he might die because he had no body armor. the 29 year police veteran unsure where the gunman was told a reporter he left not one but two police officer radios behind thinking according to the tribune, that they would slow him down and that he needed both hands free. >> and he said that was a conscience decision. he rushed in there with both of his hands on his gun because he was taught that that was -- the most accurate way to attack the shooter if he ran into him. >> when arredondo did locate the shooter in a classroom, he said he tried to open the door but it
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was locked. adding the gunman's bullets pierced the classroom doors and others went through the classroom wall, wounding officers who retreated. the chief called for tactical gear, a sniper and keys to get inside of the classroom. but he tried dozens of keys with multiple sets brought to him until officers eventually found one that worked and were able to enter. arredondo disputed previous claims saying did he not give any instruction that police should not attempt to breach the building and said he never considered himself the scene's incident commander. >> law enforcement experts still criticize that response. as the police chief for the school district he they say was the incident commander and he needed to establish clear communications with his officers but with other law enforcement agencies that responded to the incident. >> nbc's morgan chesky reporting for us there. guys, that devastating confirmation of what the three of us have discussed and
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suspected for the last two weeks, that those kids were alive. that many of them were still alive in that classroom in the one hour and 17 minutes it took while this officer was fumbling around with keys and he said he tried 40 keys anz they didn't work and they found the right one. but the brutal, brutal truth for those parents is that those kids might have lived if the officers went in. >> well, and willie, we just heard lies from texas authorities from the very beginning. and, you know, you keep hearing oh, at the beginning, we don't want to talk about it. we want the families -- >> you're not the incident commander. who is? >> and you're right. they're fumbling around for all of these keys. would new york cops, when an elementary school was taken over by an active shooter, would they be fumbling around for cops or
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knock down doors or keys and one other thing i want to be clear about this because again there is so much disinformation coming out of texas, this wasn't a close call. post columbine, every police department was told, everybody knew you don't sit back and let an active shooter go around from class to class in schools. what do they tell law enforcement officers after columbine? you go in immediately and you crowd the gunman, whatever it takes. you go in and you take the gunman down. no matter what. and even to the degree, willie, where if there are people that are lying on the ground shot, you run past them, he kill the active shooter and then you tend to everybody else around you. >> and those are specifically
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and explicitly in the texas guidelines that we've seen over the last couple of months. so for this officer arredondo to say it wasn't in his training to go in immediately, it is just not true. it is well-known as you say for the last 25 years but it is a specific state of texas guideline and we've seen all of the documents. but you could imagine the heartbreak that is now -- and the fury now layered upon the parents knowing that perhaps their children could have been saved. >> yeah. and again, lies. constant lies. misinformation. misinformation from local officials, misinformation we saw from the very beginning, from texas officials. the justice department needs to go in, they need to investigate. they need to figure out what the hell happened. >> the body cam -- >> and i'm sorry, see what texas officers may be liable there. >> and the body cam video were -- the cops were saying
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people will ask why we doesn't go in and many wanted to go in and it is a complete cluster. charles, by the way, we want to get nur analysis on another story we've been following. a police officer in grand rapids, michigan is charged with second-degree murder more than two months after shooting an unarmed black man in the back of the head during a foot chase following a traffic stop. let's get the report first from nbc news correspondent kathy park. >> stay in the car. >> grandids police officer christopher sher charged with murder for the shooting damage after a traffic stop in april spiralled into a struggle. >> i immediate the decision to charge christopher sher with one count of second-degree murder. >> his final moments all caught on camera. amid mounting public pressure, police release several videos showing the officer stopping
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loyola because his license plate didn't match his car and him running away and the two men wrestling on the ground where it appears he is grasp fog the taser. an autopsy revealed the 26-year-old refugee from kopgo who had a blood alcohol level three times over the legal limit died after he was shot in the back of head. >> as with any defendant, he is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. >> the killing of an unarmed black motorist, demanding justice for what they called an execution. >> we talk about it all of the time around this table, we talk about it with reverend al. it is one thing as we saw in new york city, cops responding to a domestic disturbance, they run up into an apartment complex, they're running down the hall, doors fly open, people have
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guns, you don't know what is around that corner. and sometimes, of course, in law enforcement, split-second decisions have to be made. that is one thing. and that is always tough, it is always difficult. but you know what? police officers have to try to protect people the best way they know how. in this case, you had a motorist stopped, once again a license plate that doesn't match a car, the cop is sitting there, he's got the car. it's right there. he doesn't have to chase after the guy. of course, the guy needed to stay in the car. the guy needed to listen to the police officer. but if he didn't, this police officer had to know how this could spiral out of control. so you sit there and you're like, my god, where is the training here. again, i keep going back to new york city, but does this all come down to training?
