literally. fox hosts giving the white house advice on policy, text messages like we saw, the ones that were sent to mark meadows and mcenany on january 6th. this is not an independent news organization looking for the truth. it is a propaganda brought catcher -- broadcaster doing the bidding ever publican elites. >> well said, my friend. well said. >> all right, my friend. enjoy your evening. we will be watching you tomorrow morning bright and early for that continued special coverage of those hearings. we will see what tomorrow brings, right? take care, my friend. omorro good evening and welcome to a special edition of ayman tonight. we will look at the january 6th committee's public hearings through the lens of american radical. that was my podcast. that traced the last months of the life of insurrectionist who died during the capitol riot but we will go beyond the events of that day to explore how efforts to radicalize americans have become mainstream. by both donald trump and his

republican party, and what we can do both from a legal and political perspective to stop this momentum on the far right before it is too late. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. our focus tonight is radicalization, and as we come on the air tonight we are learning new details about an effort from a radical group, the white nationalists patriot front group, were arrested near an lgbtq event in idaho just last night. we're going to have more like that on the show tonight. including vice president harris 's remarks on this troubling incident. the radicalization was on vivid display as a trump mob trying to overthrow our government on january the 6th. the footage left me and so many others wondering, what would compel someone to do this? a short answer is, and to be honest, it's complicated. the causes of radicalization's

are as different as the forms it takes. some are radicalized by conspiracies like qanon, others by the rhetoric of militant groups or religious extremists, as i've seen overseas, and others by members of congress. all of these causes have links in this country, at least, to donald trump, who brought the ideas pushed by those radical groups from the fringe to the mainstream of the republican party. what are the results of that effort? it's exactly what we saw happening on january 6th. now as we saw during the january 6th committee first public hearing, the rioters themselves made it clear that donald trump was behind their decision to be at the capitol on that day. watch. >> i know why i was there. it's because he called me there. he laid out big wet is happening in our government. he laid it out. >> i remember donald trump telling people to be there to support.

>> you mentioned that the president asked you, do you remember a specific message? >> he asked for us to come to d.c.. that big things are going to happen. >> but while trump might have called them to the capitol, the truth is there radicalization started well before that day. i've been it -- spent a good part of that last year researching just how that process began. my reporting was the american radical podcast, which told the story of one woman named roseanne boyland. she hated politics. she was shy, rarely left her home in georgia in those final months, but during the pandemic, she got caught up in the conspiracies that were pushed by qanon. in less than six months, roseanne was dead. killed on the steps of the capitol on january 6th in the middle of a crowd trying to force its way past the police lines. how did this happen? roseanne seemed to be winning her battle with substance abuse,

but with qanon, she seemed to swap one addiction for another. >> she was completely consumed with all of this. that's how she was when she was on drugs. she was completely consumed and spent every minute trying to get more information, figure out which she could do. >> qanon led roseanne to donald trump, and the woman who once hated politics be came obsessed with reelecting trump. nbc's news senior reporter ben collins told me, trump's loss was in so many ways a catalyst for peoples radicalization. >> these people could not accept this. the loss. they started to comb through all of these private videos. these security videos at these voting centers. georgia becomes the epicenter for the election fraud conspiracy theory, which, by the way, is basically just the next season of qanon.

>> rosanne boyland was just one of the thousands of people who stormed the capitol on january 6th. her story can teach us a lot about the pattern of radicalization and how terrifyingly more americans are becoming poisoned by lies. my conspiracies. by distortions. often now thanks to one man, donald trump and his party, and all the enablers of the gop. joining me now are roseanne boyland's sister and brother in law. lana and justin. then collins, senior reporter for nbc news. it's great to see both of. you i know it's been a minute since we've spoken. but this is the first time you and i have spoken since the january six hearing. lana, i'd like to start with you. your reaction to what you saw thursday. where did it feel like to see video of so many people in that angry mob who is radicalization where similar, in some ways, to roseanne's? >> i mean, it was really quite

