where the first march for our lives event was in 2018. it was organized by the survivors of the marjory stoneman douglas high school. as you mentioned, they're expecting and hoping for tens of thousands of people today. of course, it is raining a little bit. it had a little bit of an impact on the turnout today. it is starting to fill up today. it is -- we are beginning to hear from speaker's the next few hours. protesters are telling me that they are looking for the things that we've been looking at talking for the past week. universal background checks, raising the minimum age from 18 to 21. you will see people out here all day with signs that say just that. your kid could be next is one of the scientists -- i saw this morning. he was wearing a shirt with red paint all over. it you are fired up. i want to introduce you to a survivor of marjory stoneman douglas high school. this is sam. you probably remember after watching at home. sam and i met in the days after the parkland shooting. her and her classrooms classmates who survived. she was in a classroom where she lost multiple friends and

classmates. sam was part of the rally back in 2018. sam, i wonder, what is like for you to be back here today. in 2018 you are on the stage. you are here today, four years later, what does that mean to you? >> is little bittersweet knowing that the reason we are here today is because there's more bodies that have been lowered into the ground. the rate of gun violence is climbing, raided the homicide, a shooting, mass shootings in, it is only been increasing. we are here to emphasize the importance of a common sense legislation. tell the people in congress and senate that we need these things passed in order to reduce the amount of bodies that we are losing every single year to everyday gun violence. >> sam, i wonder what it is like going through what you went through, being in those classrooms on february 14th 2018, but it's like when you wake up to what happened in uvalde? >> it is traumatizing. it is triggering, every single time. a conversation of gun violence is personal to me. i was shot with an ar-15 when i was 18 years old. i know that there are people

across the nation every day dying due to the impacts of gun violence, it makes me so disgusted and angry that even four years later and probably four years from now we will be fighting for the same cause. that just means that we have to keep showing up. we need to keep supporting an advocating. >> we were talking a few moments ago and you mentioned about the nightmares that she will wake up with after something like that. not only having been in that classroom but having suffered from a gunshot wound. what has your recovery been like over the last two years? >> i had multiple surgeries on my legs. i had facial surgery to reconstruct the scars. i do not have the same stamina in my legs. i cannot walk or move as i used to. i do have the potential for medical issues in the future that i will have to supervise for the rest of my life, on top of the fact that i have ptsd, depression, anxiety, these are all things that i have to

suffer with. when these mass shootings or shootings happen in general, my nightmares and flashbacks come at full force in a way that i would never want to wish on anyone. that is why we have to understand the severity of gun violence that is a ripple effect. one instance of gun violence affects so many people. that is why we need to keep fighting. >> it is also worth a reminder that this whole movement as you are then was started by high school students. we are standing in front of something that is very meaningful to you. protesters themselves brought these photos of people who have died from gun violence at schools since the 60s, right here. this is your friend, nicholas? >> this is nick torah. he was a friend of mine in high school. i known him since a freshman year. he was shot and killed right next to me in my classroom, instantly. he was shot and killed with the bullet. he had so much potential as a young man. he was going to be in the olympics. he was a phenomenal academic, a

phenomenal swimmer in. these are the lives that we are whipping away from people every single day. this entire gate is full of people. >> it is. thank you so much for sharing that with us. it is about these faces that you see along here. alex, we will be back with you in the next hour. >> i look forward to that. it tells sam how much i'm admire her strength and perseverance. she is a rock star. thank you so much, savannah, we will see you next hour. let's go to msnbc stephanie stanton in parkland, florida. parkland was the scene of the marjory stoneman douglas high school mass shooting. how is this latest tragedy in uvalde reignited the movement there? >> good afternoon, alex. it has reignited this movement. earlier today, the event just wrapped up a short time ago. we heard stories similar to those we heard from sam. people telling the same story about the devastation and the

pain that the shooting here in 2018 has cost them. protesters wrapped up the event with transit through the park. they are asking and calling upon congress to act to stricter gun control laws. we saw several survivors in attendance here today. we also saw loved ones of victims. they are calling for, among other things, as we know, universal background checks, raising the age from 18 to 21 for certain weapons, stricter red flag laws. one of those in attendance today was a deputy hixon. she is the wife of chris hixon. he was the athletic director who tried to stop the gunman but tragically lost his life in the shooting in parkland. take a listen to what she had to say. >> just seeing it continue to happen makes you so frustrated. what else do we need to do? why does this keep happening?

