breaking news about a tentative framework agreement out of the senate on gun safety legislation. my colleague alex witt in new york takes it from here. a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome everyone to alex witt reports. very busy day, breaking news from capitol hill. just moments ago a bipartisan group of senators announcing a framework deal on combatting gun violence. now with some breaking details, analogy roughest joining us from capitol hill. jimmy alcindor is in wilmington, delaware covering the president. hallie, we will go to you first. what do you know about this? as i look at my details, i see nine different proposals. i will say i do not see anywhere two words, being assault weapons. >> that is right, alex. there are several things that are not included in this

proposal which was announced just a few minutes ago. press release was sent out by senator chris murphy's office. he is the senator that has been leading this effort for almost ten years now since the sandy hook shooting. he says a group, a bipartisan group, ten republican and ten democratic senators have come to a resolution, an agreement in principle on this proposal. i will read a couple of the details that are included in this proposal to you now. one thing is incentives for states to implement those red flag laws that would allow weapons to be taken away from people deemed to be a danger to themselves or others. enhanced background checks for people between ages of 18 and 21. one source tells our team that a new system will be set up for this age group that does not exist for any other age group in the u.s.. it would require gun sellers to check with local law enforcement before being allowed to sell a firearm to that age group. as well as more funding for

school security and mental health. a provision is also included that addresses the boyfriend loophole on domestic violence. there is also clarification on who gets to apply for a federal firearm license there is also penalty for straw purchases for when a firearm was able to be purchased -- for someone who is illegally to purchase one. this proposal is more ambitious than expected there are several of the provisions in this proposal we did not know were being so seriously looked at in fact, were seriously were on the table. i am going to read you a quote from senator murphy in his press release that he sent out. he says, the centers have come to a quote common sense bipartisan proposal to protect america's children, keep our schools safe, and reduce the threat of violence across our country. families are scared, and it is our duty to come together and get something done that will help restore their sense of safety and security in their

communities. our plan saves lives also protecting the constitutional rights of law-abiding americans. we look forward to earning broad, bipartisan support in passing our common sense proposal into law. the big question now, alex, is how soon this can be drafted into a proposal. when this could be taken up to the floor for a vote. house majority leader steny hoyer actually addressed this earlier this morning. take a listen! >> ali apparently we are still waiting to get that soundbite cut for you to use. again, nine proposals you have gone through them this is all on the fly. literally just coming down right now. when it comes to the amount of time that congress has left in session, to put this into written legislation, proposing, take a vote. beyond just this committee -- how much time is left before

their big summer break? >> we have that huge august recess coming up. before the senators left for this weekend they said they hoped to get a vote done by the fourth of july. we heard senate majority leader chuck schumer on thursday say he has been waiting for this group of senators to come to some sort of an agreement. he says that whenever they do have one he is ready to put this on the senate floor for a vote, as soon as that does happen, alex. >> ali, we are going to keep following this. we will go right now from capitol hill to yamiche alcindor who's following the president in wilmington, delaware. yamiche let's talk about the president his reaction to this new proposal and how this connects the dots to what he has hoped would always happen. >> well alex, the president, from wilmington, delaware, has released a statement saying he is in favor of this i want to read you part of the statement. it does tell you that the white house, while it doesn't get everything it wanted, they are

liking what they are seeing. i will read part of it now. from president biden. quote, i want to thank senator chris murphy and members of his bipartisan group especially sanders cornyn, sinema, until it's, for their tireless work to produce this proposal. obviously did not do everything i think that is needed but it does step in the right direction. it will be the most significant gun safety legislation to pass congress in decades. with bipartisan support, there are no excuses for delay and no reasons why it should not quickly move through the senate and the house. each day that passes more children are killed in this country. the sooner comes to my desk the sooner i can sign a, and the sooner we can use these measures to save lives. there you have the president saying, act quickly! this is a framework that absolutely can become law if it gets to the presidents desk. i should tell you, of course, while this president does do a lot of things the democrats and republicans have been talking about, it is not a ban on assault weapons. president biden did say he wanted to see that. he also said very clearly that if you cannot get to a ban on assault weapons, please do

something! this is that something the president had been urging lawmakers to try to force this pain into action as this emotional testimony on the hill, including the 11-year-old survivor from uvalde, texas. everyone in the station can't get out of their mind. talking about smearing blood on her body in order to survive. it is that kind of emotion that really has pushed lawmakers to feel a sense of urgency. this is something we did not see after so many other mass shootings. including, the worst one the worst school shooting in u.s. history, sandy hook elementary. we did not see this kind of movement after that. it is of course very significant, alex, on this sunday morning from wilmington one hunted percent, absolutely is. to your point of salt weapons, yamiche, not being part of this deal. you've done a lot of reporting on this. watching you get this all together with what we are reading on nbc news. was there one of these nine points in particular that stood out, to you, they came as a surprise? a positive one i'm presuming?