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>> no, joe. and i think that training is far too over used in terms of this conversation. police officers receive a copious amount of training. what we're talking about and i've said this before, and i'll say it again, is a culture issue. regardless of the level of threat involved, police make decisions in part based on the level of accountability for those decisions. and we have not previously seen a high level of accountability for police taking actions that adversely effect black people and black bodies. so as that culture begins to shift and we're still at beginning of it because i want to point out, we might not be here but for the public pressure and the video. you take away one or both of those things and we may have never heard of the name patrick loyola. so we have not come as far as we need to go. that being said, police have been trained. they know how to de-escalate
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situations. they make decisions in part based off of the level of threat which was nonexistent in this case. but also the level of accountability for certain actions when they actually do effect harm to people. and so it is important to understand that what we're talking about here is a lack of accountability for law enforcement in general that has allowed a toxic culture to remain unchecked and unfettered and that is unfortunately why we've seen this again and again. >> and, you know, it is so interesting, as you talk about this, and talk about the culture, of course, sometimes it is not just a black and white issue. sometimes that culture includes officers who are people of color and making decisions that you look at and go, wait, what is going on there. so, that culture actually also goes across all races and in polices does it not? >> it does. but it is a very complicated question that i think you have to look at what you're talking
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about with respect to the victims or the sufrts. so police in general, they are a band of folks who blood blue. when it comes to the suspects that they are dealing with, that is when you start to see the culture really break down on racial lines. this is not applicable to all police officers but we are talking about the culture of law enforcement in america and so when you talk about who the victims are, when you talk about the people who are effected on the end of being defendants, nas when you start to see it break down. so you may have a black officer, but the culture of policing may make that black officer feel more comfortable making a decision which adversely effects the life or the body of a black person, then you would if they were of another race. so that is where you see the racial divide really start to take root. it is not necessarily in the color of the officer, it is in the color of the suspect. >> msnbc legal analyst charles coleman, thank you very much. and coming up, more on the january 6 committee's first public hearing last night that
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featured never before seen footage, interviews with former president trump's inner circle and testimony from those who were on the ground that day. a member of the committee, congresswoman stephanie murphy will be here to talk about last night and what is next in the investigation. also ahead, the latest on that new inflation number, that just crossed this morning. >> bad. >> we'll speak to a top economic adviser to president biden and stephanie ruhle will join us as well. we'll be right back. be right ba. bipolar depression. it made me feel trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. this is where i want to be. call your doctor about sudden behavior changes or suicidal thoughts.
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we met up with the proud boys somewhere around 10:30 a.m. and they were starting to walk down the mall easterly direction towards the capitol. there was a large contingent, more than i had expected and i was confused to a certain extent why we were walking away from the president's speech because that is what i felt we were there to cover. >> so at 10:30 a.m., that is early in the day.
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that is even before the president trump had started speaking, am i correct? >> yes, sir. we arrived at the mall and observed a large contingent of proud boys marching toward the capitol, we filmed them and almost immediately i was separated from my colleagues. and i documented the crowd turn from protesters to rioters to insurrectionists. i was surprised at the side of the group and the anger and the profanity. and for understand who didn't understand how violent that event was, i saw it, i documented it, and i experienced it. >> that was british documentary filmmaker nick quested who was embedded with the proud boys and filmed their activities leading up to the insurrection testifying about his experience of walking with the proud boys on the morning of january 6 before then president trump began speaking at the stop the
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steal rally at the ellipse. joining us now, member of the house january 6 select committee democratic congresswoman stephanie murphy of florida. there are so much to pour there. but let's stick with the -- what we heard from the british documentary filmmaker. what does he help prove, do you think? >> it is great to be with you. and i think what he provided for us and for this hearing was videos that hadn't been seen before. and the evidence that this wasn't a spontaneous riot that just broke out because people gathered to protest. but rather this was a part in a culmination of an effort to replace the will of the american people with the will of the sitting president to remain in power. and i think the videos and the firsthand testimony that we were able to show last night, you don't have to take it from us, you could hear the people around trump and the folks who planned
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the riot talk about why they were there and what they hoped to achieve that day. >> and what -- do you expect in the coming days while you conduct these hearings to show more evidence that shows that this was planned out? >> we have interviewed over a thousand people, we've had tens of thousands of documents, we have video that the public hasn't seen yet. there is so much information and in front of us is the challenge of synthesising that information and delivering in a way that is compelling and shows the american people the full story. and so we'll be revealing and more testimony, more firsthand accounts. all of which supports the fact that the people around donald trump knew they had lost the election and were casting about desperately for ways in which
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they could change the outcome and it culminated on january 6. >> congresswoman, good morning. and you have that on tape. you have the attorney general, you have president trump's children saying, ivanka saying yes, we took attorney general at his word, there was nothing wrong with this election and there was no fraud. they were trying to run away from it. and the president of the united states, completely abandoning his post as commander-in-chief on the 6th and allowing all of this to happen, as liz cheney testified, not calling the national guard and letting this attack on the capitol take place. you've seen more evidence than anyone outside of that committee in this entire country, do you believe that there were crimes committed even by the president of the united states on that day? >> i'm not a lawyer in the purpose of our committee is legislative, not criminal prosecution. i will leave that to the department of justice in their able staff to build the case or investigate if that is
