or the framing of stories, you know, i know the facts of the stories, i'm like, how could you frame it that way? so, you can see how people can be led astray by the framing and also the content of what's happening on that channel. and they are sure that their viewers are not watching other news programs. >> charles blow, always a pleasure to talk to you. thank you for making time for us tonight. appreciate it. that is all in on this friday night. msnbc's starts right now with ari melber. who is just sitting right here. good evening, ari. >> yeah, great to see, you chris. and thanks to everyone at home for joining us. the investigation into january 6th is yielding information most people did not know about january 6th. like, how long before this capital capitol was attacked and before president trump even spoke that day, which was how some viewed how that day was going to be about in time for speech, and a protest. before all of that, these proud boys, the white nationalist paramilitary group that trump

shouted out to join the debate. they were already in those early hours, doing more than preparing for a speech that day. they had a specific operational plan that morning. and a filmmaker embedded with them saw that and recorded it. as we begin this hour of msnbc tonight, and we dig into what's important on what transpired the week and during all the buildup to the january 6th hearings reaching this investigative findings stage, it's important to listen to what that star witness then embedded filmmaker told us. because that's why he was one of the star witnesses. that's why 20 million people were subjected to hearing exactly what he said last night. >> we met up with the proud boys somewhere around -- and they are starting to walk down the mile easterly in a

direction towards the capitol. there was a large contingent, more than i expected. and i was confused, to a certain extent, why we were walking away from the presidents speech. because that's what i felt we were there to cover. >> that's what he was there to cover. that's what many people would have thought. that there was a different plan. committee chair bennie thompson drawn the testimony and other evidence to present some key findings here. >> they weren't there for president trump's speech. we know this because they left that area to march toward the capital capitol before the speech began. they walked around the capitol that morning, unconcerned this allowed them to see what defenses were in place and where weaknesses might be. the proud boys time to their attack to the moments before the start of the joint session in the capitol, which is also

where president trump directed the angry mob, quote, we fight like hell, and quote. he told them, before sending them down pennsylvania avenue right to where the proud boys gathered and where [inaudible] . essential question is, whether the attack on the capitol was coordinated and planned. what you witnessed is when they coordinated and planned efforts would look like. when it coordinated and planned effort would look like. and the committee has receipts. the newly-released video, which shows some of what happened that morning, the furtive meetings, the morning march to the capitol and around the. and the reconnaissance too -- find the weak points. there were less protected, it may not have been the more iconic parts of the capital capitol were people who were more less organized might have

naturally gathered and where there were more capitol police. there was the piece circle, entrance, though, where barriers were overrun. and the first of the crowd arrived, getting there. while trump was wrapping up the speech. these hearings, which have now begun we're not a replay of the horrific day we lived through. they were the product of investigative findings based on 1000 plus interviews and a ton of evidence that actually expand the understanding of what happened that day. not a rerun but a deepening, so that people really get why that happened in the first place. because remember, a lot of people watching live thought, aren't these protected areas? wouldn't it be hard to do this? there was even talk at first on line of whether somehow the police were letting them in. because it was so unthinkable in so many ways that, well, even very excited speech attendees or rally attendees would just be able to do this. and that's why this work of

this committee actually does answer some of those questions. the findings suggest it was not a rally out of control. there were some emotional riot. the findings of video evidence and testimony shows this planned premeditated attack on the capitol to overthrow the transfer of power, led by paramilitary groups, instigated by trump, they did the heavy lifting. but also backed by, yes, the violent mob, willing to join in with the stacks and organized attacks and specific operational goals -- find the ballots, storm certain offices. and as you heard the chant, openly target the assassination of certain officials. >> you will also hear about plots to's commits seditious conspiracy on january 6th. a crime to find in our laws as conspiring to overthrow, put down or destroy by force the government of the united states. or to oppose by force the authority thereof. multiple members of two groups,

the oath keepers and the proud boys, have been charged with this crime for their involvement in the events leading up to and on january 6th. some have pled guilty. the attack on our capitol was not a spontaneous riot. on the morning of january 6th, president donald trump's intention was to remain president of the united states, despite the lawful outcome of the 2020 election. and in violation of his constitutional obligation to relinquish power. over multiple months, donald trump oversaw and coordinated a sophisticated seven-part plan to overturn the presidential election and prevent the transfer of presidential power. >> trump's intent was to remain in office. not another trumpian publicity stunt, not more cloud chasing on the internet. but a real, actual who.

