stepping time with you. i'll be anchoring at 9:00 p.m. eastern, campaign member jake lauria, our friend michael blesh loss. it's anchoring live at 9:00 p.m. eastern tonight, join me this, 9:00 p.m. eastern and 6:00 pacific. hope you have a great weekend. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. baas ♪ ♪ >> tonight on "the reidout" -- >> on the morning of january 6th, president donald trump's intension was to remain president of the united states despite the lawful outcome of the 2020 election. >> donald trump intended to remain president, and he was determined to do whatever it would take to stop the transfer of power. that's it. that's the case. now the january 6th committee presented last night everything trump did was part of his effort to use every means necessary to stay in power. a member of the committee will join me in a moment.

also tonight, liz cheney described kevin mccarthy as shaken on january 6th, scared and calling members of the trump family for help. now, he's calling the investigation of the attack illegitimate. what happened to the republican leader who privately said he would hold people accountable for the insurrection? plus, devastating new reporting about the police response to the uvalde shooting. according to the "new york times," officers knew there were kids in need of medical help but waited to enter the classroom anyway. we begin with the legal case against trump and why it matters. as president biden declared today the violent siege against democracy is far from over. >> it's important to the american people to understand what truly happened and to understand that the same forces that led january 6th remain in effect today. >> trump lost election. we know that. you know that. the committee has now proved that trump and his advisers knew it, too.

>> i made it clear i did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuff which i told the president was bullshit. >> i respected attorney general brar, so i accepted what he was saying. >> at some point the conversation the lead data person was brought on, and i remember he delivered to the president pretty blunt terms that he was going to lose. >> that big lie wasn't just big. it was pernicious, catastrophic. it called to arms, and when his very own vice president walked away from that lie, trump unleashed his mob, a group the committee chair bennie thompson called domestic enemies of the constitution. >> mike pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn't, that will be a sad day for our country. because you'll never ever take

back our country with weakness. have you to show strength, and you have to be strong. >> hold the line! hold the line! hold the line! hold the line! >> break the line. >> this was the result. the actual attack on the capitol, an attack that was planned, that wasn't impromptu violence that popped off because folks got excited. this wasn't a case of innocent bistanders who got swept up in some spontaneous attempt to overthrow the government. the committee made that clear that this was a coordinated multi-step effort saying members of the violent extremist group proud boys marched towards the capitol before trump's speech had even begun. they showed video evidence of a secret militia meeting between

proud boys and oath keepiers leaders in the d.c. parking lot the night before january 6. according to the department of justice the oath keepers leaders said we're not going to go through this without a civil war, the very word war that came up again by capitol police officer caroline edwards when describing the chaos and carnage of the front line. >> and that day it was just hours of hand-to-hand combat, hours of dealing with things that were way beyond what law enforcement officer has ever trade for, and i just remember that moment of stepping behind the line and just seeing the absolute war zone that the west lawn had become. >> joining me now is peter aguilar of california, a member of the select committee to

investigate january 6th. thanks so much for being here. i thought last night's preparation was compelling. i thought it was very thorough and i thought caroline edwards, police officer carol i'd edwards i think made the key point is that this was not a riot. it was war being made on the united states. do you agree with that characterization? >> yeah, i think that's right, and i think that where we started yesterday's hearing, thank you for having me, joy, was a continuation of the police officers, the d.c. metro police officers and capitol police officers that we heard from last year, a continuation of that. just so people understand the gravity of the violence that happened that day, and i thought she did an amazing job and was such a powerful presenter, but i think that she accurately conveyed that this was very difficult for all of them, and this felt like war, and the image of her, you know, getting back up and then slipping on blood, i mean, those are just images that stick with you. >> and, you know, police

officers who have been through this, they will tell you that same thing, know. there's the gaslighting of saying that it didn't happen at all but also characterizing it as a tourist visit and that kind of thing. the other piece here is that the violence that we saw that day was not responsible tanouts. i think that's very clear. maybe the people who got caught up in it and thought trump sent them there and they are getting prosecuted for it felt in their minds we're doing at the last moment but there were people who were planning to have what they clearly must have known could become a violent confrontation. let's just go back. let's go back. liz cheney, she talks about the fact that members of donald trump's -- people who care about trump, people friends with donald trump, people like sean hannity, was saying that this is the new thing. got to have no more crazy poem no, more stolen election talk. kailey mcenany, love it, that's the playbook. this is the most important part. they knew that president donald trump was too dangerous to be left alone, at least until he left on january 20th and this brings me to what i still think