something the said, okay, they went there i did not expect that. >> enhanced background checks is really interesting because while they did not raise the limit on -- the age limit, rather, on getting an assault rifle the fact the republicans and democrats could get together and say we have to change how people are accessing these guns. how young people between the ages of 18 and 21 are able to get guns. that tells me that there was a real sense that something needed to change, especially when it comes to younger americans and what they are doing with guns. that is really interesting to me. i think it's really interesting that there are red flag laws. we've been hearing for weeks that red flag laws might be something. to really hear it in print! alex, the biggest surprise to me is this is even coming together. that there even is a public acknowledgment from democrats and republicans in the senate that they can come together and change the way we act with guns in this country. >> okay, yamiche thank you for that.

allie raffa, thank you as well. i would like you both to stand by if you could, please. i will be joined right now by pennsylvania congresswoman longines, -- we will talk about a few things on this very busy sunday relative to this what are your thoughts on the senate deal, in principle at least do you think this is a case of democrats abandoning the so-called perfect for the? good andoning and is imperfect, in td form good enough for you? >> good enough for you. it is a good morning. i am cautiously delighted over this breakthrough. i don't look at the perfect i look at the action. america for decade has called upon congress both the senate and the house, as well as the white house, to do something about the daily slaughter on our streets. finally after decades the senate is acting. you saw that we in the house acted very swiftly.

had an emergency meeting of the judiciary committee. moved our legislation to the floor passed it out of the house, multiple pieces of gun safety reform, including red flag laws finally, finally, what we have been crying out for is the senate to come together in a bipartisan way to save lives i am delighted with this breakthrough cautiously optimistic that we will pass it quickly remember how quickly we passed aid for ukraine when we understand the crisis, we can act quickly. i am very delighted >> i am going to join you in being pleased that all of this has happened. i will say after all the years of covering congress from this particular anchor desk, i have to ask about whether you worry this will give republicans license to say, see? we've done something about gun violence. and then never revisit the issue. particularly revisiting the limits on the actual weapons, assault weapons, like the ar-15

i don't i assume will -- they will rest on this legislation, please god that it passes. that will not stop the american people calling for stronger and stronger gun measures. measures that save lives, not interfere with the second amendment right to possess a weapon via, which will save lives. buffalo, uvalde, taught a such despicable things about our gun culture in this world, in this country. not this world this country this is a uniquely american scourge. children's lives that were lost, the shoppers in the grocery store, that is just too extraordinarily horrific episodes, the lives lost must not be in vain. the children, who for the rest of their lives will be traumatized by seeing their friends blown to pieces, they're terrible experience must not be in vain. i don't worry that it is this

and we are done. we will continue to act, it is our responsibility and our duty to protect the lives of our children. again, i am cautiously delighted. i wanted to tell you something, alex, these past few weeks i've been talking to anybody and everybody about measures to move forward. stop just hearts and prayers. actions are what matters. to a person, whether was a person sitting in our nine hour heat -- or an advocate who has been working on this for 25 years, two other lawmakers, every one of us said, this time feels different i see that it will be different. >> this proposal as i look at it, nine important points. however with the cars are you confident implementing these nine would have prevented buffalo or uvalde? there is no provision on limiting age on gun purposes from 18, pumping it up to 21.

>> certainly you saw in the house we passed moving the age to 21. in direct response to buffalo you've all day, and other mass shootings by people under 21 years of age with an assault style weapon. what is in here is enhanced background for that kind of purchaser. it's incremental, it is not enough, but it would reveal in their juvenile records and the kind of backgrounds. it looked like from the case in uvalde, there would have been some ability to have seen into his background. same with buffalo. these are steps in the right direction, enhanced background checks. let's remember the absurd carve out in this country, an 18 year old can buy an assault style weapon. he cannot legally by a pistol, a handgun. this is a absurd, outdated, outmoded loophole. this is a first step in

recognizing our problem where we allow 18-year-olds to buy weapons of war. i've talked to police chiefs, police officers, they don't want to be outgunned like this. they don't want to go into a classroom with an 18 year old with an assault style weapon. this is an important step. not everything, but a step forward. take a look at the background of this would be shooter, frankly. why is an 18 year old seeking an assault weapon? what does his past, his social media, reflect? >> particularly with regard to the epidemic of guns and violence here in the country. it seems that at best we can expect incremental steps forward. this is a good, solid, incremental step forward. are you compliment -- it will get the ten republican senators it needs to be passed into legislation? >> i am confident. i don't believe they would so publicly reveal the results of

