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trading week. it's due to this morning's worse-than-expected read on inflation. now 8.6%. there were hopes today that it would bring signs that price spikes were easing. instead, they got worse led by that record surge in gas prices. we'll have a lot more on that. but on capitol hill, the house january 6th committee is getting ready for its next hearing on monday, which will focus on the big lie. the is committee will zoom in on former president trump's efforts to convince voters the election was stolen from him. next phase of the hearing comes after several major revelations during the prime-time kickoff. among the biggest, vice chair liz cheney pointing to testimony that when donald trump was told that rioters were chanting, "hang mike pence," the former president said, maybe his supporters had the right idea and that pence deserved it. nbc news national senior political reporter, suehill kapur is on capitol hill. glenn kirschner is a msnbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, and i'm joined by

michael schmidt, msnbc national security contributor. michael, you have been immersed in this since january 6th. you know this incredibly well. did things surprise you last night? and what does that lead you to hope or expect for answers to on monday? >> i think the committee's biggest challenge was basically, so much had been written and covered about this event. there may be more footage of this event than any other crime in american history. books have been written, newspaper articles, all sort of things. podcasts. everything telling the story of january 6th. and the committee's challenge was to create that moment. a moment where people could identify with the people who were either around donald trump or who were trying to storm the capitol. not identify with him, but see their stories. and the officers who were on the ground. and what the committee, i think, was able to do was to take all

of this information that has been out there and to bring it to life. they did it through playing video of the president's son-in-law and the president's daughter. by playing video of bill barr. the things that came out of bill barr's mouth last night are things that we knew about what he has said to the president and his view of things. but what it did was, you heard bill barr essentially cursing on national television, sitting in a deposition. he was the person who was largely seen as the great trump ally possible. someone who was able to lead the justice department in a way that trump, you know, forever dreamed. and here he was, you know, explicitly, you know, using an expletive, laying out what he told the president. and bringing a to life, you know, was a challenge for them. and i think the videos were able to help them do that. >> is there a feeling on the hill, sahil, that they were effective, number one. and where do they take that from

here? what do we look for specifically on monday? >> reporter: the committee hopes they will be effective. they're right to reach a couple of different types of americans. those who might be sympathetic to their argument about january 6th, but who don't understand how all of these events are interconnected. and those who simply haven't heard enough about, you know, the way those dots are connected. the connection between then president trump's pressure on the justice department and election officials. and the violence that happened on the day of january 6th, on this capitol. as for the next hearing on monday, we got a bit of a preview last night, as to what it will entail when the chairman of the committee, bennie thompson played a montage from trump supporters who stormed the capitol, explaining why they did it. they said, it's because of trump. they said, he wanted us there. he invited us there. we did it for them. a number of them said they genuinely believed that the election was being stolen and they wanted to do something about it. and thompson said the committee will examine the lies that led these people to storm the capitol and try to prevent the peaceful transfer of power.

we don't exactly know a full slate of witnesses from the committee, but one person we do know will be testifying is a man named chris stirewahl, he has been critical of his former employer and what he calls trump's hype man in the media who in his view cynically pushed a false narrative that poisoned the discourse and that contributed to the events of january 6th. his unique insight into the inner workings of conservative media will be useful to the committee as they lean on him to tell the story of how the information environment got this bad and led people to storm the capitol, chris. >> glenn, what will you be watching for as the committee focuses on the big lie on monday? >> chris, i'll continue to be watching for the tactical choices made with respect to how to present this to the american people? this is a trial of courts, not a criminal trial, but, you know, it's a trial in the court of public opinion and we the american people are all sitting in the front row of the jury box. so, you know, i was really

interested to see that the very first witness we saw video testimony of last night, was bill barr. i don't think i could have predicted that. why did they start with bill barr? well, as michael said, it's important to actually see donald trump's attorney general, who some say was more of a consigliere in many ways, actually say that i told donald trump his claims of election fraud were bulls. that was important to see. some people still have this lingering doubt as to whether donald trump has corrupt intent, had corrupt intent throughout. i don't have that doubt. with far less evidence than they have amassed against donald trump. >> let me stop you there. i talked to zoe loftgren about this, and obviously, they're trying to keep what the doj is doing separate from what this committee might be doing. but did you hear something new or are you expecting to hear something new that says to you,

wow, they've got to bring a case here? >> oh, i think everything we see will ultimately lead to the conclude that the department of justice has to bring a case and charge these people criminally for what they did. especially after we, the people, see the evidence with our own eyes and reach our own decision that the evidence proves guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. doj will have nowhere to go. think about the flip side of the coin, chris. if they were to decline to hold donald trump and rudy giuliani and the rest of them accountable for what they did to our democracy, they're not just giving permission to the next sort of aspiring dictator, they're actually encouraging them to replicate what donald trump just did to this nation over the past couple of years and perhaps then some. so, you know, i do think the other thing i wanted to mention was, i was interested to see they used a lot of republican voices in the video clips that they showed last night.