interesting, because i have seen so much of it myself and i don't think the general public has paid as much of attention to it as me and justice and our family has. so, i think that hopefully it won't bring about some kind of awareness as to what went down that they. we'll bring about awareness. >> you know, justin, sorry, ugly head. go ahead. >> i just wanted to say, you know, that i feel like certain people who really need to be pay most attention to it are not getting the coverage that they need to see. >> and like you said earlier, fox news did not even cover the hearings, and we feel like a lot of the people who need to be watching this are the people that would watch fox news, exclusively. >> it's a really good point. i was actually going to ask you

about that in just a minute, justin, but i wanted to ask you something else, because in the immediate aftermath of the january 6th attack, i remember you pointing the finger at donald trump for the role that he played in inciting this. what was your reaction to the committee explicitly, making that same charge that donald trump summoned the mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack? i know that you were criticized at the time for that. but did you feel that this was validation of what you said back early in january after the insurrection? this committee hearing was agreeing with you that it was in fact donald trump who lit this flame. >> absolutely. i do. i thought the first hearing was really well done and i've actually watched it twice. i would like to thank ben thompson, liz cheney for their opening comments. i thought it was really impactful and powerful for us. they both kind of talked about the importance of bipartisanship, which i think is with this country really needs right now.

i would like to thank them for that personally. >> ben, let me get your thoughts on that point that justin was talking about. this part of our society that is not seeing what's happening on january 6th. trump brought this radicalization from the fringes into the mainstream. he normalized it. he injected it into our politics. yet, right now, that radicalization, the people who should be made aware of it are not necessarily getting the attention they deserve. you have a large part of the right-wing media in this society who are completely ignoring january 6th, if not completely repainting it in an alternate universe. >> that's right. and the mainstream right, this is like fox news. they're saying this is still -- they live in these two spaces at the same time. it's either not that big of a deal, not that many people were hurt. people did not die that day, which we know is not true. they either live with that sheer denial, or they say it's some sort of operation by defense. they push the conspiracy

theories and they talk about ray epps who is a former federal agent. there was one person, and trust me, the committee has talked to rate epps. that's -- they live in these two separate spaces at the same time. denial that this was that big of a deal, and this idea that was put on by the feds. this had nothing to do with regular people there. and neither of those things are true. and also, i want to say, in the extremist circles, the qanon circles, the places that are not part of the mainstream, it's not even denial. they grew past. they don't care about january 6th. they call people who were in jail for it, j six prisoners. but they don't really care about those people. they've moved over to new cultural issues. mostly anti lgbtq issues, things like you saw with patriot front yesterday, planning counterprotests or violent actions at these pride parades. they don't live in this world anymore. they don't think about the

state, because they didn't think it was an insurrection to begin with. >> ben, -- i've told you this before, and to your point. i watched the news picture by picture. i watched three or four news stations at once. we were watching the hearing. i was watching the lower third chyron on fox news during the hearing. you could see it happening in realtime. >> lonna, you and justin both spoke about your fears about how rosanne will be remembered. this is what i want to play for our audience. watch. >> i don't want her to go down as some crazed trump fanatic terrorist person, because that is not the person that she was. >> we don't think that rosanne was a terrorist, but january 6th was definitely an act of terrorism, and i think the damage that has been done from that has potentially been generational. >> i know, lonna, that this was

something very important to both of you. i wondered as i was watching this hearing, if rosanne had lived to see this hearing, what would her reaction be? would reality get through, or do you believe she was too deep down that rabbit hole to see this reality that has been painted thursday by the january 6th committee? >> that is really hard to tell. i think that there is a lot of people that are not fully understanding, like you mentioned, the rate epps, and the national guard, and all that. and so, i don't know. it's hard to change people's opinions on january 6th. period. i would hope that by then she would have come to her senses and we could have gotten to her or something. but i honestly, i don't know. >> i wish that i would have had the chance to talk to her before she left that day, that

