part series following the fall of grace to disgraced conman. it follows the rides of his lawyer from the who's of the world of saddam hussein. and the true identity he hid behind schemes, deception, and lies. watch the third and final episode of devil's advocate on sunday at 10 pm eastern and streaming on peace clock. velshi starts now. s now. >> donald trump, the president of the united states, spurred a mob of domestic enemies of the constitution to march down the capitol and subvert american democracy. >> i documented that the crowd

turned from protesters, to rioters, two insurrectionists. >> not only did president trump refused to tell the mob to leave the capitol, he placed no call to any element of the united states government to extract that the capital be defended. >> i can just remember my breath catching in my throat for her, because what i saw was a war scene. >> tonight i say this to my republican colleagues who's are defending the indefensible. there will come a day where donald trump is gone. your dishonourable remain. >> good morning. it is saturday june 11th. i'm michael steele in for michael velshi. this morning we are bringing you a special hour on the first ever public hearing on the house select committee investigating the january 6th attack. we know more than we ever have about how the attack was planned and carried out.

house investigators made it clear this week that they believe, and intend to prove to the american people, that the intent to overthrow the government originated with one man, are twice impeached the ex president donald trump. >> on this point, there is no room for debate. those who invaded our capitol and battled law enforcement for hours were motivated by what president trump had told them, the election was stolen, and he was the rightful president. president trump summoned the mob, assembled the mob, and lets the flame of this attack. >> the panel alleges that the former president knew he lost the 2020 election, lied to supporters, and then orchestrated an attempt to coup in a desperate attempt to hold it to power. to make this point crystal clear, the committee used to testimony from some of the ex presidents closest allies, such as former attorney general bill barr and his own daughter,

ivanka. >> i repeatedly told the president on no uncertain terms that i did not see evidence of a fraud. that this would have affected the outcome of this election. a year and a half layer, i have not seen anything to change my mind on that. >> how does this affect your perspective of this election when he made that statement? >> it affected my perspective. i respect attorney general attorney general barr. i accepted what he was saying. >> the house select committee is served up two hours of red hot revelations this week and it is not finished yet. two more hearings are scheduled for next monday and wednesday. congresswoman liz cheney says that the hearings will focus specifically on his lies about the 2020 election results and how he tried to coerce the department of justice into

legitimizing his lies. just because he is no longer in office does not mean that the threat to democracy is gone. committee chairman betty thompson emphasizes how democracy is still at risk. >> our democracy remains in danger. the conspiracy to throughout the will of the people is not over. there are those in this audience who's thirst for power and have no love or respect for what makes america great. there is devotion to the constitution. allegiance to the rule of law a sheer journey to build a more perfect union. >> joining me now is a betsy. she is a national correspondent for politico and an msnbc contributor. and barbara mcquade is a professor at the university of michigan law school and a former u.s. attorney and an msnbc legal analyst. barbara, let's begin with you this morning.

the committee is presenting a lot of evidence against trump. you and i both know that this is not an easy climb. how difficult is it going to be for the panel to prove, legally, that trump conspired to defraud the country? >> michael, what we saw thursday night was incredibly compelling in terms of documenting these facts for history. a criminal case is a very different thing. proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, to a jury of 12 people, some of them maybe trump supporters unanimously. we see this all the time. here, in my home state of michigan, where there was a trial involving a plot to kidnap gretchen whitmer, compelling case, compelling evidence. the case ended in a hunger jury. if you're going after the president, you are going to want to make sure that your evidence is airtight. so far, with regard to the connection with the mob that is at the capitol, i heard reckless behavior by donald trump. i heard hints that there may

have been coordination between the mob that went down to the capitol at 10 am before donald trump went and announced that they were going to go there for noon. does this suggest that there is coordination? maybe. something more overt could be there to link that. i do think that you could prove the case without linking him to the mob. i think this is sufficient to show that he tried to coerce mike pence into overturning the election. that is enough. i think it is enough if they could prove that they could want to offer of alternate slates of electors. -- there are many paths to proving the case here. you have to be able to show the direct link with donald trump and his intent to defraud. this means knowledge that he knew that he lost the election. >> picking up on barbara's point about these links with trump, you reported this week that the head of the ex-presidencies secret service

