this is the katie phang show live from miami florida. we have a lot of news to cover and a lot of questions to answer. let's get started. more than 20 million americans watched the first of january 6th hearing live on tv. we were left with a lot of questions. what would lead to multiple republican members of congress to ask for a pardon. will the attorney general go after donald trump and others faced on the committing's findings? this is the first time that we have heard donald trump publicly trash his daughter ivanka.

i will dive deep into this with my panel of experts. our republican primary goes off the rails of the ten people who are looking to take on the michigan governor. more than half of been kicked off the ballot for election fraud or arrested by the fbi. i'm going one-on-one with the michigan secretary of state about this insanity. later, thousands are getting ready today to march across the united states for new gun laws in just a few hours. the question lurking in everyone's mind, will this time be any different? i will put that exact question to activists a freddie guttenberg, whose child was killed in parkland. all of this and more is coming up. ♪ ♪ ♪ good saturday morning to you all. i am katie fang. democracy, it is not inevitable. we, the american people, were reminded of this this week with the first primetime hearing of

the january six committee. here's community member jamie raskin on the panels efforts to prove that trump was directly responsible for what happened that day. >> everybody understood completely that this amass a crowd was influenced by domestic violence extremist groups that got to the head of it at the heart of it. they were activated, excited, exhorted by all of donald trump's tweets and battlefield instructions. >> vice chairwoman, liz cheney, revealed that trump embraced the words of the insurrectionists who were chanting, hang mike pence. round two starts monday. political etiquette is testifying before the committee. msnbc news correspondent, allie raffa, has more for us from capitol hill. >> katie, the partisan divide over who is to blame for the

deadly attack on the capitol attack on january 6th is reigniting over a year and a half after the event, with the partisan and blow out from this first public hearing of the january six committee on thursday. democrats are saying that they are happy that this is finally being investigated and presented to the american people while republicans, meanwhile, are continuing to defend the former president also arguing that there are more important issues that americans should be worried about like inflation. nearly 20 million people turned in to watch the hearing. as low amount of people tuned in to watch the president's state of the union address. when you factor in the number of people who were likely watching on streaming, the number grows higher. in these hearings, in these first hearings the committee used never before seen the video as well as the words of the very people inside the former president's inner circle to deliver the testimony and

lay out what they say is a conspiracy that was led and fueled by the former president to overturn the results of the 2020 election using his continued false claims of a fraudulent election. we heard from bill barr who said that he repeatedly told the former president that he did indeed lose the election. we then heard from his daughter, ivanka trump, who told the committee that she accepted barr's conclusion. trump hit back at the both of them in his a social media platform calling barr a coward and claiming his daughter had quote, long since it checked out since the following the election results. we are also hearing from leaders of the extremist groups, the proud boys and oath keepers, who talked about how influential trump's tweets were and getting them to d.c., to the capitol that day. we also heard from a capitol police officer who delivered an extremely emotional testimony, talking about the, quote, carnage and chaos that she witnessed outside of the

capital as she engaged in hand to hand combat with these rioters for hours outside of the capital. there are three more hearings scheduled for next week. the first of them is on monday. it will feature testimony about how his of false claims of election fraud were amplified by a former fox news political editor. we will also hear later on in the week from former doj and white house officials. our thanks to ali for breaking down what happened on thursday night and what we could look forward to hearing on monday and moving forward. let's bring in former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, craig. he is host of the podcast justice matters. he is a fellow justice warrior. glenn, always a pleasure to have you. we already had one hearing. i thought it was pretty spectacular. all in, glenn, have you seen and heard enough evidence to indict donald trump?

>> based on public reporting over the last 17 months, katie, the answer is yes. i think there is ample evidence to bring a conspiracy charge to donald trump and others. you do not have to take my word for it. a federal judge, david carter, has ruled repeatedly after seeing evidence that both donald trump and one of his corrupt lawyers, eastman, have committed federal felonies. one of them is a three 71 conspiracy. it is a conspiracy to defraud and commit offenses against the united states. the other one is obstructing an official proceeding. this is the certification of joe biden. importantly, judge carter made his rulings by a preponderance of the evidence, more likely that, not a 51%. to indict someone for a crime, you only need probable cause. that is significantly less than a preponderance of the evidence. even before the hearings kicked