not just bill barr, but marc short and jason miller and the republican pollster who also delivered bad news to donald trump. and ivanka herself, who said she kind of sided with bill barr's estimation that there was no election fraud over her father's. it's smart to use republican voices to prove donald trump's misconduct, because that will at least blunt some of the criticism that this is just a political endeavor. >> so, michael, time after time after time, they showed evidence that said that donald trump was told that the big lie is exit poll that. it's a big lie, including, as we saw very colorly by bill barr. but also, liz cheney revealed what would suggest that other republicans knew that they had done something wrong, because she said that there will be evidence that they wanted pardons. take a listen. >> as you will see, representative perry contacted the white house in the weeks after january 6th to seek a presidential pardon.

multiple other republican congressmen also sought presidential pardons for their roles in attempts to overturn the 2020 election. >> based on what we've seen, you have to believe that that committee is going to show you the evidence for what she just said. >> also, she called out the republicans. obviously, this was all focused on donald trump's behavior, how he was the center of it, he was the coup leader. i mean, they all but said that, they did say that. but what she also did was she paused in the middle of either her opening statement or one of the back and forths, i think maybe it was in the opening statement, where she said that republicans will forever pay the price more how they have responded to this. >> yeah, she said donald trump will go away, essentially, but this will continue to be on you. >> this will continue to be on you, republicans, who have done nothing here. here i am, one of two republicans on this committee, a republican who has turned on

donald trump in an effort to get to the bottom of what happened on january 6th and the republican party, you will forever, you know, be stained by how you did respond to this. and, really, you know, last night was not about the republicans. it was much more about donald trump. but i found that moment to be pretty stunning. >> one of the things we heard going into this, sahil kapur, was the fact that republicans had a plan. they were going to go on offense. they were going to have essentially a war room. we heard them say, we already have media set up. we're going to be doing interviews. we're going to refute what we believe is an illegitimate process here. now that day one, that the opening night is over, what are we hearing from republicans. >> it's been a bit of a mixed bag, chris. a large number of republicans have been silent about this. they don't want to step in to incite a public feud with them. they would rather talk about

other things. there's a significant group about firm trump allies within the republican party who are stepping in to defend him. the arguments are typically that the committee is a partisan committee, even though it has two republicans. they argue that all of these appointees were ultimately made by speaker nancy pelosi, a number of kevin mccarthy, the house minority leader's recommendations were blocked by speaker pelosi. one of them is a man named jim banks, a republican congressman. let's have a listen to what he has to say. >> nothing came out of it that we didn't know before, didn't change anybody's minds. at the end of the day, this committee is trying to prosecute donald trump for crimes that he did not committee. and last night proved that they don't have any evidence that shows anything that's different than that. >> and then there's donald trump himself, who issued a series of posts today, on his social media platform, disavowing any responsibility for january 6th, insisting it wasn't caused by me, it was caused by a rigged election. fact check, that election was not rigged. it was fairly conducted. he also criticized his daughter,

ivanka trump, for siding with then attorney general bill barr, when he said that there was no evidence of rigging or stealing of an election. he said that claim from trump was bs, although he used the full form of that word. it's quite notable to see the former president critical of his daughter. he said, ivanka trump was not involved in looking at or studying election results. she had long since checked out and was, in my opinion, only trying to be respectful to bill barr and his position as attorney general. unquote. >> and i want to ask you about glenn and michael about the political and legal things you're looking for. glenn, looking to what was promised in the hearings, what do you see coming up as the most important thing you can learn legally? >> you know, i think, i'll be looking for more evidence of donald trump's corrupt intent. that's the only slight opening, i think. there may still be in shoring up

donald trump's criminal culpability. i anxiously await the folks that were present. and he was again told that there was no election fraud. and he said, i'm paraphrasing, as best i recall, just say there was. and leave it up to me and my allies in congress. and as a follow-on, chris, we now know that there are members of congress who requested pardons. you only request a pardon if you're trying to escape accountability for a crime you have committed. so i'm going to be looking for information about those two topics. >> and politically, michael? >> i think -- look, tons of questions. but can -- is there some sort of tie between the groups on the ground, the militias that planned and stormed the capitol, and trump's true inner circle. now, we know what was said publicly, we know how these groups responded to trump's statements publicly, we know that, you know, these are people