detail testified that trump wanted to go to the capitol on january 6th. he wanted to be with the supporters as they attack. how does this a testimony factor into the committee's case against the trump. >> what it shows is that the remarks that trump made it during the rally, about going to the capitol, we're not just rhetoric. >> mark meadows wrote in his book that this is what they were. trump told him after the rally that he was only speaking more metaphorically to the capitol. he did not want to go. now we have bobby angle who is the special agent in charge of the security detail, providing testimony to the committee that contradicts that. this is after the rally at the ellipse. trump got into the enormous armored car that the president usually uses to travel around washington d.c. called the beast. these two men, we now know, had a discussion. trump indicated, he communicated that he wanted not

to go back to the white house, but to go to the capital building itself. operationally, this was his goal. the reason that trump did not go, the only reason, was that the secret service does not want to make a judgment calls for the president. they do not control his movements. they also did not control the laws of physics. one angle and other secret service agents understood in that moment was that it would have been impossible to safely drive president trump to the capitol building. part of the reason for that was that law enforcement in d.c. was already stretched thin. officers with the metropolitan police department had already told a secret service that they did not have the personnel. they did not have the capabilities to secure the short route to the capitol building, despite all of this, president trump insisted up until the last second that he wanted to go to the tax capital.

he wanted to be there. angles testimony, which was previously unreported, strengthens this fact. >> favre, betsy raises interesting questions. does the intent want to go to the capitol matter? does it also matter the testimony that we heard from his closest allies like ivanka and barr? how does this all fact when you put it all together? >> again, the hardest element to prove in any kind of white-collar case like this is criminal intent. the actions themselves, in certain contexts are not illegal. it is not legal to go to the capitol and do certain things. it is not illegal unless you are doing it for the purpose of corruption and overturning a legitimate election. if you is going to the capitol and egging on the followers there. it could've been an important fact. i think betsy raises an important fact.

i think it shows him that he meant it that he wanted the march in the capital. when you link this up with knowing that the proud boys and the oath keepers are there to beat down the doors, and that when the mob arrives, the doors are open and they can walk inside, it increases the likelihood of a physical disruption of that vote count. if his goal was to stop the certification, i think this does change the dynamics here and lynn kim up to this criminally. i think the question you asked with regard to the testimony, the video testimony of william barr and ivanka trump, that trump knew he had lost the election. bs -- ivanka said that he's an incredible person and that he is on his side. when he told his, that this is what any wet rational person would do. at some point, we might never figure out that he admitted outlawed that he lost and try to lie about it and say that he won. i think the case could be built circumstantially. there is a jury instruction that they typically get in these kinds of cases that is

called willful blindness. instruction says, a person cannot ignore a high probability that a fact is true by turning a blind eye to it. just that he wishes that it was not true, it does not make it so. >> thank you very much for joining me. joining me now is democratic congresswoman and custer from new hampshire. she was up in the gallery when they breached the capitol on january 6th. thank you so much. you attended the first hearing. would argue or thoughts and reflection on both the hearings and january 6th and the work that has been done so far? >> my predominant thought is relief. i am so grateful to our colleagues for bringing these facts to the american people. we waited 18 months to get more of the story, more of the truth, out to the american people. my colleagues on the committee, republicans and democrats, have worked so hard.