off, i maintain that there is enough evidence to hold donald trump accountable in a court of law for the crimes he committed against the united states. >> glenn, you and i know, when you aim for the king, you best not met miss. you have to have beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt to convict. do you think this is a problem here? someone like donald trump, i would use the word, savvy, this is too much credit. he never put anything in writing. he never had the phone. do you think there's enough smoking gun evidence to actually indict and convict? >> it's a great question. what have we all heard? it is so hard to prove corrupt intent. we know the act that he committed. the acts certainly appear to be criminal. people say, does he really have a guilty state of mind? a criminal mens rhea when he was performing these acts? i think it was a pretty brilliant move for the january

six committee to open with the first witness that we saw. it video clip of the testimony, it was bill barr. it was a surprise to me. i did not think he would be the first witness that we saw. i think they did this for two reasons. one, bill barr in one word, an expletive at what's at that, laid to rest any question of whether he had corrupt intent. he said i went into the oval office and said, mister president, your claims of election fraud are bs. katie, you know how we prove corrupt in tenth in court? we have to try to infer that they have corrupt intent basquiat on facts, evidence, and circumstances. no defendant ever says, excuse me, i'm about to commit a crime and i have intent corrupt intent. if bill barr says that you are lying mister president, the election was not stolen. this provides circumstantial evidence to allow the jury to infer the intent was corrupt. the second reason that it was a

really savvy tactical move to open with bill barr, he is a republican voice. he was not the only republican voice that we heard from during the first hearing. we heard from marc short, jason miller, we heard from the republican pollster alex cannon and we heard from ivanka. we are going to hear from more republican voices who are going to expose donald trump's crimes. it will help to blunt the criticism that this is all about partisan politics. how can you make that claim, when republican voices, among others, are the ones proving donald trump's crimes. >> during thursday's hearing, liz cheney dropped this bombshell. let's take a listen. >> as you will see, representative perry contacted the white house in the weeks after january six to seek a presidential pardon. multiple other republican congressman also sought

presidential pardons for their roles in the attempt to overturn the 2020 election. >> glenn, stinks of consciousness of guilt to seek a pardon. what are you making of this a shocking claim from liz cheney? >> you know, katie, it is not just consciousness of guilt. it is, in some ways, better than a confession. stick with me here. if someone is arrested, and the police mirandized am and interrogate them, and the person confesses to the crime, what will the defense attorneys claim? the police force them to confess. it was a's false confession. when members of congress, scott perry and others, reach out to the president and announced that i need a pardon for what i just tried to do for you on and around january six, guess what? there was no pressure placed on those members of congress to reach out and ask for a pardon. it is a voluntary admission of guilt that came from the gut.

that is powerfully incriminating in evidence. it is evidence from heaven to a prosecutor. >> glenn kirschner, we will have you back. let's keep our breaking down these hearings. thank you for being here this morning. >> thanks, katie. >> now, on to breaking news on the economy, the average price of a gas of gasoline is reaching $5 nationally, an all-time high. inflation numbers are also jumping to a 40 year high affecting everything from home prices, food, to gasoline. tom castle has more for us. >> the red arrows on wall street represent real money for american families, mutual funds, coop 401(k) s, college savings, and pensions are all sliding. report shows that inflation is worse than last month. now running at 8.6%, the fastest pace since 1981. there is nowhere to hide. food is up 10.1%, ill-advised soaring egg prices as bird flu ravages chicken flocks. housing is up five and a half

percent. gasoline is surging every day. >> i'm stopping at 40. i will not go over 40. i don't care where it gets. me >> also driving inflation higher's air fares. >> domestic air fares are averaging $403 round trip from here in atlanta to l.a. is up 65% from 2019. from new york to denver, 58% higher than 2018. chicago to orlando, up 47%. in detroit, third generation owner grace carroll says that her costs have soared this year. >> 26% on bundles, 12% on paper bags, 25% on a hotdog. almost 30% on ground beef and chicken. >> in los angeles, president biden blamed the higher prices worldwide on shippers who are price gouging and the war in ukraine. >> we have never seen anything like putin's tax on food and gas. >> many economists also blame pandemic related stimulus money and the fed for not acting

sooner. now, the pressure is building on chairman jerome powell to raise interest rates faster to bring inflation under control. some experts call for a full 1% hike next week. >> he has to get control over the narrative and say, we are not going to dribble out the medicine. let's take it now. >> pay races have been wiped out by inflation. unemployment remains near 50-year lows for now. >> you know what, we are still here and serving customers and the sun is shining. >> thank you to tom costello. now we are going to turn to ukraine where three and a half months into the war, they have a halt of russian troops and it is increasingly challenging. they say that the forces are running low on ammunition and they have not received enough supplies from the allies. grim news comes as russian president, vladimir putin, is comparing himself to peter the great. he says he wants to return russia to a great empire again. for more on all of this, we will turn to alison barber in

