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her wish? >> yeah. >> yeah. yes. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline. " i'm natalie morales. thank you for watching. welcome to the show, i'm zerlina maxwell. with dangerous heat waves threatening the lives of millions of americans every single year, that congressman proposes the vulnerable communities are at risk. and another group of workers have died at covid 19 at an alarming rate. we will get into all of those topics, and more in this hour. but we start with the first public hearing of this house select committee on january 6th.
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which laid out the case of who they said is at the center of the insurrection. here's congressman benny thompson. >> donald trump was at the center of this conspiracy. and ultimately, donald trump, the president of the united states, spurred a mob of tim aesthetic and the maze of the constitution. to march down the capitol, and subvert american democracy. any legal jargon that you care about seditious conspiracy, obstruction of a official proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the united states, boils down to this. january 6th, was the culmination of an attempted coup. a brazen attempt, as one wanted to put it, shortly after january 6th. to overthrow the government. >> who heard that right? quote. donald trump was at the center
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of this conspiracy to overthrow the government. it also blew a hole into any idea that this protest would -- a march to the capitol that would unintentionally turn violent. instead, there was planning and strategy. including by the proud boys who skipped the rally that day, in march of the capital, early, even before it began. >> proud boys! >> there is probably about, 300 proud boys. they are marching. in this 400 block. towards the united states capitol. >> and at a crucial time, shortly before 1 pm, where the lawmakers inside the capitol were set to certify the election, the proud boys began breaking down the barriers outside the building. as if, to open the gates for the mob that would follow
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capitol police officer caroline edwards said this about what it was like on the frontlines. >> when i saw was just, a war scene. officers on the ground you know, they were bleeding. they were throwing up. they had, i mean i saw friends with blood all over their faces. i was slipping in peoples blood. >> despite repeated pleas by trump's family members and white house staff. to stop the carnage. he refused. he said this, a few months later on frocks news. which the committee then relayed on to video. >> these were great people. the crowd was unbelievable. and the love in the air, i've never seen anything like it. >> love was in the air! donald trump said. well glenn kirschner an msnbc
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legal analyst is our guru for january 6th. whatever the top takeaways for the overarching committee and what they are showing the general public? >> some of the top takeaways include, this was a compelling opening statement. and then, in the coming weeks, that jay six committee will be providing us the evidence. they've already provided some. but providing us the evidence to prove what it is representative thompson, and cheney have to support their opening statement. but even the highlights were so important, and so dramatic. is there anybody who believes, zerlina, set the very first video testimony we would see would be from bill barr of all people? but you know, they have zeroed in on really the only, minimally open question. because donald trump did these
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things, prosecutors can prove that donald trump did these things. but we have always hear people questioning whether they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt, his corrupt intent. bill barr laid that to rest in the earliest moments of the hearing, when he said, i told donald trump his claims of election fraud were bull as. period. now, let's talk about what donald trump did. i was so heartened to see, does that the january 6th investigation, was proving donald trump's crimes with republican voices. bill barr, jason miller, eric short. the republican poster, alex cannon. and, i blanca, his own daughter. who in substance said, i credited what bill barr said about the election not being stolen. now, she didn't say that, she didn't have to. not what my father said. this will go a long way, i hope, zerlina, in blunting the and
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navigable criticism that this is all about politics. you just heard from four or five, or six republican voices and we are going to hear a lot more in the coming weeks. that donald trump committed crimes to try to overthrow our democracy. >> one of the things i think, even in my own mind, as someone steeped in this as much as anybody. that shifted after last night, was that this was not a spontaneous eruption of out of control rioters. that decided to attack the capitol, because donald trump told them at the rally to go. this was, a much bigger and more sinister plan, and that was some of the evidence we start to see last night. do you think the committee is trying to establish the fact that the proud boys and oath keepers in coordination with donald trump and his allies, planned and organize an attack on the capitol, to stop the certification of the election. as opposed to wet a lot of us went into these hearings, and assuming wrongly, in hindsight,
