the bipartisan restructure law. look, this is a time we took a different approach also to trucking. last december we brought together industry and labor to tackle problems using truck drivers. we had to double the number of commercial driver licenses being issued by the states in order to speed things up. we did it. we spread the creation of apprenticeships and we had record employment in trucking and truckers' wages went up even after accounting for inflation. we're going to keep at it with a new super chain envoy, general steve lyons. he's a four-star general, handled transportation of a little thing, transportation command, only tens of millions and billions of tons of things to move, little things like

tanks and aircraft. all kidding aside, he's come off the sidelines. he retired. he helped us get ahead of the challenges that arise at our ports, our railroads and on the road. this is about reducing costs for families. you know, i have to admit to you a lot of us elected officials have been in office for a while. every once in a while something you learn makes you viscerally angry, like if you had the person in front of you, you'd want to pop him. i really mean it. there are nine major ocean line shipping companies that ship from asia to the united states. nine. they formed three consortiums. these companies have raised their prices by as much as 1,000%. so everything coming from asia, they get 90 something percent of stuff coming from asia.

they've raised it by 1,000%. that's why i called on congress -- and they're foreign owned shipping companies that raised their prices while raking in just last year $190 billion in profit. a seven-fold increase in one year. seven-fold increase, 190 billion. the senate passed legislation, i'm hoping the house will act soon to crack down on these companies as i've asked and lower the cost. i'm grateful to speaker pelosi and john geramundi for leading this effort. it's a big deal. people at home trying to make it paycheck to paycheck are wondering what in god's name do nine shipping companies have to do with it? well, almost everything you're doing, everything from what you're eating to what you have in your drive to what you need in your home is related to the

supply chains and what's coming from abroad. i'm doing everything in my power to blunt putin's price hike and bring down the cost of gas and food. i led the world to coordinate the largest release of global oil in history. 240 million barrels to keep prices from rising even more. we tripled our national gas assistance to europe. and i'm working to get grain locked in their silos. ukraine and russia, the two major suppliers of grain and corn. 20 million barrels -- 20 million in their silos right now. the russians are blocking the export. they're not allowed out to the black sea and we're trying to

figure out how to get it out of the country to get it around the world. it will bring down prices. but there's more. there's more than one way to solve this problem. we're continuing to work to bring down food prices and gas prices to save money by dealing with other items. my dad used to say it's all about the standard of living, how much do you have left in the paycheck at the end of the month, how much is left to do the basic things. if you add up all the things that people need just to do everything from take care of their kids to turn the heat on and air conditioning and everything in between, there's a lot of ways we can reduce their costs, their cost of living other than while we're trying to get at the grain and gas. we laid out a plan, for example. lower prescription drug costs. that would fundamentally affect the well being of every family. those of you who know someone

who has type 2 diabetes and has insulin, it costs an average of $647 a month, can cost a thousand dollars. you know how much it costs to make that little vile of insulin? $ t-e-n. guess what, if medicare it negotiate the price, it comes down a hell of a lot. we can put a cap of $35 a month and they'll make a significant profit. ten bucks to manufacture and 35 a month. we can lower the cost of high-speed internet with what you all did with the

infrastructure bill. we cut the prices and raised the speed, lowering internet bills potentially for the average family $30 a month. you're paying an extra $30 a month for gas but that still increases the money out of pocket, decreased amount to put out. the point is we're doing everything in our power to lower costs to family. but republicans led by senator rick scott have a different approach. if you didn't write it down, you'd think i was making this up. rick scott tried to change his words yesterday, by the way, after he introduced this legislation. he had the reelection of a senator from the republican side. he realized raising taxes on working families is a little unpopular. he said everybody, no matter what their station, if they're on welfare should pay a tax, everybody. well, but here's the truth. one concrete plan that they laid

