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from msnbc world headquarters. welcome to alex witt reports. we are beginning this hour with breaking news as thousands of students are leading marches and rallies early across this country demanding action on gun violence. survivors of the 2018 parkland school shooting are leading another push for a change in our gun laws. among those taking place at rallies today, younger students summoned in austin texas, saying that they are traumatized by active shooter drew drills and use of school shootings. this gathering took place in nashville in the last. our students were joined by moms demanding action. in new york city, moments ago, mayor eric adams joined those marching to demand action from congress. there's also pay paid tribute to ten killed in a racially charged shooting in buffalo last month and 21 tilde at robb elementary in uvalde. and one organizer said that more voices need to be added to

the discussion. >> i'm speaking for the places left out of the conversation about gun violence. places where it covid-19 was not the first introduction to mass death and overcrowded hospitals. where poverty rates were already high and living paycheck to paycheck as the norm. communities where school systems are under funded and state penitentiary nary's are overfill. politicians are overpaid and other programs are under resourced. police officers are racist and the justice system never hold them accountable. places where you know, all of our lives matter but black and brown ones are taken on a daily basis. >> savannah is on the ground at that rally in d.c., it is well underway. savannah, a lot of people who are there today organizing the rally, they were there for years ago doing the exact same thing. what is it to exactly like being a back? alex, that's right, not only were they here doing the exact same thing but they were here because they have been through

a shooting themselves. i wanted to take a step back to give you a sense of the size of the crowd that is grown. and it's on the mall in washington, d.c.. it is growing over the last couple couple of hours. we are shortly a good from the mayor and d.c. who used the moment to call for statehood. she said that common sense does not seem to be all that comment in the senate. this is commonly known as common sense gun laws. a lot of these things are not on the table. a lot of things that we are seeing on the signs are posters that they call to raise a minimum wage, call for universal background checks, and things like that. i was also here four years ago when we cover this in 2018. what struck me then, of course, was the number of young people who had not only started the movement but also showed up that day. what struck me today, in a couple of hours that i have been here, alex, i met young people in their teens or early 20's from three different shootings, just to give you a sense of what has happened since parkland.

one of them referred to it as a during my shooting. it gave me the chills to hear someone explain it like that. i want you to meet someone who has been through that. this is broken guns. she was 14 years old when she experienced gun violence at her school. this is at the edmund birch school in d.c.. this was in april. i want to tell you to tell us about that day. what you said about your teacher touch me. tell me about what you went through. >> it was out of normal. i was in the middle of a math test. that is when it happened. i remember my math teacher, i am so grateful for my math teacher, and i will forever be. she stayed with 9-1-1 the whole time protecting the students, and keeping us calm in the corner. trying to make sure that we work on the whole time. we did not panic. it was scary.

then the police came and there was a trooper, we were all terrified that the shooter could have been in the building. we were in the room. >> and it was when you were 13 years old. it is so sweet to hear how grateful you are for your teacher. she also made the point to me about how much a change in young people can make by coming out to things like this, alex. >> it is extraordinary that she says that she was taking a math test. it brings it all home there, savannah. right behind you, david hogg, he is no stranger to those of us who are in support of comments on gun laws. let's take a listen to what he is saying right now. a major organizer of this event. we all agree that we must end gun violence. every responsible gun owner, every single person, no american wants their kid to be in nature inside or outside of

their schools. we must act to stop of violence. you know what? this time is different. let's declare it right and now and say it right now with me loud. this time is different! latter. this time is different! hold up your signs that say, this time is different! can you take a photo, there's no photographer up here. >> this time is different! >> louder. >> this time is different! >> this time is different! >> this time is different! >> why is this time different? since we marched in 2018, we have passed over 150 pieces of gun safety legislation and laws that since the first time that we marched. they have saved lives. we raise the age to own guns in the state of florida. do you know how hard that is?