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the stock market is less than an hour away from closing for the week. and barring a huge turnaround, it will finish solidly in the red. right now, let's take a look. thedown 640 points as americans try to absorb everything from sky-nigh inflation to record-high gas prices that feed that inflation. just an hour ago, president biden spoke at the port of los angeles about the pain americans are feeling right now, insisting his administration is doing all it can to help. but he also said his efforts are being undercut by things like the war in ukraine, what he called the putin price hike, as

well as shipping companies and oil companies. the pain is widespread. according to a new report out today, prices on everything from fuel to food to car and plane tickets are up double digits in the past year. even housing and clothes up 5%. according to moody's analytics, american households paying $460 more every month to buy the same amount of goods skpfss is they were getting last year. i want to bring in cnbc's kate rogers and politico's chief economic's correspondent, ben white. good to see you guys. ben, i want to ask you about what the president said, that the white house is doing all its can. he talked about putin shipping companies, oil companies, he called out exxon. does he have a point? >> he has a point that the president has limited control over inflation, but not necessarily the rest of it. pooud's invasion of ukraine obviously drove up oil prices sharply after that happened, but they were already going up and core inflation on everything was already going up before that.

so it's not all down to putin's price hike. and as you said, there's just pain everywhere. you've got, you know, groceries up 12% and energy at 34%. so we're paying more in the stores, we're paying more at the pump, and people are really unhappy about it and consumer confidence has fallen off a cliff. >> there are some indicators that are good. low employment, for example. but that consumer sentiment number out today was pretty shock, the lowest ever. lower than during the great recession, lower during the dotcom bust. >> these high inflation ratings are starting to weigh on american consumer psychings. this was a preliminary reading. as you said, it's a record low. there were big drops in the outlook for the year ahead and how consumers are assessing their own personal finances. gas prices are also weighing on respondents, nearing $5 a gallon.

when you continue to see prices climbing, gas prices soaring, the pandemic is still lingering and there's a ton of market volatility. that all adds up. it hasn't translated just yet to a big pullback in consumer spending. we'll see if that happens, but we're starting to see big companies like target and starbucks. >> you point out, ben, while the year over year inflation number is bad, the month-to-month number is often the more important one. that number was bad, too. what does that tell us? >> it tells us you want to look at month over month, because you want to see progress that we're making from a very high point. you know, a year ago. but the progress we're making right now to bring inflation down. in april, 0.3%. in may, 1%. that's a big jump for a month. it's the exact opposite of what the administration wants to see, the fed wants to see, and they are freaked out that these numbers will make the fed jack up interest rates much faster,

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for a lot of travelers, it's been one of the most stressful aspects of traveling abroad, but now the biden administration is ending the requirement that anyone flying into the u.s. test negative for covid first. the change takes effect at 12:01 eastern on sunday. nbc news correspondent josh letterman joins me now from the white house. so, why this call now from the white house, josh? >> reporter: well, i spoke to a senior biden administration, chris, who told me that the cdc made this decision. they're saying this was not a white house-imposed decision, but one that the cdc came to based on the current data and science, but that they are putting this in place for a period of 90 days, while they re-evaluate whether the situation changes, the data changes, and whether it might be necessary at some point in the

future to reimpose a covid testing requirement to enter the u.s. the officials saying if there's a new troubling variant that emerges, certainly the cdc will be open to re-evaluaing the data as it comes in and will continue to eevaluate as the situation developses. whether at any point in time that covid testing requirement is advisable. but in the meantime, the cdc is still recommending that if you get on an airplane, regardless if it's an international flight or a domestic flight, that you be tested before you take that flight. they're simply not going territory it for international travelers who are entering the u.s., which is something the airlines, frankly, have been calling on for weeks now. >> and u.s.-based -- yeah, airlines, travel agents, even other countries have been lobbying, because in part, they say, this is a huge part of a recovering economy, allowing people to come into the country. and also, giving americans the knowledge that if they go, they're going to be able to get

back. what's the white house take on the potential economic impact? >> the white house hasn't addressed what they think they will happen economically because of this. but we have certainly heard from the travel industry, who believes that millions of additional visitors will come to the u.s. once this restriction, this requirement is lifted at 12:01 a.m. on sunday morning. in fact, the airlines have pointed out that compared to pre-pandemic levels, domestic air travel is still down about 7%. but for international travel, it's down 14%, which they believe indicates that this pre-travel testing requirement was a key reason that people were not resuming their international travel plans to the u.s. they are hoping that once this is lifted, there's going to be a whole lot more foreigners coming to the u.s. on vacation, and that could have a significant economic impact for the country, chris. >> josh letterman, thank you for that. joining me now, dr. uche blackstock, founder and ceo of advancing health equity.