out was going to raise taxes on working families an average of $1,500 a month, while we have 54 corporations out there that didn't pay any tax the last two years and made $40 billion. they don't want to tax them at all. they don't want to tax billionaires, who are literally paying a lower tax rate than longshoremen are paying. literally. he hasn't walked back from his plans on health care. he says what we have to do now that we finally got the affordable care act functioning and the prices down an average of $400 for people, he wants to eliminate it. again, we're back at one, eliminate it again. another one the republicans are pushing is they think medicare -- i'm not making this up, go online and look, medicare, social security and medicaid go on the chopping block every five years. what that means is at the end of

five years they go out of existence unless they're affirmatively voted back into existence. every five years. medicare. social security. medicaid. and they forget people paid for their social security. they paid for it. and you know what's going to happen? people say they'll never eliminate it all but what they'll do, they'll be able to pick it apart. they'll be able to cut it back. that's the whole objective. folks, you know, it's not right. it's simply not right. and i disagree. look, this is not your father's republican party. this is a different deal. it really is. i work with a lot of honorable republicans, very conservative republicans over the years when i was a senator, but this is the maga gang. this is the maga crowd. i really mean it. they have a fundamentally different view of the role of government and who should pay what. and i'm going to work with anyone, democrat, republican,

independent to deliver real solutions for families. look, because of the strong foundation we built, we're better positioned than just about any country in the world to overcome the global inflation we're seeing and to take the next step towards performing an historic recovery, a new moment. and i count recovery as going from where we are today in terms of the economy to stability, to make it stable. it is strong as can be but for inflation, but for gas and food. and, look, we have to keep coming together to find common ground to solve problems like we've done in the ports and in trucking and continue to build the extraordinary progress we've made. we've got to continue building this economy from the bottom up and the middle out. i mean that literally. i am so sick and tired of trickle down economics. it does not work. when the middle class is doing well and they do well because of

labor, when the middle class is doing well, the poor have a way up and the wealthy do very, very well. they have never been hurt when the middle class is doing well. never. never. it's about time we start to regather and remember who we are and get a lot of this done. but there's no better place to start than right here in the port and letting those nine foreign shippers understand the ripoff is over. thank you. [ applause ] >> thanks. >> reporter: are you going to go after them? >> we're going to make sure everyone knows exxon's profits. why don't you tell them what exxon's profits were this quarter? exxon made more money than god this year. and, by the way, nothing's changed. the one thing i want to say about the oil companies, you

talk about how they have 9,000 permits to drill. they're not drilling. why aren't they drilling? because they make more money not producing more oil. the price goes up, number one. and number two the reason they're not drilling is they're buying back their own stock, which should be taxed, quite frankly, and making no new investments. i always thought republicans were for investment. exxon, start investing and start paying your taxes. thanks. [ applause ] good afternoon. you're watching "chris jansing reports" live from msnbc headquarters in new york city. that was president biden taking a shot at exxon and oil producers. also talking about supply chain issues, sky high inflation, acknowledging it's a real challenge for american families. and while you feel it, new

numbers punctuate the point. may shows prices up 8.6%. that's compared to where they were this time last year and up from 8.3% just last month. that's the biggest year-over-year jump since 1981. as you might imagine, the markets are not taking any of this well. the dow is down now 739 points. all of this adding to people's anxiety. anybody shopping, paying bills or filling the goes tank knows things are bad. here are the numbers on just how bad. the cost of groceries overall up almost 12% in a year, the biggest jump since 1979. meat up 12%, milk 16%, the cost of eggs has gone up by more than 30%. basic expenses, electricity, health insurance, those are up double digits. if you don't have a car, public

transportation will cost you 26% more. if you do have a car, they be of -- then of course you're dealing with gas prices, right now just a hair you at $5 a gallon almost nationwide. lynnette, there's a lot to get to. the president said the economy is strong as it can be but for inflation. is that accurate? >> that's accurate. we've created a lot of jobs and corporate earnings, they're starting to slide a little bit but because of costs because of inflation, but other than that they're strong. the stock market shot up during the pandemic. we have a lot of good things going for us. wages are going up. but there's a down side to wages going up because that pushes rents up, which is one of the