is the most important piece of evidence against donald trump as the perpetrator here of the war. donald trump tweeted on january -- that january 6th would be wild. that was one of the treats that i think was him doing a rare tell what i'm going to do, write it down, come to january 6th. it will be wild, but before that, he had met with a group inside of the white house including sidney powell, michael flynn and rudy giuliani. they met alone. they discussed, quote, a number of dramatic steps during this december 18 pleading, including having the military seize voting machines, potentially re-run elections, et cetera. do you suspect that that meeting in the white house included a plan that included having the proud boys and the oath keepers, is that what this committee is developing, that they made a plan to send those paramilitary groups to the capitol? >> well, i'm not going to get ahead and preview the evidence until some of those hearings, but what i can tell you is that

it's been very clear that within the trump presidency and those four dark years there was a lot of connection between him and the oath keepers and proud boys from his stand back and stand by. we know that that became a calling card for them. we know that they use that as a recruiting tool as well, but we also know as you highlighted that the president would get spun up at some event. december 18th he gets spun up by his attorneys and then he goes out and tweets at 1:00 a.m. it wane the only 1:00 a.m. tweet that he had over that -- over that time period. so people would get in his ear, and they would give him these conspiracy theories, and they works you know, tell him that everybody is behind him and then he would go out and use social media and his platform to get out and to get his message, and in this case summon a mob to washington, d.c. before directing them to the capitol. >> we know donald trump during a debate that chris wallace mod

rated, when he wouldn't condemn the proud boys, he said stand back and stand by and that the response from the proud boys on gab or whatever social media they were using then because they were kicked off was standing by, sir. i'll get that the another way. will we see connections directly between donald trump op or some of his aides, like roger stone, using some of these groups for security, et cetera, are we going to see a direct connection in these hearings between donald trump, the proud boys and the oath keepers? >> i think it's clear. i don't want to get ahead of the evidence. i think it's clear the connection to people around the former president to groups like this, just like you said. the proud boys and using recruiting tools like stand back and stand by. it's code names and to help boost membership. it's pretty clear that the

president liked a lot of comments, liked a lot of the things that those individuals and those groups stood for and he was all too willing to use them to his advantage, to convey his message and to deliver a threat which is exactly what he did on january 6th and leading up to january 6th, threatening individuals and ensuring that everybody knew exactly where he stood. >> january 6th committee member congressman pete aguilar, thank you very much. thank you very much for being here on a friday, thank you. with me is glen kirscher in, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. i want to go in the same direction with you, my friend. here's the thing. nothing that day can be characterized as spontaneous. donald trump was not fooled into thinking he won the election. we now know for sure he had been told many times, including by his sycophant attorney general that he lost so we know that. we know that he said after meeting with people like michael flynn who was saying seize the voting machines. he met with people like roger stop. he's meeting with the sidney

powells of the world, he met with sean hannity saying don't let him be alone and within hours tweet come to the capitol, it's going to be wild and then he tweets that over and over and over again. january 6th was not at thing most people know b.most americans don't know all the civics that january 6th is significant. he made it significant. draws the crowd there and then you see down the street, those poem are taking your right. let's march over there. i'll walk with you and the proud boys and oath keepers were already there. does that not suggest to you that donald trump must have known that the proud boys and oath keepers would be his enforcers in staying in power. >> joy, this was a plot. this was a plan, a scheme. this was not a riot or a crowd that got overenthusiastic and sort of spun out of control, and i can't wait to see more information in the coming public hearings about the meeting in the oval office between trump, flynn, giuliani and powell.

i'm quite sure the j6 committee has some information about that. they are going to present. last night we sort of got the impression that there were no adults in the room at the time, no lovers of democracy in there to try to keep that -- that conspiracy, you know, contained, and we heard, that you know, some people did rush in and when we heard these folks were meeting in the oval of course, but about an hour after that meeting we got the tweet. the plan had been hatched, and donald trump was implementing it. come to d.c. on january 6th. it will be wild and the other word that you've already picked up on, that others have picked up on that you heard yesterday was war. why does that become important? well, where is that word prominently featured in the big ugly blue book of federal laws, the united states code, the crime of treason, and every time i heard war, my mind went back to treason which is a very short and simple statute. whoever owing allegiance to the