ukraine. >> hey, katie. ukrainian officials have accused russian forces of committing over 11,000 were crimes in the last three months. this is just one example. this is a cultural house. a place where the halls used to be full of music, play, children, happiness. it was targeted by russian missiles. you can see it all along here where it was a shelf aggressively from the outside, hit with heavy artillery. people say this was not an accident. it was a specific target. this is as the fighting in the east intensifies and the donbas region, ukrainian officials have said that they have lost up to 200 troops a day. one of president zelenskyy's top aides told us that to match russian firepower in the area, they need 300 additional rocket launch systems in order to basically keep things where they are.

they need more advanced weapons than what's the west is currently sending, katie. >> thank you, alison barber. coming, up we are tracking the right reaction to the one, six hearings. >> the whole thing is insulting. in fact, it deranged, and we are not playing along. this is the only hour on american news channel that will not be carrying that propaganda. why? >> yeah, the irony, it's not lost on me either, but the fact that fox news went commercial free for two hours to rage against the hearings, well, that's a big tell. could the network itself beat the committees next target? my panel is here to break it all down. and a little later in the hour, a school board of pennsylvania banned two of his children's books because, you, know rosa parks and martin luther king are so controversial. i am sitting down with author brad melter to talk about how he rallied an entire community to fight a book ban. stick with us.

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perspective about the election when the attorney made that statement? >> it affected my perspective. i respect attorney general barr. so, i accepted what he was saying. >> we've seen over the years how much trump praises his oldest daughter, which is why it was such a surprise when he posted this on truth social. quote, ivanka trump was not involved in looking at or studying election results. she had long since he checked out, and was, in my opinion, only trying to be respectful to bill barr and his position as attorney general. parentheses, he sucked. and a parentheses. let's bring in my panel to talk about all of this. kurt is an adviser to the dnc, and a former senior adviser for republicans on the house oversight committee. and, daniel moody is the host of that woke a apart cast. you guys are my powerful political panel. i always love having you here. daniel, i will start with. you does trump's very public

reaction to the ivanka trump stuff say that thursday's hearing might actually touched a nerve? i don't think i've ever heard one thing about her negative publicly. >> you know, a lot of people, katie, have not heard him say what he said, because he is not on twitter, right? he is on some very random right-wing social media platform. but yes, of course, everything touches a nerve with donald trump. when the truth comes out, he goes into toddler mode, right? which is to strike back against anybody with any logic. so, i think that it was embarrassing for him, right? that is the first video being shown or of his eternal general and his favorite daughter, right? so, i think it's very clear what the committee was trying to lay out, which is let republicans, in their own words, say what we all knew to be true. donald trump was a very aware, well before january 6th, that he lost the election. but, that is not matter. >> trump is notorious for throwing people under the bus, right? that's his mo, right? he does it to avoid his own

exposure. but at the end of the day, is it really going to matter? >> no, it's not going to matter. i mean, this is a tried and true strategy we've seen from donald trump over, and over, and over again. the greatest thing in the world, the smartest person he knows, until you cross him. and then, all of a sudden, you are don. you are an idiot. you are lazy. you've checked out. we've seen it with jeff sessions, his former attorney general. we've seen it with his own personal attorney, michael cohen, time and time again. this is what donald trump does. this is why loyalty is a one-way street with donald trump. i think everybody knows that. i think everybody is used to that. i don't think it does anything to change narratives. i think, in this case, with that sticks so severe, the implications so important, that people aren't going to be chasing donald trump's personal reactions on this fringe right-wing platform that nobody really belongs to. i think that people in the media, and analysts, and folks like us, we have our eyes on the prize, and that's really what the evidence was, what we've learned that was new, and what the implications are going

forward, both for the people involved, also for democracy itself. >> you know, danielle, liz cheney, only one of two republicans on the six committee, she is putting her political career on the line to go after trump. she actually voted with him more than 90% of the time. i think there's been a lot lately about legacies and how people want to be remembered. how do you think someone like liz cheney is going to be remembered, from what you've seen so far? >> well, we know that in american history, oftentimes, when people pass, right, remember all of the good, things are none of the ways in which they actually worked against our country's progress. and, i think the same will be true for liz cheney. i think that she will be remembered for this moment, right? for the fact that she, you know, voted with donald trump 90% of the time, which means she believes in all of the policies that republicans believe in, which is not providing for the american people, providing for that wealthy, and all of these things. but, because the backbone to stand up, on this one issue,

