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good evening, i'm mehdi hasan, tomorrow morning the house select committee investigating the january 6th attack on our capitol. will hold its second public hearing, if it's anything at all at the first hearing, it's set to be explosive. tomorrow the panel will zero in on trump's lies, his efforts to spread debunked claims about the 2020 election, witnesses include b.j. pak, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of georgia -- fire him for not backing his election lies. i'll schmidt, the republican city commissioner of philadelphia, that there wasn't fraud in his city. and bill stepien, and trump's 2020 campaign manager, in thursday's hearing and everybody seen video interviews, we learned the former president's inner circle as well where the big lie was just that. alive. attorney general bill barr revealed that he told his boss, allegations of election fraud

were quote, bs. trump's own daughter of rank agreed with that assessment. putting the committee that she respected barr, accepted what he was saying which prompted her dad to lay later attack even. her the calls were even coming from inside the trump election campaign, former campaign adviser -- will told committee that they saw no evidence of widespread voter fraud. perhaps the most stunning revelation for me was this moment from vice chair liz cheney's opening statement. >> as you will see, representative perry, contacted the white house in the weeks after january six. to seek a presidential pardon. multiple other republican congressman also sought presidential pardons for their role in attempting to overturn the 2020 election. >> let's take a second and really let that sink in. multiple cities of congress asked for then president for a pardon during his last few weeks in office which begs the

question, why would you even need a part of immediately raising concerns about the election. now, i'm no lawyer but in ohio state law provided -- rule call seeking a pardon of for a crime usually means that they knew their actions workload, at least legally questionable if not fully illegal. we should note, republican congressman scott perry of pennsylvania, voted to overturn the election, even after the insurrection. called the notion that he never sought a pardon quote, an absolute shameless and soulless lie. well congressman, if you really want to set the record straight and clear your name, you can testify under oath about his supposed innocence. oh wait, you already given the chance to do that, congressman perry is one of five house republicans subpoenaed by the committee last month. but instead of going on the record against the so-called lies, perry ignored the subpoena declined to participate in a deposition. the obvious course of action when you allegedly have nothing

to hide, but seriously, this pardon news is a big deal. and just might have the power to change public opinion, especially concerning the role that sitting republican members of congress play in trump's effort to overturn the election. is it current lawmakers after all. but the truth is, these kind of revelations only breakthrough if democrats take them and run with them. and that's where we come up against a major issue. it's no secret democrats suck at messaging. later this hour, i'll speak with dan fiver, former communications record for barack melbourne as wide as about his party struggles when it comes to messaging. but i should be clear, there few elected cramped apps trying, trying to turn things around on the messaging front. take representative alexandra ocasio-cortez, following cheney's remarks, aoc took to twitter to -- asking far-right gop house member like paul gosar, marc gates, jim jordan, marjorie

taylor greene if they were some of the and main lawmakers reference during the hearings. she just wanted to know. we don't know how one of them wanted to respond. you are yes, democrats can be that easy. every house democrat should follow aoc's lead. and publicly ask one simple question of their gop counterparts. did you ask for a pardon, did you? but this isn't just about january the 6th, democrats need to toughen up on their messaging across the board, just over a month ago -- the perfect talking points. so for a leak decision, the very ultra conservative court -- 's roe v. wade, and sure there was real anger among democrats in the first few we. as usually, i'll be honest, the media has moved on. as we often. do and, again after a string of horrifying mass shootings are seeing the exact same pattern when it comes to gun control. we just got word today that a group of bipartisan senators announced a framework deal on gun violence on preventing gun

guides, ten republicans have signed on to the framing, meaning a final bill shouldn't get support of those ten republicans, that will bypass the filibuster. but it also means, the barely bipartisan bill that the vast majority of the gop -- and not taking any meaningful action on gun violence. effectively, democrats handed over another possible midterm talking point to the republicans. -- new can't run on gun violence, for that bipartisan deal. so, what is a concern democrat to do when doesn't see really stepping up to the plate in midterms yet. on the night of the uvalde mass shooting, after an 18 year old gunman wielding an air 15 style rifle killed 19 students and two students etymology show, a rifle that won't be banned under the bipartisan. dual -- niceties and enforce congressional politeness. rubin guy a go called out texas senator ten crews and twitter, questioning the republican supposed pro life stance which