united states, like the president, levies war against the united states is guilty of treason. what we now know is donald trump not only set the date for the capitol attack as we've just discussed but he also refused to call off his angry mob once he deployed them for more than three hours. >> mm-hmm. >> but i think what we learned a little bit more about last night was not only did he refuse to call off the attack. he refused to authorize the deployment of any forces to go to the capitol to fend off the attack, to protect the people in the u.s. capitol that he set his angry mob on, and it took an order from mike pence who frankly probably didn't have the authority at that moment, but general milley said he was insistent. we have to get forces to the capitol. mike pence is no hero. he was protecting his own skin because he was in the capitol. >> yeah. >> but you know what, this begins to feel not -- not just

like treason but like treason squared. >>ia. it's overthrowing -- it's attempting to overthrow the election. other lovers of democracy, i disagree with these people vehemently. but you'll have more people who stood up to donald trump testify. this is what's coming up. former fox contributor chris stirewalt will testify on monday. he knew he lost the election and you'll have jeffrey rosen in the doj refusing to be replace bid a sycophant who would do what they wanted ukraine to do, announce a fake investigation so that it would make it look three there was some sort of fraud in the election. pence adviser greg jacob who to your point pence was targeted by donald trump. saying maybe he should be hanged and brad raffensperger and gabriel sterling who trump tried to pressure to flip the georgia election. what might we get out of that testimony? >> you know, i think we're going to get more voices bringing to

light donald trump's crime and evidence that bears on donald trump's intent and importantly i think a lot of them are going to be republican voiceds. i was surprised that the first witness we saw last night via a video clip of his testimony was bill barr. i would not have bet a buck he would be the first witness we would have heard from during, you know, the first public hearings from the j6 committee, and it was a smart tactical move y.? because, one, it's a republican condemning a republican former president, and, two, to the extent anybody still entertains the notion that it might be a challenge to prove donald trump's corrupt intent, which is t won't be, bill barr laid that to rest from jump. >> yeah. >> saying i told the president his claim of election fraud was bullis -- period. the corrupt intent question was answered at the very beginning of the hearings, and then we heard more republican voices

like mark short and jason miller and we heard ivanka say i -- essentially i credit bill barr's take on there being no election, fraud, not my father eemps mott the more republican voices we hear from the more it will blunt the criticism that this is just a partisan witch hunt. >> to say nothing of the fact that the leader of the prosecution is liz chain, like dick cheney's daughter, liz cheney. >> thank you very much, always a pleasure. coming up next on "the reidout," profiles in cowardice, kevin mccarthy begged trump to put a stop to the violence, but he now has a much different take on january 6th and perhaps the bombshell of last night's hearing that liz cheney's revelation that scott perry and other republicans south pardons from their roles in the plot to overturn the election. more on that when "the reidout" continues. election. mo oren that when "the reidout" continues. finding the perfect developer isn't easy. but, at upwork, we found her. she's in prague between the ideal cup of coffee

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y. we need an area for the house members. you're all walking over now through the tunnel. >> that was newly released video of dozens of republican leader kevin mccarthy's staff members fleeing their office as the trump mob laid siege to the capitol. those frantic staffers are now forced to relive that experience in light of mccarthy's newly exposed comments just days after the attack versus his preview of the explosive initial hearing.

>> we cannot just sweep this under the rug. we need to know why it happened, who did it and people need a to be held accountable for it, and i'm committed to making sure that happens. >> speaker pelosi's select committee on january 6th sun like any other committee in american history. in fact, it is the most political and least legitimate committee in american history. >> so which is then, kevin? of course, mccarthy's revisionist history is even more glaring. now, given the damning new information about the involvement of members of mccarthy's own republican conference including republican scott perry under scrutiny for working to replace the acting attorney general with trump loyalist jeffrey clark and willing to do the president's bidding to try to overturn the election. >> as you will see, representative perry contacted the white house in the weeks after january 6th to seek a presidential pardon. multiple other republican

congressmen also sought presidential pardons for their roles in attempting to overturn the 2020 election. >> but in addition to the allegations against sitting republican members of congress, vice chair liz cheney waste nod time calling out the republican leader and offered a stark warning to others who continue to support the former president. >> we'll hear that leaders on capitol hill begged the president for help, including republican leader mccarthy, who was, quote, scared and called multiple members of president trump's family after he could not persuade the president himself. tonight, i say this to my republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible. there will come a day when donald trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain. >> joining me now the justice correspondent for "the nation" and political analyst and host of screen share on peacock. thank you both for being here. elie, we know at least