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necessary. what i am trying to do is to make the case to the american people that our democracy is fragile. there is nothing self-sustaining about this. and to have them come to the table and be open to these facts, because it doesn't matter if you're a republican or you're a democrat or an independent, you should want your vote to count. and it can't just be that when you're side doesn't win you forgive people who try to take power by force. because that makes us no less than some tin pot despot banana republic. >> member of the select committee investigating the january 6 capitol attack, congresswoman stephanie murphy of florida, thank you very much. and coming up, this morning's inflation report showing prices rising 8.6% from a year ago. the fastest rising increase since 1981. stephanie ruhle joins us next. and we'll speak with one of the
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aren't just made for traders -they're made by them. thinkorswim® by td ameritrade now to this morning's breaking economic news. bad news. may consumer price index shows prices jumped 8.6% compared to this time last year. on par with what we have seen over the last few months and worse than economists expected. now inflation at a 40-year high. joining us is host of "the 11th hour" stephanie ruhle. go through the numbers. they are devastating. >> not good. >> groceries and rent and gas. some categories the biggest inflation ever seen. >> it is not good and there's nowhere to hide. i can't say but look over here. the leading driver is gas prices. i can say to you, remember, this
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is happening around the world. they're all facing it but that's not going to make people feel better. politically a big problem here is this is what republicans want to hear and i wouldn't equate them but republicans know last night's hearing was bad but they'll say look at this. republicans are not offering any solutions. there's inflation is terrible, blame the white house and not offering anything better. the biggest drivers is gas prices and supply chain, none go away after the midterms. this is a problem for a while. >> a problem for a while. republicans may not be offering solutions because there aren't a lot of solutions unless you're the fed chair. things are going to be rough for a while and will get worse.
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you had opec members talking about last week saying this is only going from bad to worse because china in a covid lockdown. when china comes out of the covid lockdown it drives the demand way up. oil prices are going to keep going through the roof and food -- ukraine. this is lining up as a very long bumpy ride. >> the question is, if the fed does get really serious and seriously raises rates that causes pain for us and the question to the white house is are you willing to weather the short term pain and with the midterms a door knock away that's a tough proposition. >> it is. >> let's bring in white house
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economic council director. is there anything that they can do to bring inflation down? >> thank you for having me. the answer is, yes, that today's number underscores the challenge with energy prices you were just discussing and why it's so important that the president is making fighting inflation a top priority and obviously giving the fed the independence to operate. this president is doing something that others haven't. he won't politicize the process and beyond that steps to take right now. congress could pass the shipping bill. we talked to company after company saying that prices to pay to ship the goods is getting passed directly on to consumers. second we could take action to lower typical costs of prescription drug costs and the utility bills and reducing the
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deficit. if we do that then the steps that congress is taking would be complimentary to the fed trying to do and help a lot. they would be the most significant thing that congress could do right now and we're urging them to act. >> what about the fed chairman? some point as we would say in northwest florida the horse is already out of the barn and not transitory. we are up to 8.6%. that can become 10, 12 if the fed doesn't start acting aggressively. does chairman powell and the fed need to jack rates up faster? >> central to what the president is saying is that the fed has the space to do everything it needs to take on inflation and part of giving them the space to operate and make hard decisions and use the tools is making
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clear when they take the actions the president will not politicize that action. that's the most important thing that a president can do and can't take that for granted. past president was tweeting at the federal reserve chair. you're not going to see that from this white house and not going to comment on exactly the tactics to use other than to say that you have a president that says that fighting inflation is top economic priority. >> the war in ukraine impacts gas prices but talking to the man at the gas pump was not going damn you, putin. what do you say to him and the families that can't afford the groceries? >> it is hitting families hard and we get that. that's point number one. point number two it is important
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to diagnose the problem here and the price at the pump is up about $1. 0 since putin began to amass troops at the border. it is not fun and nobody likes it but we have to stand against the aggression. what can we do to blunt the increases and get relief to the families? you have a president focused to say how can i blunt the increase in gas prices and oil prices and bring down the other costs they look at? if we can bring down prescription drug costs for that landscaper, make the utility billower that is relief as we try to bring gas prices down. >> i know the white house was disappointed when build back better didn't pass but given how
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much it would have added to inflation is this a positive that it stalled out? >> when you look at the president's proposals every one is fully paid for and offset and would not have had an upward consequence on inflation. we want to reduce the costs and reduce the deficit. the deficit is coming down and we can build on that and with tax reforms to improve the efficiency of the economy and the president has consistently proposed ways to pay for the things he is proposing but right now it is an opportunity to not only do that but reduce the deficit. we should act immediately with the urgency that the situation deserves.
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>> brian, thank you so much. stephanie ruhle, we'll be watching "the 11th hour." >> that's late. >> that does it for us this morning and this week. jose diaz-balart picks up the coverage right now. good morning. 10:00 a.m. eastern. 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. for the first time the committee investigating the january 6 attack on the u.s. capitol is laying out the findings in detail and in public. the committee is arguing former president trump who lit the flame of the attack. also, more than two weeks after the mass shooting at robb elementary school the uvalde school district police chief is speaking out about what happened in a new interview. we are also seeing brand new video obtained by telemundo what