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that it was a riot that got out of hand? yeah, this was not a protest or a rally that got out of control. and devolved into as spontaneous riots. this was a concerted, multi pronged, effort. and plan. that was put in place by trump, and some of his nefarious lawyers, like the johnny's, and the jeffrey clark's, and rudy giuliani's, to do precisely what was done ungenerous x. to stall the certification. that was what donald trump said that day, to the angry mob. go on there and stop what's happening in the capital. so one of the points that i think we saw last night that reinforces what you just raised, zerlina, is this meeting in the oval office. that was basically free of any adults in the room. because it was mike flynn, and rudy giuliani, and sidney powell, and donald trump, and we heard evidence that some of the lawyers rushed into
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traitors to put a stop to it. and tried to do, a dirty meeting, where donald trump tweeted out. come to d.c. on january 6th, will be -- . that was december 19th. it looks like part of the plot was hatched in that oval office meeting among those coconspirators, and then donald trump promptly put it into action by setting out that treat to the proud boys and after. to tell them to come to d.c. on january 6th. that's what happened. >> so, when you're saying coconspirators. that leads me to the next question, which is what crimes are we talking about here? there are a number of federal statutes that apply to these facts. that were laid out by the committee. help us understand which statutes, i know u.s. c three 71, and 15 12 or two that have come up so far. >> exactly, and those two
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statutes, conspiracy to defraud or commit offenses against the united states, and obstructing an official proceeding, certification of joe biden's win. nobody has to take our word for it, zerlina, a federal judge, david carter, has already ruled by preponderance of the evidence, that donald trump and john eastman committed those crimes. but based on all of the evidence that the january 6th investigation has amassed, we're also looking at inciting insurrection, we're all lasalle looking at a conspiracy -- which the proud boys have already been indicted for. and i think part of what drives all of that home, and the connective tissue that pulls it out of that together. is that we are going to see, for donald trump for three hours, refusing to place a single phone call to send forces to protect the capital, even though he knew the capitol was under attack. we are learned last night that mike pence had to step into that breach. was he overstepping his
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authority? perhaps. thanks good he did. but because it sure looks like that donald trump was fine with people at the capitol being hurt, and perhaps worse. and mike pence, perhaps borne of self preservation because he was under attack. he at least made the call that donald trump did not make. and he called for reinforcements to protect the people in the capital. and, the last crime i'm going to mention, is that sure feels like donald trump levying war against the united states. which is the definition of treason. the granddaddy of all crimes against america. glenn kirschner, the thanks so much for that breakdown. there's so much to keep in mind but we are so grateful for helping you and understand us. david is the executive editor for the new yorker. i want to play you something that congressman thompson said, i want to get your reaction on the other side. >> january 6th, and the lies that led to the insurrection,
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have put two and a half centuries of constitutional democracy at risk. the world is watching what we do here. >> in addition to the specific crimes that make up, in terms of, future investigations at the doj. one of the other tests of the committee is to lay out the rest to that are to margaret see going forward. are they starting to make that case that our democracy was and still is at risk? >> i think absolutely. i think the footage was amazing, and in terms of how well this was planned. one of the most remarkable things to me, is the first video clips that you showed. the proud boys, assembling, and marching towards the capital. not at 1:00 when the president tried speaking. at 10 am. this was preplanned, i remember in the hours after the attack on the capital, the proud boys and the oath keepers went to
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different entrances of the capitol. they were trying to spread out the capitol police. this was clearly planned. and then, yes, as representative thompson said, it is the first time in american history and in a country's history, that the president has not agreed to the peaceful transfer of power. and i fear the president this sets. unless, we can face this history and see the truth of what donald trump dead. because we will have more contested elections. more violence, more instability in our country. >> and i think that extends beyond just presidential elections. even on a local level. i think there is a real risk that violence can happen there to. lay out what it means that, liz cheney, mentioned that there were members of congress who requested pardons after january 6th. what is the significance of that do you think? >> i think they are aware that they have broken the law. there is no other explanation
