good evening everyone, and welcome to a special three hour mega addition of ayman, live from washington d.c.. tonight, our goal is to present the lessons of the january six committee first public hearing in ways that you have not seen before, to take into the details that help you understand the seriousness of the charges laid out, who is at fault, who has something to hide, why the threat still exists to this country, and where it is all heading next? we have an incredible group of experts to help us, including congresswoman ilhan omar, harvard constitutional law professor laurence tribe, house intelligence committee member mike quickly, msnbc hosts simone sanders and al sharpton, and david corn, and a whole lot more. i am ayman mohyeldin, let's get started.

as we start this special, it is important to remember one thing, what happened on january the six, 2021 was not a spontaneous riot. in fact, it was a coordinated attack. during the first public hearing of the january six committee, vice chairman liz cheney laid out in detail donald trump's seven planned point despite losing the election. that is where all of this begins, trump's loss and his refusal to acknowledge it. even before the election was called for joe biden, donald trump pushed disgusting election conspiracies, but his own team knew the truth. his own team knew that he had in fact lost the 2020 election. >> i remember the call with mr.

meadows, where mr. meadows was asking me what i was finding and if i was finding anything? i remember sharing with him that we were not finding anything that would be sufficient to change the results in any of the key states. >> next, trump turned to the department of justice to help peddle his election lies. when the officials there refused to go along with it, trump hacked a plan to replace those officials. and the days before the attack, trump ordered the top doj officials to, quote, just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congressman. at the same time, trump launched a pressure campaign on his vice president, mike pence, concocting shambling go arguments in an attempt to convince pence that he was obligated to overturn the results of the 2020 election. we know that was false. one judge that actually

reviewed the general six evidence said that if mike pence had gone along with trump's plan, it would have, quote, permanently ended the peaceful transfer of power, undermining the american democracy and constitution. then trump brought in his scheme. he called on state legislators to back his big lie. we all remember georgia, where trump demanded election officials, quote, find 11,780 votes. when that the network, trump's legal team sunk to a new low, instructing republicans in georgia and multiple other swing states to send fake electoral college significance to congress and the national archives. those certificates, those are the ones that are said to be counted on january the six. trump then energize his supporters with his lies, putting out a save the day to his followers for january the six, promising a wild day in washington. on that day, trump, of course, directed his radical followers

to march onto the capitol, the seventh and final step of trump plan, you might ask? to bask in the violence as a all unfolded. >> not only did president trump refused to tell the mob to leave the capitol, he placed no call to any element of the united states government to instruct that the capital be defended. he did not call his secretary of defense on january six. he did not talk to his attorney general. he did not talk to the department of homeland security. president trump gave no order to deploy the national guard that day. he made no effort to work with the department of justice to coordinate and deploy law enforcement assets. >> in the weeks ahead, we are set to learn much more about each of these seven points, but this much is already clear. what transpired at the capitol was the culmination of a months long carefully constructed plan to overturn the results of the

2020 election. donald trump and nobody else was the architect of the plan. the january six committee has said that their goal is to protect american democracy. we will discuss that tonight because it appears to the committee that the most effective way to protect our democracy is to make sure that donald trump remains a former president. here to discuss this and more is democratic congresswoman ilhan omar of minnesota. she introduced the first resolution to impeach donald trump following the insurrection on january the six. congresswoman, it is great to see you, thank you for your time. i want to get your reaction if i can through the first public hearing. you are inside the capitol on january the six. do you think that the committee successfully communicated the horrors of what unfolded on that day? >> thank you, ayman, it is great to be with you. i think they have.

everybody watched the events play out on their tvs like we did, as well. i think that as the news dripped out of the events, is started to lose the connection of what actually took place for people. what the committee is doing right now is really prosecuting the case, laying out the facts, creating the linkage, presenting it to the american people because they are the jurors, and it is allowing people to really see that there was coordinated campaign to, as you just said, to overturn the election results, to keep trump president and to undermine our democracy, and essentially break with everything that makes a republic strong. >> one of the things,

congresswoman, that i had heard anecdotally from some of my friends, and i can understand why it is reflected among the american people, is do the american people had the bandwidth right now for these hearings? since they are dealing with the pandemic of gun violence, soaring inflation and rising gas prices. how would you make the case that, frankly, i believe this as well, we cannot fix anything else in our society if we no longer have a functioning democracy. >> this is essentially about a republican. if it remains so. having a functional democracy is an essential part of that. we watched insurrectionists take over the capital of the united states of america, one of the most revered institutions in the world. i was taken that day and put in a safe space with the leaders