good to see you. so do you think this is the right time for the u.s. to drop that testing requirement for incoming travelers? >> that's such a great question. and right now we are in the midst of a surge. we just found out a few days ago that congressional funding is being rationed, to be focused on vaccines and therapeutics because we don't have enough to cover testing and ppe. so obviously, i think the decision by the cdc has been made not in the best interest of public health. they say they made this decision because there are enough vaccines and therapeutics that people can test on their own. but we already know that there is an issue with people having adequate enough supplies of vaccines, therapeutics, and testing. so i many concern is this is not the right time and that we are heading into another surge, most likely in the fall and winter. and so this may lead to increased infection. >> well, that point, as summer travel ticks up, we're starting to see some tourist destinations become hot spots, miami,

honolulu, san juan, all positivity rates over 20%. one public health expert said, quote, covid hasn't disappeared, as much as our patience for precautions has. is that where we are right now? >> chris, i don't know who that expert is, but i agree wholeheartedly with that expert. covid is not going anywhere. we're not going back to the normal that was pre-pandemic. i think that we often think that in these hot spots or actually in these warmer places that because people are outdoors, we have to worry less about covid transmission. but the fact is, is that as people travel more and restrictions are lifted, they have to be indoors at a certain point. that's why we're seeing these rates go up in honolulu and in miami. and so if we don't have those restrictions there, we'll continue to see cases going up. so i think locally, leaders will have to make a decision about whether or not to put some of those covid protections back in place. >> you know, there are some larger school districts,

pittsburgh, philadelphia, sacramento. they're actually bringing back mask requirements for summer school because there are rising cases there. "the wall street journal" reports there are smaller districts that are doing it, too. as a percentage, it's not a lot, but they're definitely doing it. do you think that should be done? if so, what sort of would be the tipping point, do you think? >> so, chris, i think this does make sense. unfortunately, the way the public has been educated with that covid protections and restrictions have been lifted, we're done with it. but there should be clear on and off-ramps. it should based on vaccination rates, community transmission, transmission rates in the school, as well. all of those factors should be play in as to whether restrictions are reinstated or lifting. so it makes a lot of sense to me, if those communities where those schools are located, rates are going up, that masks be reinstated. >> and i want to ask you about monkey pox. the cdc has confirmed more than a thousand cases worldwide.

the w.h.o director says that our window to contain the outbreak is narrowing. should we with worried? >> i do think that we need to inform the public about what monkey pox is and what to look out for. there are some uncommon trends happening with monkey pox right now is that in some locations like the uk, canada, and the states that there is evidence for community transmission. that there is not a person from central or west africa that may have brought it to those areas. so we know that probably for several months, community transmission has been happening . so we need to educate people what to look for, what the rash looks like, what the symptoms are, and how it spread. right now, the cases are relatively low, it's relatively rare, but informing the public will be important. >> dr. uche blackstock, thank you for joining us on this friday. thank you. and we're expecting a weekend of extreme temperatures in what the national weather service is calling a dangerous and deadly heat wave.

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on every continent, in my own country, the forces that unleashed mob violence on our capitol are still churning out misinformation and conspiracy theories. >> for those of us who fervently believe in the ideals of democracy, the question is, how do we respond? >> those comments as new video released at the request of nbc news shows a pivotal moment from january 6th. the video recorded on the head cam of recently convicted rioters shows insurrectionists breaking through capitol police lines before heading straight towards the front steps of the capitol. that video was shot by nolan cook. earlier today, he was sentenced to one year and one day in prison for his role in the attack. i want to bring in democratic congressman joe neguse of california. of course, he was one of the impeachment managers in former president trump's second impeachment trial. thank you so much for joining