their negotiations if they did not have solid support for all nine of the measures that have been sketched out. it would be an extraordinary embarrassment for the entire senate, a shame on the senate, if somehow they say this on a sunday and then can't get it done on a monday. >> madeleine dean, thank you so much. i would like to ask you to stay where you are. i will ask you a little bit about the 01-06 hearings, i thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on this breaking news. i'm joined now by chris brown, president of brady. chris, what are your thoughts on the senate deal? at least in principle. again, i asked this of the congresswoman, it's this a case of good enough? it's good enough good enough for democrats? the idea that perfect is the enemy of the good is it good enough? >> [inaudible] chris, i'm having trouble hearing you.

can you pump up your volume? there we go, a little better. even more. >> can you hear me? now. >> all good. >> thank you. this is a really important first step. i believe in agree with everything that representative dean just told you about this package. but look, we have not had the second act in a bipartisan manner on our issue of gun violence in about 30 years. so the fact that ten republican senators and ten democratic senators have come forward to announce this package is, frankly, some important stuff. things like closing the boyfriend loophole. actually providing funding for state to to implement these extreme risk -- and enhanced background checks. i would points to those three provisions as being really very meaningful. of course, the devil is in the details. but i agree also with representative dean. the fact that this is announced as a framework on a sunday, i

do not think we are going to see people backing away from this. and you can be sure that for us as a movement, this is about folks listening to the american people. the most significant part of this for me is that the gun industry has had a stranglehold on actions to save lives, for really 30 years at the federal level in the united states senate. voter said in 2018 in 2020, we have had enough. they elected a gun violence prevention majority to the house of representatives. and our issue, the gun violence prevention movement, this is a huge day for us and for common sense change to end the epidemic of gun violence. so i am very excited about it. >> and iowa as well. we'll be disappointed to you this way. based on what you are talking about, how it has taken forever today for congress to get here, are you at all words that what will happen now is republicans will say, we have done something about gun violence, we don't want to revisit this?

particularly revisiting the limits on actual weapons, assault rifles, and bringing the overall age of purchase up to 21. those two things are not addressed. >> you are right. we are not getting everything. i think the fact that the senate is acting on this issue, it is really a watershed moment. here is how i look at it. after sandy hook, may ma fear sold the lie that it takes to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. ten senators today are rejecting that lie. and you can't back off with that when you rejected. they are embracing measures that actually ignored, this is about the health -- firearms. something all americans. no it is not the. and states recognize this too. this is what we have 19 states to enact extreme risk laws. this is the beginning, not the end. >> buffalo and uvalde, giving the shootings and the weapons

that they have used, this would not address what happened in those two situations. >> i am not sure entirely if that is true. we have to look at the package. number one, it is providing better funding for extreme risk laws. it is not just about passing the laws, alex. it is also, we know that they are in existence. who is able to go get those extreme risk laws. that is the first thing. it is also, with respect to the enhanced backgrounds on folks 18 to 21, we really have to see the mechanics of that. i would also say this, though. we lose 100 people a day in this country to gun violence. we need a compliment of solutions, in this will certainly save lives. it is always hard to prove a negative, alex. but the -- lots of has topped 4 million sales of guns to dangerous people. this would help enhance that, and it is very important. >> that is true. there is direct legislation potential here. one of these permissions will

do this that. president, brady chris brown, thank you so much for weighing in on this breaking news. back to yamiche child's, or you forget report on this. i will have my director josh put up on screen so people can take a look at this. but for those that may be just joining us, give me a button up a look at this. and what has been accomplished by this bipartisan group of senators, and what happens next. >> great that you ask, alex. i'm gonna walk through a bit of what is in this framework for people so they understand what is in it. first it is incentives for states to implement red flag laws, not giving it to people deemed a risk to themselves. also enhanced background checks for americans aged 18 to 25 years old. funding here for. health funding here for school safety. also some issues that are going to be addressed in what they call the boyfriend loophole, which is regarding domestic violence. this is senators coming

together and, saying hey, we know that we cannot pass at this point a full ban on assault weapons. but we can come together into some fundamental things that will change the way that americans access guns in this country, after we saw these high-profile mass shootings, including the second deadliest shooting in our country. 19 people, 21 people in total. but 19 students killed in uvalde, texas. this tells you that lawmakers really are feeling the urgency here. and hearing so many americans have been saying that congress needs to deal with these life and death issues. so that is a framework. -- i would tell, you know right now, a bill written. it is also unclear many senators will sign on to this. but this framework abounds on sunday morning. with republicans and democrats putting their names in print. that tells you that there really is movement in a way that we have not seen in the past. >> how quickly, is the question though. give me a timeline, yamiche. we have thousands upon