reportedly at two members of congress, republican members, who sought presidential pardons per the committee. this is representative scott per and representative andy biggs. those are the two from the the committee that sought pardons but the committee sought five pardons all together, kevin mccarthy himself, andy biggs, scott perry, jim jordan who mccarthy wanted on the committee in the first place and mo brooks who showed up in a bulletproof vest. seeking pardons, does it mean that you committed a crime does it mean that you think you did? >> it means you looked at your own actions and you saw what happened saying somebody might have a problem with what i just tried to do because what i just tried to do was overthrow the united states government and i almost got people killed so maybe i need some legal protection now. look, one of the things we saw last night, joy, is that liz cheney is going to dog walk for

kevin mccarthy. it's going to be a bad five days for kevin mccarthy was scared and we know he was. a bunch of them were. they were frantically calling and trying to get the very one person that they all knew could stop it. lindsey graham called the vapors he was so scared, but now that the immediate physical dangers to their persons have passed, now they have this now -- now they are back tock more scared for their jobs than they are for their people and one of the things we'll see with the pardons is in the interregnum between the physical fear, before the fear for their job, they were feared legally and they understood that there would be legal consequences for their actions, and they haven't happened yet, but they also didn't get the pardons so they could still happen in the future. >> they sure didn't. you know, you've been a staffer. you've worked on capitol hill and you understand how much work it is, and how everybody is, you're so young, how young everyone is there who is there.

can we just put that video back up of kevin mccarthy's staff. these people were tear five-day. kevin mccarthy was terrified to elie's point. they were all terrified. i'm quite sure even mitch mcconnell was tear firksd you know, to the extent that they have feelings. how can this staff go to work every day for a man who says the investigation into what terrified them and the threat to their very lives because there was -- somebody would have been killed had those insurrectionists caught a staffer or a member. let's just be clear. even if it was a republican. if it had been mike pence, definitely. how can they go back and say that this was just nothing, who dismesses it? >> not only could someone be killed but we know there were also explosives found. >> yes. >> thankfully, those individuals weren't able to set off. it could have killed hundreds of people. >> yeah. >> that's an interesting question. i think about the idea of proximity to power, and it sounds like such a cliche to say

this. am i'm sure some of the viewers are thinking that, but that shouldn't be enough. people should say i don't want to work for such an individual. it's a real thing. i've worked in politics a long time, and when you're in that bubble and when you have people calling you and when you can call the shots, wanting to remove yourself from that, even when your conscious or perhaps subconscious is telling you morally should can be a very difficult thing particularly when there's people around you encouraging to you change positions, perhaps to reassess your situation and say, you know what, this is not the type of individual that i want to work for, so i don't have the expectation that some individuals will leave, and that's not to stay that they vice president considered it. that's not to say they haven't thought about it, but it is to stay that this real thing of when you're working for someone who is as powerful as a minority leader who may indeed become the speaker of the house in the next couple of months, giving that up is a very difficult thing for people in politics. >> that's a sad state of affairs. we're going to hear, elie from,

you know, the justice department, people who were in the justice department, jeffrey rosen was prepared to write a letter and resign en masse if donald trump attempted to replace jeff rosen and replace him with a stoofnlt how about people go to work with barry lowdermilk is accused of giving tours who people who ended up smashing into or debby lesko of arizona. let's play debby lesko real quick. >> i'm actually very concerned about this because we have who knows how many hundreds of thousand of people coming here. we have antifa. we also have quite honestly trump supporters who actually believe that we are going to overturn the election, and when that doesn't happen most likely, will not happen, they are going to go nuts.