who. and the committee evidence suggests he intended to stay in office literally, and the day was the culmination of the plan to try to make that happen. the fact that they might have still been bad at it or there were other defenses or it was a sloppy coup -- none of that is a defense. that's just a statement about criminal competence, if you buy the committee's findings. investigators also present the case that trump knew that everything he was saying about election fraud was bs, as bill barr put it. he knew he lost the election, according to the evidence. >> i had three discussions with the president that i can recall. one was on november 23rd, one was on december 1st. and one was on december 14th. and i've been through the given take of those discussions. and in that context i made it clear i did not agree the idea of saying the election was stolen, and putting out the stuff, which i told the

president was bs. >> and that affected your perspective [inaudible] when attorney general bill barr made that statement? >> it affected my perspective. i respect attorney general bill barr. so, i accepted what he was saying. >> i was in the oval office. and at some point in the conversation, matt moscow ski, the league data person was brought on and i remember he delivered to the president pretty blunt terms that he was going to lose. >> and that was based on, mr. miller, matt and the data teams assessment of the county by county, state by state results as reported? >> that's correct. >> i remember the call with mr. meadows where mr. meadows was asking me when i was finding, if i was finding anything.

i remember sharing with him that we weren't finding anything that would be sufficient to change the results in any of the key states. >> and what was mr. meadows reaction to that information? >> i believe the words he used were, so there's no there there. >> president trump ignored the rulings of our nation's courts. he ignored his own campaign leadership his, white house staff, many republican state officials. ignore the department of justice and the department of homeland security. president trump invested millions of dollars of campaign funds, purposely spreading false information, running ads he knew were false. and convincing millions of americans that the election was corrupt. and that he was the true president. as you will see, this misinformation campaign provoked the violence on january 6th. >> there you have it.

those are mostly republicans there, as witnesses in the case of liz cheney -- as a member of the committee. today, trump stands accused of leading a coup attempt, failing to issue any orders to protect the capitol under and violence -- using about -- that's a lot, even for whatever, even for fill in the blank. so how is he responding? well, trump zeroed in today on his daughter accepting bill barr's view the trump had lost the election, claiming she was basically checked out, and i think at the end, if you read at the very bottom there, that bill barr, quote, sucked. now, even briefly, just saying that response, reinforces, we all remember what donald trump was like. and this self obsessed man, able to almost always missed

the mark. there are legal implications here, broader, while he focuses on family drama. just think about what he's accused of. and think about the committee bringing together testimony from these people around him. i emphasize this, because it's not automatic. but it is damning, this is about facts and findings, and they are drawn, largely, not exclusively, but largely from his own aides, his own family, as you saw there. people that he hired, who shared at least a large part of his ideological or political project, or whatever you want to call it, people who agreed with what trump wanted to do, when he was lawfully elected the first time. in other words, their fellow travelers of just about everything. but they are under oath, recounting what he said and did, leading into this. and that damning account is that he knew he lost, and he was plotting to stay in power, despite that, and he was welcoming violence along the

way, and throughout and after it actually happened and transpired, he continue to welcome that. investigators reach a live audience in about 20 million people last night. if you watched some of it, you are not alone, and you are not just accompanied by the traditional news going part of our populists. many millions more saw this live. and then, once something like that happens, more people are able to discuss. it's something we know about information and social change, a lot more people discussing it today than they otherwise would have. 20 million people have seen the facts. and this committees foundation, for making a wider case, and upcoming hearings, that trump was a leader of a plot to steal the election, to try to end democracy. and if the committee can prove that, or come close and prove it in front of the audience of millions, or anybody who's willing to reckon with the actual facts. and if the committee can do that in public, with the public evidence to say nothing of any

other secret evidence that is still before that parallel justice department grand jury, assembled in washington, we'll, then, ultimately this would be about more than establishing facts, which itself is part of the purpose of these types of probes. it will also raise the question of the justice department have an obligation to act. it has been a long week. busy for many people, including our next guest. virginia congresswoman elaine luria as a member of the january 6th committee. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> because this was dealing with findings and evidence, what, if anything, do you believe the first hearing last night proved? >> i think that they stood out a lot, with the very first video that we showed from the former attorney general barr. and it establish something very clearly and very early on. the former president knew that he lost. and he was going on assumptions