in a republican legislator. what we were told i got told that we were never going to change. if we did in tallahassee, we can do it on capitol hill, in our senate, right now. we require background checks on every sale in virginia. we banned guns and pulled guns in colorado. we defeated more nra backed politicians as a group of a politicians and teenagers and young people then more than ever before in history in 2018. we have had the highest rate, some of the highest rates of use of voter turnout in american history. you know why this time is different? not only do we have more republicans, gun owners, democrats, independents marching with us than ever before, but the last time that

i spoke at an event like this we did not have the white house, the senate, or the house. now we have all three. that is because of you. now it is time to get all of them to act. in four short years we went from having not the senate, white house, and me hanging up on the white house when they called me and said that they want to have a listening session. i said we do not need a listening session, we need action. in four years, you know why this time is different. i went from hanging up at the white house we went and met in the west wing cause we turned out and voted. >> when you listen to the passion of david hogg, it comes as no surprise that he has been absolutely stellar and instrumental in making a lot of movement on this, getting young people to vote, and having some success with incremental changes in our nation's gun laws.

let's go back to savannah who is in the crowd. i think that people get riled up. they have a lot of respect for him because he is at the epicenter of this whole movement. >> absolutely. it is almost certain that we've had the crowd the loudest. it gives you the chills when you hear that this time is going to be different. that is the question. is this time different? will we be here again in four years? gonzales is also someone that we spoke with us who will be closing it out today. she became nationally prominent after which she went through ad marjory stoneman douglas high school. they are wondering if congress is going to do anything. that is wood david is raising right. now i want to go back here while i have her, to brooke, and hear what she had to say. she was telling me what a difference young people can make if this time is different or not. brook, one of the things that you mentioned to me is that you want to see, as a 14 year old, you want to see change. you mentioned that to me. >> i think that anyone can make

change. it's if they want to. even the little things. reach out to someone you know. even if it is a friend or a family member. this could've been planned by any person here. it is about connections. reach out to a local person in your senate, congress, anyone that you know that has power. >> what has it been like for you since the day that you went back through this in april? >> going back to school has been scary. there is a part of the school that was broken the bridge was shattered. that is where my friend was shot. that has been a terrifying for every student. i remember we all got locked up in one room. the police were outside the door.

we were all telling each other how we would never cross the bridge ever again. it has been hard for everyone to cross the bridge again. >> what do you want adults to know about what she went through and what's you want them to do? >> i want adults to know that gun violence is an important thing. they need to reach out to people, do whatever you can to make change. >> brook, thank you so much for your time. thank you for talking to us. alex, you said it again a moment ago hurting her talk about a math test, a friend when she was shot. it happened when she was 13 and now she's 40. now it brings it into perspective. >> why is a 14 year old having to carry the weight of these burdens on her shoulders. this is heartbreaking. i do thank you for bringing her voice to the conversation. thank you, as savannah. we are going to keep monitoring the rallies. we want to take you back live at the half. our first, the day's other big story is the economy. gas prices reached an all-time high. they eclipse the five dollar

mark. josh lederman is into santa fe, new mexico, ahead of the presidents a visit. how is president biden addressing all of these concerns about these latest economic reports? >> i wish i was in santa fay. it would be a lot warmer and a lot less raining at the white house. >> i'm sorry. >> it's a case. the president has been asked repeatedly about this issue, alex. they try to emphasize the positive parts of the economy given the fact that so much has challenged americans economically and his outside of the white house's control. president biden does not have a lot of levers left to be able to bring down prices in the short term. i specifically have been asking the white house today about this new national average, exceeding five gallons -- $5 a gallon. once again, the white house is pointing the finger at russia for this price hike. we are also noting that this is something that we are not just seeing here. in fact, the price of the gas and gallant as gone up to a buck 50 or more in the u.s..

according to the white house, more than $1.90 in canada. more than $2 and ten cents in germany. this is a challenge that the whole world is facing. president biden is trying to make clear to americans as he it dressed the inflation issues yesterday, he understands the pain that him and everyone else are going through. let's take a listen. >> i understand that americans are anxious. they are anxious for good reason. i was raised in a household when the price of gasoline rose precipitously. it was a discussion at the table. it made a difference. food prices went up. we have never seen anything like putin's tax on both food and gas. america should also known that the economy has unique strengths. we can build on these. >> the president is now on his way to new mexico where his focus on the wildfires that have been plaguing that region. there is a lot of anger in that community, because of the fact

that this massive fire now threatening new mexico has been traced back to a controlled burns that authorities set to lower the risk of wildfires. in fact, in the 50 billion dollar federal pan plan that he rolled out earlier this year to deal with the wildfires, a big component of that was more of these controlled burns. they are supposed to clear out the brush and excess growth so that there is less chance that a wildfire can rapidly spread. in this case, it backfired. it led to these fires. it shows the difficulty and the challenge in trying to respond to these very unpredictable events of concern that the white house says it is only growing more and more urgent, given the way that climate change is exacerbating the threat from wildfires, alex. >> 100% right. josh lederman is at the white house. we clarified that. obviously. thank you my friend. let's go to the latest on capitol hill. a bit this week ahead of the january six committee. three more hearings are lined