we come back to the answer that people can get those weapons of war so easily that they feel like they can. it keeps happening because we are allowing them to do it. it is frustrating. >> in 2018 florida lawmakers took action in response to the parkland shooting in regard to gun laws. they raise the age to buy guns from 18 to 21. they enacted red flag laws and put millions of dollars in mental health and increasing school security. a lot of people and lawmakers are saying, if florida can do this, lawmakers in d.c. should be able to do the same thing, alex. >> you would think. stephanie stanton, thank you for that. we are tracking mass shootings across america. now numbering 254 this year, 22 so far this month. it is only the 11th day of june.

we are now claiming 36 lives and for the year 296 people have lost their lives in mass shootings. we will keep monitoring these developing rallies over the next two hours for you. let's go to capitol hill where we are learning more information about who will be testifying in the upcoming january six committee hearings next week. this is as a reaction to the first hearing is pouring in from both sides of the aisle. let's go to allie roth who is on the hill for us. ali, lots to talk about. what are you hearing? >> as the committee prepares for a second hearing scheduled for monday morning, both sides of the aisle are debating the significance of what the panel revealed this week. the committee is revealing that this is just the top layer of the year long investigation into what happened here over here and a half ago. >> the partisan divide over who is to blame on the for the deadly attack on the capitol reignited. >> we have convened based on what you have said last night,

that donald trump is the reason the january 6th occurred. >> this committee is trying to prosecute donald trump for crimes that he did not commit. >> the january six committee's explosive primetime hearing. >> it was carnage, it was chaos. i can't even describe. >> watch live by 20 million people on thursday across every major tv network except for fox news channel. it kicked it to sister network fox business instead it is very important to get the context and to really see what happened. [inaudible] >> the panel used never before seen video and testimony from those in his inner circle to lay out what he says was a conspiracy fueled by false claims of election fraud to overturn the results. >> i made it clear that i did not agree with the idea of saying that the election was

stolen and put this stuff out which i told the president was a bs. >> it affected my probe perspective. i respect barr. i accepted what he was saying the former president fired back in social media posts on friday. he attacked the former general as a coward and claimed that his daughter had checked out on following the election results. >> president biden was weighing in on friday allowing no want to place a dagger at the throat of our democracy. >> a democracy that many who relived the attack inside the hearing room says is worth defending. >> who would have thought that officers getting their ass whooped was part of a nation those among the ones that scheduled to testify in hearings that says that former political -- who came under fire from the top brass, the former president as well as his supporters,

after defending the network's decision to be the first network to call the state of arizona for joe biden during the 2020 election. he's expected to talk about how trump's false claims of election fraud were amplified in the media. we also expect to hear from former acting attorney general, jeffrey rosen, who will shed a light on trump's conspiracy effort on the justice department after the election, alex. >> ali rough on the hill, thank you for that. >> let's bring in peter baker and political analyst and chief white house correspondent for the new york times. let me ask you. what day is it? you are a sunday guy for me. i am like, is it sunday? we do not go through the whole weekend. i am just saying. i am confused. i'm glad you're here. >> too much to wait. too much to wait. >> either that or you are standing up for tomorrow. i don't know. let's go with this. you wrote two excellent new articles about the hearings. before we get to that, give me a big picture perspective on the historic nature of these