us. new video there. i know you saw what happened last night. and i wonder just what goes through your mind, as someone who works at the capitol every day when you see that video, the new video and what we saw last evening. >> well, good to be with you, chris. thanks for having me on. look, as, you know, i was on the floor of the house in the capitol on january 6th. i saw plenty of footage, as we prepared for the impeachment trial. and still, watching that video last night at the hearing displayed to the american people was just unbelievable. it's jarring, it's raw, it's visceral. and it's disturbing. and it should shock the conscience of each and every american. i think the hearing yesterday, the opening hearing of the january 6th committee was incredibly compelling and a reminder of just how close we came to losing our republic on that fateful day. and the real danger that still exists today, which i think president obama articulated well in the clip that you just showed

in real the threat that western democracies are facing, including here at home in the united states. >> it's interesting you say that, but zoe loftgren said that. and i want to play for you what she had to say. >> this isn't over. we know that the former president is trying to put key people in place in various states so that the votes will not be counted, or if they are counted against him if he runs, that they will be thrown out by republicans in key positions in those states. >> given everything that's going on, realistically, is this something that democrats can use as an issue in november and how concerned are you that there

will be more members of congress elected that will share the big lie. >> i share the concerns expressed by my colleague loftgren. and we warned of the threats that existed to our republic as a result of what happened an january 6th and the conspiracy to disrupt the safe -- the peaceful transfer of power. and the truth is, i think those threats have metastasized over the course of the last year and a half. from my perspective, i see this through a legislative lens. the reality is we have a short window over the course of the next several months, i believe, to take steps within the congress to reform our laws, including the electoral count act, which is an archaic law that was weaponized during the last certification of electoral results back in 2021. i think it's incumbent upon members of both parties to step forward and get something done over the course of the next several months, and of course, the hearings that are in process, which began last night are an important part of that

legislative process. so i'm certainly committed to working with my colleagues to accomplish as much. >> as you well know, the doj has taken a measured approach so far to prosecuting those, certainly, members of the committee believe are at the highest levels of this, namely, former president trump, his inner circle. do you think that what comes out of these hearings will either pressure them or give them information they need to pursue more high-level prosecutions? is that your expectation? >> in my view, chris, i think holdings these hearings is a necessary step towards transparency and accountability and ensuring that a deadly assault on our democracy, like the one that happened on january 6th, never happens again. it's important for the department of justice to proceed on an a-political basis and decisions about criminal prosecutions and the like, those will be made by the department of justice and they should be made without any type of interference, and i would reserve -- or rather, refrain from commenting any further on

that front. i will say that i'm very eager to learn more about some of the developments that were shared during the course of last night's hearing. there was a lot shared during that hearing that i certainly wasn't aware of and i suspect many of my colleagues weren't ware of, in particular, the revelations around the vice president's role in terms of the response to january 6th and essentially, the constitutional order, it appears, breaking down, for at least a period of time, when the former president abdicated his duties as commander in chief to defend the capitol and order in the national guard. there's a lot more that we'll learn over the next several weeks and it's important for the american people to have access to that information. >> congressman joe neguse. thank you so much. we appreciate you being on the program. up next, the senate left town for the weekend, but gun talks continue virtually today. our latest reporting on where they stand this hour. our latest reporting on where th seytand this hour i love all types of dancing... salsa, and even belly dancing! i am a triathlete.

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no agreement yet. both sides did plan to meet virtually to work out lingering issues. ali vitali joins me from capitol hill with an update on where those talks stand. so what do we know about these virtual meetings and the lingering sticking points? >> chris, the general consensus has been that they want these conversations to go on for as long as they need to actually get a deal. that's why you've seen this kind of sustained optimism, even if it seems, at least publicly, that they've stalled, because no framework or details have been announced. what we do know, based on the three or four buckets that we've been long been talking about,e those things are pretty firm. they've been baked pretty much throughout the entire process. you can pull them up on your screen and see what i'm talking about. specifically when it comes to mental health and school safety. those things seem to be pretty figured out according to our sources. it's when you start getting into red flag laws that they are still getting pretty detailed,

saying they're offering more carrots than sticks for states trying to incentivize them for these programs. but the real sticking point here is that first bullet point on your screen, making juvenile records part of the background check process for people 18 to background check process. negotiators seem to have said no to a more near universal background check reform and honing in on this as one of the things they'd like to change better to make it loophole free for people trying to buy a firearm. of course, the end of the week was one of the things that negotiators including murphy and others would have liked to have a deal on and we did expect to have chris murphy at an event and we'll ask you if they were close. what you see on the screen is the negotiators that have been a part of this and they're optimistic and timelines at this point with a deal by early this week and a deal by early next week.