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for that. and i think that one key thing we are going to hear is the breath of how long this went on. i had the committee say for a time, they were looking back as far as april 2020. months before the election. that there is a plan by trump, and his allies, to sow doubts. talk about election fraud. that continues until the night of the election, rejecting the results. there is the classes with bill barr that have been talked about here. and more importantly, and members of congress were involved, an effort to fire the acting attorney general. and force the leadership of the justice department to falsely claim that there was fraud in the election. and again, this is a watergate-like moment. every senior official in the justice department refuses to go along with the coup. they, together, stop trump. it was very close. but i think that is an event that has not gotten the attention it should. and thank goodness they did. so that's gonna be this pattern of, effort after after it,
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misleading the public. trying to get control of the justice department. and then trying to block the certification of the vote. all of this, was, i agree an attempted coup. >> so you spoken to people of the doj. speaking of the department of justice, what can you tell us about their ongoing investigation? liz cheney did referred to the fact that it is ongoing, in comments last night. >> so, justice and officials pointed made to the speech which he gave us on the anniversary of the attack. and they said, that justice department will follow the evidence where it goes. they will process anyone who was present inside the capitol or not ungenerous x. the key question, is there or can there be a way to link donald trump to all of these efforts? there needs to be, very much, to have a john dean like witness. a witness who turns against the
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president and pence is on him. and that is the critical length, i think, to get, if they are going to prosecute trump. there has to be a way to show him personally plotting, and witnesses to prove that. throughout this career, he's been very careful about being vague, and signal to others what he wants done. but given that there is more evidence to come, the committee might have it. and again, it was an astonishing night. and an amazing force hearing. >> roger stone comes to mind? we'll see. just throwing it out there. david, thank you so much for being here. it's really helpful. please stay safe. coming up, like us. even those on capitol hill on january 6th are learning what's the horrors that insurrection extended. i'll talk to someone about her takeaways from thursday night's hearing. welcome back!
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we would feel so hopeless in that moment. >> not even the lawmakers trapped inside the capitol in january six, near the full scope of the attack. the unseen video offered various angles of the violence that day from the bloody and bruised, and occasionally unconscious police officers vastly and under demand. there were hordes of angry people walking outside the house floor only separated by lawmakers by shattered doors at armed guards. joining me now was someone who was inside the building in on that day. congresswoman bonnie watson coleman. congresswoman, always necessary. you thank you for being here. >> it is always great to be with you. >> how was it seeing the full scale of what happened to you from all different angles through the footage last night? >> last night, i think we were just seeing the beginning, the touch points of debunking that
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this was rallying gone awry and that it was spontaneous. for me, when i was looking at the documentarian's video, in particular, it was traumatizing. i knew how close i was to what was happening, even though i was on that first floor in one of the offices. to listen to, a particularly, liz cheney's timeframe. how she laid out what was happening and what's -- in wet time, it's solidified a very cohesive way the threat that existed, the coordination, the planning, the expectations, the motivations, and the call to arms. it is all linked together. it was not only the folks on the ground as part of the insurrection but the folks
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behind the insurrection, including the white house. >> i was going to say, you lived through it. to your point, when you think about what happened in all those different angles, when you see that the proud boys lined up to march at 10:00 in the morning and had time for a selfie before starting to go towards the capitol to breach the doors and windows, you get a sense that well before you guys were even aware that there was a potential problem outside, they were lined up and in position. this is hours before you got there. does this sort of change how you see what happened to you on january six? >> yes, it scares me even more. i realized watching that last night.
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. . this was a planned effort. they intended to be a physical, an assault upon a democracy and the people, you know the capitol police or members of congress that they would encounter. they were so motivated out of this hate. they were fundamentally motivated behind what the president had set them up to two over a period of time. they were also motivated as white supremacists who were attacking this multi racial culture that we have in the united states of america. that threat exists to this day, to this very moment.