of congress, the five leaders in the house and the five leaders in the senate. i watched speaker pelosi and leader schumer, then leader mitch mcconnell, frank thickly make phone calls to the mayor of washington, d.c. to the pentagon, to the leaders there, to the white house, multiple times, pleading for a response to what was taking place. and to now watch republican leaders really take back many of these statements that they made, it is really disheartening. i think the american people in this package that is being presented to them will have the kind of clear understanding that many of us that were in that room walked away with, which is that the president of the united states attempted to

overthrow our democracy and instill himself as a forever president, and watched as a mob of insurrectionists descended on the capitol and did nothing. >> congresswoman, how do you reconcile that a big part of our country is completely ignoring this? the committee presented text messages between sean hannity and trump administration officials in the aftermath of the attack, yet box viewers, they would not know that because box, and i don't want to call it box news, but fox has refused to carry the hearings live. do you worry that box audience, which is a big part of the country, is learning about january six in an alternate reality of sorts? >> of course, we are learning and have known for a long time that fox news and its host have played a role in this.

i would consider them accomplices to what took place, inciting that riot, calling that bob to descend on washington, the insurrection that ended up taking place on january six, the big lie of the stolen election, the working with white supremacists to undermine our democracy and interrupt the process of peacefully transitioning the presidency. they were in on it. if you really think about one of the other big revelations that came out, it was that republican members of congress, like scott perry and others, asked for a pardon. they were lobbying the president for a pardon after the january 6th attack. that to me is a confession of guilt. why would you be seeking a pardon if you did not think

that you committed a crime against our country? i want everybody to really understand what that actually means, that there are sitting members of congress at this moment that felt that they were guilty enough, that they might have committed a crime, that what happened on january six, the revelations of that will implicate them in some way, is really shocking. the fact that they remain as seated members of congress really is an atrocity and a failure to hold them accountable, which i think undermines the legitimacy of congress and our democracy. >> to that point, congresswoman, i think a lot of women are looking at the department of justice. i'm curious to get your thoughts on what does accountability coming out of these hearings look like for you. do you believe that there is a real and genuine chance that

donald trump could be held criminally responsible for what happened between election day and january the six. >> so i think about the january six committee as prosecutors, who are standing in front of a grand jury, looking for an indictment. that grand jury is the department of justice. i hope that the case will be made clear that crimes were committed, and the president, the former president of the united states, sitting members of congress in the republican conference, will be held criminally liable in this situation. the reason that i drafted the first articles of impeachment as the insurrection was taken place is because i heard and

listened as police were going out for the president to do something. i cannot think of a president of any country sitting and watching his capital being taken over, the democracy of his country being undermined and doing nothing to call in the authorities to help stop the. >> yeah, as i have said many times, the insurrection was put down but the attempted coup on our democracy is still very much alive and well and on folding, that has not been defeated. congresswoman ilhan omar, thank you for making time today, i appreciate your insights, as always. after the break, i will speak to harvard constitutional professor, laurence tribe. aurence tribe. it's kinda like having liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. woah! look out! [submarine rising out of water] [minions making noise]

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for debate, those who invaded our capitol and battled law enforcement for hours were motivated by what president trump told them, that the election was stolen, and that he was the rightful president. president trump summoned the mob, assembled the mob and lit the flame of this attack. >> let's bring in harvard university professor of constitutional law, laurence tribe. professor tribe, it is great to have you with us. what were your big takeaways from the committee's first primetime hearing? >> thank you for having, me ayman. i think the hearing set the

stage very powerfully for the conclusion, which will emerge, i hope, even those americans who sometimes avoid any network except fox come to see, and that is for the first time in the 246-year history of this country, we had a president of the united states who did not only organized and assemble a mob but laid the plains, a seven-part plan, as you carefully laid out, for overtaking the government of the united states. this was nothing like watergate. this was sedition gate. what emerged clearly from the hearings was that you don't almost overthrow the united states government by accident, or as the result of some mistaken belief that you won. the committee made a clear, and this was a major takeaway, that the presidents own daughter and

attorney general, everyone around him told him, mister president, there is -- a story that you legitimately one is bs and put into more dramatic and graphic terms by his attorney general. it became clear that it was not just the mobs that got out of control, there was a huge group of long before the president fired up that group. the proud boys who she told to stand by and stem back, and the oath keepers, had engaged in reconnaissance of the capital, with help of members of congress who acted, essentially, as insiders in the capital. they were there waiting for the group from the ellipse to arrive. when those reinforcements arrived, they became,