for all have his further actions, and i think that that is an under layman for the fact that, you know, all of these things that he carried out, in order to try and stay in office, work done by the intentions, and maga lists from the beginning, to undermine the results of the election. >> the vice chair of your committee, cheney, talked about the sort of seven-part, seven plane plan, the committees have also shown things that led to the sixth, but we're not as and why public view. is there any way for you to share, estimate, how many parts of government did donald trump attempt to enlist in what was called last night, a premeditated attempted coup? >> i think we're all familiar with his quote about, you know, just leave it to the republican congressman. we know that he attempted to, or perhaps did it by extreme amount of pressure on the former vice president, and

attempting to change the outcome of the results, as liz cheney mentioned, in one of our hearings. we talk about the department of justice, and how there was a potential move underfoot, to replace people and acting attorney general. and you know, the hearings will lay out a lot of information. i look at it as though we try to pull every lever of government that he could, that he possibly had an ability to influence, in order to change the outcome of the election and stay in office. >> you mentioned, as well, the doj, former acting attorney general, who was in for barr's, going to face this committee, which will that do next week? >> i think that discussion about the department of justice will lay out, essentially, you know, how dangerous this was, and you know, one thing i keep reflecting back on is that, if it weren't for the right people in the right places at particular points in time, people at the department of justice, the former vice president, who actually did the right thing, then the outcome

of all of this could've been very different. so, i think -- >> what could that have been? >> what if he had been successful at this coup? what if he had actually been successful at pulling the right lever in order to get their result that he wanted and he sought for this coordinated plan, and essentially, attack that culminated with the right on january 6th? >> the committee also surfaced this new testimony about vice president pence being clear, and discussing the use of the national guard, and the protection of the capitol. did he have that authority at that time? or was the president still acting as a lawful president the united states, until the 20th? >> there was no action that came out at the white house. and i think that will be clear through the hearings that we have later on. it was 187 minutes that the president essentially sat in

the dining room off of the oval office, and one thing that struck the president, is the commander of chief to make those calls, to make sure that the action was being taken to deal with government agencies, to call the department of defense, to get the national guard, to coordinate with the mayor of washington, d.c.. all of those things, and one was clearly expect from someone in that role. and i think in a vacuum, the vice president, not hearing or knowing otherwise, not even hearing from the president during that time, you know, he got on the phone, and it what leaders do, and reached out to all of these people to make sure that the action was being taken. >> very interesting all around. and we know we'll be hearing from you on the other committee members, and this has been parceled out. so we look forward for that. congresswoman and january six committee member elaine luria, thank you for making time tonight. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. we have a lot to get to on a busy friday night, including looking at the actual documented racist origins of one of the groups that january

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mobilized and led members of the crowd onto the capitol ground and into the capital. >> last night, the general six committee explained the more than 19 million viewers what happened, according to the evidence, on january 6th. the committee put trump at the center of the spot. they also pointed, specifically, to these two white supremacists groups, who enabled the attack, the proud boys and oath keepers. they were the people on the front lines of videos like this, leading the charge, showing what they believed was possible in all criminally trans passing it. everyone on your screen just caught on tape right-handed breaking the law. committee showing how those groups landed and coordinated the attack. one using a military style stack formation that helped breach one of the entry through the capitol. for that reason, several members of the proud boys including its current leader, have been charged with seditious conspiracy, including new charges this past week. this came five months after the members of the oath keepers were charged with seditious conspiracy along the same lines. the committee, arguing the

trump cult to extremist groups of the capitol, that he summoned them the mob, and he assembled them up, and quote, let the flame of this attack. based for these groups, and their years of menacing, including working with trump's inner circle figures like roger stone, you can actually see the black proud boys and oath keepers had been circling around this link of right-wing, so-called vigilante justice, and more direct appeals to violence, in what have been the combat government of the united states in the trump administration and all this coming together. white supremacy is militia groups in american history have not typically face sedition charges very often. this is a big deal. it is a legal rarity. and it would appear in a very directly, that trump was the catalyst, as a side note, groups like the oath keepers, claim, to try to hold the governor -- and yet, here they were aligned with the incumbent government

to overthrow the election, the very thing that and democracy does hold the government accountable. given the genuine was talking about the flame, let's look a little bit of our voice tonight. ngozi bounce on the news ear aspects, the urgent aspect we saw last night. and in today's reach helps so we got here. the proud boys they were actually just established in 2016, by gavin mcinnis, who's known for his links to vice media. in which he helped create. he described the group has western chauvinists. and was sometimes seen as a kind of performative or trolling activity until a really short order of time. and in a few years, according to something quite physical, will and menacing. there he was back in 2018, talking about membership in the group with an nbc reporter. >> we only have one criteria, and that is, you accept the west is the best. you have to be accepting that