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it is reinforced, in many ways, by the laws that are being passed in state. the number of people who are running for office, who were part of the insurrection. it is a credible, zerlina, to believe that this was the american -- united states of america. just being aces in, let alone it an elected official, we are scared on so many levels for our safety and security. for our personal safety and security, and much more important, our democracy is hanging in the balance. i was in the company of some young analysts who said, elected officials are forever talking about the upcoming election. he said let me tell you this, stop using that. this upcoming election, zerlina, is about life and death. it is about whether a democracy lives, and the people who look like me, you, diversity, at the
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beautiful diversity of this nation, whether or not we will be able to participate and be protected. it is whether or not the principles for everyone will be tempered upon and be trampled upon and what will remain will be the narrow myopic views that extremists hold. the value of who i am and what this diversity represents will mean nothing in this country. this is scary. last night, i found myself and tearing up when thompson was going over his statement. i was tearing up when liz cheney was doing hers. then to hear the testimony of the two witnesses, it is very compelling. there is a lot more that they are going to reveal. i never had it presented to me.
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the 10 am, the night before, the actions before, the actions after, in such a narrative that was not interrupted by a republican jumping in saying this is not true. these were consequential hearings, that this country is going to propose to. i hope, actually, i want to see them all on prime time. america needs to see them to just turn their tv on and find them. >> it is so important and the historical context there. i want to know, before we go, in the last minute, the -- it will combat heat in low income communities. tell us about that. >> it is a comprehensive approach to looking at the impact of overburdened communities, experiencing a heat, and whether or not our policies are in place to
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minute? so we need specific data. and it is also in terms of vaccination requirements as well. that is added to the value. but we know that, it will stop these from becoming more contagious and transmissible. also with vaccines, they will prevent former transmission of infection. so there are areas of ppe, vaccination requirements, air is another area that needs to be focused on when we aren't. you would never use someone else's backwater right? but we also use other peoples air. we breathe in and out the same air. that is an area where we need to invest resource and funding to improve the infrastructure. >> that is a really scary example, using someone else's dirty bathwater. i'm gonna think about that all weekend. the biden administration announced on friday that it is getting rid of the testing requirement for international travelers coming into the u.s.. to your point about the
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loosening of some of these restrictions, instead of putting them in place so that we can mitigate the spread. we're averaging hundreds of thousands of cases every single day, and as doctor at coffee says, those deaths are in motion. so what can we learn, in terms of what it means for the future of this pandemic. what does it mean that some of these mandates and requirements are going away? >> so, we zerlina, we can stop beating around the bush and just admit that there are political and financial incentives for repealing and lifting these covid protections. so that is what is is. and basically, the administration was to increase international travelers back to the u.s.. that is an economic issue. so i will say, that economic change of policy is going to have implications. and it's gonna have implications for the group we are just talking about. the most marginalized. people, and service workers, who are gonna be essentially,
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last six months. the shortage is women paying 10.8% more for feminine hygiene products. it is taking a harder toll on those who cannot afford these products in the first place. joining me now to explain's adina marlowe, the founder and executive director of support girls, a nonprofit profit that provides hygiene products for homeless people and vulnerable women it relies on donations from from people. and last six months, you are getting less money, half as many during the same time last year. 61% fewer than 2020. this is an essential product for people. why do you think the shortage has not gotten the attention like some of the other things have like baby formula? i think probably, it does not
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impact everyone. theoretically it does you drop back to the fact that everyone has come from someone who comes with a period and has needed to use a stack of talks like the ones i have. here i think because it is not in everyone's faces, it is not in lawmakers faces if they do not have a period, it can sometimes go by the wayside. as you mentioned with the previous that guest, there's been so many constraints impacting tons of consumer products. tampons, like you just said, hansen ties, or toilet paper, baby formula, have all taken its toll on people. it is really rough out there. periods do not stop for pandemics. it is not like you can say i cannot find a tampon so it is a good month to turn off by period. >> what about the prices?