thousands marching yesterday, clamoring for this, four years after parkland. the march for our lives, again, rallies. this comes your point. it is monday tomorrow. everybody is back at work. will they be addressing this and moving this through congress at that point? what do you think the timing will turn it to be? >> in talking to my sources, the sense that it is that they want to move quickly on this. congress is really good at doing nothing, and when there is this framework now, people do not want to lose the momentum that senators have right now. we heard from president biden his statement saying, the sooner you can pass the sooner i can sign it and the sooner we can save lives. so that is the white house telling congress, please move quickly on this. hurry let's not miss this moment. my understanding, though, of course, is that things are not done until they are actually done. and the fact we do not have ability eats tells me that this is going to take a little bit longer to really hammer this out. it is also going to be a little bit longer to see exactly which

senators, especially on the republican side, which ones will stand up and say, yes, i am for this. we've already seen some other lawmakers who went a step further, asking about assault weapons bans, saying that she recently that we saw. at least one republican, chris jacobs, lost the momentum in the backing of the republican party. he is not running for reelection of her speaking out against the shooting in buffalo, new york. there is a lot of politics at play here. a lot of high stakes issues for republicans, their relationship with their constituency. but again it is this moment where you have seen a colossal change in what has been going on in congress. and lawmakers are feeling the pressure on that. >> yamiche, alcindor, think you for that. we'll ask you to stay on standby until the clearing. this week we might not. -- antonia is standing by for us. this is great news.

and neither must be hard for those who have been directly affected by the tragedy that happened almost three weeks ago. too late for them to avoid the hard work and the permanent loss in their lives of their children, their teachers, the people within the community. have you gotten any reaction to that? what kind of reaction do you expect to this news? >> we have not gotten the reaction to that quite yet. frankly, the news is not really trickle down here. folks who are out and about this morning here are spending their time at one of the two main memorial sites, still grieving over these lost children into beloved teachers here, alex. i think that every single day that i've been here i've consistently heard people say that they want action on gun control. which leads me to expect that people will be pleased by this news. there is this sense of extreme anger, extreme hard right now. whatever happens is not going to change much for this community. there is a sense of that here.

this is a very tight-knit and small community. the loss of these 19 kids is going to change them forever. and so i think the anger that they have toward their local police chief, the school district here, also extends all the way up to the leadership of our country. and there is definitely a sense there on the ground that people fell to them. there is not really. much the can being the bring these children's lives back. the focus on his conversations answers to this investigation into local police departments actions that day. i think the for the people here, and the sense of closure, any sense of completion here is going to come from better answers from the investigation which is happening locally from their state lawmakers, from the department of justice right now. those are the answers people here tell me they are really seeking, alex. >> i can imagine. i know you've spoken with these people with the camera on, and got some reporting on us.

let's ask josh, our director, to roll the reaction to how those folks in uvalde are still feeling. to all the developments as well, in the last one half weeks. so josh, let's play. that thank you. >> if i had to prove it, finally indoor, and they push bullets through, it they can be kicked in. these people are lying. they were scared of doing their duty. everybody wants to talk about, that they don't get in the door, you will kick in the door! shoot the -- and they will open! i want you gone. it was on duty that day. get the hell out of -- uvalde. >> there is such anger. understandably so. >> the gentleman we just met there, he is the father of one of the victims. he lost one of his two twin girls. and he is, as you can see there,

incredibly angry. he is one of the voices here in the town saying that not just the chief pete arredondo, needs to go, but every officer who is in the hallway that today. so you can see there, it is just an immense loss. nothing at this point is going to feel better for him. other than to see accountability here at the local level. so i think that what people again support there being this change at the national level, accountability is really the key to people here feeling like they're going to be able to move forward. he has been out of the town square, talking to people, supportive owes his. carrying signs asking arradondo to resign. there is a real sense here now, two weeks after the murder of these children and these teachers, that action needs to be taken. and the folks who were involved in the hallway that day, when i've heard from some folks alex is, they can't show their face. don't come here into town until there are better answers. until some actions are taken, or you have resigned. because that point that is the only thing that is going to