the west is the best. >> his splits for the group, he is expected to recite upon joining, says, quote i am a western chauvinist, and i refused to apologize for creating the modern world, and quote. you can see, it's a sort of a slightly more modern trolling version of other white supremacists tropes about civilization and order, and creating something that no other people could somehow create. and in the same year, the group shared a video of roger stone, we citing that slogan, stone, though, to be as precise as possible, has publicly asserted that he is not a member of the group. >> i am roger stone. i'm a western chauvinist. i refused to apologize -- [inaudible] >> thank you, roger. the proud boys started mobilizing in support of

right-wing figures, and made more public appearances, after they were protesting and clashing during the 2017 speech, that mcinnis gave at new york university. 11 were arrested. there were fights. it was a lot of mayhem. again, it was at a time where people were trying to figure out what this was all about, and whether the so-called group was a real organization, or more of as some sort of a set of stunts. then, there were speakers with group figures like and coulter, and another member. and a security for certain speakers, and then, a member of the proud boys helped organize something quite serious, he ultimately fatal charlottesville rally to quote, unite the right. 2018, they were showing up at a nancy pelosi, when miami security had to coat her to safety, with proud boys members screaming, yelling she was a blanking communist. by 2020, they turn this into a sort of a pattern, going where

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center of this conspiracy. and ultimately, donald trump, the president of the united states, spurred a mob of domestic enemies of the constitution, to march down the capitol and subvert american

democracy. >> president trump summoned the mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack. >> first primetime general six hearing, laying the foundation for a specific case against trump. it's something you build on, the committee is trying to do that monday, with a second hearing bearing down on how exactly trump knew that he actually lost. then, there will be evidence going that the doj, about what would have been the mother of that massacre, as trump tried to oust the acting ag for existing efforts to have the doj help with the. three former officials will testify on thursday, trump's efforts to pressure pence. you all remember that. and later hearings, will feature evidence on trump's efforts to overturn the election through state level means. representative kinzinger, the other republican member beside cheney, says the evidence together at these hearings, will change history. the watergate hearings are famously about what nixon knew, and when he knew it.

these hearings are going from what trump knew, to what he tried to get government officials to do, one of the doj, to congress, to state legislatures, for what was an increasingly desperate effort to stay in office. now, most of those officials blocked or outright resisted, because crews are, among other things, a team's work. donald trump, is very good at teamwork. and that may be why, as mentioned, the committee has so many witnesses, including trump aides, and plenty of republicans, who were out here, testifying in detail under oath that his illicit goals and demands. joining us now is professor melissa murray from new york law school. coast of the strict scrutiny podcast, and is an educator, and we believe somewhat more -- thanks for joining us on this friday night. >> thanks for having me, ari.

>> we just laid out where the committee is headed, including some of the theory of the case, walk us through your thoughts on that. >> second to big thing here is they're very much trying to show that not only was donald trump at the center of all of these. this wasn't coincidental. this was something that he wanted to be in the center of, and indeed, it was something that he was orchestrating or directing other store castrate on his behalf. so, this really goes to the question of mental state, and that's critical. if there is going to be criminal liability going forward. and of course, the committee can determine whether or not there was a prosecution against donald trump, that's only for the doj to determine. but if the department of justice is going to go forward, it has to be secure in the knowledge that there is evidence to support the idea that not only did donald trump do certain things, or failed to do certain things that he was supposed to do, but that he had the mental state to orchestrate this kind of coup against a lawful government.

and so, this is all incredibly critical. and even if there is no criminal prosecution, all of this evidence regarding his mental state, and what he knew, and at what time, could be critically important, if there is going to be civil lawsuits against trump and anyone in that inner circle. the kinds of civil lawsuits that we saw successfully prosecuted in charlottesville, virginia, for example, against organizers of unite the right. >> i am also curious what you thought of the way they presented this last night, which appears to be a template. rachel and i discussed this a little bit last night. because everyone is accustomed to the traditional hearings, first of all, when they're not select committees, you have the partisan back and forth. second of all, everyone gets their time. and this format is really putting 1 to 2 members of the committee in the league, a limited number of witnesses life, and then really drawing on the evidentiary grain, if you will, if you want to be a