essentially, an army for strategic regions. they left a lot of the weapons back in virginia. make no mistake, this was an armed insurrection against the united states of america, not just the capitol building. so, the takeaway was the accountability is inevitable, and we have to prevent this from happening again. >> based on what you saw in the first hearing, what does the committee need to prove over the next few days? what do they need to build on to continue to flesh out the remaining questions that you have about that day, about those involved, about those that financed it? what do you want to see it go from here? >> i want to see them present the exact results based on their reached, dramatic conclusions. for example, when liz cheney made it clear that the president of the united states said that he had thought maybe it was a good idea to have his vice president assassinated, to

have that gallows put to use, i would like to know who overheard the president say that. when liz cheney made it clear that various things happened, i would like the details to be filled in. a lot of people say, all right, if this is true, we cannot have this guy running around free, but i want to be sure, on the basis of the concrete evidence, i would like to see that evidence rolled out in a way that is just absolutely irrefutable. that is what it looks like will happen. >> professor tribe, i'm not sure if you caught by interview with congresswoman omar, one of the things that she described was that this january six hearing was the prosecutor basically making the argument to the grand jury, the grand jury being the department of justice. one person watching these hearings, very closely by his own admissions, is attorney general merrick garland. based on what you heard so far, based on what the committee signals to come, do you believe that it would be enough to

prove a conspiracy and bring charges against president trump? >> i believe and i do know merrick garland well, he was a student of mine. he is very careful and meticulous. i believe that he will conclude that the evidence is absolutely strong enough to convict the president beyond reasonable doubt, or at least four major federal felonies. even before that happens, i think fani willis, the district attorney of georgia will see that the easiest case to be made against the president involves the attempt to temper with the georgia elections, with the infamous call to raffensperger. as far as merrick garland is concerned, i think that the evidence is certainly there. what he has to do is make a difficult choice. a lot of people think that it is easy underestimate the existential significance of indicting a former president of the united states. the grand jury, before which

the committee presented its case, is the american people. the grand jury before which merrick garland will need to present a case is a group of ordinary citizens in washington, d.c.. well he will have to decide, because what many people are telling him it will cause deeply violent reaction, may be civil war for the popular, former president to be indicted, he will have to do is ask whether the cost to the country, in terms of having this repeat itself, and in terms of having us go absolutely the tubes as a democracy, whether those outweigh the undoubted complicated cost of indicting a former president. that is the balance that i think he will be struggling with. but if i know merrick garland, and i think i do, i don't think he will have any doubt that the evidence is there to show that donald trump, beyond reasonable doubt, was part of a seditious

next conspiracy and inciting insurrection, and committed fraud against the united states, and committed a number of serious federal crimes. the evidence will be there. the judgment call is one that i hope attorney general will make with a view to the long future of this country, because we do not have much feature, if a president like this one is ultimately not held accountable. >> yeah, well, all eyes will be on the department of justice in the coming days and weeks. professor laurence tribe, always a pleasure, thank you for your time. >> thank you for having me. >> still ahead, donald trump knew that his voter fraud claims were lies, and the january six committee proved it. rator and hauling away your old one. you're binging the latest true crime drama. while the new double oven you financed is taking care of dinner and desert. you're remembering how to tie a windsor. and while your washer is getting out those grass stains.

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children, literally his inner circle, everyone knew that trump's claim for voter fraud were lies, and the january six committee set out to prove that trump himself knew what he was saying were lies. >> donald trump was at the center of this conspiracy and, ultimately, donald trump, the president of the united states, spurred a mob of domestic enemies of the constitution to march down the capitol and subvert american democracy. >> i made it clear that i did not agree with the idea of saying that the election was stolen and putting out this stuff, which i told the president was bs. i did not want to be a part of it. >> did that affect your perspective about the election when general bill barr made that statement? >> it affected my perspective. i respect attorney general barr, so i accepted what he was saying.