make people, like the father just met there, feel a little bit better. >> we will see if there is any accountability to be had there. in that small community of uvalde. and we are going to see how we feel as more trickles down about what we are getting from this bipartisan group of senators, on these nine points they are putting forward, and hoping to have debate on a bring into law. antonio, thank you for that. we'll see more of you no doubt. a lot to you on that we've got the statement from mitch mcconnell, senate minority leader. let's take a listen to what he says. it reads as follows. i am glad senators corman and murphy are continuing to make headway in their discussions. i appreciate their hard work on this important issue. for the principles they announced today, show the value of dialogue and cooperation. i continue to hope that their discussions leah yield a bipartisan product that makes significant headway on key issues, like mental health and school safety. respect to the second amendment. earns bronson port in the senate. and makes a difference for our

country. so. yamiche alcindor, as promised, we did not let you go. let us know if you think these words will ring hollow and some republicans, or if they are going to follow the words of their leader. where he specifically says, i hope it earns broad support in the senate and makes a difference for the country. first up, broad support in the senate. >> well, alex, it is really interesting. mitch mcconnell here, senate minority leader, is saying that he supports the negotiations. but he is not saying i support this framework. his name is also not on the release. although there are ten republicans listed the supporting the framework, which tells you that it seems as though right now, if this turned into law, which of course, the details need to be, workout it could pass the senate. that being, said nothing will pass the senate without the support of mitch mcconnell. so he is being very clear that while he is back in this, he wants to see more. that is why the timing of this, the momentum of this, and the details, alex, are so critical.

here it is interesting that he says he hopes that something comes to fruition. that there is actually a bill here. and again, i have to just underscore, as someone who is covered only mass shootings around this country, including in sandy hook elementary school, we saw those small children murdered. we did not hear this kind of talk after that. we did not hear lawmakers being able to put out press releases saying here are the things that we can change when it comes to access to assault warrants and access to guns in this country. so mitch mcconnell is clearly being cautious in his statement, it is also telling me still that his party, the republicans, are willing to work with democrats on an issue that they've not wanted to work with them on for decades. yeah, okay yamiche thank you so much for all of that. this first breaking news half hour. for all of you just joining us, we want to reiterate what is happening. we are getting word that the bipartisan group of senators who have been working on a level of proposals to reach some kind of gun reform in this country, they have hit nine key

points. reach this framework deal. we now know what will have to be presented to the greater senate body and see if, at least, ten republicans can cross over partisan lines that have been very firmly entrenched and established here, see if they will come on board and see. the timeframe has yet to be announced. we will presume they will certainly be discussion of this on capitol hill tomorrow. we give you a look at some of those nine items. we will continue to talk about that. right now, we have more breaking news to share. this is a story we are following for you today. the arrest of 31 people yesterday in couer d'alene, idaho. authorities say they are linked to a white nationalist group. they were booked on suspicion of conspiracy to riot at a pride event. let's go to abc news maggie vest by who is joining me now. maggie, what else have we learned about this at this hour. first of all pretty frightening stuff! >> alex, incredibly frightening. basically what we know at this point from police is those 31

suspected white nationalist, and as you said, packed into the back of a u-haul. carrying what's police called paperwork which was similar to an operations plan that a police or military group would have. in short, as you said, police in the small idaho town believe this group came to the pride festival to riot. >> pulled from a utah by idaho police with masks on their faces and slogans like reclaim america on their shirts. >> these guys stopped a u-haul full of dudes, maxed up -- >> authorities day 31 suspected white supremacist were lined up, zip tied, and charge saturday for conspiracy to riot. police reportedly pulling the group over blocks from a gay pride festival this after a citizen saw how they were dressed in call 9-1-1. >> they had shields, she'll girls, other right gear with them including at least one

smoke remained they came to riot downtown. >> the police chief noting the groups seem to be members of patriots front. dubbed a white hate group by the southern poverty law center. working with the fbi, they make that this crowd came from nearly a dozen states. texas, illinois, and virginia. this, as a mid pride month festivals play out across the country. potential violence at one thankfully supported. >> police in idaho working with the fbi said they were still overnight processing and booking all 31 suspects in this case, adding more charges could very well be coming. alex >> thank you maggie, thank you for that. we will pick up on this story and talk with ben collins, nbc news senior reporter. then, you spend a lot of time researching these extremist groups. first of all, what can you tell us about this group, patriot front. >> patriot front is one of the