hearings. now that we have seen the first, do we think that we are going to have immediate impact or do you think the impact could be felt long term? >> there were three audiences for these hearings. one is the american public to see people who have not focused on january 6th and see if they would have their minds changed by the preponderance of the evidence that is put out there. this may not be the case. the country is polarized. they are locked into their partisan and ideological points of view. people didn't seem open to change their mind. fox is not covering it and a lot of people who still believe in president trump's version of the offense will not see these hearings. the second audiences mary garland, the attorney general. are they intentionally laying out a roadmap for the general to prosecute the former president. this is what liz cheney was saying on thursday night. here is evidence of a crime committed by the former president saying that the attorney general should be

thinking about prosecuting. the third audience is history. even though if it does not change minds in this particular moment, even if president trump never sees the courtroom. what's the january six committee is doing is bearing witness. they are collecting the information in a powerful and comprehensive way. it has not been done until now. they want to know what happened here and to know why it is important. >> let me ask you it is a personal question. as you watch this and you see the power of what was on display thursday night, do you think that it is possible that those republicans who mentioned that are loyal to donald trump, were they to watch it, would it sent them to think everything i believe may not be true? >> maybe. one thing that was horrible but the presentation was using president trump's own people to testify, basically made clear that they have been told, again and again, that he had not won the election it was not stolen.

when he went out there and said it otherwise, he was acting against the advice of those like bill barr who was hardly a trump and hardly a liberal democrat. in fact, his own daughter's shown is saying, and you showed, or that the election was not stolen. they do not believe that the election was stolen. the president went out there and kept saying that it was. is that debate in mind? i do not know. what you heard from some parties is that it might have been powerful. they do not add anything into what we knew about president trump doing and whether there was any connections about whether the people stormed the capitol. there is no evidence that have been presented so far that they had direct communication with these people in a way that suggest coordination or direction in the sense. maybe you will come in future hearings. republicans will look for that and say that the democrats here and the liz cheney will stretch too far to say that -- >> i want to talk about the

appearance on msnbc, the chair of the january 6th committee, discussing the possibility of donald trump testifying before the committee. let's take a listen to that. >> we welcome the former president. he will have to come under oath. he is a citizen. if he thinks that he can come to our committee under oath temperature himself i would suggest he does not come. >> with donald trump being who he is, would he actually entertain the thought of testifying for an opportunity to speak on a big stage? would he definitely perjury himself if he did? >> i think he would entertain any stage. he certainly enjoys the showman quality of politics. he talked about appearing in the senate for his two impeachment trials, and was ultimately talked out of it by lawyers. they thought it was a bad idea i don't imagine any lawyers saying it was a good idea to come on this one.

there is no panel who is an ally. during the house hearings for impeachment, he had kim jordan and others who were on his side who would ask him sympathetic questions and attack the case against him. there is no one on this nine member panel who is sympathetic to this former president. he will be all by himself. i cannot imagine him going. as the aforementioned ivanka trump, jared kushner soundbites we have. the sleeve that fruity right now. >> are you aware of the instances where pat supplement threatened to resign? >> like i said, my interest at that time was trying to get as -- i know that he was always, him and his team were always, we're going to resign, we're not gonna be here if this, happens if that happens, i kind of took it up to be just wanting to be honest with you. >> how that affects your perspective about the election, when eternity barr made that statement? >> it affected my state my

perspective. i respect attorney general barr. i exactly what he was saying. >> family members, senior advisers those two to donald trump, how important and powerful was the testimony from the two of them. and are you think we're gonna hear more from them? >> it is important because we have not heard them discuss this publicly in the 17 month since the january 6th attack. -- our reporting shows -- they basically didn't bother to take on that. five advocating that fight. leaving the field in effect -- i think that is an important explanation. how did it happen, when so many people around the president