week. >> what would you have told her, justin? >> don't go. it's not worth it. the qanon thing is bs. donald trump is not the be all and end all. even when we were watching the hearings, i think the evidence from everybody's testimony, in my opinion, it was the most sure and concise. they knew that it was untrue. they were saying it anyway. all of these people believe it. i remember november of that election season when i was just watching the news coverage. i was like this is really dangerous. somebody is going to get hurt. what are the chances that it would be one of our family members? lonna sister. >> i wanted to ask you about qanon. in the podcast who predicted the future of the qanon conspiracy theory. take a listen to this. >> they might not be branded q, anymore, but they are bigger than ever, and they are part of our democracy. they are running for office,

and they are your neighbors, your friends and they are going to be here, probably for the rest of our lives. >> ben, you are right. these people who we spoke about months ago when we were making this podcast, they are now running for office. we know that if they are not called qanon believers, they may have distanced themselves from that label, that the beliefs are still very much there. is there no way to combat this radicalization at this point? >> it's in the party infrastructure. they're part of the party now, and that's the scary part. ron watkins, probably a cue, might be q, the fake government inciter that is posting all these things. or was until just before the insurrection, because he realized when he was in two at this point. he is running for congress. and in arizona, there are a lot of people who believe in the stuff.

they're running for congress or governor. doug mastriano who is asked about the capitol on january 6th. there were people who are insurrectionists who are now running for office. listening to justice and lonna, i think the saddest part of all of this is that a lot of these people have moved on from donald trump. they've moved on. they think that ron desantis is their savior. there is no savior. we have to join a militia. live in the woods forever. a lot of these people lost a lot of their life for nothing. the guy at the front of the line with the queue shirt is in jail. big and they lost their livelihood, they lost their ability to get jobs easily enough now, because of things they've already moved on from. because they were ponce in a much larger scheme. by donald trump, and by people in the republican party trying to hold on to power. i guess that is the saddest part of the whole thing. it's that some of these people are still ponce. they still don't understand this.

they still don't understand that the whole point of this is fury and rage, and taking it out on the directed enemy of fox news, or a few message boards. those people have just moved on to that next enemy. sadly enough, they still don't understand that they are ponce in a much larger game. >> i think i agree with, you that i don't think this country still taking the threat of radicalization seriously enough. on all the different fronts. not just the political fronts, but personal front. ben collins, lana and justin cave, thank you very much. good to see you again. if you haven't already heard the story, be sure to check out the podcast msnbc's original podcast, american radical. it's a five-part investigation into roseanne boyland's radicalization and her death at the capitol. all five episodes are out now wherever you get your podcast. you can also scan the qr code that you see on your screen right now. our american radical special

continues in just a moment, but first gigi stone winds here with the headlines. fascinating conversation, aim, and we have breaking news we're following from capitol hill. bipartisan group of senators have struck a tentative agreed him on gun reform legislation. the deals enough support that it could overcome a potential republican filibuster. the agreement includes provisions for school safety, mental health measures, and resources -- red flag. laws and you also expect background jump to include juvenile records for gun buyers under the age of 21. in a statement, senate majority rumor, chuck schumer said quote, today's announcements of a gun safety frameworks a good first step towards ending an action on the gun violence epidemic plaguing our country. schumer said he plans to put this agreement to a vote on the senate floor, as soon as possible. i'm gigi stone ones, we'll have more wet ayman, so stick around. tick around

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their age, and malice, into the dna of the republican party, joining me now is catherine store, journalists and -- power worshippers inside the dangerous rise of religious nationalism. catherine, thank you for joining. us let's first basket the blaze example of radicalization in real life, that we're witnessing in this country. 31 people. associated with white nationalist group, patriot, fowler arrested near an lgbtq event and idaho. the suspects were booked on suspicion of conspiracy to riot. your reaction to the? >> well,, we're seeing a mainstream of a lot of these radical, groups and it's just very disturbing. i think a lot of people identify them as sort of extremist living on the fringes of the republican party, on the rear finishes of politics, but unfortunately they move much closer to the center. >> let's play if we can, bigger