groups that spawned from the diaspora of groups after charlottesville. a lot of these groups like vanguard america, split into pieces. some more militant than others. this is probably one of the more militant group, patriot front. they are effectively a neo-nazi, white supremacist group. they believe democracy is dead, the republic is over and needs to be taken over mostly by white men who associate other people. that is the point of patriot front. the point -- they have tried to ingratiate themselves to the mainstream right in ways that the problems have as well. they were at the same rally, yesterday. they were not taken out of a u-haul in the same way. but people on the mainstream right want nothing to do with this group. they were at an antiabortion rally a few months ago they were shouted down and told to go home by the antiabortion activists. this group has not had the same sort of impact. there are two big reasons. first of all they look very scary. they wear mask, you can't see

their faces. they march, they don't talk. they try to protect their own identity. second of all they are really easy to infiltrate. a lot of independent researchers who study fascist have been in their group, in their discords chats. previously outing a lot of these people. that is why a lot of these people on the right think that these people are the feds. there is just so easy to infiltrate, in part why -- it was so easy to tip them off yesterday. going around in a u-haul looking like this. they look like ridiculous cubans, they do the same thing each time. >> the couer d'alene police chief noted that most of these 31 arrested came from around the country. do you know how they organized? >> yes, they organize in group chats. they are from internet white supremacist culture. they are not necessarily tied to specific locations. some illusions are deeply embedded in the location where they are maybe the appalachia or something like that. that is not the case with this

group. this group spawned of the internet, far-right, post charlottesville. that group is all over the place in the united states. they organize in the same spaces online. these are not particularly hard to infiltrate. if you say you want to be a part of this thing, they will let you in. that has been their downfall so far. >> according to police, here is what they found. firearms, ban may, edge weapons, even a smoke grenade. all of these things legally acquired by the members of this group? >> a don't think we know yet, to be honest with you. this group is a violent group. it is based in violence. that is their plan. what we have seen recently by the way on the far-right is this obsession with trans people in the lgbtq movement. you have seen them, the proud boys as well, targeting things like drag queens story hours, things like that. i want to say, today is the six

year anniversary of the pulse nightclub shooting. this is only going to ratchet up extremist movements. it is not tied directly to specific religious movements or anything like that. it is tied to the idea of a changing culture. these things that people don't think they can control. they often think it is a winning political movement. it is a way for them, they believe, to ingratiate themselves into the mainstream. they want to do it violently. that is the big difference here. all of these groups, you know, they are being talked about in these january six hearing. proud boys, oath keepers, the three percenters, they have moved on fully to this culture war against the lgbtq movement. they have been targeting events during pride month. that is what we saw yesterday. >> yeah, it's only june 12th. we have a number of days yet to go in pride month. a number of activities and public expressions, certainly. let me ask you about the leader of patriot front. a guy named thomas rousseau.

what is his history with white nationalism and supremacist ideology? >> same deal here, you know? after charlottesville there was a group called vanguard america. they did a lot of planning prior to charlottesville. it was a coming out party for groups like the proud boys and all these other groups that had done small movements. organize more directly in those moments. afterwards, people got very afraid of the feds because they were being targeted by the feds. it makes a lot of sense. these groups finally being crackdown upon. one of those people who said we can build this movement separately. there are other groups, by the way, -- incredibly dangerous, violent groups much more explicitly open to terrorism, that helped spur their membership from charlottesville, as well. these groups are not

necessarily distinct. they are basically believe in the same thing. they are different in their brands of violence and how explicitly they talk about. this is often one of the top two years. patriot front is one of the group that at least wants to manage people with the threat of violence. that is what you saw yesterday >> last question, how many groups like this exist in the country, ballpark? >> oh man -- really good question, alex. some of them are a lot more hidden! some of them are old school, old-fashioned, militias literally meet up in cabins in the wooden stuff. there are more internet-based ones like this where membership is online. membership is based on message boards and really not much else that is the worry those things can grow exponentially. you don't even know it's happening until they go to these events and they tried to tear them down. >> ben collins, a frightening but necessary conversation. thank you so much for eliminating all of us on that.

from there to the latest in the january six investigation. tomorrow, the january 6th will reconvene for the second day of hearing. lederman is at the white house for a preview of what's happening. >> hey alex, the january six committee made some explosive allegations about former president trump's role on the january six, during their opening arguments last thursday. now is the chance to prove it. >> the january 6th committee gearing up for round two. the first hearing revealed new evidence that former president trump's inner circle told him directly that he lost the election. monday's hearing will focus on how trump ignored those facts. perpetrating the big lie. >> president trump engaged in a massive effort to spread false and fraudulent information to convince huge portions of the u.s. population that fraud had stolen the election from him. >> some 20 million people tuned in for the first hearing. a preview of dramatic