didn't believe the election was stolen, yet he persecuted anyway. because people who didn't believe that election was stolen, -- had unfettered access and access to the president without contradictory voices -- an excellent article detailing how jared kushner and ivanka trump wash their hands of donald trump before january the 6th. -- how far are they running from trump these days? >> obviously, it's family. families always gonna be there. with jared kushner tells people, i'm gonna be living with donald trump for the rest of my life. he's the grandfather of my children. they are not breaking with them in a public way, but they did testify, when others did not, and they did say these things to the committee, and possibly more things that we'll hear in the weeks to come. that's an important element of the story, the members of his own family disagreed on this. donald trump jr. was urging the

president to fight -- while his eldest daughter and son-in-law which had been such an important part of his white house, didn't believe and they chose to move, and find the house in miami and begin planning their next lives. >> okay. peter baker. as always it's good to see. you thank you very much. there's plenty of digging to everyone from that hearing. next, look at the actions of the proud boys and the oath keepers on january the 6th. -- and what some of them that said about donald trunk. -- if there's not enough disturbing news, then there's this. breaking news on the new record that is the all-time high at the gas pumps. the average today hitting a whopping $5 a gallon, creating more financial peril for americans and a helpless feeling. >> i didn't sign up for. this who voted for? this nobody. nobody else for this.

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proud boys, boogaloo boys, oath keepers, and those far-right groups. -- this person wanting for placing pipe bombs outside the rnc and dnc headquarters. many stormed the capitol insist, you know, we have an invitation. >> we were invited by the president of the united states. >> what really made me want to come was the fact that i had supported trump all the time, i did believe that the election was being stolen, and trump asked us to come. >> he personally asked us to come to d.c. that day. i thought, for everything he's done for, us if this is the only thing he's gonna ask of me, i'll do it. >> i know why i was there? because he called me there and he laid out what is happening in our government. he laid it out.

>> i remember donald trump telling me to be there. to support i need your support. >> you've mentioned the president asked you. do you remember a specific message? >> basically, yes he asked us for us to come to d.c., and think big things are gonna happen. >> he said i have something very important to say on january 6th, or something like that. >> joining me now is frank -- former fbi assistant director for counter intelligence. frank, always welcome, good to see you. there are so many people on the video, but some of the most serious offenders are yet to be arrested. >> we are hearing that there is between 200 and 300 additional suspects out there. that would put, if they're all apprehended, that would put the numbers well over 1000 americans, many of whom by the way have backgrounds and long for spent a military,

participating in the breach of the capitol. in some way shape or form. as you, mentioned there, one of the most outstanding wanted person right now is the unidentified subject that is placed responsible for placing the pipe bombs near the rnc and dnc headquarters. >> when you listen to those soundbites. those guys thinking that they have that invitation from the president of the united states to come to the capitol. trump asked us to come. he called me there. come to d.c.. big things are gonna happen. that's sort of thing. what's your reaction to that? >> as you, know this featured prominently in the first night of the committee's hearings and for a reason. there's gonna be more of the same continuing. which is there is this call and response relationship between the former president and extremists who want to do something on his behalf. i think this is gonna go a step

further. they live the groundwork on the first night of the hearings, to feature proud boys, oath keepers, and where they seem headed with this alex's, they're going to assert that trump knew more, should've no more, did no more, or those around him knew the bought the plan for violence. -- said, look, the president was at that podium. he had already been told by secret service that he was in no way going to walk down the street to go to the capitol, yet he implored the crowd, i'm going with you. we are going to walk down to the capitol. why is that so important? because i think the chairman is implying that we are about to see a connection between the crowd being necessary for the domestic extremist to get in and do what they need to do. without the crowd, you don't get the breaching happening. capitol police can fend off the crowd, they can fend off a

handful of extremists, but when you match that crowd, massive, to plan strategized extremists, and you call them out in concert with each other, you get the reach that happened. i think that's where the committee is heading with. this >> in fact, we heard the president said flat out months before january six, to the broad boy specifically, stand back, stand by. we heard all that. he was communicating with them at least that way. we know. that everyone heard that one. so the committee was outlining as well that the ways the members of the proud boys and the oath keepers, that they got involved before january six. listen to what they outlined on thursday. >> but go as for the oath keepers to club culture duties they could keep the president in power, although president has just lost the election. the committee learned that the oath keepers set it up quick reaction forces outside of the cities in virginia, where they stored arms. but goals of these was to be on