>> i wonder how members go to work with other members who knew what could happen or did nothing and who people through the capitol who might have come back to hurt them. >> i want to get through three things really quickly, right. one to your first point that you also asked sir michael. i think it's the henchman situation. why does odd job never say no. the henchmen have a thing where they want to be near the sun, near the power, and they are willing to -- to eat, to do many things to stay there, so i think that that's number bump number two, when you talk about like what people like lesko were about, people need to remember and this i think will be surprising to a lot of people watching. you've got to remember that republicans want this to succeed. they want to us hold these people accountable. mitch mcconnell said while they were trying to beat trump, hopefully the democrats will get it done. mr. mcconnell wanted donald

trump impeached and they want trump gone but don't want to lose their jobs. again, back to the henchmen syndrome. i don't care about these people. these people are weak and are cowards and i'm not going to waste my precious mental energy wore beg them but the things i do worry about are the congressmen who work with them. i had an interview with cori bush, do you feel safe and before i could get sentence out of my mouth she said nah. aoc doesn't feel safe in that building, alanna pressley doesn't feel safe. i always come back to the need for criminal prosecutions for wrongdoing to make our government safe. >> chairman bennie thompson made the point yesterday that in 1862 the congress added that you take an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic because of the civil war. you shouldn't have to work with

people who you fear might be down with the enemies domestic. you shouldn't have to go to work with them every day, a nice little principle that we have in american government. thank you both very much. still ahead, why did police in ifld, text yeah, wait more than an hour to confront the school gunman even though they knew there were people inside who desperately needed medical treatment? new report when we come back. ml treatment? new report when we come back - [female narrator] they line up by the thousands. each one with a story that breaks your heart. like ravette... every step, brought her pain. their only hope: mercy ships. the largest floating civilian hospital in the world. bringing free surgeries to people who have no other hope. $19 a month will help provide urgently needed surgery for so many still suffering.

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today in uvalde, text yagsias, family and friends said good-bye to eva mireles, one of the courageous teachers trying to protect her students at robb elementally school. show was still alive after police engaged and shot the shooter. she died on the way to the hospital three other students found in the classroom ultimately died in the classroom. a report in the "new york times" said officer waited in the hallway for longer than an hour for equipment to protect themselves in those critical moment. they knew that there were still people alive inside that classroom. every minute mattered. "the times" reporting is based on an analysis of law enforcement documents and video, including transcripts of body camera footage. nbc news has not seen or verified that video. according to one of the transcripts of an officer's body camera footage who investigators believe to be a school district police chief, chief pete arredondo, he was heard saying

people are going to ask we're taking so long. we're trying to preserve the rest of the life. texas safety officials have claimed arredondo as incident commander on the scene was the one who made the call to stand down causing officers to move from an active shooter protocol to a barricaded gunman protocol is a the shooter continued to fire. speaking to the texas tribune in his first interview since the deadly shooting, arredondo denied ever making that call and indicated he did not consider himself to be it the incident commander even though he was the first overs on the scene which, according to his training would put him in that role. he did defend his delayed response in confronting the shooter by saying that with no way to get through that locked classroom door his strategy was to save as many children as possible by evacuating students from the other classrooms first. joining me now is donnell harvin, senior policy research for the rand corporation and first responder to the sandy hook shooting and the 9/11 a, at all. it's always good to see you, donnell. let's go through this.

the "new york times" story was harrowing. the interview was interesting. one. pieces that came out in the interview, both of those two pieces, is that ashdio gets there first, and he leaves his radio behind because he says it was too clunk toe carry it into the school, and, therefore, he didn't have access to what was being said on 9/11. he also didn't have a master key on the school and would you think that since the only jurisdiction is the school district is they would have keys to all the schools in the district but he says he didn't have one. what did you make of that, of all of a that? >> you know. like i said last week, this is a buffet, hot buffet of missed opportunities and mistakes. the first thing is that you are no use to anybody in a command and control situation if you don't have a radio. that's rule number one. the second thing is you mentioned earlier in your lead-in that the incident command structure is something

that we have that all first responders abide by called ice system or nims, national incident management system and that dictates the first arriving responder is the person in charge, and as more senior people arrive, those individuals become -- assume the charge. he's the chief and if you don't have a radio and you're not in control then who is? >> can you -- can you understand in any way what he says a lot in these interviews is he was trying to save as many lives as possible, that was his priority, and evacuating those kids from other rooms was important, getting those kids out. we even learned the cousin of the shooter was in another hall ain another classroom. he was trying to evacuate other people. he seemed very clear he didn't want to put other officer lives at risk by going through that door even if they had been able to open that door. is that the way it's supposed to work? >> not only is that a breach of protocol but it's also a breach