>> i remember a call with mr. meadows, where mr. meadows was asking me why i was finding, and if i was finding anything. i remember sharing with him that we were not finding anything that would be sufficient to change the results and any of the key states. >> one was that conversation? >> probably in november, mid to late november, i think it was before my child was born. >> what was mr. meadows reaction to the information? >> i believe that the words he used were so there is no, they're there. >> there is no doubt that president trump was aware of the violence, as it developed. white house staff urged trump to intervene and call off the mob. here is a document written while the attack was underway by a member of the white house staff, advising with the president needed to say, quote, anyone who entered the capitol

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influencing a lot of people, members of the public, that there was this systemic, corruption in the system and that their votes didn't count, and that these machines controlled by somebody else were actually determining it, which was complete nonsense. >> we were having an amazing conversation there during the break. we were going to break into the commercial to start it, that's outside if we were. joining me now is david corn of mother jones, symone sanders, the host of simone on msnbc, and the former chief spokesperson of kamala harris, cynthia alksne and glenn kirschner, both federal prosecutors and msnbc legal analysts. guys, let's pick it up where we were. we were talking about all eyes on the department of justice and where this goes from there. i will start with you, i don't want to put words in your mouth, you are a pessimists -- >> i am the big pessimists. i admit it. i would say that it is raining, and things will never happen. i am very concerned that the

attorney general is so conservative and so protective of the department of justice that he is paralyzed. that is where i am. i will say this, because the subpoena had gone out in the elector case, and they are beginning to act's questions of the electors, it drives me crazy that they are not at the grand jury yet, but these big subpoenas have begun. the only way to investigate that case is to discover that eastman plotted that. as you do those questions and ask about eastman, would us that he do? he is the one that comes out with the pence pressure campaign. i think that the snowball effect won't require the department of justice to do something. the snowball's work is me a little optimism and puts a little smile on my face for the first time. >> okay, you raised good questions. let me bring it to you about what you are saying to the general six committee on thursday. but your measure, you know d.c. better than i do, it was not the traditional, boring

hearing. >> the quality of congressional hearings has really gone down for the most part over the last few decades. they are grandstanding, they don't get to the point by not having all the members giving grant speeches, by putting forth the bullet points in terms of what witnesses tell them turned depositions, all that, it was really like an opening argument in a prosecutor's case. these guys over here will know how you have to be concise, tight and really tell a story in a way that is easy for the jury or 20 million people watching to absorb. i thought that they did a good job keeping up. to cynthia's point, there are overlapping conspiracies to overturn the election that donald trump and others were engaged in. it has been hard for the public to fully get that, particularly, as all the propaganda and disrupt formation comes from the trump side. but they told us on thursday night, is that what they would

do over the next few weeks is walk through the way a prosecution would, seven different conspiracies overlapping and make the case that there is reason to at least think about criminal prosecution in some of these. i think that it will be an eye-opener for a lot of people watching. >> through that point, glenn, the attorney general merrick garland, what do you think that he's thinking right now? did the committee -- and we still have a lot more hearings to cover, so to speak, and the questions posed, but the attorney general said that he will be watching these hearings, all eyes are on him. do you feel that they made a strong compelling argument of the gate to take notice of the evidence in a case for criminally prosecuting trump? >> i thought that it was a strong opening statement by the committee. i will balance cynthia's pessimism with a little bit more optimism. i thought that it was an interesting tactical choice to start with bill barr ray of the box. i would not have guessed that would be the first piece of videotape testimony that we would see that was shrewd

technically. for two reasons, one, he is a republican voice. we heard from several republican voices calling out a republican former president. that will help blunt the force of criticism, that this is and partisan endeavor, it is not. the second reason is that bill barr was such a good choice, there is only one very tiny question that remains open. with donald trump to? we saw the actions that he took, we saw him give a speech that incited the angry mob to march on the capitol, he committed those acts. but people say, well, you have to prove criminal intent. that is why they offered bill barr up for us. bill barr said that i walked in there, mister president, your claim that the election was stolen, your claim of election fraud is bs. that lays to rest donald trump 's criminal intent because no one i have ever prosecuted interviewers said that i will

conduct myself and engage in criminal acts, by the way, i have criminal intent, we infer intent by statements and circumstances. it was a strong opening. >> i was not just bill barr. it was also jason miller, who is a real trumpian, who said that he was in the room when the then president told him that it gives up there, you did not win the election. building this case that donald trump knew, therefore, he misled his supporters, anyway, tua became an attack on the united states capitol. >> can i build on that? this is my only criticism about the hearing. that is that it starts out on this criminal intent issue. that is the key. and then it jumps to january six. maybe it is that i am norwegian, but i am all about chronology. >> i don't know the reference to norwegian -- >> we are very linear -- [laughs] we don't jump around, we are