scariest parts of our inflation report, one of the most worrying parts for the white house definitely. rent follows rage increases. so what the white house is going to do about that one i don't know. but i would not want to be joe biden right now. >> so what is going on? you heard him, we're doing everything we possibly can, he blamed maga republicans, but experts had hoped that inflation had peaked. they were not anticipating a report that shows what this report this morning showed. so where does that leave us? >> okay, i think it's important to talk about the different sources of inflation that joe biden was pointing to in his speech. the first source is very clear. it's putin's war, whatever. so that's going to hit gas and food prices because russia, big supplier of oil, russia and ukraine big suppliers of grain. we're not seeing an end to that yet. i don't know how we're going to see an end to that. those are global prices and

coordination will be required of that. fortunately we know that joe biden is good at global coordination because that's how we have armed ukraine. then there's another source and this comes from the pandemic, from price dislocations and dislocations of supply and demand. now we know that shipping was moving a lot more slowly, it's speeding up now. china is trying to open up. and what we also know is that retailers, like target, walmart, et cetera, they were able to pick up their inventories a lot while there was supposedly a shipping crisis. they have a little bit more of their inventories than they thought they would need and so we might see some sales in the retail sector, we might see inflation from that sector going down a little bit. that's something we might see in the third quarter or something, something to be hopeful for. >> third quarter, also mid terms. so, kelly, let's talk about what really is facing the president.

i wouldn't want to be joe biden right now, you just heard. what is the messaging? what i took away from that is we're doing everything we can, the republicans aren't. is that the message? does the white house think that will resonate? how do they think and they have to look ahead to the mid terms and whether or not they can maintain control of congress, what's going to work? what's the message? >> well, they're trying to nail that down. part of what we see playing out here is the president is using time away from hosting an international summit to make a point about supply chains, about the economy and to use the port of los angeles, which has been such an important backdrop in the larger experience so many americans have had when they've been concerned with would store shelves be properly filled, would prices be beyond reach of a family budget? so hard enough that inflation is at this multi-decade level high, but it comes during an election year where the president is trying to get a message.

we've heard again and again how he talks about how certain parts of industry, and today he did it with shipping, have a real lock on parts of the supply chain and the flow of goods. today he was talking about shipping from asia and how nine companies control that, foreign owned, not something the president can deal with and that they have seen their profits go up at a time when americans are waiting for the good that are transported by those companies. so that's one thing where the president is trying to do some education about the global economic picture, putting some of the blame on vladimir putin, talking about covid and all of the impacts there. and then there's also the part in terms of perhaps more personal messaging from the president that might be more relatable during an election year is to make sure he is making the point that he hears american families' concerns.

here's a clip from those comments. >> i understand americans are anxious and they're anxious for good reason. i was raised in a household when the price of gasoline rose precipitously. it made a difference. we've nen seen anything like putin's tax on food and gas. americans should understand that we have unique strengths that we can build on. >> reporter: emphasizing strong points in the u.s. economy, they've also looked at ways to try to reduce gas prices, a limited effect that has happened there with releasing more oil from the strategic petroleum reserve and trying to do things at ports like increase the hours where ports are moving goods through, trying to make changes in the trucking industry to have goods flow through, lots of these sorts of changes that can

have a positive effect. it's a part of a patchwork. it doesn't happen overnight. the administration is in some instances the bypass is much bigger. >> let me talk to jake in california. i guess the question is at least right now people are still spending. triple a says gas prices are up more than 60% in the past year but the energy department says gas usage is down less than 2%. >> reporter: i'm here at berkeley bowl in california, one of two community grocery stores, they basically have to keep us from experiencing the market

forces that you guys were just talking about. you can't let the shortages coming out of ukraine and the way that's affecting everything from fertilizer to grain, you can't let the rising cost of diesel and how that's changing the cost of a fishing fleet, for instance, you can't let the rising price of something like lacroix actually be reflected in the choice you charge your customers. lacroix is something they sell at just a little bit more than cost. they're barely making money on this right now. if you come in and see the price for this thing you like to buy pa 12 pack over and over again has gone up too much, you're turned off from the hole thing and might walk out. you have to protect people against it. as a result, you're hearing that president biden does not have control over some of these forces. when we ask the leadership here what is it like to be watching all this happening and what do you look forward to, what would you like to see changed first, here's how they describe the challenge facing them.