huge nerd with me. the cream of hundreds of depositions, and not making the public sit through that, which again, is different from traditional hearings. so, i'm curious, as someone who really is versed in the presentation of the law, what is your thought about that last night, because it's so different than most hearing? >> well, that's literally covered with books. obviously, i'm happy to learn that with you. >> and they're a lot of books behind you. >> i like big books and i cannot lie. this is obviously part of -- good shout out. this is obviously highly choreographed, and by design. this is very similar to what they did for the second impeachment, where there were a lot of multi media presentations this time to sort of link all of this together. here, though, i think it's necessary to have this kind of highly choreographed presentation, rather than the back and forth and were used to, because they need to tell a story that brings together some really desperate pieces of this puzzle, and shows how they're

all inextricably intertwined and linked together. again, the usual sort of partisan back and forth, it's not really the case here, because there are only two republicans on this committee. so, there isn't the necessary back and forth. but it goes for the kind of interrupt the flow. here, they have a moment to present their case, to present it that way that they want to present it, without any rebuttal in between. and they can actually lay the case out for the american people, show how all these people, different pieces of evidence linked together, and do so in a way that's compelling for a generation that frankly is not the kind of generation that we saw in watergate, the sort of used to sitting in front of the tv for hours, watching these sorts of things. this is a social media audience that once to see fast-paced, interesting and very dynamic clips all put together. and they're doing that. so, they've got a lot of blow back for having it be produced, but i don't really know that they had any other option. >> yeah, and i would say that that blowback is only on the

internal sort of eastern seaboard obsessive discussion range. i don't think most of the 19 million americans watching live where, like, well, i read an axios -- committee hired. they are going to say, was this a clear story or not? as we have emphasized, if it is done right, that's what people can have the facts. with a decide about that should be up to them in a democracy. and so i've got beschloss on standby. i'm going to let you go into your weekend. professor murray, good to see you as always. >> thank you. >> absolutely. when we come back, if journalism is a rough draft, then what we get out of the second draft that leads to history. as mentioned, historian michael beschloss and obama advisor chai komanduri after this. ri after this. try hypnosis... or... quit cold turkey. kidding me?! instead, start small. with nicorette. which can lead to something big. start stopping with nicorette when pain says, “it's time to go home”

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from the constitution's founding to the oath history, we heard there, there's always the awareness that democracy and safety can come in peril from our own fellow americans. chairman thompson was referencing that last night. it may have went right by some people, because a lot happened. but is quite could striding mocha. -- in a symbolic gesture that people do when they become members of congress. we are showing many of those from recent times, is actually a version of the ironclad oath that was used after the civil war. there was nothing symbolic about it. it was actually kind of a litmus test at the time, so rebels could not truthfully swear to that oath, had they attacked the country. and they could be barred the country or barred from voting voting or charged with perjury. if they were someone who did do those things and we're trying to sneak through the pole of the oath by claiming otherwise.

many people don't think practically about that oath or the presidents oath to defend the country from enemies foreign and domestic. never no over 200 year history have people, even with a great and deep differences in our nation, had to wonder whether the president would become an enemy, whether the president would observe, for example, an armed attack on the seat of government, via from foreign terrorists or domestic -- as i've emphasized here tonight -- and at that president was do would you do nothing. because some would not be enemies to the eyes of the president. as the chairman said, on january 6th, tested all of this. the question is, what do we do with history as a road map here, given that we have been tested before? we have had armed rebellion before. and how did the story of these hearings continue to confer some historical weight as they go on through the next weeks? for that conversation, we have a bit of the past and a bit of

the president. michael beschloss is nbc news presidential historian. there is no better guest to talk about that history of rebellion. and we have former obama adviser chai komanduri about the rhetorical and communication challenges of holding the nations attention in the cummings hearings. michael, i begin with you on your thoughts on that bit of history the chairman shared and how it applies. >> i am so glad he mentioned it and i'm so glad you mentioned it, ari. here's a case where what people were saying at the end of the civil war -- people from the north, the victoria side -- said we've won the civil war. but we are in danger. because without an oath like this that will keep these people out of positions of public trust, who is to say that both confederate senators will not run for the senate again and get elected? and they will use their purchase in the senate to try to have another civil war. and another offense against the federal government, just as