they went through dozens of hours of tape, testimony, and video, to get to the truth of this unlawful insurrection, the attempted coup on january 6th and the attack on our capitol. >> we also heard interesting testimony from a joint chief of staff mark milley about pence's calls to him during the capitol attack. let's take a listen. >> two or three calls with vice president pence. he was animated. he issued a very explicit, very direct, unambiguous orders. there was no question about that. i can get you the exact quotes from some of our records are somewhere. he was very animated, very direct, very firm. and he said, secretary miller, get the military. out get the guard down. put down the situation, it's federal. >> what do you make of general

milley taking direction from a vice president pence in the absence of trump providing any direction at this moment? >> that was an extraordinary moment, michael. that was the history making moment, that evening in the hearing room for us. what we had not understood, we were evacuated. it was a dramatic evacuation. we will hear more. there is more video to come on what happened on the house side. i was one of the members that was pinned down in the gallery. it was moments, not minutes, moments between when we evacuated and when the insurrectionists came into the hallway that we just crossed. we were taken to an undisclosed location. we are 200 members of congress. we were held for five hours. we thought the national guard had come in and that they had taken control of the capitol, and that they were just

cleaning things up so that we could go back into the chamber to complete the certification. to hear and see the videotape, i was in the safe room for about 3 pm, and shortly after that, until 4:30, 5:00. this carnage and chaos was still going on. then to hear that the president of the united states was taking no steps, not a single phone call, to protect the capitol from a domestic terrorist attacks, and to hear that it was vice president pence who had the authority and the majority to make that decision, his life was also in danger, as well as ours. that was an extraordinary moment. congresswoman cheney also had a direct message to her fellow republicans. let's take a listen to what she said. in our country we don't swear in oath to an individual or a political party. we take our oath to defend the

united states constitution. that oath must mean something. tonight i say this to my republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible. there will come a day when donald trump is gone but you are dishonored -- >> i know this is pretty much a pipe dream at this point but i will ask it anyway. do you think this is going to break through? to those colleagues of yours and republican voters at large? >> i think michael, you know this well. i grew up in a republican family and i think there are republicans that will be shocked that the president of the united states did not defend our capitol, did not defend congress and that he intentionally, as i use this term, he intentionally tried to interfere to overturn the election. some of this happened in plain sight but i think what the

committee, what is so important is to get the details, to get that video, to get the testimony, sworn testimony under oath from bill barr and others. to put this piece by piece together and to understand that he is a dishonor to american history, he is a dishonor to our democracy and to solidify that for history and certainly for their decision-making going forward. -- what they want our democracy to be. i know that i have colleagues that have been troubled for a long time about his behavior. some of them are feeling that they need to follow the will of the party. but i think her words were very stirring. to have the police who saved our lives sitting right behind the witnesses, we are extraordinarily grateful to

those police and one of the images that is indelible in my mind as is my republican colleagues is rushing to the doors, police been there with guns drawn, moving the furniture to protect all of our colleagues. it wasn't a question of hours, our lives were all in danger. i think as this comes forward, as people see this evidence and as i say, as they see how close we came, there will be video evidence coming that again seconds, not minutes, gets saved our lives and saved our democracy that day. when i heard particularly from the police testimony, every moment that they pushed back on those bicycle barriers, that they put themselves in harm's way, repeatedly injured, referred to the thin blue line,

every moment saved our lives and saved our democracy. >> democratic representative, thank you so much. we appreciate you for that. there is still plenty more to get into on this special edition. after the break, i will be joined by an expert on protecting democracy. she was interviewed several times by committee and says the former presidents autocratic ways are ingrained in the fabric of the present day republican party. a threat addressed by the chair of the committee. >> a sprawling, multi step conspiracy aimed at overturning the presidential election, aimed at throwing out the votes of millions of americans, your votes, your voice, and our democracy. replacing the will of american people with the will to remain in power after his turn ended. donald trump was at the center