seems to only applied to born children. you care about a fetus, but you let our children get slaughtered. the lego added in words that i'm guessing that may have rented it resonated with dams, just to be clear, a few ted cruz, you effing baby killer. strong stuff. so, with less than five months to go to the midterms, its finest for the democrats to drop the usual restraint and go after extremist republicans, aggressively, across the board, on 16, on abortion rights, on gun violence. better better asked than congress san diego him self, he joins me now and serves as chairman of the ball back, the people complain about hispanic caucus. congressman, welcome back to the show. let's start with the 16 airings, when congresswoman cheney said multiple members of congress asked for white house pardons, my ears perked up, i assumed you weren't one of them? >>, look, it doesn't surprise me there's a level of

coordination that had happens i do think it's a right approach for us to be questioning, why are you even asking for. this unfortunate is a lot of elements in my -- different levels of judicial proceedings. growing up in the south side chicago, when you're asking for forgiveness it usually means you've done a crime. and that's clearly what happened here. i do say in addition to aoc doing aggressive tweets, there was -- -- members who are all taking notes not to and handing it off to other people, that's what we contribute during the whole time and last but i think it's important for democrats, you are never ever gonna get faulted for protecting democracy. no one's ever to be mad at you for saying that you went to overboard in protecting democracy, you went too hard, i think that's the one thing i've seen a lot of democrats really hold back on. they need to get over that, we have an opportunity to really reclaim the idea of patriotism over this party, the current public party that has basically,

stood up and try to push forward and insurrection. >> well. but on the night of the insurrection you shared your experience with me on peacock, let's have a listen. >> we had to evacuate this house cannot stand the fact that we had as free in fair election, and cannot stand the fact that their candidate lost. >> so, congressman, united talked about holding these people accountable, literally since the nights and january six, and here and a half later are we any closer, not just with the committee hearings with the doj's investigation? >> look, but committee hearings are doing a good job, and let's be honest i haven't put forth the doj is lacking. some information we're seeing right now coming out of january

six hearing so far, the judge could've had access to many, many moons ago. we have a recording of donald trump trying to pressure secretary of state saying, i just need you to find 11,000 foreign and six votes, or something around that. that's illegal. what more do you need, you have it on tape, you have it on record. where is our department of justice, hopefully i'm wrong animal to get yelled out by people at 2 am or, slamming the attorney general, i want to be proven wrong. but we're not there yet. at the end of the day, unfortunately, the real kind of the ladies gonna come from the da at fulton county prior to the attorney general united states. it's a very sad statement that's how it's gonna end up. >> yeah, i'm with you. i hope to be proven wrong about doj but so far i haven't been. if i or any of the viewers at home -- in january 2021, to brad raffensperger, we would've seen

the inside of a jail cell by now i'm sure. let's move to the gun legislation framework, announced we're about small bipartisan group of senators, what do you make about that deal that doesn't ban assault rifles, doesn't raise the age for purchasing air at 15 to 21, but does bring a new money for mental health, school security, does have enhanced checks for under 21, there is good but mile proposals, there's a lot lacking from it, how are you concerned certain that the democrats are -- proper majority, so we can pass proper legislation. there's a weak bipartisan dual gives republican an out here? >> well, unfortunately for i take that back, fortunately, we are the responsible party and we're not gonna walk away from doing something that could actually incrementally improve the lives of americans just for a partisan attack point. that's something republicans would. do we can't do that at this

point. i also think unfortunately, gun issues there ever gonna go away, i think there's gonna be more mass shootings, there's certainly gonna be more crime in our streets of our cities, and even now you see crime increase in the rural areas of this country. this will continue to grow. it does go back to how we end up in the situation, we ended up in this situation because we're stuck with this old acronyms jack rule, that basically discourages compromise. if we didn't have the filibuster, we actually see a very, very bold and compromising, compromise bill when it comes to gun safety legislation. that's where we are right now. so, kudos to -- the best he could. that's a very hard thing, i hope there's good things that come out of. this at the end of the day, we're dealing with the situation because we decided to constrain ourselves, not because of the actual dynamics of the politics, gun reform right now is extremely popular in the country.