always linear. to me, instead of spending the back out of the hearing with that wonderful police officer who made me cry, i would have preferred that they spent the time going through -- because it was not just barr, it was not just stephen miller and ivanka, it was from the department of homeland security, it was simple one, it was everybody at the justice department that told him it was bs. everything -- does have been live witnesses. that is the beginning other conspiracy -- >> [inaudible] >> we have to watch episode one, episode two -- >> it is a piece of one, that is my point. you have 20 million people. >> you have to get them a motion, and that is what the officer provided. she engaged in hand hancock -- that >> i know she did, we all seen -- >> but why? because donald trump would not send reinforcements to the capitol, and he would not call

off his attack -- >> do not forget that the threat is ongoing. i think spending all that time building a case, if you will, because they also have to remind the american people why this was important. i think this was not just an accounting of what happened, the threat of why it was real and not neutralize that day. >> can i jump in real quick -- [laughs] >> i am so happy that we are having this conversation. i do want to go back to what you said during the break about maryland. i was going to say, do you not think that he's up to the task that we find ourselves in this country? >> merrick garland was an amazing judge. he was a very talented and skilled leader at the department of justice, but he is very apolitical. his most non political person you could have found to do this drop, part of the reason why president biden picked him, to build back up the department of justice, after it was torn down by president trump. the reality is that because he is so a political, i find it

hard to believe that merrick garland -- let's say that donald trump says that he is running for reelection -- >> as early as the summer -- >> marilyn, are you going to be willing to indict a former president of united states are now a candidate for office again? the former attorney general, eric holder, says that he thinks there is evidence there. i am thoughtful, okay? prove me wrong, please, sir. >> we will squeeze in a quick break. right after the break, we will have a conversation. still ahead, house republicans beg trump for a presidential pardon at the january six. we will talk about what that means. why would they need a pardon if they thought that their actions were legal? on were legal but, at upwork, we found him. he's in adelaide between his color-coordinated sticky note collection and the cutest boxed lunch we have ever seen. and you can find him right now on upwork.com when the world is your workforce, finding the perfect project manager, designer, developer, or whomever you may need... tends to fall right into place.

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conservatives who cared more about winning, then about their own country. >> on december 18th, 2020, a group including general michael flynn, sydney powell, rudy giuliani, and others visited the white house. they stayed late into the evening. we know that the group discussed a number of dramatic steps, including having the military seize voting machines, and potentially re-run elections. you will also hear that president trump met with that group along for a period of time, before stop discovered the group was there and rushed to intervene. a little more than an hour after miss powell, mr. giuliani, general flynn, and the others violently left the white house, president trump sent the tweet on the screen now telling people to come to washington on january 6th. be there, he instructed them.

we will be wild. representative scott perry who was also involved in trying to get clark appointed as attorney general has refused to testify here. as you will see, representative perry contacted the white house in the weeks after january 6th to seek a presidential pardon. multiple other republican congressman also saw presidential pardons for their roles in attempting to overturn the 2020 election. in our country, we do not swear a north to an individual, or a political party. we take our oath to defend the united states constitution. and that oath must mean something. tonight, i say this to my republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible. there will come a day where donald trump is gone. but your dishonor will remain. >> all right. our all-star panel, simone sanders, glenn kirschner, cynthia, all with us after the break. don't go anywhere.

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republicans conflate donald trump with oprah after january 6th? you know the reference. you get a party! you get a party! you get a party! what do you make of it? they are handing out pardons left right and center. it is an indication that you are doing something wrong, you are doing something illegal,

let alone wrong if you are asking for a pardon. >> i never had to ask for a pardon. i think what is very telling is thought he tweeted some version of, this is an absolute lie! i am like honey, you had an opportunity to testify, and declined. so don't say it on twitter when you couldn't say it underwrote. and that should be very telling to so many people. why not testify? because, do you have something to hide? do not want to get in trouble and get caught up? it is very, very concerning. >> what do you make of these republicans generally, with the state of the republican party, and everything that has happened between the hearing and the revelations? >> it still remains a trump party. a cult of personality, as many have said. i am on all of the email list for all of the different republican organizations republican candidates, and the two days, fundraising, up but they literally, january 6th is just a plot. it is a democratic plot, this didn't happen, trump is still pushing the big lie, he is calling his own daughter a liar

now and liz harrington who is his spokesperson now, he has really hit the bottom of the barrel in terms of personnel, she was out there today saying january 6th is a communist committee. i mean, how bad of a position to have to be into trump thought, i don't even know what that means. they are out there again, just -- the only mission of the republican party now is trump. they do not care about policy, principles, it is just trump. so if he is threatened by the january 6th, and the party is threatened that way, they are either just lying there backsides, off and that is with the party is all about. >> glenn, if and when the committee hands over, decides to hand over his evidence to the doj, can the revelation that republicans were seeking a pardon from the white house matter to the doj? >> somebody requesting a pardon is like incriminating information from heaven.