>> if the labor shortage ends but the price of gas goes up, we still are have to worry about pricing. if every silo is full of grain and we still have a shortage, we still have at gas and the labor. >> reporter: the difficulty is we're all just surfing these big geo political economic waves. nobody seems to have their hand on an effective form of a tiller. we can't choose the direction it's all going. we're just trying to get through the best we can. >> this isn't unique to joe biden. one of the things presidents do is they make promises. a major problem here is that when you look at prices for things you can't do without, gas to get in your car and go to work, public transportation costs, frankly, if you don't have a car. food, housing, rent, all those

things that are going up, up, up, the people who can afford it least are the people hurt most. studies show food, gas and housing are a bigger share of total spending for lower income families. so what happens to those folks, many of whom supported the president for exactly that reason. >> it's an ugly picture. i think that's what joe biden was getting to in that the republicans don't really have a plan for that kind of stuff. >> they'll yell about inflation and gas prices. >> but what about the affordability crisis we already had. this stuff, food and gas is just exacerbating problems that we did have some control over and didn't deal with earlier in presidential administrations. that's why he's talking about taking down the price of insulin and working on, you know, making

corporations pay their fair share so we can actually take care of people and look at child care. maybe if we handle some of those things, it will blunt the trauma of high gas prices and high food prices. and that's a good argument to make -- >> if you don't have to pay for your internet. >> it's a good argument to make if people are listening and are willing to say, hey, the republicans don't have an affordability plan at all. and this is the crisis that we're in in general, is an affordability crisis. >> lynnette lopez, thank you for coming in and kelly o'donnell and jake ward, thank you as well. >> and what is next after an emotional night of testimony? we'll ask zoe lofgren next.

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the january 6th committee is gearing up for its second public hearing. this one will focus on former president trump's pressure campaign to try and get then vice president mike pence to stop or delay congress's counting of the electoral votes on january 6, 2021. today we're learning more about efforts to overturn the election. "the washington post" reporting ginni thomas was pressing more than two dozen gop lawmakers in arizona to basically ignore joe biden's win in that state and to point republicans who would cast

electoral college votes for donald trump. they cite in documents showing she sent identical emails to 20 members of the arizona house and seven more members to the arizona state senate. she did not respond to the post for comment. in the past she said she and her husband operate in separate professional lanes. joining me, democratic representative zoe lofgren. are lawmakers aware of these emails and would that indicate perhaps you'd be interested in hearing from ginni thomas? >> the hearing monday is not on the state pressure campaign, it's on the big lie and the formulation of the false narrative that the election was somehow stolen. i will say that the committee has addressed in the past the

evidentiary matters and that those emails are not a surprise to the committee. you know, we only have so much time at each hearing. i think the emails actually speak for themselves. but we will have a number of witnesses when we go into the pressure campaign, which will be shortly after the monday hearing. and there was a broad effort in multiple states by multiple parties associated with the president to try and get republicans in states to essentially throw out the votes of their own people and substitute their own wishes that the president would be elected even though he lost. >> tell us what we can expect and what you think that will resonate with the american people. i think last night there was a lot of emotion, right?