lying, the preservation of our democracy, i am not going to be aboard the trump train. i am not doing this. so, you know, i think that she set the tone that she is very clear about the fact that our democracy hangs in the balance, and this isn't about loyalty to a thing. it is about the preservation of our democracy moving forward, and that we are in a dangerous moment, and her former party is at the forefront of that. kurt, we talked earlier in the shield about the fact that fox news refused to show it with sound and go to commercial while it was happening. do you think the strategy worked for them? >> no, i think it backfired tremendously. here is the reality. because of the way that social media works today, because of the way that audiences and consumers go after information and find information, people are going to see these things. the audience that they are trying to shield the truth from and continue to mislead, they have twitter, they are on

facebook. the most of viral clips from this proceeding, from this outstanding testimony from the capitol police officer, from the clips of bill barr, the former chief of staff, ivanka, jared, and jason miller, all of those things are all over the internet. they are all accessible. i do not think that fox news, in any way, helped themselves by shielding their entire audience from watching this or watching another tucker carlson rage info. they did a disservice to the country. they did reputation or harm to themselves. they could do more harm to the reputation, but they did it. and in the of the day it is not going to work. people will see it. >> danielle, before we go, one of the witnesses that we saw on monday was kris starr wall after he was fired from fox. he is known for saying that he fox news is unarmed for the

republican party. it's going to have problems with the network of fox news? >> i would love for them to do that. i would love for the department of justice to do that. i would love for the scc to do that. the reality here is that fox news, for the longest time, is the propaganda arm. it is a dangerous entity. i think it is incredibly important for them to not just look at this and say freedom of speech, we cannot touch it, we have to see how all of these pieces fit together. without fox news you would not have the application of the insurrection and replacement theory and all those things that we know that these militia groups hold dear. yes, i think they should be zeroing in on fox at some point and i hope it is soon. >> my think to daniel moody and kurt, my power political panel. i cannot wait to have you guys back. in a crowd of michigan primary race, in ironic twist puts hypocrisy on election fraud

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positions that were filled with forged signatures. of the ten republicans that are in the running, more than half of them have gotten the boot or have been arrested by the fbi. yesterday, on my peacock show, i had the pleasure of speaking with the michigan secretary of state, jocelyn benson. i had to ask her about her reaction to ryan kelly's arrest. >> it is really eye-opening that anyone seeking public office would take part, or allegedly take part, and an insurrection to take over an election. as you point out, this is not an anomaly. in michigan, we see candidates for all statewide positions, including nominees for secretary of state and general. it is to advance a lie of who won the 2021 election. they continue to spread misinformation and look towards future elections, as you mentioned, and to potentially overturn election results they

do not agree with. it is not just in michigan. it is in states all around the country. you see a trifecta of people running for attorney, governor, and secretary of state, who do not believe in democracy. >> the michigan gop put out a statement about ryan kelly's arrest, saying that they are weaponizing the justice system in an unprecedented way in against their political opponents. why isn't the republican party, especially in michigan, running as far away as possible from someone who was just arrested by the fbi for participating in the insurrection? >> that is the question that voters should be asking the candidates who are running and seeking their support right now. i thought about the statement a lot yesterday and it really underscored the strange moment that we are in, where is simply seeking the truth and accountability and justice has become, in this toxic moment, dismissed by leaders of a major political party. it is really concerning. it is why, when we talk about the battle over the future of our democracy and that

democracy is still on the ballot, this fall, this is what we mean. >> you recently interviewed for a second time by the january 6th committee. what's, if anything, can you possibly share with us about the questions that were posed to during that second interview, and what kind of inter, information did you say with them? >> we went through a very granular, step-by-step account of everything that we in michigan experienced leading up to the 2020 presidential election, and then in the months that followed. and, what we found along the way, as we step through everything that we did to actually run a very successful election, very secure, high turnout, and stand by those results with every step of the way, the former president and his allies were lying to our voters and two others, and then those lies then transformed into hateful rhetoric and violent threats that continue to affect us to this day. so, i was grateful for an opportunity to participate, and i think every american, it's called upon by the committee should be willing to participate as well.