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to jurassic-themed at-home activities. join over 3 million members and start enjoying rewards like these, and so much more in the xfinity app! and don't miss jurassic world:dominion january 6th and the lies that in theaters june 10th. it affected have put two and half centuries of constitutional democracy at risk. the world is watching what we do here. america has long been expected to be a shining city on the hill, a beacon of hope and freedom, a model for others when we are at our best. how can we play that role when our house is in such disorder? >> let's be clear, the attack on january 6th was a direct attack on american democracy

and the threat did not and on the steps of the capitol that day. one of the goals of the house committee's investigation is to try to block current and future threats to democracy. i'm joined by someone who has been interviewed by the house committee several times, she is an expert on protecting democracy. ruth is a professor of history at nyu and the author of this newsletter following threats to democracy. ruth, welcome. do you feel the house committee is getting the big picture on the broader threats to democracy that rose before, after, and during january 6th? >> yes, i was really impressed by not only the integrity of the investigators who spoke to me several times but of the big picture and what it means to have a coup against our democracy. how this could come to pass and

where can take us in the future. i was extremely reassured which is why i went public with the fact that i was interviewed. it's not surprising that they would talk to someone like myself who knows about cues and other kinds of authoritarian authoritarian takeovers and how crews are very fast, and violent. they are the product of months and years of planning. that's what happened in this case. >> you wrote a column on thursday saying quote, whether or not trump runs for office in 2024, he time tested methods of autocracy, violence, and attempts to politicize military are now part of the way the gop conducts its business as a far-right party. after january 6th nothing is off the table. extremists might well view the coup as a trial run.

what do our leaders have to do to ensure the protection of our democracy in this investigation and is it enough. what can we be doing? >> first of all, the existence of these hearings and this investigation is very good for morale, there's been a lot of coverage of how fox news isn't airing it but even if trump supporters don't watch it, the fact that we can have these investigations and this footage can be shown, these relevant relations can be shown. 20 million americans watched this, that is very, very important, it testifies to the existence of our democracy, to the rule of law and the fact that the political class, it is a bipartisan investigation, is actually doing something and prosecution is very, very important. investigation, prosecution is how you shut down autocrats.

it's how you show that the state has the ability to impose the rule of law and it is about accountability. authoritarian-ism is about escaping accountability, it's about getting away with it. these hearings and this investigation are part of a process that shows that there is evidence that you can't always get away with it, you can always get with you want. >> a lot on the right want to compare this to a riot. like they saw during the summer of 2021, blm. but you are adamant that calling this a coup is important, why? >> the coup is very important because this was an orchestrated attempt, it was technically a self coup when someone who is in power tries to stay there. it was one climactic point in a process that started in

november 2020. it was prepared before by trump's outreach for four years to extremists, he cultivated those extremists. we will have more evidence during these hearings about the collaboration between white house and extremists. there was a multi-pronged attempt, this is where the coup is a process, january 6th was the violent part where he tried to have martial law through michael flynn, general flynn, that was his role. he tried to get the military intervention, he tried electoral manipulation. none of that worked and then he went for violence, rally in violence. the only proper term for all of this is a coup because it is a process that ended in a violent shock event which is what a coup is. that's why we heard the testimony of congress women, they escaped harm by seconds. that's what it coup is. >> and why you professor of

history ruth. thank you very much. there was no election fraud, we knew that. trump allies knew that and all trump himself knew it, even as he was spreading the big lie. the big lies, the big lie still spreading folks. >> in that context i made it clear that i did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting the stuff out which i told the president was wrong. >> what is your perspective about the election in terms of that statement? >> that is exactly my perspective, i respect the attorney general so i accepted what he was saying. >> i was in the oval office and at some point in the conversation he was the lead data portion brought on and i

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>> the rioters chants to hang mike pence, the president responded with the sentiment, quote, maybe the supporters have the right idea. mike pence, quote, deserves it. >> this key finding from the committee as a new layer to the recent new york times reporting. the times reported, at last week, the days before the insurrection, pence's chief of staff called the head of secret service to warn of a potential security risk because the president was planning to turn on the second in command. he did. on january 6th, as the the rioters were storming the capitol, donald trump tweeted, in part, mike pence did not have the courage to do which should have been done to protect our country. >> pence did not intervene in the certification of the electoral college count and they responded by saying hang mike pence with a gallows