timeliness are arbitrary as long as they get this done. >> ali vitali, thank you for that. he was 15 years old when shooting began at columbine high school killing 12 of his classmates and zach is in washington ahead of the rally for gun are gun control which kicks off minutes from now. thank you for being with us. i want to ask you about new reporting this week on uvalde. "the new york times" reports that officers waited in the hallway longer than an hour for equipment to protect themselves even though supervisors at the scene were told some of those trapped needed medical equipment. we should say their reporting is based on analysis with bodycam footage which nbc news has not seen, but at columbine, and you know this well, a teacher, dave sanders was trapped for hours and died, and i wonder when you hear some of the stories that sound so eerily similar all

these years later, what do you think? >> you know, i think that's a part of the why i'm here is that 23 years later we're still going through these same scenarios year after year and they're increasing in frequency and i'm here as a survivor, as a teacher and as a father and see the issue through all three of those lenses and as a survivor, 23 years on it's -- it is honestly frustrating to still be here and still having this conversation and still urging our senate to take action to make schools a safer place for kids across this country, and as a teacher, it still is mind-boggling that 23 years later we're still wondering what would i do if an active shooter comes into my school. what will i use to barricade my door? and students are concerned about

that and as a father, 23 years after the, vent, it still is extremely frustrating to still be having to have those conversations. i never thought 23 years ago i'd be having to talk to my 4-year-old daughter about active shooting drills or still having those conversations and so, you know, i'm here with the march for our lives to ask senate to get something done by the time we go back to school in august. >> i covered columbine and i was in your community for a couple of weeks and i thought things would change. i was at newtown, and i thought they're little kids for sure. things will change and most people thought that, right? as you say, here we are again. obviously, making your voice heard, marching will make a difference. just explain to me how you channel that frustration that you feel again as a survivor, a teacher, a father, and what you

think will ultimately make a difference here? >> i really think it's about hope. >> i think marching and making our voices heard and channeling that anger and that frustration into something as positive as we possibly can do. i talk to my students a lot about using negative emotions or negative experiences and turning those into positives, and i think channeling that into hope going forward at the rally, i see young people, young survivors demanding change, and i think there's hope for that. i think there are talks and i think this time it's different ask that's what keeps me going is that hope. >> i'm interested -- i think it's interesting that you say this time it's different. i don't know if you saw the pictures of the folks that are negotiating that we had up on the screen. if you could talk to them right now in that meeting what would you say to them? >> i would say -- i would say, you know, do your job, and i think one of your most sacred responsibilities as a senator in

this government is for the safety of the people that elected you and that you represent, and i think eiffel here 23 years later it's clear this isn't a flash in the pan, one-time event that will just resolve itself. we have to take steps. we have to take conscious action to make change, and so i would ask them to have that courage to take that step. >> we have almost no time left, but i want to ask you, what do you think they're missing about this? what are the folks who are so against it missing about your story and so many other people's stories? >> i'm really not sure, honestly. i have a totally different perspective and experience. it's very difficult for me to speak from a different perspective. i understand it's out there, and i understand it and i don't think i can speak to that -- yeah. i don't think i can speak to

that. >> i have to say i am always just so impressed with survivors and the fact that you've become a teacher and you're at columbine and trying to make a difference, thank you, zack, thank you for what you're doing. we appreciate it. >> that will do it for us this hour. make sure you join us for chris jansing reports every thursday at 1:00 eastern time on msnbc. "deadline: white house" starts right after this quick break. ses right after this quick break riders! let your queries be known. uh, how come we don't call ourselves bikers anymore? i mean, "riders" is cool, but "bikers"...is really cool. -seriously? -denied. can we go back to meeting at the rec center? the commute here is brutal. denied. how do we feel about getting a quote to see if we can save with america's number one motorcycle insurer? should flo stop asking the same question every time? -approved! -[ altered voice ] denied! [ normal voice ] whoa. you ever wonder why people are always on their phones? they're banking, with bank of america. look at this guy.

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hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. well, last night it was just the beginning. an explosive and revelatory first night of public testimony by the january 6th, select committee made its opening argument clear about the insurrection at the u.s. capitol and who was at fault. one disgraced, deplatformed ex-president named donald trump, an unrelenting two hours that centered on the evidence including never-before-seen testimony, gut-wrenching video and the facts that had never been reported in the press or anywhere also and all around the essential argument that trump himself was the engine and the fuel, his closest allies were the co-conspirators and the plan itself was carefully orchestrated and executed to disrupt the fundamental functions of democracy and government. >> over multiple months donald trump oversaw and