revelations the committee says are coming in the remaining hearings. including evidence that trump cabinet members discussed removing him from office including -- republican lawmakers involved in the big lie asked trump to pardon them after january six. chairman bennie thompson said we will soon learn exactly how many. >> that will come out in our hearings. >> among the expected witnesses former fox news political editor chris steyer wall. i was asked to testify, i have to go. >> his team in fox was first to call arizona for joe biden. infuriating trump and his allies. >> some people think that might have been called a little early. >> the january six committee picking up the pace this week. former acting attorney general jeffrey rosen set to testify wednesday on how department leadership should threaten to quit after trump pressured them to investigate baseless claims of fraud. former pike pence eggs visor -- on how trump tried to bully his

vice president into stopping congress from certifying the election. >> this morning, fresh signs that many republicans have already made up their mind. committee bice chair, liz cheney, a republican facing a backlash from gop voters of wyoming that may cost her job. >> alex, even though 800 people have been arrested now in connection with january 6th, almost all of them trump supporters. a new reuters ipsos spoil says 55% of republicans incorrectly believe it was left wing protesters, not trump supporters, who stormed the capitol. alex. >> thank you for that, a jam of a friend of this broadcast. pencil woman -- madeleine dean. the house financial services committee. spent a good chunk of her early afternoon with us, unexpectedly so. as we look at these three more january six committee hearing scheduled for this week, thursday night we learned the committee intends to prove a seven-part plan coordinated by

donald trump to violate the constitution and overturn the election. you were an impeachment manager in trump's second senate trial. how effective do you see the committee strategy? there to be with you again, thank you for having me. i find it extraordinarily effective. i was an impeachment manager. i know the workings of these committees the professionalism with which they come but i thought was interesting, and i was in the room for the first hearing last week i thought was interesting was they laid out the roadmap of where they are going, the narratives of this horrific story. they laid out two very important things, you just pointed one out. number one the president, former president, had a consciousness of the truth and once scott perry and others saw pardons there was a consciousness of their

responsibility. a consciousness of their criminality, that they went and wanted pardons. his closest advisers, including his family members, had told trump that he lost the election. despite that he engaged in a profoundly fraudulent way of diluting the american people. diluting them to the point of an ranging them to come to washington on january the 6th and march on their capital attempting to kill people to kill lawmakers mr. trump was involved in this, from even before the election! if you remember, we were watching calling out, mr. trump before the election, said that they would be fraud. he teed this up! he even had people like attorney general barr suggest before the election, that there would be fraud. obviously there was no fraud he lost deservedly that did not

stop him from incensing american people to attack our democracy. >> on the heels of that, i will get to scott perry in just the second committee member elaine gloria said he donald trump has met the threshold for impeachable behavior do you agree with that are these hearings and the overall work of the january six committee does it ultimately lead the doj to charging donald trump? if someone commits a crime, don't they get charged? >> i certainly hope so, i am an attorney in my past. i do believe that what we are showing is some of the highest crimes that are possible in this country of the highest crimes tha i don't think that yi thought there were possible. but certainly of all of this evidence, paying attention to him being investigated by the department of justice. this is an extraordinary moment. our democracy is at stake. and yes, at the highest levels,

including the former president, they must be charged. those who are culpable for part of this conspiracy must be charged and held to account. no one is above the law. we know that. and mr. trump must be held to account. >> liz cheney, to your earlier point, said the pennsylvania republican scott perry as well as several other republican congressman, asked for presidential parties after january six. i have a quote here that a spokesperson for perry called the allegations a soulless lie. however, if this information is true, isn't it a tacit admission of guilt? whilst with someone in a presidential pardon? >> it is. it is a consciousness of guilt to ask for a pardon. i think mr. perry might remember that this committee has interviewed more than 1000 witnesses. as 140,000 or more documents, emails, texts, and evidence.

they would not come out and say that if they did not have the goods. so mr. perry, watch out. this is going to be evidence of your consciousness over guilt. it will also reveal what was your participation. he was a part of connecting mr. trump to mr. eastman. in attempt to come up with this bogus plan, that was illegal and would have been criminal if mike pence had gone forward with it. or at least illegal and unconstitutional. so mr. perry and others, it will be interesting to see who else saw pardons. seeking a pardon means you recognize you did something wrong. >> plain and simple. we will let that be the exclamation point with her competitions today. madeleine, dina thank you. our panelist next, i'm gonna ask about this breaking news on the gun safety framework in congress. but, also if you haven't read it yet, you may have thought about it. this new york times article on whether the president should