we could be doing a lot more aggressive than we are right now. >> i guess my worry is, the only way to get action on this is public anger, doing a bipartisan duel that the majority of republicans don't support. well, we don't want this issue, let's move on to gas projects. i >> get what you're saying. at the end of the day [inaudible] >> can't walk away from the deal. we're out of time, all throw one quick question out of you. 31 people affiliated with the white nationalist group, patriot front, were arrested in idaho near up lgbtq event, the suspects were booked on can -- reaction to something in 2022? >> well, we need to be very careful this is a very concentrated effort to basically intimidate people, to being who they are, try to intimidate americans, and what's not the republicans trump vote. they're using this anti-lgbtq rhetoric, being afraid of trans people, this qanon white

opportunity to basically scare a lot of people to vote republican, but to incite this type of violence. you see marco rubio talking about -- taking their kids to drag joe, as you know at, minder on business parents can do what they want with their kids. it's nothing like now we're seeing a rhetoric coming off the right, basically trying to create an environment where it's going to be difficult for our lgbtq people to actually live the lives that they deserve. the rhetoric that is being brought on by the right is going to bring on these types of really violent actions. we should not let the conquerable get off the hook for that. >> we are way over and time. my producer will be mad at me. quick question. when you say to people who say if members of congress should not be calling a member of congress and effing baby killer. >> you have members of congress that are called pedophiles,

members of congress who called us everything else. also, 19 kids were killed and two teachers. 19 kids. this is not the america than anyone deserves. and for us to have to control our rage and control our rhetoric as of this is normal. it's not normal. we try to normalize it rather than deal with the problem, because we care more about the -- niceties instead of kids lives. >> congressman, you're on my show. your mic up 50. i appreciate righteous anger. thank you for your time. tomorrow, join a soberana 70 see on peacock for day two of the january 6th hearings. the coverage kicks off with me and i am eastern. continues with the morning team at 9:30 followed by the hearing in full stream. january 6th hearing is tomorrow on msnbc at peacock. more on the gun story.

the founder of moms demand action. she will talk to me about the details of the gun legislation package announced today. how major a deal is it? stay tuned.

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violence better than no deal little? personally, i happen to think this narrow agreement gives the republicans an easy get out on gun violence. are we to pretend they have responsibility to a mass shooting? gas prices? but the founder of moms demand action, shine and what's, tweeted today that this bipartisan framework is a major step in finally getting federal action to address gun violence. shannon watts joins me now. shannon, thanks so much for coming on the show tonight. i get why you've welcomed disagreement as an activist. there wouldn't be an agreement if it wasn't for people like yourself. but i have to ask. i have to cut right to it. would anything in the steele have presented the mass shooting in uvalde? or buffalo? >> that's sort of a strongman argument. this is a historic agreement. we've been waiting for this for 26 years. that is the last time we had any kind of significant movement on gun safety legislation in congress. so, for these senators to come

together and finally break the logjam around gun safety legislation, it shows that this is not just good policy. it's also good politics. i'm very hopeful that once they start with the language we will get to a place where this is historic. it will be life-saving. you are talking at -- you left out a really important part, also around domestic gun violence where this would address what we call the dating partner loophole and right now, 70 women are shot and killed every single month this in this country by intimate partners. now, as many women are killed by dating partners as they are spouses. this is a loophole we've been trying to close for a decade. that's hugely significant. this is not a political game. the lives of children and people in their communities are not political ponce.