standby just in case of president trump's trumpist in invoke the insurrection. at i'm >> -- declined to answer >> that -- >> in footage obtained by the committee, we learned that on the night of january 5th, enrique tarrio and stewart rhodes met in a parking garage in washington, d.c.. >> so here's the question. have these arrests disruptive east far-right groups in any way at all? with threats to this still pose? >> there is some good news. here they're charged with one of the most serious crimes you can be charged with federally, which is seditious conspiracy, -- the good news is we do see in their chat rooms, where they do hang out online, they are very concerned about being arrested. they really don't want any part of that. so apparently, this is having a chilling effect. the threat is still very, very much out there. there are still people talking

about violence. there are still people believing the lives of election was stolen. the threat remains. what remains to be seen is whether or not they want to join a clear group that's being looked at by fei, or whether they want to act independently and not associated with the group that is just got too much scrutiny. i'll close with this. -- people around trump, close to trump, we know have connections to proud boys, oath keepers, and in fact we know that in that so-called command post, in the hotel room outside of d.c., stewart rhodes himself was on the phone that day talking to someone very close to trump, saying, we're ready were close by. i interviewed stewart rhodes wife, i asked her in her gut, who does she think stewart rhodes was in communication with on january 6th? her gut tells her it was roger stone. i think we're gonna see more of a connection between extremist

groups and people close to trump. >> absolutely remarkable. i have to say, we have yet to verify the fact that he was indeed hanging out of talking with roger stone. but, to your point, we've taken in that respect. thank you so much. meantime at this hour, thousands gathered in d.c. in parts across the nation in a march for our lives. but it's something that happened on capitol hill this week that is grabbing attention in the fight of forgotten against gun violence. -- first as another wrinkle to the economic story today. there are new numbers to share, like how much more are you paying each month because of inflation? that number next. n? that number next panera chefs have crafted a masterpiece... succulent, seared chicken...

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year this town. prices are higher in some parts of the country. msnbc blaine alexander is joining us about how inflation is affecting consumers. this is not good. the question, blaine, is how much worse is it going to get? >> you know what, you are absolutely right, alex. everyone has been watching so closely, the number on those billboards when you advertise gas prices. you watch them tick up and up. the $5 threshold is so many people were hoping we would not reach. numbers from aaa or are showing that 75% of americans are showing that the five dollar threshold is when they will change spending habits. we hit the threshold. now experts say that there is no relief in sight. >> it is the news that drivers nationwide have been driving. the average price for a gallon of gas has now hit $5 according to aaa. is the most expensive in

history. >> it is totally insane. >> i was dreading coming to the gas station. i know it is going to be $100 with a pump. >> stock markets down on the news that inflation is up. 8.6% year over year. it is worse than the previous month, now hitting the highest levels in 40 years. >> i think it is really strange for people. >> americans are feeling the squeeze at every turn. the cost of food is up 10%, that includes everyday grocery items like dairy, meat, and fruits. energy, it is up 50%. the price of housing and cars is also on the rise. items that typically tend to remain safe stable. the difference is striking. economists say that compared to last year, the average american family is paying $460 more per month for goods and services. >> how much of an impact does this have on the average family? >> oh, i think it is a very significant impact. it is a question of how you make a budgets stretch. after a point, how do you make

plans? >> for president biden, it is costing political capital. >> i understand that americans are anxious. they are anxious for good reason. >> speaking of los angeles, that the president called fighting inflation a top priority. the blame, he says, lies largely with the russian war in ukraine. >> today's inflation report confirms what america already knows, putin's price hike is hitting america hard. >> all of it is policing growing pressure on the federal reserve set to meet next week to discuss how much they will raise interest rates. experts worry that the fix is coming too late. >> this is the first time in decades that we find the feds chasing inflation as opposed to putting it out preemptively. this could make for difficult times ahead. >> $460 more per month for the average family, alex. it is a striking number when you compare this year to last year. it is something that a lot of people are feeling. in addition to those numbers, there's one other number to watch. that is consumer confidence.