it's a very visceral thing to watch the video we hadn't seen before, to talk about a capitol police officer talk about how she got knocked down and got up again and again and again and continued to try to keep the capitol safe. having said that, moving forward when you want to build an evidentiary case, what should we look for and what is your expectation for your committee to accomplish? >> we need to come up with clear evidence that shows what we said we would prove last night. this was a multi-facetted effort to keep power contrary to the election results. it was really, as the chairman said, it was a coupe to take over the presidency despite the

election. we will have evidence supporting each element of those efforts. as one effort failed, another would be advanced and as i think liz cheney mentioned, the president intended on january 6th to remain president, even though he lost the election. and we saw the rioters that were going to try and disrupt that election so that the former president could retain power. we will have documents, we will have witnesses, and, by the way, virtually all of the witnesses are republicans because they were the ones in a position to see what the president and his associates were doing. there are a lot of voters who liked president trump and they voted for him and when he told

them untrue things, they believed them. we have to be able to provide the evidence that what he told them was not correct to preserve our democracy. this isn't over. we know that the former president is trying to put key people in place in various states so that the votes will not be counted or if they are counted against him if he runs, that they will be thrown out by republicans in key positions in those states. you know, it's just a bedrock principle of our country that the voters decide the president of the united states, not political people, not the president deciding he wants to keep authority. the voters need to decide. that's our republican form of government. we need to defend it. >> one part of this obviously will be what happens at the ballot box, right, and it's not

for your committee to talk about what the legal implications might be but you are a lawyer and so you've looked at the evidence, lots of evidence presumably that we have not seen but will see in in the coming days. based on what you know, how high does this go? and does the evidence that your committee have essentially allow the d.o.j. to bring criminal charges and, if so, how high could those go? >> well, i can't address what the d.o.j. will do. we're a legislative committee. they're the prosecutors. we will make sure that all of the evidence that we have is available to the american people, including the department of justice. but i think if you look at the entire picture, it's very clear that the trail of this criminal and fraudulent action, and that's really what the judge in san diego said on the eastman evidentiary case, that this was

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sophisticated effort. will the evidence give the d.o.j. what it needs to make a case? here's cheney with a glimpse into trump's world that day. >> aware of the rioters' chants to hang mike pence, president responded with "maybe our supporters have the right idea, mike pence, quote, deserves it." >> ali vitale is with us, joyce vance is with us, along with doug high. ali, the people that room, it should be pointed out, last night, understand what happened better than anyone else because they lived it, right? or at least they've been immersed in the investigation or both or they covered it like you. take us inside that room and whether you think what you saw

and felt, those of us watching couldn't see maybe will do when we watch this case going forward. give us a sense of what it was like to be in that room and what it portends going forward. >> reporter: chris, there was so much tension in that hearing room last night. a lot of trauma because members who were attending, sitting just feet away from where i was in the room were watching something unfold that they had experienced in realtime but they also never saw the other side of. so, for example, when we heard from chairman of joint chiefs mark milley talking about the difference between what he was hearing from former vice president mike pence versus what he was hearing from trump and mark meadows and others who were close to the former president on that day, there was a really striking difference that milley exposed during those comments, and it's something that the lawmakers themselves reacted to in realtime. some of them shook their head, others of them said "jesus

christ" and when i talked to them after when they left the hearing room, that was one of the things i asked them about knowing that while you were cowering on the floor in the house chamber, fearing for your live in many cases as they told me they were, what was it like to see the other side of that conversation? and something that congresswoman camilla told me and she rewatched in tears because it was so triggering and retraumatizing, she felt she knew those details but that hearing it felt really different for her last night. i think it's a reminder as you and i and others have talked about that even though this was something that lawmakers experienced themselves, that americans watched on tv, that even if we're not learning something new about there was an insurrection at the capitol, there are new details that are being trickled out in these hearings about what was happening inside the white house and juxtaposing them directly with what was happening directly

inside the building that i am standing here talking to you from right now. that's striking. and the fact that they're using not just witnesses but people from the former president's own orbit to tell that story is really compelling to that narrative. >> let me ask you about a couple of those details if i can, joyce. one of the things that luke broadwater pointed out in his writings for "the new york times" was that the then president trump endorsed the idea of hanging his vice president, which may be the most damning of all the revelations. do you agree with that and in total where do you see that fitting in to this story? >> it plays two roles. it's shocking. it is absolutely shocking. even after living through four years of the trump presidency to hear this. if prosecutors can prove those words came out of the former president's mouth, it has that value of showing he was divorced from reality, divorced from american values and divorced