of training, and i've reached out to a lot of active shooter trainings over the last couple of weeks that i know and look back at the training that i got. the training is very, very clear. it's an active shooter. doesn't transition to a barricade. they are trying to make it sound like this is a unique situation. once people are fired and shots are down you continuously go and try to breach into that room and take down that armed assailant and so the fact of the matter, is and even in texas training, we looked this up, the texas training specifically said if you fear for your own life and you're worried about getting shot, then you need another job, and quite frankly it's acknowledged that when you put that badge and you put that uniform on and you respond to an active shooter, you may give up your life so that someone else may be saved so that decision i think is going to be well, well analyzed for many years, but it's certainly i don't think in my opinion was the right decision. >> we know that in sandy hook there was also a lot of death, a

lot of children died and we note shooter actually killed themselves, but the response times seemed very different. it seemed that people -- the police did get there quicker to sandy hook and, again, also, obviously the shooter killed himself. is there -- what are the differences in your view between the way that those two incidents played how the? >> well, most active shooter incidents play out over less than two to three minutes, and so by the time law enforcement gets there, the shooting is over. either they give up or they take their own life. this was different because this armed assailant was active for over an hour. we don't know if he's reloading or his gun is jammed. so long as he's an active assailant you don't negotiate with someone like that. you try to take him down so there's two different scenarios. >> yeah. >> most active shooter scenarios unfold over a very short period of time. this one unfolded way, way too long. >> it obviously and clearly

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where pat cipollone threatened to resign? >> i kind of -- like i said, my interest at that time was on trying to get as many pardons done, and i know that, you know, he was always -- him and the team were always saying we're going to resign and we're not going to be here if this happens or that happens so i kind of took it up to just be whining to be honest with you. >> that was jarred kushner's wasly testimony to the january 6th committee. kushner tends to look the other way as long as he gets what he wants in the other end. he is four years of genuflecting to the saudi prince when the crown prince salman decided to drop $2 billion on jared's private new equity firm. that trend in the wake of the journalist jamal khashoggi. they are hoping to rebuild many things in hopes to reap tate

their reputation. they used the saudi funds into a golf league to rival the pga tour. liv golf debuted on thursday. former golf champion greg norman is the ceo and commissioner, and they have tossed bucket loads of cash at some major names to poach them away from the pga tour. dustin johnson who has won two majors was reportedly offered a $125 million contract to play on the liv tour and phil mickelson who has won 45 events on the pga tour, including six majors, is reportedly getting a whopping $200 million. the eight events scheduled for this year with l award an enormous $255 million in prize money, total and the pga tour, well, they ain't happy about. it all the players who deflected to the renegade series now face banishment from future pga tour events. additionally report verse taken the athletes to task for their moral maleabilitiy when it comes to saudi human rights abuses. >> take the khashoggi situation.

we all agree that that was reprehensible. nobody is going to argue that fact but we're golfers, you know. >> is there any way you wouldn't play on a moral basis, if the money was right is there any way you wouldn't play? >> i don't want to answer that question. >> would you play in an apt height south africa? >> you're asking us to answer a hypothetical question. i'm certainly aware what have has happened with jam a.g. khashoggi and i think it's terrible. i've also seen the good that the game of golf has done throughout history, and i believe that liv golf is going to do a lot of good for the game. >> okay. well, i should also note that phil mickelson who you also saw in that clip is a self-admitted reckless gambler who according to an unauthorized biography accrued gambling debts of up to $14 million between 2010 and

2014 so i guess he needs the money. two term dark limed events are set to take place at trump-owned your thoughts? >> there are a couple of levels of this. when is the level of professionalism on the pga tour, legitimately feel sick twice too much control. nfts have become a battleground for these guys. the tour will not allow them the rights of their own images. this is the kind of thing that would understandably make somebody upset. does it make you decide to go to business with the saudis? that's a different question. what greg norman said when he was asked about the human rights things with saudi arabia and everything was, who is basically like, every country has their. that's not an exact quote. but it's basically what he said. that's kind of like saying, well, there is no ethical capitalism, really. the people that got the checks, we are doing this, they are supplying the money and people

like phil mickelson want despite the tour so badly they are willing to go ahead and do it. meanwhile, the pga tour is ultimately fighting for survival on this just because of the constancy of money. some guys have decided, was it worth for? they are going to stay with the tour. but i don't pretend i don't understand that why someone would take $200 million to play golf. >> i remember, i ain't gonna play sun city. a lot of musical artist gave up a lot of money where they could make money during. touring is where a lot of musical artists make a lot of money during. they gave up the chance to play sun city, south africa, because of the ethics. in this case, jamal khashoggi was killed. the cia says the saudi crown prince did it. jared kushner is willing to take his money. obviously, donald trump -- he has no ethics. he is going to take his money. but is near no line where players say, no, that's too much? >> i think there are lines for some people. like, yeah, a whole lot of people said they weren't going to play sun city.