up. more revelations are expected. monday's hearing will feature former political editor from fox news, a crist our world. and then jeffrey rhoden will testify alongside other officials. this is as washington is reeling from thursday's hearing. early numbers show that it was watched by more than 20 million people, including donald trump. he took to his own social media websites to slam and the testimony from his daughter. betty thompson is saying in response that trump is welcome to testify. marjory stoneman douglas high school. >> we welcome the former president. he is quite at the come under oath. he is a citizen. if he thinks that he is going to come to our committee under oath and perdue himself then i would suggest he not come. msnbc contributor betsy --

as well as former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. welcome to you both. i'm gonna start with you betsy. as we get into thursday's primetime hit he hearing, which starting including startling testimony when ivanka trump said she believed bill barr when he said the election was not stolen. also trump never called any law enforcement agencies to protect the capital, mike prance of what was happening and he called for help. and it documentary remedial the proud boys march to the capitol before trump's speech. so what's stood out to you betsy? did you learn something that you didn't expect? >> but i found striking in particular was when cheney talked about the fact that trump never reached out to any elements of the u.s. government to ask them to help with what's going on in the capital building. that's the kind of information that you can only share in a

totally definitive, confident way if you're running the type of probe that these members of congress are running. it's very difficult to prove the negative. it's very difficult to get enough total, thorough, complete information about some of these conversations and phone calls, to be able to say with confidence, that conversation didn't happen. but cheney was able to say that with confidence, in large part because of the extraordinary leverage this committee has. another -- was about rod publican members of congress seeking pardons. those topics. people going to white house for pardons, and the relationship between white house and capitol hill, those are very much topics that -- a former white house say it is in the process of potentially increasing her cooperation with the committee. those are topics she would have a significant amount of visibility into. i expect to hear a lot more on

that front as these hearings continue to unfold. >> give me a sense of your interpretation of cassidy. the fact that she is dropped the attorneys she had working with or, has opted for some others. how are you reading that? what's behind it? >> it's a really big deal. her prior legal team was held by stephan -- a very much a card carrying member of trump's inner circle. he was the top ethics lawyer at the white house during the trump administration. now he works for a law firm that russia is run by white supremacists. -- hutchinson dropped him just hours before this first january 6th elect's select committee hearing meeting. it's disrupting and challenging to change legal representation midstream. it's a big decision. it's a choice that she made. she brought on -- the chief of staff to jeff

sessions, when he was attorney general, chose to recuse himself from supervising the trump russia probe. that decision was totally on board with the justice department rules, regulations and norms. it was also a decision decision that out rage trump. -- this is really dramatic. >> so, let's take a listen again to the piece of testimony offered from bill barr and ivanka trump that is making hairlines headline since the hearing. >> i made it clear, i do not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out the stuff, which i told the president was -- >> how did that has that affected your perspective on the situation when barr made that statement? >> it affected my perspective because i respect attorney general barr. so i accepted what he was

saying. >> for donald trump's part, responding on truth social, writing quote, ivanka trump was not involved in looking, at or studying, election results. she had long since checked out and, was in my opinion, only trying to be respectful to bill barr and his position as attorney general. and of course he had to add, he saw. so charming. how damaging is barr's testimony for him? it seems like it's getting under donald trump's skin. >> there's no question that these videos of barr and ivanka trump were drove the former president, really really nuts. he was obviously very frustrated to see the people he were closer to him, advisors he relied, on even his own daughter, saying that the claims he was making were just baseless. we are expecting much more this to come over the next two weeks or so of congressional hearings. just yesterday, political published, an unseen memo that the select committee has,

written by pry vice presidents legal team, in the memo, members of pence's white house legal team specifically say, a month after -- that members of pence's own legal team were unable to verify those claims. shake a stick and you'll find a former trump administration official, or document showing just how unpersuasive, flimsy, the claims trump and his team made regarding voter fraud actually are. >> okay we will continue the conversation with cynthia -- the former federal prosecutor and nbc legal analyst. do you get the sense that the ultimate goal is to get the doj involved? >> absolutely. first of, all the doj gets involved. they are moving very slowly. but they are involved. as the doj sends out subpoenas