we have to be open to this compromise, and then if there is an action they'll be consequences for that. shannon, the two are not mutually exclusive. you are right to say that closing these loopholes is a big deal. you are right to say -- i pointed it out in the introduction. it's an impasse. at the same time, i don't think the strongman -- witness have prevented the shooting that has made its get to this point? if our lawmakers can come up with a deal that does not address what happened, 19 kids killed, it's legitimate to ask how good is the steel? >> first of all, it would've made it harder for an 18 year old to a 21-year-old to access again. there would be a framework including provisions where you would reach out to law enforcement and find out, check databases, find out of there's a red flag with this kid, essentially. trying to buy a semi automatic rifle. could that have made a

difference? for sure. i want to remind you that mass shootings in this country, about 1% of the gun violence, the daily gun violence that kills over 110 americans, and wounds hundreds more, is tearing the fabric of our communities. the framework, as laid out so far, would be significant. i also want to say this isn't where the work ends. we are not just waiting around for this moment to happen in the senate. we are working in city council, school boards, state houses, corporate boardrooms, to make a real change. in the last week we passed legislation in new york that raged the age to buy a long gun. we have legislation that just passed in rhode island that we do the same as well as other things. we've passed gun safety provisions through city councils, five of them in colorado, one and water creek, all in the last week. this is because we have a grassroots army that can finally go to toe with gun lobby in this country. i want to be clear. when i started moms demand

action, about a quarter of all democrats and congress had a -- reading from the nra. today, not one does. that's a political movements work. i understand the incremental changes frustrating, but that is what leads to revolutions. we are well on our way. >> i guess my worry is that the incremental changes, not that it's frustrating, but it allows republicans to not do the major changes. that's my worry, that they will say next time there's a shooting, next time there's a mass shooting, we did it. we did that great deal. we should get a pat on the back. i hope to be proven wrong. as i say -- >> i would argue with you that what they might say is, maybe with this does is get republicans to be on the right side of this issue along with democrats. to see that they can make this kind of vote. that they can pass this kind of legislation, and that americans will be with them, in particular women and suburban moms in this country. the swing voters that they need

to win more elections. le pen >> wonderful. i hope you're right. let's see if this becomes a bill that passes. so far, ten republicans on board, but i don't tend to rely on lindsey graham's vote. i do hope your pressure campaign carries. on shannon watts, i appreciate you coming on the show. >> thank you. >> coming up, the 50-year plan to create a version of state-run tv for the gop. first, gigi stone is here. >> thanks, mattie. here are some of the stories we are watching. vice president, kamala harris spoke at the capitol pride event in washington d.c., sunday evening. this comes a day after dozens of members of the white nationalist group were arrested in idaho near a pride event. harris said no one should fear going to a pride celebration, because of the white supremacist. ukrainian president the law to mayor zelenskyy praised his country's troops as they fight

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roger ailes, yeah, that roger ailes. he was once a media consultant for richard nixon after seeing what happened to his then boss, you want to make sure no other republican president would never suffer the same fate again. ails launched fox news in 1996 with rupert murdoch, the goal was to create a tv network that served as an arm. this was the unspoken goal, served as an arm to the republican party under the guise of news. 20 years after creating fox, the propaganda dream was fully realize with the election of donald j trump. fox served as basic state run tv, the trump administration moving heaven and earth to shield him from his mini scandals. take it for me, listen to fox's own geraldo rivera saying the same thing on air. >> nixon never would've been forced to resign if you existed in your current state back in 1972, 73, 70. for the difference between donald j trump and richard nixon. >> ails resign from fox in

disgrace in 2016 after facing allegations for sexual harassment, he passed away in 2017. but his dream is alive and well in fox news, nothing else matters but except -- spreading misinformation. it's why they wouldn't even live broadcast the first public hearing from the january six committee on thursday night. in fact they were still afraid of having their viewers see or hear the truth about what happened on 16, fox's tucker carlson didn't take a single ad break between. during his hour. they're during eight and nine. you can't have you are switching over to the hearings, an excellently hearing about 16, oh no. that's why we should just stop calling it fox news in my view. it's not a news network, it's just not. so either democrats deal with the pull, or have their own propaganda family after -- gone five for senior president -- new book about all of this.