in fact, a new study shows that it is down 40% from last year. this is the number that shows how americans feel about the economy in general. it is not very good. it also is used as a barometer to say what spending patterns look like and what this means for the economy going forward, alex. >> listening to those interviews, insane, dread, strangling, those are the words used how motorists feel going to get station. is there any room for patience here or are folks completely fed up with this? >> well, you know, the timing of it is terrible. it we are at the beginning of summer. a lot of people are preparing to take summer vacations, summer trips. now when you look at the alternative, airfare is also higher. this is another thing that is hit hard by inflation. when you combine the timing of this, but also look at the fact that after two years of very strong lockdowns, a lot of people, if they're able to, are still going on those trips. experts say, now they are

dipping into savings and they are losing credit cards. it is another shift when it comes to spending habits. >> oh please, i was watching tom costello on nightly news saying 38% in our airfare. i was like, given which i, fly tom, tell me about it. blayne, from atlanta, thanks my friend. coming up is a call to change. we are going to hear from a survivor from the parkland school shooting about what's good accomplish coming up next. ish coming up next mamá, growing up... you were so good to me. you worked hard to save for my future. so now... i want to thank you. i started investing with vanguard to help take care of you, like you took care of me. te quiero, mamá. only at vanguard you're more than just an investor you're an owner. helping you take care of the ones you love. that's the value of ownership.

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that is fuchsia james in the orange and mayor adams is to the side of her. let's go to breonna jackson who is joining us from the rally and march in washington, d.c.. describe the atmosphere to us there. >> hi, alex. we are at this event in washington, d.c.. it is expected to be the largest of the events that is happening across the country. we have talked to several people who have come out to today's events. we have heard from people from buffalo, virginia beach, areas that have been affected by gun violence in the past several years. all of them are saying the same thing. they are saying that this is a time that needs to change. this is the time to change. this is why they came out here today. they are all demanding that congress do something. the speaker biden just said enough is enough. this is what we continue to hear from speakers on the podium as well as rally goers, earlier today we were able to speak with one of the

organizers who is a survivor of the shooting in parkland several years ago. it was four years ago that they had the first march. i talked to her about the frustration of being back here for years later after another. a mass shooting at a school this is what she had to say. the issue has never changed, unfortunately, loss have not been passing. the things that were said before are being said now. it is less of a show of we did not get this done you did not get this done. this is embarrassing for you. why did you not pass these laws? >> you can hear the passion and gonzalez's voice. the speaker we are hearing now is saying the same thing. they said that congress needs to act. we heard from the president earlier today who tweeted out that they want congress to act. he talked about congress having assault weapons ban as well as strengthening background checks. these are some of the measures

that people here are asking congress to do. they are called common sense some measures. they are continuing to have talks on capitol hill. lawmakers, the president as, well as people here are participating in people the rally and are calling for the same thing this is for congress to act on gun legislation. we are seeing to see if it will spring on capitol hill. joining me now is kaufman who was a sore sophomore at marjory stoneman douglas high school during the parkland massacre she is majoring in political science at yale university. she's a cofounder of the students demand action, also an intern in connecticut senator murphy's young office. a busy young woman. thank you for going back to the show. as you look at today, the event is called march for our lives again. what are you expecting to see today? but do you hope and expect to