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why are the prices going up? it is also related to the fact that there are supply chain issues? i already understand that products that women purchase already have a pink tax and cost more but why is there a big and sudden increase in tampons over the last six months i think that the impact of the price increase on tampons, and it seems to be across the board, across the u.s.. we had folks reaching out to us on social media from wisconsin to florida, from california to new york, saying that not only are the shelves where they typically buy tampons empty, or virtually empty, but when they are available the prices have gone up. i do not think this is a product that we should be price gouging on. this is a necessity. it is around menstrual hygiene
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legislation to ban minors from attending drag shows. after a viral video showed parents and their -- to adele's show over the weekend. state representative brian, who was firing the bell said, in a statement, that the law was necessary to protect minors from perverted adults who are obsessed with sexualizing young children. this is one of 320 anti-lgbtq+ bills introduced to state legislatures just this year. joining me now to discuss, glad
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warm member, and rupaul's drag race contestant. first of all, happy pride! i love the fan! oh this is so good. so, -- >> drag queens out there. >> unfortunately we can't talk about something just fun. but, i do think that it is important to highlight that continued attacks on the lgbtq+ community. so why do you think drag queens are the new target of these discriminatory laws? >> because drag queens are flashy, fun, entertainment. and harmless. they are harmless. which is why they are targeting, yet again, a harmless set of, i guess, faction of the community. when it really is just a red herring. because if you are just about the safety of children. there is a lot more that the folks in texas can be doing, then talking about drag shows. >> right, we were just talking about gun violence. and i imagine some reforms in that area would do a lot more
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with drag children. so, would you think is so scary about drag queens? why do lawmakers not understand when it comes to track culture? >> you know, i think that there is a lot that they don't understand. but the most important thing that they need to understand is that track culture is a celebration of not only lgbtq culture. but also a celebration of humanity. drag entertainment, especially the way it's involved, is an expression. a harmless way for people to connect with their community. and connect with everyone. track is very mainstream by now. if you didn't realize! and, if you're gonna try to shut down drag. you're gonna have to do a lot more than go to your local gay bar. you're gonna have to target every commercial, every television show, every brand, product placement. all social media. because dragons everywhere, you've already lost the fight,
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darling, in terms of drag. it's something that everyone should celebrate. and, most people don't, to be honest, of all the drag shows i've been on. i think about seven 5000, 20 million. i think there's rarely ever any children at any drag shows. they're usually found in bars, and clubs traditionally. and the next place where it's really popped up, is mainstream television. tv shows like ripples drag race. and call me mother. and these are, this is on tv right? so i don't know what they're really trying to say here. but it seems like a red herring. and in the tradition of jada essence hall, saying look over there! and really trying to get us to look into a completely different place than we should be looking. >> it's so true. and i want to end with kind of a fun question. so last month, to honor janet jackson's birthday. you recreated a video to her
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song f. by the way, i know all the choreography to the song. i do. >> [inaudible] >> oh my god we should be that when we're in person. so tell me about this. why would you create? this this is a classic, epic, instant moment into the history books for janet. i love it. >> listen i love janet. i'm a huge fan. the video is iconic. and i wanted to do something special for her birthday. so i spent my last time getting everything together, and i'm really happy with it. >> i love it so much! i know all of the choreography to this video as well. so when you and i can share as this, post covid protocols, we will do that, reverse the choreography. i can't say that were posted online, i don't want judgment from the internet on my dancing skills. but i know it by heart. peppermint, always so great to have you. thank you for being here. and for talking to us about this important issue.
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but also for fun to. you can catch her on tour this summer, and the album will be out as well. it's called moment of weakness, letters to my lovers. for those who want to pick it up. that does it for me, i'm zerlina. you can find me on friday's streaming through the msnbc hub. be sure to follow us on facebook, twitter, tiktok, facebook. more news is coming up more here on msnbc! ♪ ♪ ♪
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