from his oath. but on a more specific level as prosecutors think about proving the elements of crimes, this is valuable because it shows that rather than being committed to the smooth transfer of power, the former president again here was willing to see even violence take place, if that would help to accomplish the illegal goal that he was apparently intent upon setting. >> another revelation, liz cheney said several republican congressmen, joyce, including scott perry, she name checked him, asked for a presidential pardon after january 6th. for what if nothing happened? >> well, that's exactly the point. this is what prosecutors would call evidence of guilty knowledge. you don't ask for a pardon unless you think there's a problem. you ask for a pardon if you think you're involved in criminal conduct and will need a get out of jail card down the

road. i think the important takeaway is they thought they did. they tried to get a presidential pardon to guarantee their future safety. that's something as a prosecutor you want to hone in on and follow up on because they believed it so we should give it that level of credibility and follow the evidence, wherever it leads. >> i'm wondering, doug, whether it's that specifically or anything else that comes out, especially particular members of congress, those who might be running for reelection. is there anything here that could cause them any problems, if says -- let's just say that they are running in a tight race due to redistricting. is anybody paying attention to what they're saying about these republicans or perhaps are you sensing among the republicans you know any nervousness that there could be criminal charges coming? >> well, it goes to that last point of the unknown of what criminal charges may be. as gut wrenching as last night

was and this was certainly some political theater but it was also very much of a legal process or the beginning of one. and we'll have to see who gets indicted or who doesn't, but it seems very clear this committee is going to be presenting evidence to the american people and the department of justice of criminal activity. if you're running for reelection, that's where you'll have a problem. otherwise issues you've been talking about, especially inflation, are what's going to dominate the elections. >> the committee went to great pains i think to back up its claims with pretty clear evidence, including their assertion that donald trump had repeatedly been told there was no election fraud. let's take a look. >> i made it clear i did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuff, which i told the president was bull [ bleep ]. >> how did it affect your perspective when attorney general barr made that statement? >> it affected my perspective.

i respect attorney general barr, so i accepted what he was saying. >> in a second i'm going to ask you about the legal implications. those weren't the only two people that essentially gave that message. doug, let me ask you what you think the implications are. >> it goes to the legality and who said what and when did they say it. this is evidence that he has but we don't know. one of the things that liz cheney made clear is they have more information than we do and quite often then potential subjects. and as this process plays out, that's when we're going to see who has legal exposure and who doesn't. >> i asked zo lofgren that question. they have been very careful, members of this committee. and ali will tell you they don't want to wander over to d.o.j. territory, but you can't listen

to this stuff and not say, hmm, how could that possibly fit into a case and how high could it go? the implication is all the way to the top. talk to me about the idea that so many people were telling donald trump the truth and, two, the big picture of transference offer to the d.o.j. >> so this evidence, this evidence that people around the former president were telling him you didn't win the election, it numerically impossible for you to get enough votes. the fact that his own attorney general, bill barr, who had been quite the wing plan and quite the proponent of many of the president's misdeeds nonetheless drew a line in the sand here and made clear what he thought about the allegations of fraud. this puts the former president in a very peculiar situation because really his defense to any misconduct would be i really thought that i won the election, i was just trying to see the

right thing done. and at a point where he's been subjected to so much evidence that makes it very clear that not only has he not won but there is no fraud that's taken place on a scale that would amount to anything close to what what would be necessary to overturn an election, let alone at all, right? because there's virtually no evidence of fraud from -- the president has his head in the sand, act being like an ostrich, remaining willfully blind. that means prosecutors can be able to tag him potentially with the sort of knowledge and intent that they would need to tag him with in order to obtain a conviction. >> more to come, ali. what are you looking for on monday? >> -- about the former president's mindset and the fact that the committee said he knew