picture here, talk about some of the ways that you've observe through your reporting and research i'll donald trump has mainstream, radical extremism, into the dna of the republican party, quite frankly into our politics? >>, while we're learning that trunk overstated a crew in broad daylight by perpetuating a fraud, organizing an insurrection, and spurn the mob that assault at the capitol. traction. but could -- conspirators. the real question is who exactly are they, and what are the mechanisms by which this happened. we're learning about the in the hearings, we can't fully understand what happened on january six without understanding the rule of religious nationalism, how the ideology of religious nationalists played a role, we've seen a lot of us have seen, and the religious rhetoric, the signs, heard some

of the prayer so the capitol that day. a lot of the folks are scratching their head, trying to figure out why these kinds of religious signage was so ubiquitous. a view of many the insurrectionist, the extremist groups that are involved in the insurrection, god chose trump to help restore america, as a supposedly christian nation. so, trump was defeated must be somehow against gods well. >> so, you bring up an interesting point i want to know about how does the visibility of radical extremism. the ones on the front does that have made mainstream, whether they be openly running for office, what we're seeing in various places, district, school boards, positions. how does that visibility affect the broader american politics that not only about the ideology of christian nationalism being mainstream, but of the visibility of it, to

the political discourse. >> wow, it's really toxic. it's driving our polarization. this is a cohort that really sees themselves as engaged in an apocalyptic struggle between absolute good, absolute evil. he'll do anything in a matter how radical to supposedly save america from pluralistic democracy. we need to understand a lot of these folks, the ideology is, radically anti democratic they don't believe in pluralism, or equality in the best of the american promise. so, they're driving the polarization and dividing of americans between sort of insiders and outsiders. those who are with them, those were against. them this is just really distorting our politics on every level. >> yeah, it's a scary thought when you think of people like

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former house impeachment majority counsel, former director of investigations for the house detail committee, and the former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. danny, good to see you. again let's first look at how the justice department, how the insurrectionists to account. how do you think the federal government has done here, have they done enough, this was always at the time of its launch. the largest investigation of its kind. we're thinking about 3000 people that were there that day, as i mentioned, you're looking about 1100 are now are facing some kind of, or have faced some kind of judicial proceeding? >> it is a monumental undertaking for the department of justice to charge over 800 people, that's more than almost every u.s. attorney's office across the country, charges in a single year. even if the charges are similar to each other, each defendant has their due process rights. and each defendant has a defense lawyer and motion

practices, and their individual cases. so, we can't underscore enough when a massive undertaking that is and in many respects it makes sense. these were the violent insurrectionists, and a number of them have been charged with seditious conspiracy, which visitor a serious charge. so, they've done a fabulous job i think digging into what occurred on january six. in a very swift an aggressive. way that is somewhat in contrast -- moving in the broader investigation into the efforts to overturn the election by donald trump and others in his orbit. >> >> and the and, daniel thing is, the list discos want goes beyond holding the holding the insurrectionists to interest account when you look at the deposit bowl in the january six hearing of the doj january 6th hearings. and with the doj might do in the future. because this radicalization has been so mainstream, how do we

contain in a prosecutorial sense? do you go after anyone who finances it or publishes the material? anybody who gets involved and committing a crime based on that ideology? how do you draw that line. you draw that line. material funding that we use for international terrorists, which would make very significant penalties for anyone who finds the zoom aesthetic extremist groups. i think that would be an important addition to the criminal laws, it's guess, the important to me when i was a prosecutor is we try to go

after the head. if you cut off the head of the snake, then you really have killed everything on down the line. so, oftentimes you follow the money, that's why we hear that so much. if you could figure out who's actually finding these groups. and you're able to include them, in a conspiracy charge, which would be able to do presumably. then they really cannot do much in any kind of an organized fashion. maybe they're extraneous people who do one of things, but as long as they're not organized, and coordinated as they appear to have been on january six. then, you've really neuter the power of the organization. >> but beyond money for example, how would you say we can respond in our society, with so much of the culture that is