on the whole fake election scheme, they will inevitably snowball and everything else. why do i save? not because the fake elector scheme was created by eastman and giuliani. and who is the person who comes over the scheme to pressure pence? it's eastman. so everything is gonna be connected. there's no escape from. it is just gonna dribble and grow and grow and grow. the only real issue is, what will happen during that time around the midterms when the justice department doesn't like to be doing anything that would affect the midterms and have to wind it down? we are in this place because of the pressure of the quality of the congressional investigation, and the grand jury process has already begun. it will grow into a full blown investigation. >> give me a sense of, if the justice department were to pick up a case against donald trump, what could they potentially charge him with?

how does the status of former presidents affect that? should it affect? >> it doesn't affect it at all. now he's a regular citizen who can be indicted. there are lots of options. ranging from a conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding, a conspiracy to defraud the united states in the voting, a seditious conspiracy, if ever there was a connection between the mob violence and the actual organization of the mob violence and trump, we don't have the right now. unless suggesting we do. but where that to be uncovered, that's a seditious conspiracy option. there are a lot of felonies that are options. >> this was a fairly stunning revelation on thursday night, as congressman liz cheney pointed to december 18th white house meeting between donald trump, rudy giuliani, michael,

flynn -- discussing dramatic steps, including seizing voting machines, holding elections, and until they met alone, they went racing into the room, shortly after the meeting ended, that's when trump tweeted about january six. the tweet was, be there, it will be wild. is this meeting gonna help prove to investigators that there was a conspiracy underway? >> yes. there is a host of information that the put forward above this conspiracy. the question, is where is the link? is there a link between the pressuring of pence no, defenses, was a january 6th mob that attacked can they link that to the white house? candidly the proud boys, the oath keepers and the white house personnel? there's some suggestion they can't. i haven't seen that evidence yet. i'm looking forward to seeing that. >> last quick question. do you think something coming from this hearing will make a legal case preventing donald

trump from declaring his candidacy for president of the united states? >> well, the legal cases he's indicted and convicted of a felony. i don't know if that will happen. i think it should happen. but, the attorney general's very reticence to be involved in the -- in any way politicized the department of justice. it and his conservative nature mccarthy. i think they will make a case that he should be convicted of a felony. whether or not he will, is anyone's guess. >> there's still a long road to that. cynthia moxley thank you. thanks ladies so. much coming up next, the revelation about who gave explicit orders -- and the fallout that could come from that. from that. and prevent my migraines. don't take if allergic to nurtec. most common side effects, in less than 3% were nausea, indigestion, stomach pain.

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he is very animated. he had very explicit, very direct, very unambiguous ordinance. there was no question about that. i can get you the exact quotes from some of our record somewhere. he was very animated, very direct, very firm. to secretary miller, get the military out of your, or get the guard down here, put them down as the situation. >> that's from the chairman chief of staff revealing that it vice president mike pence who explicitly gave orders to put down the right. those are coming as the january six committee list cheney said that at the public hearing that donald trump made no call to any elements of the u.s. government to order that the capital be defended. joining me now is olivia, chief political strategist for the new america moment and top aide to vice president mike pence. i'm glad you're here. you know mike pence. it does visit mediate reaction

surprise you given when he was witnessing? >> no. this is the man that i knew, that i worked with, and four. it is the person that i think people will likely get to know in the coming days when we know what happened. in the moment when he was absent in a dirt election of defeat, when the leadership was under attack by these ugly mob, mike pence knew that he had to step up at whatever consequence and do whatever he could. he behaved honorably. he honored his oath of office which is what we would expect from the leaders of our country, especially in the united states where we are a democracy. >> talk about being attacked. another notable moment from the hearing was liz cheney's revelation that any witness told investigators that trump was in support of the mob that was calling for pence to be hanged. take a listen to this. >> where the rioters chants to hang mike pence, the president

responded with this sentiment, quote, maybe our supporters have the right idea. mike pence, quote, deserves it. >> are you shocked by this? given by what you observed with donald trump and your time there in the white house, will there be any fallout from this observation? >> i am horrified at this. every time i hear any reference to this, it is chilling to me. i do not want to believe that this is who we are as america, that we had a president put his own vice president's life in danger. no one should be okay with that. >> olivia, 100 percent, 1000 percent agree with what you are saying. is this is donald trump to you? you observed him. you are in meetings. you witnessed the rhetoric and how he approached things. the ultimate pursuit of loyalty, no matter what. he felt that mike pence was