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he breaks down the messaging failures that playing the democratic party, jen also think some of the chief incumbents isn't just the party, it's the media. he writes quote, the bulk of the media on the right is an adjunct of the party apparatus, the doj party apparatus, during the trump presidency was state adjacent propaganda, profitable, with plausible deniability. much of the media on the left is focused on holding democrats apparel in the party's agenda -- but it doesn't do much to help democratic candidates of course. against republicans come election time. and dan pfeiffer joins me now. dan, thanks so much for coming on the show, congratulations on the new book, let's start with fox the, i was talking about fox and what they've been up to, democrats, elected democrats understand the sheer powder and influence, which is not a news organization in my opinion, it's propaganda after the doj. is there any plan to push back, a strategy to push back as

foxes ongoing propaganda? >> i think people have an understanding of fox itself, define most narrowly. the 4 million people watch tucker carlson on any given. night we had a lot of these battles in the white house to get more understanding, in the party, and in the media that fox is not a right-of-center journalistic institution, as you put, it adjective the role, and using a weapon to employ -- so, people sort of, i don't you understand why i wrote the book, is that fox is just the most well-known part of this massive sprawling disinformation propaganda network. it includes things like, the daily wire, dan manteno, -- over 1000 local news sites that masquerade independent journalism. and i don't believe, with the vast majority of the party as yet to understand, how that operation works. the power of it. and what we can do without. a >> so, just to be clear

before i move on to became done about it, you're not arguing for liberal or leftist version of fox are you, you don't want to see a progressive movie pushes propaganda and white watches -- that's not what you're advocating? for >> of course not. we cannot, should not, would not work for -- democratic fox. i want democrats to build up a progressive megaphone and tell our stories on our time, i joke about positive america sometime -- we have a name we want democrats -- advance progressive, goals when we can call out democrats when it needs to be done, but we're not gonna lie to viewers, we won't spread disinformation we won't get this to the sake of, division. >> one last quick question on fox before we move on, should democrats elected democrats, in the biden white house treat fox as a legitimate news organization at this point, when it's pushing conspiracies about 16, great replacement

theory, and many -- audience it's a big audience but there should they start refusing to be complicit in such blatant propaganda? >> it's important to call them out for what they are, if democrats want to go out, it's not something i generally think is the best -- they want to do and understand that the game is rigged. and i don't think the white house should do anything that infringes upon, i don't think it's really worth the battle, but when i was very conscious about is accidentally putting legitimacy on what is no worse, no better than the orange seat brad's office. call them out for what they are if you're gonna go on. >> in your new book, daddy, right quote our party leaders are all over 70, none of them rose to the pinnacle party leader based on their communication charts, they're generationally disconnected from the parties base, the problem isn't there a's the base spent more than half of your serving in congress, where

authentic human speaking goes to die, which i chuckled as i read and not it along. to use other age dan, these people look elizabeth warren who are also on the older side, very strong communicators it's fair to say. having said, that a lot of people say there's a correlation between the adjourned paddock and the kind of week after -- we hear from elected democrats? >> i think there are absorption's to the rule. bernie sanders, younger democrats who don't fully understand how you communicate this hyperactive economy. one of the things i've learned over the years, working for a lot of candidates is you sort of become fours in an amber, when you enter national policy. barack obama had a huge advantage over everyone it was chiming in 2008 because he had been a normal person who existed with -- before he became into politics. i mean, for example had it really messaging advantage and