happened in fort sumter with a firing on fort something of 1861. and they were absolutely right. because, as you both know, there was a confederate president whose name was jefferson davis. davis was a former senator from mississippi. and davis, after 1865 -- it took him a couple of years -- but he began giving speeches. and what did davis say? davis said, the south never lost the civil war. actually, we won, but it was stolen from us. and we've got to do something to get that back. who does that remind you of? >> powerful. and we'll put. and chai, we wanted to bring you into the segment, because you've been very thoughtful about how you do effective communication or governing within extreme environments. one of the challenges of standing up to extremism is that you can start to look extreme. in the dawn of the trump era, some people who were genuinely

concerned, initially warnings were written off as histrionic. people can judge for themselves whether the warnings were born out. trump left the way he left office. and we see that. what do you see is a challenge for democrats and how they are navigating it in trying to wake everyone up in these hearings without having it sound like every hearing is, oh my god, a five alarm fire? in a way that reduces the significance? how do you navigate that? >> yeah. i think, quite frankly, democrats have nailed it. it's been a perfect ten in terms of the execution of this hearing. i think the way they package this, the way they have really tried to tell stories -- there's a big story about what happened -- donald trump said ex, and why happened. that's the way the hearing is proceeding. that's crucial going forward, in terms of the story of this hearing. i do think the challenge actually will not be for democrats, that hearing.

the challenge will be what comes after the hearing. there, i think history gives us two very different examples. so, i will bring up watergate, we are the hearing is concluded. parts of impeachment were adopted. there is a tough follow-through and action items. barry goldwater went to the white house and that was his three. the other one i bring up is iran contra. iran contra was a situation where democrats had the hearings. there were no action items, there was really no follow-up. there was no argument that ronald reagan in the reagan administration needs to be held accountable. all of our north swept in and appealed to conservative tribalism, which is exactly what tucker carlson is doing now. the result was, the hearings had no impact. a year later, voters went to the polls, didn't even think about the iran contra scandal, when they reelected the reagan administration to effectively stay in power. what follows these hearings, i would argue, is going to be

more crucial towards the outcome of how this will be remembered then the hearings themselves. i think the hearings themselves will be tremendous. great moments -- list shiny was tremendous. it was a world historical moment, i think, that she had last night. i think ivanka trump -- that was one of the most talked about moments, really, today on social media. what she said about her father and then was her father, today, said about her -- but i think it's what comes after the hearings where the challenges lie. >> yeah. all fair points there. michael? >> this was a fraud against democracy. i thought it was evident on the day it happened. i was just looking back. i did a tweet at 2:47 pm during the attacks saying, this is a coup d'état by the president of the united states. it's not that i was so precious and. it's because you began to see who could benefit and what trump said about people marching to the capital. so, this we sort of hiding in plain sight.

but the point is that this was done by a president who is happy to dismantle our system. and he was doing it, we are increasingly finding, arm in arm with people who can be fairly described as domestic terrorists, some of the groups you are talking about earlier this hour. and more than that, if it had succeeded -- let's just think about that for a moment. the 6th of january, historically. we might not have this program to be saying what we think on the airwaves right now. where would military be in the society? would there be martial law? we do the invocation of the insurrection act? with there have been a move by president donald trump, who is holding on to a second term that he didn't serve, to gayle's enemies? we don't know any of that. but that's what's at stake. unless we identify those guilty, punish those guilty and, as chai we're saying, passed

reform laws to make sure doesn't happen again, all of this will in this country live under the sort of damocles. >> thank you both, chai komanduri and michael beschloss. i hope people are listening. when we come back, the biden administration, actually reversing something trump wanted. and boy, way till you hear the details. i will see you on the other side. side just stop. go for a run. go for 10 runs! run a marathon. instead, start small. with nicorette. which can lead to something big. start stopping with nicorette. bipolar depression. it made me feel trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it.

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it's another big week, though, starting monday. there is live coverage all day, of the full hearing, you can see the line up there, including our special coverage. i will see you -- you can always find, eight 60 am eastern, you can find me online, at ari melber or are remembered of calm. and you can finally covering the hearings -- eastern, and then rachel you will be here, you might say most importantly, along with chris and lawrence and everyone covering the hearings monday night. speaking of lawrence o'donnell, well, i'm handing it over to him. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, airy. and thank you for, i don't, know it might be the best news of the week, but they're keeping the colors of air force one. and no, thank you, by the way, for reminding me of the trump shuttle, which i flew on a few times. >> did you? >> i'll never forget the first time stepping into the -- >> what did you -- was a taught inside? >> the fake gold faet