disloyal. >> yes. this is exactly what happens when you speak up or step out of line in the trump world. this is exactly who trump is. this is the behavior of someone who the power is about himself and no other. in that moment, i am not surprised that he behaved this way by any means. i have seen him put americans at risk in a number of situations where people had to step in. in this moment, i am not at all surprised that he behaved this way. this is who he truly is as a person. this is his character. i think he was basking in the glory. as people were getting hurt and law enforcement officers were getting killed, and all of this was happening, he was basking in the glory of these people being there for him. the best comparison is this is a very putin-like behavior and americans should recognize that. >> i was going to say, to your point earlier, and now this one, this is absolutely un-american.

it is a display of emotion and rhetoric by a president of this country. i do want to play something else that liz cheney said and this is a direct message to her fellow republican colleagues. take a listen to this. >> in our country, we do not swear an oath to an individual or a political party. we take our oath to defend the united states constitution. that oath must mean something. tonight, i say this to my republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible. there will come a day when donald trump is gone. your dishonor will remain. >> we will that point breakthrough to any republicans who formerly have been on team trump? >> i would hope so. this is not where the republican party is today, unfortunately. i have been wanting the republican party to go in a different direction. i'm a lifelong republican. i am someone who has dealt and acknowledge the fact that i own

part of this situation that has happened with this party along the way. i will certainly say, i have waited for this republican party to walk away from this. it is incumbent on upon them. there are members who were sitting in strategy sessions with the president, applauding the overturning of this election. an election that we know is safe and suffer secure and was not stolen. the fact that other colleagues will sit there and allow threats to be directed to people like liz cheney and others who voted to convict donald trump, based on what has happened here on january six. they stand by it. they allow to happen. they are trying to discredit the committee, a bipartisan committee, and mischaracterize it. this tells us everything that we need to know about where they are and where they stand. >> their behavior will be remembered. >> as will our conversation with you, olivia troye. it thank you so much. coming up next, who is listening to the call for change that is happening in cities across this country? >> he didn't have anything to

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soldiers a day as the fighting in the east intensifies. there is an incredibly intense battles taking place in the street. a top aide to president zelenskyy has said that they are outgunned on the eastern front. in order to match the power that they are seeing from a russian forces, they need some 300 additional rocket launch systems. essentially, he said in an interview with the bbc, they need more weapons, more advanced weapon than what the u.s. is currently sending. russia has been accused by ukrainian officials of committing over 11,000 war crimes. mariupol, a city that is now controlled by russian forces, it is very difficult for people still there to get access to clean water. the mayor of that city, who is now outside of the city in the ukrainian-controlled territory, has said that there are bodies that have been left behind in the rubble. trash has not been picked up. sewage is in the streets and it

is polluting the water with bacteria and making people in that city very sick. the uk minister of defense says that the city is at risk for a major malaria outbreak. back to you. >> alison, thank you so much for show sharing with us. we have new information today on the law enforcement response to last month a school shooting in uvalde. the new york times is reporting that heavily armed officers in the school hallway we're aware that more than a dozen students remained alive, some in need of medical treatment, for over an hour before they entered the classroom. the time, citing video footage and law enforcement documents said that they waited for a key to enter the room in protective gear to reduce the risk to officers. msnbc has not reviewed or verified the materials. in his first extended comment since the shooting, police chief for the school district, pete arredondo, told the texas tribune about a consequential decision that he left his

campus and police radios outside of the school. joining me now from uvalde's antonia hilton. crucial new details there as the investigation is unfolding. what are we learning about why the officers are still sort of laid in entering the classroom? >> i, alex. these new details really give us important insight into why there was so much chaos on the ground that day, and why it took upwards of an hour for them to actually get confronted with the gunman. what really stood out to me, particularly from the tribune a reporting, was that pete arredondo, the police chief of the schools in uvalde, said that he was not aware that he was the incident commander. he was not aware that he was in charge. he managed that he left the radio behind it because he needed two hands to handle this firearm. he described the praying as he is trying key after key struggling to find the key to get into the classroom. law enforcement security

experts say that this would be highly unusual for a police chief of a school district to not have a key to every single classroom and closet in the school district that they are responsible for. they could not know that they are in charge in an incident like this. while the answers that he has given, the defense for his actions that they, give us some insight, they also open up a lot of questions. when we are finding on the ground is that there is an incredible exhaustion and anger from folks. take a listen to a conversation i just had with a friend family near the memorial site. i definitely follow -- it's very disheartening. it's upsetting. it's disgusting. i feel for these families. >> how are you feeling? how are you doing? >> i'm upset. sad. it's for those kids who lost their lives, it's not easy.