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talk to your doctor or visit myplenity.com to learn more. at 49 past the hour we are showing you capitol hill. there is a reason for that, because in part of a momentous step taken by a bipartisan group of senators, they have come to a working framework involving nine specific points in the pursuit of some type of gun control legislation. it is a really wonderful day for those who have been looking for this for quite some time. although i will note that there is no mention of the words assault weapons, nor the prospect of bringing the age for the purchase of such a weapon up to the age of 21 years old, from where it stands now at 18. i am joined right now by my panel. diane call away, -- of the national action if. and susan -- and carlos camilo, former republican congressman from florida and an msnbc political

analyst. so, guys before we get into a book to talk about, which was the 16 hearings, i would start with the breaking news. , don yoga. first leaser points, which really focus on the support of mental health access, the telemedicine, be it supporting for the funding for that for children and families, so they can be identified. also looking into background checks for juveniles. which was not allowed to be done before now. really extensively. to be able to say, okay, you are juvenile? let's see if you can buy a gun. there are number of things in here. weigh in on what you know about this and how effective you think these things can be. >> hey, alex. it is always important that we say we have not read the bill yet. but we have seen or articles about the guilt bill. and we've also seen -- from the united states senate. i am not that excited about this. when it does is extend mental health resources to the state. and it says that states can carry its red flag laws, essentially, to keep guns out of the hands of people who the

court has deemed to a danger to themselves and others. this is not excite me a whole lot, because most of the people we have seen who have conducted these mass shootings, the courts never ruled on their mental state. also, we have enhanced background checks were people who are 18 to 21. those enhanced background checks absolutely stop at age 21. and there is nothing beyond age 21 keeping or altering these current states of unfettered access to these weapons of mass murder. so i am not really seeing a whole lot to be excited about here. another thing to be concerned about is the idea that all of this is administered through the states. i do not trust a ron desantis or greg abbott to use the spirit of these new regulations to curb access to these military style assault weapons. they don't even mention the word assault weapon, as you noticed. they should've been making mental health investments. republicans blocked that just within the last seven days of the united states senate. so this is actually my worst nightmare, because people like chris murphy and gloria booker, who know better, are signing on

to a bill which does some good things, but really does not go nearly far enough to curve the mass shootings we've been talking about for the last few weeks. frankly, the last several years. so this is really disappointing to me. >> okay. i totally hear you and why you feel that way. but let me ask you this, susan. the fact is we have seen what has been done in congress, in the wake of a spike of mass shootings. i mean, we were celebrating, noting, the pulse nightclub shooting six years ago. and that just mass casualty there. nothing has been done. so is this getting something done? even if it's not getting what dawn hoped we get done in the big picture. we know it best is going to be done incrementally. so is this a good step forward? >> well i completely disagree with don, which is unusual because we can to see eye to eye on many things. but on this i think it is great. and i think it is really important to keep talking about what we can do. because there are a few things

in that piece of legislation. listen, do i want to see a ban on certain weapons? you bet i do. but if there is just going to be an enhanced background check for 18 to 21-year-olds, on assault type weapons, i will take it. state funding, do not underestimate the needs of giving states the money. that is why we have gone the 21 drinking age in most states. the federal government only allotted monday two highways they held hostage, basically, to states that had no drinking age of 21. there is movement. i only want to go into the positives of this. this is governance. this is moving away from four years of god awful donald trump. this is both sides coming together saying, we have to do something. and most of, all i know we talked about this before, alex, one of these things could save one child's life.

and i am okay with that. >> point well taken on that. carlos, former republican congressman, do you see positive steps here? do you think this is the kind of thing that congress will be able to vote on? specifically, ten republican senators will be able to cross a very entrenched bipartisan line and say, we are on board with us. >> alex, i lost your audio. i think i know you are asking me, and what i can tell you is that my perspective is that i spent my time in congress looking for a meaningful compromise on gun reform. well i was in congress we had the orlando shooting at the pulse nightclub. we had the las vegas shooting. we also have the tragic parkland shooting which reminds me a lot of this uvalde massacre. and we got nothing all of those times. here we are on the cusp of doing something meaningful. it is not universal background checks the way we should have.

but it is expanded background checks. these red flag laws, provisions and grants, those are a big deal. and they can keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of dangerous people. so we are on the cusp of something special. and of course we should always demand more. we should always demand better. but that does not mean that we diminish this accomplishment. the fact that ten republicans senators have agreed to this, mitch mcconnell has essentially endorsed this, is a big deal. i think those families who have lost so many children throughout the years can at least start to believe that those lives were not lost completely in vain, because we are going to pass a law here in this country which appears it is going to save lives in the future. >> okay. carlos, thank you so much for. that i hope you can hear my thanks to you. i understand that susan is having some audio problems as

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