exploited by extremists are rooted in things like free speech, zero gun regulation, it's one thing to say i want to overthrow the government, you have the right to say that we get to the point of sitting around the table and actually catching up lansing gonna go there on january six, it crosses the line, right? >> yeah, it absolutely crosses the line. as you pointed out, or insinuate, the free speech argument is a completely bogus argument. no one's trial infringe on anyone's free speech. of course, nobody has uninhibited speech, we don't yell fire and there will be the movie theater varies. and we don't do hate speech, it can be criminalized, threats, speech but they are criminalized if there is an act in furtherance of those threats. the same thing applies here, it's a broader problem i think that a prosecutor can't hill with the nada his or her own, this is a cultural phenomenon

but i'm excited about the hearing tomorrow, january, six is i expect we go into a little bit about the role that fox news and the right-wing eco sphere has played in inciting this white nationalist domestic violent extremist push that's been going on around the country. and in part, he shielding their viewers from the facts. what is so problematic right now, ayman, is that there's so many in this country who are living in an alternative universe, that's completely divorced from reality. the challenge for all of us, is to figure out a way to be through the media they watch and figure out another way. >> yeah, it's the point that me and matthew were just talking up on the top of the show. fox no longer acts as a news organization, if it arguably every day at, it's a propaganda

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tonight, this is new vice president kamala harris said this look like the arrest of the appearance at a pride event in d.c.. watch. >> no one should fear going to a pride celebration, because of all white supremacists. black, brown, women of color, transgender, women should not fear for their lives. [applause] >> all right joining me now by sunday night panel, adrienne elrod democratic strategist and former senior aide to the biden harris campaign, kurt bardella adviser to the n c, d and c and e cc and former house oversight committee and spokesperson, and alaina beverly, former deputy of african american outreach for our body doesn't a campaign. good to have all three of you with. you adrienne, ostend with you, your reaction to last nights arrest just how troubling of a development is this on the issue of radicalism in this country? >> yeah, ayman, it's extremely

disturbing. we're seeing this more and more. we have so many states where you can walk around with a gun on your head up, you can protest people, use all kinds of weapons just to threaten and startle people. i think it's extremely disturbing, i'm glad the vice president announced today, really hit this head on, cheese exactly right, i could've sent any better myself. this is a big weekend for our brothers and sisters, the lgbtq community, something we're all celebrating, and for anyone to feel intimidated, especially by these extreme white nationalists. for me to be able to celebrate their love for each other, is extremely disturbances happening more and more. arm >>, currently a rest took place near a pride event, this seems like a direct link to what we've been seeing play out across the country. the japanese anti-gay campaign whether it be in florida or elsewhere in the country. this homophobic rhetoric that's

exploded among the republican party. some look at this and say, this is a direct result of that rhetoric, no? >> it absolutely is, this is hate sanction speech, it comes from leadership within the republican party. these people, these so-called juvenile -- vigilante activists, who take matters into their own hands, seek to invite say a chaos and incite violence, spread hate, and target people whether it's because of their sexual preference, whether it's because of their gender, whether it's because of the race, or religious beliefs. we see this extremism all across republican party. you see every single, day leaders within republican party go out there publicly, and basically pass lies to make it okay for this type of stuff to happen. that makes people feel like they're extremists, their values are welcomed in the republican party. but they're held out, propped up, they're champion, violence is gonna be the inevitable outcome of that type of

extremism. >> alaina, the dangers things this group tried to margin not washington d.c. back in december, a few people showed up, they try to ignore didn't think of the threat is thinking serious. it doesn't matter if they rally fails, as long as enough people are radicalized, and if they're ignored they come back and try again, and maybe this time even deadlier consequences, should something bad happened yesterday? >> absolutely, a man, look hate crimes are on the rise. this organization is limited members just months ago, they have a manifesto that seeks -- great replacement theory. they think that the white existence is being challenged by the growth of a majority minority. they believe that it's