accomplish this time? >> we just finished the margin with over 2000 people. we are energized. we are demanding action from our lawmakers. like what was said, enough is enough. i was here four years ago demanding action since then they have done nothing on the federal level and the have let children die. we are hoping this upcoming week that republican senators will vote for prevention. most of the constituents want that. we heard horrific details this year from robb elementary school and the teachers that were testifying at congress. how do you feel about survivors providing these kinds of details about the full impact of gun violence? it is is it insensitive to loved ones or is it helpful to bring lawmakers on board? is this what loved ones would prioritized, do you think? >> i think if a survivor of gun violence is comfortable to share their story than they should. lawmakers need to understand that when we talk about gun

violence, it is not just statistics. people are behind the statistics. it is the emotion i was here in parkland and i was seeing my former teachers and the emotion, the sadness, the memory that we have from february 14th, 2018, it is still here. it is important for lawmakers to understand that after the news cycle goes away from uvalde or parkland, four years in parkland it is still hard on everyone. >> the sadness you feel. these are not new strategies we talk about. none of these have worked so far. do you have hope for real change in actual legislation? it's something in today's environment that is different than it was four years ago? >> i think so. look, the culture on gun violence prevention has changed. more than 80% of americans support background checks and more than 80% support red flag laws. if our lawmakers are going to do the jobs and listen to the public and support and enact gun violence prevention

policies. i hope that we are going to see action this upcoming week. i am hopeful this time. >> this is sensitive. it is relative to the increase discussion about making public the photos of children and adults killed by assault weapons to shock the nation to the horrific brutality of the carnage. how do you feel about that? >> again, i think it really depends on the families of the victims. it is such a hard decision. i will go back to the same thing, our lawmakers need to understand what these weapons of war can do. it would depend on what the family is willing to share. it is such a hard issue. they should not even have to be going through this in the first place. you should not even have to ask these questions about one of audio played after an ar-15 goes to. they should not have to be a discussion at the lawmakers act. >> that was heartbreaking to hear you make that statement.

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thursday that surprised you? did this first hearing meter expectations? >> two things surprised me. the first was this thing about republican members of congress asking for presidential pardons for their roles on january 6th. inter is no way around these pardons. you don't think you're innocent, and then asked for a pardon. you ask for a pardon because you have a guilty conscience. the fact that they named scott perry the current chair of the house -- they have a lot of evidence to back that up. that is not something -- former u.s. attorney who is now the chief counselor on the committee will do. that's my first surprising thing. the second surprising thing was the fact they went on to december 18th, 2022, meeting and they tighten to trump's tweet on the saturday after that meeting.

-- hours later, trump treats, wild protest on january 6th. that they say is the catalyst for the proud boys and oath keepers and militia groups to storm the capital. >> that's the meeting with sydney powell, rudy giuliani, and mike flynn. the stone you're talking about? >> yes. >> shocking. >> it went on for hours. it went from the oval office to the white house residence. we only know certain slivers of moments. but they tied that together suggests to me this look timid he has new evidence we haven't seen yet. >> that meeting was underway, white house eternity's had no clue that that meeting was underway. they go racing to the oval office to get involved. and then they were like oh no, this can't be happening without us being. their goodness knows whether we're talking about. >> kirk, we have new information thursday night, but doesn't change anything?

will the change any minds? it's just gonna reaffirm peoples positions? how would affirmed their position of someone who agrees that i was just a typical tourist day at the capitol? because that's crazy. >> i think that's the thing alex. for those who believe the republican propaganda machine, there's not getting them back. if you don't believe your eyes. your ears. your common sense. i can't help you. nothing is gonna change your mind. you've decided. you've made a conscious decision to align your world view with conspiracy theorists and nonsense. you're gone. forget about it. the point of this is not to change people minds. i think for, for the sake of our country, for the sake of democracy, we need to have a full airing of what happened, and how it, happened how it got, here and how we can learn from the path that brought us to an insurrection attempt, and avoid it in the future. that is what the committee setting out to do. >> adriana, the same question