because, it is important that the truth is known, about the details of what we went through is an 01, and at the historical rhetoric reflect a very serious, national, coordinated effort that was underway there transformed into violence, all focused on overturning the will of the people, and undermining a presidential election. >> for those of us that were watching last night, and watching intently, and listening carefully, there was some delivery of a promise made by liz cheney and bennie thompson that the january six committee is going to be presented evidence later on in future hearings about that slate of electors concept, the idea of advancing a fake slate of electors in order to do exactly what you just said, secretary, overturn the will of the people. are you hoping that there will be an impact from these january six hearings on the people in michigan, especially seeing how michigan politics seems to be drowning in the big lie? >> i hope that everyone, republicans, democrats, independents will us into that truth, as it emerges through this bipartisan commission that

hasn't been doing that work over the last few, over the last year to uncover and make connections across states. because, this again is not just about the past. it's about the future, and making sure that this never happens again, and that in future elections, voters can be assured that regardless of who wins, the will of the voters will hold. that's what's the foundation of our country is resting on, and that's why the work of this committee, to hold accountable those who tried to undermine that foundation in the past is so important. >> that was michigan a secretary of joscelyn benson. coming up, massive rallies against gun violence are scheduled today across the united states. what it feels different though about this year's march? we will talk to brad guttenberg coming up next. clean ingredients... in a buttery brioche roll. made fresh, to leave you... speechless. panera's new chef's chicken sandwiches.

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survivors of the marjory stoneman douglas school shooting stage the biggest gun violence protests in history. today, organizers of march for our lives our back in washington d.c. in the wake of the mass shooting in uvalde, texas, and a push for action on gun legislation. the rally in d.c. is the largest of more than 450 sisters marches that are set to take place in cities across the country, and around the world. according to an end bc news counts, in the year since parkland, there has been 18

school shootings nationwide and nothing has changed with gun laws. david hogg, a parkland shooting survivor and cofounder of march for our lives, he says this time is different. >> i think that it is more possible now than it has been in the past 10 to 15 years. changes coming, but the reason is not because they have had a change of heart. it is because we are not letting a fade in the news. >> with me now is anti gun violence activist and friend, fred guttenberg, he lost his daughter in the parkland shooting. fred, it is always an honor to have you with me, especially today where we have the march for our lives marches that are going to be all around the world and in the u.s.. i have to ask you, are you as optimistic as david hogg? do you think a change is coming? will this march make a difference? >> listen, if you would have said to me four years ago at the last march that we would now have a president that would

sign legislation, a house that took the historic action that they did this week to pass legislation in the house, and a senate that is a 50/50 and so close, if only we can give a few republican senators a kick in the you know what's and move them, which we worked out, i would have told you four years ago that we could not get this close four years later. here we are. we are this close. eight to 90% of the american public wants this. it is no longer an issue of how we have gotten closer, because we have did. will we be able to break away a wall of ten people in one body of government who are holding the country hostage? if we cannot break through the wall of those people who work holding the country hostage, then we have an election coming up in six months and we will finish the job. >> you talk about how close

people are. senator chris murphy says that the bipartisan group is so close to an agreement. we know that background checks is a sticking point. what do you specifically looking for from this proposed legislation? >> senator chris murphy, i love the man, he has worked tirelessly. i've been with him several times this week including at this event that we showed yesterday. i want to pass legislation that deals with things like red flags. that deals with the issues that we need to fix in background checks. that deals with things like the age group that is 18 to 21 that is getting their hands on weapons and using them in mass killings and other killings. there is so much more that we can do. here is my metric. it is so simple. anything that we do, if we can

show that it is going to save lives, if it is going to reduce the instances of violence, if it is going to reduce the severity of gun violence injuries, let's do it. we cannot do everything. if we can work on turning the corner on this metric, that is a good start. >> you are going to be marching today with former republican congressman, joe walsh. last week, i have both of you on my peacock show. this is what he said about where you are able to find common ground on guns. let's take a listen. >> katie, i think the sweet spot of compromise, at least for where fred and i came together, is doing whatever we can before the gun purchase to make sure that the person who gets a gun is someone who should have a gun. >> fred, i know you are working with people like joe walsh, but have you been able to reach a compromise across the aisle with others than just joe? >> here's the deal.