he lost the election and was pursuing an election fraud strategy anyway. that mindset is one of the things the committee is thinking is crucial here and that begs the questions that you are asking and others are talking about is when you know you are defrauding an electorate, what are the ramifications for that, what are the consequences? accountability is the natural outgrowth of these kind of hearings. the committee is clearly trying to prove the former president's role in this. they even had people, not even his attorney general, who theoretically is not trump's lawyer, who is the government's lawyer. instead, they had a campaign lawyer who was paid by trump to find what he was talking about trying to find. and he came back and told meadows, that they couldn't find any of the fraud and that the election had been lost. a lot of resources have been put into proving the fact that trump knew what was going on and pursued is this strategy anyway. then they'll start moving into, what was the pressure campaign

against mike pence. what was the pressure campaign at the statewide level? bringing that down to the elector strategy, all of those false slates of electors that we've talked about. and ultimately, they're going to land, liz cheney sad last night, on those critical minutes of what was happening inside the capitol, juxtaposed with what's happening inside the white house. that's the story telling piece of it, but that's where the focus will truly be on the former president. >> ali vitali, joyce vance, thank all. on defense, the uvalde school police chief talking for first time about his response to the school shooting. he said his officers never, quote, hesitated, even for a moment, to put themselves at risk to save the children. one of the reporters who interviewed him joins me next on chris jansing reports. s me nextn s me nextn chris jansing reports. if you can help heal your skin from within? hide my skin? not me. dupixent helps keep you one step ahead of eczema, with clearer skin and less itch.

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arredondo is defending his delay in confronting the gunman who killed 19 students and 2 teachers. arredondo told "the texas tribune" he ran towards danger with his glock service pistol and no body armor knowing he could die. he said he intentionally left behind not one, but two police radios, worried that they might slow him down. he said he didn't see himself as the incident commander, contradicting texas safety officials who said he made the stand to call down, prompting officers from moving to an active shooter protocol to a barricaded gunman. arredondo told the tribune he did not know who was making those critical calls. joining me now, texas tribune's zach despart. the heart of it is arredondo said he ran towards danger, and foremost in his mind, and i'm quoting him based on your story, was to eliminate threats.

which would be, exactly what active shooter training would tell you to do, right? get there, take out the threat. but then you write this. that he spent more than an hour in the hallway of robb elementary school, he called for tactical gear, a sniper, and keys to get inside, holding back from the doors for 40 minutes to avoid provoking sprays of gunfire. when keys arrived, he tried dozens of them, but one by one, they failed to work. how does he justify that delay? >> sure. and thank you for having us, chris. the reason that chief arredondo explained the delay to myself and my colleague was that there was simply no way that police could easily get through the two classroom doors behind which the gunman had barricaded himself before police were even able to get into the school and confront him. he said the best option in his mind was to wait until he could find a key to open that door and

at that point, that was the safest and most effective way for police to confront the shooter. now, he talked with police tactics experts about this approach, and they raised a particular alarm about fact that as school district police, whose primary jurisdiction are the very campuses that include robb elementary, those police including arredondo did not have easy access to keys to get them into any room at any point for any reason, because that is their primary job. >> the decision not to bring his radio is one question, but did he believe that as a result he didn't know that some of the kids and the teacher in the classroom were alive and perhaps in desperate need of medical help. did he tell you it was a mistake to leave them behind? >> no. he said, he made a conscience decision to leave both of his police radios when he arrived at the school. he said the reason for that is because he wanted to be able to use both of his hands on his service pistol if he needed to

use it. he said the priority was to rush the gunman, confront him as soon as possible. they confronted that locked door, and that's when police experts told us that offered an opportunity for arredondo being the most senior officer on scene, that reported incident commander according to state officials to regroup, have a better plan, but without that radio, it really hampered the ability for him to do that. >> i can only say that this is a very deeply reported story, as well as the interview. i recommend people go look at it on texas tribune.com. zach despart, thank you so much. don't go anywhere. as our coverage of the january 6th hearings continue, we'll talk with a reporter who has been on this story since the beginning when this special edition of "chris jansing reports" picks back up after the break. "chris jansing reports" picks back up after the break. to learn you could save with america's number one motorcycle insurer. that's right, jamie. but it's not just about savings.

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