so, listen, you only ask for a pardon if you have a consciousness of guilt and you know you did something wrong. let me take on the common refrain, maybe these were just prophylactic pardons, i think i may have coined that phrase, because i know the dems are going to corruptly, wrongfully tried to prosecute me for things i did not do. ten judges out of ten, you know how they would rule if you tried that in court? they would say, that is the kind of argument you make to a jury. the prosecutor gets to argue, it shows their consciousness of guilt, that you know you committed a crime, and the defense can argue to the jury, no not really. i like the prosecutor's odds on that one. >> one of my favorite moments in the committee hearing was jared kushner saying that he was not paying too much attention to the attempt to overthrow the election. why, jarrett? you are too busy working trying to get pardons for the republicans. listen to the soundbite, watch this. >> are you aware of instances where pat cipollone threatened

to resign? >> i kind of, like i said, my interest at that time was trying to get as many pardons done. and i know that he was always, him and the team were always saying, we are going to resign, we are not going to be here if this up, and if that happens. so i kind of took it up to just be whining, to be honest with you. >> so tell me, cynthia, is that one of those, you say the quiet part outline? i was trying to get pardons. >> yeah. it is an incredible display of arrogance. it is also -- there is a cowardice, and a refusal to care for the country that is displayed in that. why don't you care about the country? if you and ivanka have decided, or ivanka at least, they have decided there is really nothing to it, why are they not doing something for the country? and you know, now it is all chic to say, pence saved america. you know what? if he really wanted to save america, his butt would be in the hearing room, and he would be telling us what happened.

and all of these people who walked away, and are not telling us what happened, i am offended by that. they should be standing up for the country. we are in big trouble. >> i am just as medicine to is. i am glad, because i am pissed. i did a podcast the other day, and someone said mike pence was making all of the decisions. at that point, donald trump wasn't even commander-in-chief, that is what we learned from the hearing. and i was, like no. donald trump was the commander in chief. and he took an oath just like everyone else took an oath to defend the american people, to uphold the constitution, in these foreign and domestic. when the domestic enemies came to our doorstep, the 45th president of the united states of america did not defend us. that is what it is. >> because the domestic enemies were his allies. >> he refuses to tell us about it. the vice president is hiding behind lawyers. and it is offensive. it is his obligation to take care of this country, and instead he is off somewhere, trying to run for president.

and that is more important to him. and we should not let him off the hook, not today, not tomorrow, not the next. >> come on cynthia! come on, no! >> i think one of the key points in that, with donald trump, often the worst thing is known. and he has his way of trying to turn things around, and you have to prove something even worse than the worst. so in the russia scandal, he aided unabated the russian attack, but he said you have to show that i am colluding, by doing nothing on the day of january 6th, that was part of the plan. he saw the plan working. he did not do nothing just because he did nothing, he wanted to stop the certification. everything, all of the different pods that we have heard about, all came down to stopping the certification. and he saw that was happening, and i think in the days ahead, the committee is going to make it quite visceral that he was basically rubbing his hands in glee, saying it is all

happening. you know, it is all happening, this is great. even if he didn't plan the violence himself, he was exploiting, it and taking advantage of it. >> i was going to, say the demeanor of jared kushner and ivanka, you know, they acted so tough in the public for the last four years. then you kind of see their demeanor in those hearings. >> it's because you are under oath, honey. they are watching you. you have the fbi watching. it is very different. >> symone sanders, david corn, glenn kirschner, cynthia alksne, we learned something about norwegians, they're always linear, always all-time. we very much appreciated. our special coverage of the first public hearing of the january six committee continues, and we now want to turn our focus to the human toll of the riot. as we heard it from capitol police officers, caroline edwards who is at the capitol complex when it was breached by the trump mob. video footage that was played during the hearing showed the moment that officer edwards was attacked. and this is how she described it. >>