completed with the news at the capitol that day. now, we learn more about what pence did as his life was being threatened. as donald trump was reportedly watching on tv the hearing revealed that although it was trump's duty to call off the violent mob of his supporters and restore peace and order, it was actually pence who was issuing orders to the military. joining me now is olivia troye, the former homeland security and counterterror advisor to vice president pence. is she is now the chief political show just for the new america movement. welcome, olivia. quick question for you off of the top, what do you think that pence had in mind? how do you think he feels? what is his sense that donald trump was actually trying to get him hung and not protecting him? >> michael, the crazy thing about all of this is that, i think this morning that mike pence knew what he was going into. i think he is well aware of who

donald trump is and what he is capable of. anyone who walked into that white house put americans risk -- at risk at times and got to intervene at something that would've been a reckless action from the president. mike pence knew what the stakes were. he knew that he was about to cross donald trump in the worst way. he knew, i am positive, he knew that it was going to be a risk to his own life, a risk to his family, and a risk to those of the capital. with the tweet that you talked about, when i saw that morning, i had to say that that knew that we escalated the threat more, given the lead we had seen up to it. it is still shocking to see today. >> you would think that the ex presidents duty would be to call off the violent mob of his supporters and restore peace and order. congresswoman liz cheney reveal that it was actually pence who was issuing orders to the military to send in the

national guard and clear out the rioters. let's take a listen. >> not only did president trump refused to tell the mob to leave the capitol, he placed no called the element of the united states government to obstruct at the capitol be defended. he did not call his secretary of defense on january 6th. he did not talk to the attorney general. he did not talk to the department of homeland security. president trump gave no order to deploy the national guard that they. he made no effort to work with the department of justice to coordinate and deploy law enforcement assets. vice president pence did each of those things. >> olivia, what can you tell us about the vice presidents actions that day? >> the president exhibited a dereliction of duty that day. what mike pence did was a step in. he knew what was at stake.

i'm sure he was thinking about the lives that were at risk. we're thinking that mike pence is a big supporter of law enforcement. i'm sure he was aware that there was a battle going outside and that every minute and every second mattered. i think he knew that no one was going to call for help. he knew where the network was. he knew that he was not going to take any actions that were going to make a difference. it is about self preservation of power for trump, for himself. he knew that he had to do the right thing and he called for help. >> how does all of this if it in to the earlier narrative around the 25th amendment, when you are invoking the 25th amendment and the discussions that were going on early on, and all of this environment. how does this go on with invoking the amendment? >> all of these people knew that the donald -- the danger that donald trump was. i publicly called for the 25th

amendment knowing that every moment that the person sat in the oval office was an opportunity for him to inflict danger upon our country. he was a national security risk. we saw it play out in front of everyone's eyes on january six. that was according to the attack on our democracy and the leaders of our country. i wish that there had been more of an effort across the cabinets remove him from office, and perhaps, we would not have been in that situation and we are not in the situation that we are in today. i'm not convinced of that. this movement, that trump has a radicalized and vocalized across our country is still out there. there are people who talked about this. this type of dynamic in these threats and factors, they say today. i do not consider this a moment that happened in the past. i consider this an ongoing threat to our democracy, that is happening at this very

moment still today. >> olivia, troy, still a pleasure. thank you for joining us. let's bring in the senior columnist for bloomberg opinion and the political analyst of msnbc and the author of trump nation, the art of being donald. welcome. it is good to see you, tim. an opinion piece published on blue bird, you wrote, it was an attempted coup when the bipartisan house committee investigating the january 6th attacks take the proceedings to primetime tv tonight. it needs to hammer home the essential truth. >> do you think the committee succeeded in doing this? >> i think that they succeeded with flying colors. i hope that they continue on this path, michael. it is really important that their work continues to define what happened, and makes it clear for the american people. a lot of the facts that they are presenting now, the themes are not viewed. i think we have known this for sometime now. this was an attempted coup,.