across america, the question is yes. you talk to anyone, a gun owners, republicans and democrats, the answer is yes. if you look at the vote in the house on any of the individual votes, i think they were anywhere between 5 to 10 republicans who joined. on the total package vote, i think the number was five. i cannot recall off the top of my head. this was bipartisan. it is not as many as i would have liked but republicans say that we value the lives of americans and arkansas as well. the issue is going to be the senate. do we have people to join democrats in the senate right now? yes, we do. we really do. will we get the ten that we need it to come to 60 and get us the filibuster? that will be the question >> that issue is not if we can find common ground anymore. the issue is not can we do anything bipartisan anymore. the issue is not does america want this anymore. it all has been answered.

the issue is will enough republicans decide that doing this and saving lives matters. again, if not, we will have a chance to react and know who they. are they have a chance to do something truly historic. it will have to happen in a matter of days. it would be historic. >> today, fred, there will be marches everywhere like we talked about. we are going to root for you and hope that the energy carries forward to the ten senators to make sure that there is a difference. thank you for being here, fred guttenberg. >> think, katie. >> a growing concern for a republican-led states. children's book. an author of two american heroes says that it was too divisive for a school district. how he fought for his books to stay on the shelves. this is coming up next. ming up next

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the reading rainbow calls a bs on mounting banned books across the country. it is been an absurd priority for those in the united states and a growing conservative party that aims to control what those are learning in schools. texas, and pennsylvania, and florida, are the three biggest culprits when it comes to censoring books, usually with things of race or lgbtq backgrounds. they report that 42% of children's books has been banned from school districts this year. someone who knows about this is my guest brad meltzer. two of his books were banned by a pennsylvania school board for being divisive and promoting bad ideas. please, do not ask me what is so divisive about rosa parks, because i cannot tell you. new york times bestselling author, brad, joins me on set this morning. it is a treat to have you. you're too banned books were about rosa parks and martin

luther king, right. >> i got the call and they are banning them of all people. i was heartbroken my wife was pissed. the reality is that it is happening over and over for one reason only. it is about power and control. if you look historically throughout history, you can see that the first book that america band was harvey it's classic, uncle tom's cabin. slave owners did not want people to know that slavery was bad. it is a worry that they are losing power. that is what we are seeing here. >> how are you able to keep your books on your shelves? that is what happens up in pennsylvania. >> they took the books, i am rosa parks, i'm martin luther king junior, off the shelves. they banned every book that they thought was going to be bad. then a hero went by and they had not read them. all of them were about people of color, all without a white face that were banned. what we do is that we took the

lessons of rosa parks and dr. king and we fight back. i saw they banned new kids, i bought. it i'm jazz was banned, i want in bought it. by the books that are banned and make them eat it. about so many of i am rosa parks, and we bought every book on that list. there were so many copies of rosa parks bought that in the school district banned them, they are teaching the book. make them eat the bands. by the bookseller that they say you cannot have. >> the opposite effect happened. you want to ban the book, you increase the pixels, it benefits everyone, and knowledge, experience, and the authors. i want you to explain to the viewers. tell us about the book series ordinary people to changing the world. you have two new ones. i am a pay. i am dolly parton. it is another favorite.

tell us about the book series and why it is important for you to do it? >> our kids are starving for good heroes today. we are being fed garbage on instagram. i want to give my kids better heroes to look up to, those of kindness and compassion, like dolly parton. we started with a millionaire heart, rosa parks, dr. king, abraham lincoln. it is dolly parton. it is i am pay. you need to get these right. what you see is what these people stand for. dolly parton stands for the idea that if you go to her concerts there are black, white, gay, straight, rich, poor. she loves them all. there's no judgment. we need this as a culture right now. i want my kids to have this lesson. i want my daughter to have those less, my sense to have this lesson. >> my daughter's favorite is i am sonia sotomayor. she will love that one. >> for your writing gave you, you wrote a legal thriller. it was the tenth justice. it is about a law clerk that

accidentally, inadvertently leaks the opinion for a controversial scotus decision. we've got that going on with this draft dobbs decision. putting aside the seriousness of what happens, how did you know, years ago, that this was going to happen. >> this is a proof that i am a time traveler. the moment that lee cap and i got phone calls from my friends. they were like you know what just happened? i know we just happened. honestly, when i wrote this book 25 years ago, the only thing that i am thrilled that is that the reviewer who said it couldn't have been is eating his words today. the truth is, i did not think anyone's going to be surprised when they see that it is a clerk. who has access to the decisions before it happens? the clerks are there. they are 25, 26, 27 year old. who will make this mistake? they are worried right now. they are getting lawyers. they are checking cell phone records. this is exactly what happened in my book 25 years ago. i made it up. once again, nothing is stranger than the truth. >> maybe a scotus clerk read

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