to you with this focus. will this move the needle at all for voters? or do voters care more about -- inflation in $5 plus gas prices? >> well alex, it's a little bit of both. this will certainly affect some voters. it doesn't have to affect that many voters. we need to make sure there are key voters in swing states, especially some of those suburban and independent voters, who will ultimately decide what happens. he doesn't have to affect 30 to 40% of that the electorate. it has to focus on and affect a key subset of the voters. -- bits and pieces of information and evidence. what these hearings are doing is putting everything together and creating a narrative during prime time television to educate the american people and what happened. to kirk's point, i think that's the most important thing. for historical purposes and for just simply educating the

american people in the world frankly on what happened, that's the importance of this hearing. that we could have documented evidence in a real narrative that is easy to understand and digest when watching all of this unfold. that's the most important part of these hearings. >> let's take a listen. i'll start with you hugo on this, as to the republican response, some of it to what the hearing is put out. there let's go to congressman jim banks who tweeted, no trial or committee hearing that doesn't present different points of view can be legitimate. the star ferry said, last night the american people saw what the lame -- for what it really is, a political witch hunt designed to punish pelosi's political opponents. can they say it's all politics here? they are saying there's no other side. yet they are the ones who rejected and 9/11 style, bipartisan commission, possibly because they didn't want american to see the results of the investigation. what do you think about that

hugo? >> i think that's right. republicans first of all, knock down the idea of having an eye level style commission, but after pelosi said, we can't have members who were involved in january six sixth on the january 6th panel, and then offered hice minority neither kevin mccarthy to appoint new picks. he turned around and said i'm not gonna engage with this at all. and took away all of his engagement with the committee. so it's kind of his fault that there are no republican minority members on the committee. i think the broader point though is, republicans love to say this committee is illegitimate, and it's a partisan panel, and it's a witch hunt. but trump appointed judges who disagreed with that every level, at the d.c. district court level, and judge carter, in one of the cases, has an whimsically said, it agrees with the select committee that trump engaged in multiple

felonies to overturn the election. -- the fact of the matter is republicans don't like to attack the substance of what the committee has uncovered. they like to attack the process. because there is no way they can counter program against what the trump really try to overturn the election. even though everyone knows he lost. >> it's kind of wanted to. ways you have the faction wants to ignore the proceedings altogether. the other who thinks some direct counter programming is necessary. what do you make of the strategies? as we reported, 20 million people watched that hearing thursday night. i know republicans who watched. they were stunned. there were a couple who said they were ashamed of how their parties or to downplay january 6th. >> they can try to run away from this, pretend like it's not happening, create an alternate world for some of their base to try to ignore all of this, but the reality is, that's not possible. we live in a time now where

people, everybody in this country that has a mobile phone, has the ability to watch the key moments of this hearing. it's not necessarily important that everybody tunes and live. but think about all the impressions and views that these key clips, whether it's bill barr, jared kushner, ivanka trump, all these moments have been regurgitated and seen on social media. even people who watch fox news, they are on twitter. even people who don't like what's going on with january six dissing information somehow. it was not plausible for republicans to pretend like this is not happening. i have a suspicion that as these proceedings continue, and we hear more from these videotape depositions, remember, they have a library of depositions, more than 1000 were conducted, with people who were in the white house, aligned with the republican party, where -- and that will take center stage as these hearings progress. >> you mentioned this was all

about the future of preventing this from happening. but of donald trump even possibly be the republican nominee for president in 2024 after listening to all this? if you were to become that, how dangerous is it? >> you raise a really good point. i'm not sure who in america still wants to go out there and support donald trump. obviously he still has a significant number of followers who are with them. but alex, you look at the endorsements that he's made in some of these primaries in key states. he does not have a great track record on some of these endorsements. a lot of his candidates have lost. a lot of people and his party believed in the star power of him is fading. we'll see how this plays. out this is definitely weakens him even more. over the next few weeks, all the american people are gonna see when they turn on primetime television at night, is what happened that day. at the capitol. the insurrection. the fact that these were not tourists, the recently touring the capital, is very obvious. when you put all this together, you create a scenario until the

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