those kids deserve the longer life. they deserved better, those families who are suffering, it's not right. it's not right at all. >> alex, i was so moved in my conversation with the eight-year-old girl who you met right there. as we were talking, there was a funeral right around the corner from the 41 of the children killed by this gunman. the community here is demanding answers. people are relieved that up. we are now more than two weeks since this horrific tragedy, and people feel like even though there's new information all the, time they are still scrambling to really understand what transpired alex. >> that eight year. old absolutely heartbreaking. why should she be carrying around this burden in her life for the rest of her life? it makes no sense. antonia, thank you. the march for life movement is

back in -- in the wake of the uvalde shooting. -- tens of thousands are rallying across this country for meaningful changes to gun laws. joining me from washington we. -- >> hi alex. that call for action from congress. have to point out just a few minutes ago, there was a scare here. someone who was yelling while the speakers were on the stage and cause the crown to start running, because that's a reflection that the times that we are living in. you hear yelling. this is a rally where people are asking for gun safety. changes to gun laws. and there was concern, people were running out of the fear for their life, fear that someone was upset about what type of rally this was, and that there may be a shooter here. that is a reflection that people are not safe, wherever, they are whether it's a school, church, gross, restore a rally

for a cause, people don't feel safe. we talked organizers earlier today about why they're coming here. they're calling for changes to gun laws, for something to be done to address mass shootings. this event has been organized by the survivors of parkland shooting four years ago. i talked with x gonzalez. she is one of the survivors from that. i talked with her about the frustration of coming back four years later, another mass shooting at a school, and she talked about the call for action that she is demanding and the rally goers are demanding from congress. >> we are trying to really up and re-show congress how important this issue is and it's important that this gets talked about and we have to get things done. i've been in a constant plateau of mad, angry, ready to make this change, no matter the cost. this is going to happen.

>> -- >> honestly, i think that i've seen so much on both sides of the aisle. -- the fact that republicans have been willing to meet with. us and democrats have done on our side. i think it's a big moment. >> this is a different moment. that is what we are hearing from some of the people here. we heard from those speakers. we heard from some of the participants. we heard it from cori bush, one of the lawmakers and members of congress. this time feels different. they feel there's more bipartisanship happening when it comes to negotiations on capitol hill. -- when it comes to background checks, or expanding parts of background, checks making juvenile records, access to juvenile records part of those background checks. those are some of the measures are people here are calling for and demanding for congress.

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and delivered to your door in as little as one hour. you numbers today from the -- arrests as of last monday, at least 825 people have been charged, 225 of them have been charged with assaulting, impeding, or resisting officers, 90 charged with using a deadly or dangerous, weapons 300 and find have pled guilty, and 80 have been sentenced to prison. several of the accused or members of far rights groups. -- >> what do you want to call them? give me a name? give me a game? >> white supremacist. proud boys. >> proud boys? stand back and stand by. >> ivory made this comment, enrique tarrio, but leader of the problem by, set on parlor,

standing by sir. >> -- this led to an increase and membership of the proud boys. >> when you say proud boys numbers increased after the standby stand back comment. how much? >> i'd say triple. >> joining me is fbi counter intelligence agent. peter welcome back to the broadcast. are you surprised by this claim? as an investigator, is there any evidential value in it? >> well, i'm not surprised at all. part of what you want to do if, you are recruiting for a particular group, if you have a statement by the president of the united states states naming your book, and doing it in an improving way, than for followers who would potentially be wanting to support president trump, would be drawn to that group. another thing it does, when president trump mentions it like that, it legitimizes their

activity. it doesn't surprise me at all it raised the accrue recruitment effort of the proud boys. from an evidentiary affair, it points to his awareness of the group. it was part of his statement, trying to send a message to the group leadership, that's a very important data point. what we are seeing right now amongst the leadership of the proud boys, many have been indicted or are in jail awaiting trial, is that there were some knowledge about the activities in and around president trump. that's what many of us are looking for and hoping to hear from the january six committee. also looking to see with the department of justice is able to do in the next step, as if clearly charge mensch of the leadership of the proud boys. who in and around president trump's orbit might have been interacting with the proud boys? can we expect to see any criminal charges?