the law was broken and there is a conspiracy at the top of our government. i think they are doing now is filling a lot of blanks with importing detail. they are presenting narratives that are digestible to the american voters. more importantly, i think, because i do not know how many voters minds will sway. it obviously matters for the historical record. it also matters for the prostitution. i don't see how they could sit at the just justice department and look at the fac and not see that there are prosecutable crimes. trump has spent his entire business career and political career spending other people towards his own goals. they are pretty simple. you can understand most of what he does as self aggrandizement or self preservation. conflicts never arrived from his motives. he is patient, ignorant, and

dangerous. this relies on whether the people around them have courage and integrity. this has been lacking everywhere else in the trump era. >> they've shown that there is a rift between trump and mike pence. how much this affect each of them? >> sometime ago, penn state doubt that he was on a better path morally and politically to carve a different identity for himself and his trajectory. it was inevitable that trump would launch back at him. you saw this yesterday when he went after bill barr and tried to pull the rug out from beneath his own daughter. he does not want people around him telling him that he is wrong or disagreeing with him. the reality now that we are seeing from the committee is that the story that he was told was that the ride was something

that happened at the capitol and it has been malarkey for a long time. now we know that it was just one episode in an orchestrated conspiracy. the other story that he and his allies have told is that, even if this was something more than that, the institutions told their ground and he was moved out of office. that was not tenable either. what they did was soften of our institutions. i think that republicans who care about institutions, like mike pence, like liz cheney, have to continue to push back regardless of what tim trump does o'brien. thank you very much. some of the most revealing moments from the historic start of the public hearings roe stores came from those tasked with defending americas capital against the insurrections. with >> i was called a lot of things on january 6th, 2021 and the days thereafter. i was called nancy pelosi's dog, incompetent, i was called a

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that could've been used to try to undermine biden's legitimacy. in december of 2020 there was a effort to in seven different states to cast their electoral college votes for trump, even though trump lost the vote in the states. they knew it was shady to. the washington post reported this week that a trump campaign staffer instructed a group of republicans to cast their electoral votes in quote complete secrecy. michigan was one of the seven states with fake electors. it also has been wrapped up in other controversies as well like a breach of the voting system by republican officials and a plot to kidnap the governor. it's not that surprising that there are at least five people connected to the january six insurrection running for office in michigan. like republican candidate ryan kelly who was at the capitol on january 6th. he was arrested by the fbi earlier this week for his

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to oversee and minister and secure an election. how every step of the way, for months leading up to the election, there was -- and this was after the fact as well. i continued to answer questions of the facts of what happened in michigan and why that metastasized into live. it propelled people to act, threaten legal officers in our state, including myself and others. they could potentially lead people to the violence that we saw and at the capitol that day. >> madam secretary you have your hands full as you are at the epicenter of many political stories and controversy how big of a problem are you facing in these upcoming cycles, not with just election deniers and accused insurrectionist on the ballot, but trying to infiltrate the electoral system

itself? >> it is illegal in michigan to have access to our voting machines for third parties. it has not stopped many from pressuring them to gain access to local machines. this is to provide more fuel to the misinformation and the deception that has been really affecting our projects for the last several years. we see this with candidates living -- running for governor, state attorney general, who have not and will not and refused to accept the will of the people from 2020 which is clear and unequivocal. it is unconscionable, in my view, that anyone would seek public office in a moment like this, without being willing to tell the american people the truth about our democracy and who won in 2020. >> to that point, you have been extremely outspoken about your need for trust in a fair elections as well as accountability. what is your message to the fake trump electors who have tried to rig the election in

seven states, including yours? >> i think that anyone who was involved in trying to overturn the will of the people in 2020 needs to be held accountable. the reason why is not just about seeking the truth about the past and what led us to this moment, but preventing it from happening again in the future. this is what is really scary about this moment, is that in january of 2021, we only continue to see the conspiracies grow and the coordinated effort to undo democracy increase in multiple ways. to anyone who was involved in 2020 in trying to lie to our u.s. government to overturn election results, there needs to be consequences and accountability with the aim to prevent it from happening again. >> jocelyn benson, thank you once again, we appreciate you. do not go anywhere. after a quick break, another hour of velshi. we are going to hear the latest fallout from the uvalde mass school shooting, the war in ukraine, and, the latest on the

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