others were saying, there might be some gates open that sun city. and -- patrice lumumba is killed in the congo, where hey, we are not going to do any business with the belgians. folks are admittedly selective about when it is they choose to draw the lines on these things. the thing is, especially for people in this country, saudi arabia just jumps off the page so strongly in the khashoggi situation, it's so present in our minds. >> yeah. >> there are people all the time ignoring represents ability in the name of making money. what is interesting to me about this is, phil mickelson is the only person so far to explicitly say, yeah, they do lots of terrible things over there. but i want to stick it to the pga. everybody else has gotten off on this because they are just not talking about it. it reminds me of the national anthem situation in the nfl, where colin kaepernick clearly articulated why he wasn't standing for the national anthem. lots of other guys didn't stand and then never said anything for it. and they get commercials, right? >> right, right. >> it just the one person domino to say the quiet part

out loud. >> speaking of the nfl, let's talk about jack del rio. jack del rio, defensive coordinator for the commanders, the washington commanders, he is getting fined 100 grand now because he calls the insurrection against our capitol a dustup. harry dunn, last night, we had him on msnbc as part of our coverage of the january 6th hearings. he went at him. what do you make of the fact that he is getting fined? is that enough? >> i am reluctant to say that he should have been fired for that. because i feel like i am saying, you should fire him because i didn't like what he said. that makes me uncomfortable. -- would i think is interesting about this, though, is i don't think del rio realizes where the loser of a position this is, especially in d.c.. >> in d.c.! >> you talk about it in lots of other places, and it's a hypothetical thing. but when you talk about it in a city where people know people that were there that day -- >> that's right -- >> they don't really have a sense of humor about what it is that he is talking about. >> that's right. >> that's where i think he

ultimately got it wrong -- i think a lot of the people who believe in the idea that the election was stolen, you have to look around and realize that people who are looking for election on that platform, they are not winning. this is not -- you might have an army big enough to storm the capital but you don't have an army big enough to protect you on this one. overall, some of the most inflammatory people that we know of, when this happened in january of 2021, they stood down! they were like, hey, hey, hey, this is too far for me to go. jack del rio was the last person to get the memo. >> absolutely. people that defended the capitol are saying, you are in the wrong end of that argument. is bomani going to stick with us though. we would have been play hough. we would have been pla it's 5:00 a.m., and i feel like i can do anything. we've been coming here, since 1868.

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jones. i see an emmy behind you. maybe when the week. but give us someone besides yourself. who won the week? >> let's look at jeff molina, ufc fighter, who -- he where the pride shorts. the ufc's pride shorts by the way, they are in on pride month. he got up and had a lot to say about what fans were saying to him in response to this. and it really just kind of floored and respect -- the reason why i say he won the week is, these messages land completely differently when it is someone that can be you up. i know some people are probably thinking, he's just a fly away, but that's like saying a gun is just a 22. but you hear somebody say something like that, it's one thing that you can try to push them off and just be in, like, over woke or anything else. it's another thing when it is a real, live tough guy. it may not convert that many grown-ups. but it might give some kids something to think about. and those are the people you've got the best chance of winning in an actual fight. >> i love, that i love. that my who won the week this week's, the police officers. the capitol police officers and metro police officers who testified, told the truth, told

her stories, and stood up for us on january 6th. and are continuing to stand up for the truth of our democracy, officer harry dunn, officer daniel hodges, former officer michael fanone, sergeant african nino gonell, officer caroline edwards, who really, really moved us all last night. these guys are heroes. in an era where we are seeing police really not always stand up and do the right thing, especially in places like eovaldi, they did the right thing. thank you, bomani. that is tonight the reidout, all in with chris hayes starts right now. t,>> tonight on all in. >> aware of the rioters chants to hang mike pence, the president responded with this sentiment. quote, maybe our supporters have the right idea. mike pence, quote, deserves it. >> the january six committee tells the world, donald trump led the attempted coup. >> i told him that it was crazy stuff and they