contorts this individual's >> definitely witch road down which this needs to be analyzed there. what about the doj which says 140 police officers were attacked by january 6th? this video is difficult to watch, but i want to show capitol police officer caroline edwards holding the line at the bike racks, battling the mauve, suffering a brain injury when she was pushed into a concrete staircase. here's how she described her experience. it's powerful. let's listen. let's listen never in my wildest dreams that i think that as a police officer, as a law enforcement officer, i would find myself in the middle of a battle. i am trained to detained a couple of subjects and handle a crowd. i am not combat trained. that day was hours of hand to

hand combat. >> peter, how extraordinary is it that capitol officers were put in this op-ed position and what are the odds that these attacks learned all planned in advance? >> it is extraordinary to watch. the first observation is when you see violence like this, the tendency is to look away. i would encourage everyone to not do that. it is disturbing. it's a force yourself to watch it. force yourself to watch the detail of what is happening. it is very concerning, i think, in the context of what's she said was not combat trained. but i was concerned about where those on the other side, of the oath keepers, who were combat trained. they served in iraq and afghanistan. they were former and current law enforcement officers who are trained in the very sorts of techniques that she was trying to defend against. when you look at the scale of what occurred on both sides of the capitol, certainly amongst what's are looking at with the charging documents that speak to these groups, there is

absolutely no way that this was not planned in advance. when you look at the charging documents for the oath keepers and the proud boys, the alleged facts lay out a clear conspiracy that predated january six. what is going to be interesting at trial is to get some of the facts behind these allegations and to ask hard questions about how broad the conspiracy was and why it was that law enforcement across the board had -- appeared to be surprised and not prepared for this coordinated violence. >> are you surprised, in 30 seconds if you can answer, whether someone drop the ball in hindsight? for folks responsible for monitoring these kinds of group activity online and raising red flags. >> it is a question that needs to be answered. i think there was some indication that federal law enforcement had sources within some of these groups trying to get information about antifa,

and organizations on the left. it is a very legitimate question that needs to be asked. i hope that between the january six committee and others we get some answers and changes to ensure that if there are shortcomings, they are addressed. >> peter, i look forward to ask you questions down the road again. thank you. the big boat party underway in florida for the number one gop rival. this is where we will take you next. ke you next rgest and fastest 5g network. but, they don't. they only cover select cities with 5g. and with coverage of over 96% of interstate highway miles, they've got us covered. ♪♪♪ my name is austin james. as a musician living with diabetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 2 system. with a painless, one-second scan i know my glucose numbers without fingersticks. now i'm managing my diabetes better and i've lowered my a1c from 8.2 to 6.7. take the mystery out of managing your diabetes

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>> it has been an active afternoon on the st. johns river as hundreds of sat desantis's supporters fill their rivers on their planned tunes. they were shot earlier this afternoon, these videos. they have signs with desantis 2024. guns, god, desantis. the support is not just here in the state of florida. it is nationwide. according to the western conservative side, they were shot a colorado, it showed that governor desantis was at the top of the list for respondents of who they wanted to see in the white house in 2024. trump was below desantis and so was ted cruz and doctor ben carson. there is a juxtaposition today of what we are seeing on the saint john river with the republicans on their boats. there's thousands and thousands of both that are marching for gun legislation across the country.

here's what we had to say about this legislation. >> i think that the constitution says you have the right to bear arms. they are trying to take the right away from you. i think it is at the beginning of tavern legislation. this is the end goal, get rid of everyone's guns. this is not right. >> let's get real here, start focusing on the real problem. that's hard in the schools, put armed security guards in the school, let teachers be armed if necessary to protect the kids from being gunned down and without care. >> now, one issue that folks were not concerned about was gas prices, alex. >> okay, i got to say that god, guns, and desantis is one heck of a sign. for all of you, i'm stuck around for another hour to cover for yasmin who is off today. coming up, we will bring you a special hour focusing on the 16 hearings. we are going to be powerful

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i'm alex with, filling in for yasmin -- this hour and msnbc spia