this primary. he had been -- a person he post facebook air of communication. this knew how to get attention, i'm getting attention it was a really matters in this this aggregated. medias, so long legacies many of whom, all of whom are doing really good jobs. they are not necessarily the best people to figure out how to communicate, in this era. in the digital warfare republicans are using. >> i think boot -- is an eloquent communicator sunni goes on fox, although i would push back against the idea that normal people in their 30s run for president. but that's a discussion for another. dear [laughs] for me, the economy, that's a giveaway [laughs] last question, the economy is in a perfect example of democratic messaging -- as the washington post has noted, majority republicans out of propriety democrats believe the u.s. is right now in a recession. which technically, officially

we are. not unemployment below 4%, we're creating new jobs at a rapid pace. -- not in a recession. how do you fix that messaging, robert? >> well, i think there's two elements, you do need to meet people where they are. people are feeling reelection octane from high gas prices, high pressure -- you can't get out of your. budget but i think democrats have to do here, we're starting to see more democrats since we need to start drawing sharp contrast with the republican party, the republican party once they get to office, on 100 million americans they want to cut taxes and they want to pay for those taxes, social security medicare they want to do have a pseudo-person for wage increase in this country, many him don't believe that -- so, we need to define the difference is just a referendum on how we feel about the economic situation when they vote. democrats are not gonna win. so, we have to do everything we can, everything -- a party that the working class

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we'll be right back here next sunday 8 pm eastern. you cannot find this show on the new msnbc hub on peacock. you could find the msnbc hub through brows and stream my show anytime. new episodes of the mehdi hansen show on peacock will show through monday through thursday. i will be live from 9 am on msnbc on peacock covering the second public hearing from the 16 committee. join me then. now it's time to hand it over to my friend ayman molly dean. amen, question, do we have midterm elections coming on? >> yes, of course we do, maybe. why do you ask? >> i knew it! i forgot for a moment. then fox was kind enough to remind me that congressional midterms are around the corner. take a listen. >> over 10,000 illegal immigrants set to storm our

borders who got this huge caravan coming at the southern border. don't know when it's gonna get here, but there's thousands in. >> this is the largest ever a caravan of illegals crossing the border. >> 1000 strong migrant caravan heading through mexico toward the u.s. border. >> a caravan of at least 15,000 people is headed here every day. >> what about the 10,000 person caravan of migrants approaching our southern border? >> another massive migrant caravan, the largest today, marching to the u.s. border, as biden's open borders agenda is not a full blown threat to u.s. national security. >> yes, if it's a mid term year, it has to be a migrant caravan year. by the way, that caravan has already been disbanded by mexican authorities, but don't let facts get in the way of the good fox scare story. and that was talking about fox, propaganda earlier on the show which is the reason i wrote --

i have to ask, you can all your years of reporting from around the world, ayman, in places like egypt, how different is the way fox behaves from the propaganda channel that you've seen in those authoritarian countries? >> i mean listen, you raise a very interesting question. i've seen a lot of state controlled media in my lifetime. egypt, the middle east. turkey, elsewhere. i've always known that have a few come characteristics. on one hand, they follow closely the script of those in power, the government and ruling elite. the ruling class, and secondly, ignore the realities of the society that they are reporting on for fear of undermining that very ruling class, and if you ask me, fox meets those metrics, and perhaps more accurately, instead of calling it state controlled media, it's better to call it a party propaganda blockbuster. i have to look at the intersection of fox and the republican party. whether it's sean hannity campaigning at a trump rally,

literally. fox hosts giving the white house advice on policy, text messages like we saw, the ones that were sent to mark meadows and mcenany on january 6th. this is not an independent news organization looking for the truth. it is a propaganda brought catcher -- broadcaster doing the bidding ever publican elites. >> well said, my friend. well said. >> all right, my friend. enjoy your evening. we will be watching you tomorrow morning bright and early for that continued special coverage of those hearings. we will see what tomorrow brings, right? take care, my friend. omorro good evening and welcome to a special edition of ayman tonight. we will look at the january 6th committee's public hearings through the lens of american radical. that was my podcast. that traced the last months of the life of insurrectionist who died during the capitol riot but we will go beyond the events of that day to explore how efforts to radicalize americans have become mainstream. by both donald trump and