perfectly appropriate to take terroristic steps to try and intimidate, demonstrate the white nationalist group. so, i think that we know that hate crimes are on the rise, this is just an example, one example of although was a failed attempt, it's a problem that can have real consequences, not just that yes, people should feel safe to go to a pride parade, they should feel safe to express their law, similarly african should feel safe going to a grocery store in buffalo. hate is a problem and it's being complemented in large part by the republican party, and by -- as you are talking. about the radicalism. >> adrienne, can we put the -- due to undo this radicalization in our politics, how do you go about getting the republican

party to stop the homophobia, to stop the xenophobia, to stop everything we see that's based on fear and hate? >> well, ayman, i hope we can reverse course. and we there's two things aside due this republican party has got to have conversations with their members, with people who dignify as republicans, and make it very clear we do not stand for this sort of behavior within our party. we see leader mccarthy, we see leader mcconnell, sort of doing that but it doesn't seem to be effective, it's not overly. genuine so, with the republican party leadership in the parties gotta make it to their members. if they don't tolerate the start of behavior, i see no signs everywhere that that's gonna happen. and secondly, look ayman, comes down to the ballot. possible americans are not happy with what they're seeing, these extreme radicalize groups

on the right, they vote more democrats in office, that simply the bottom line. there's a big ection coming up in november, the slot of primaries going on between now and then, that's what people should do, exercise their right to vote and get more democrats in office. because democrats, we are a big party, but we don't stand at all with any sort of behavior within our party. those are the two things i would recommend in order for anything to change. >> if you were to take marjorie taylor greene and her work, it's the extremists like her and right wing extremist that followed are in the republican party that no make up the power of the republican party. it's not people like mitch mcconnell anymore or kevin mccarthy, even though they are still the leaders technically of the republican party. i'm going to ask all three of you to stick around for me. we've got a lot more to discuss. coming up, we're going to preview the next january six committee hearing. what's in store. committee hearing. what's in store. what's in store. you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need?

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bring back our panel to discuss. this, what does it say that trump's former campaign manager is willing to testify? what do you think he reveals? >> i think he's going to demonstrate the ways in which trump used every lever at his disposal both to overturn the 2020 elections, but also to defraud the united states. spread the big lie. the pressure >> the particular state elected officials to get them to certify to try to claim that the election results were fraudulent. so i think he's going to explain how perhaps they used local calls, and said if you know of any other votes that we can get, or if you know that there was fraud i expect that he was gonna say how -- the campaign. was in trying to claim that

there was fraud in the election. i think it's going to be brazen. there's going to be a lot of talk about -- i'm hopeful that we're going to learn from his testimony and from others is just how dangerous the threat is to the democracy is continuing at a local level, continuing with secretaries of state. -- election deniers. the threat is ongoing. it continues to have ripple effects today. >> curry, ten bc news has learned the second hearing will focus on trump's decision to declare victory on election night, despite being told that the numbers simply did not back him up. then to spread lies about election fraud after that. your reaction to that possible

development? >> i think what we're seeing with the committee, here and this is going to be very important, the direct firsthand accounts from people who are inside the trump campaign, or the circle who is inside the trump white house operation, seeing the outcome that happened on january 6th. all of that began on election night. that's how far back this went it's like january six with isolated incident. no, the committee is going to demonstrate that republican operatives on words indeed that it was a systemic organized, planned, calculated effort that donald trump was informed on the grounds that he did not win the election. everything we heard, whether it was him or his enablers talking about the election and the uncertainty, that was all fabricated. that they did some knowing that he lost. knowing there was no real evidence of systemic fraud. knowing there is no evidence of

chaos in the election process. this is going to be what we're going to see in the committee going forward. a blueprint that we saw on the first -- carrying out tomorrow, hearing from republicans in their own words what really happened. >> adrian, one of the witnesses expected tomorrow it's chris stirewalt. a former fox editor who was fired due to republican backlash for him correctly projecting on election night that biden won the state of arizona. what do you hope to hear from him tomorrow? which might he shed light on? >> i used to do my thing her share fox news in 2017, 2018, and i know chris a little bit from doing fox, and he's very straightforward guy. really good with numbers, good with data. with ethical. since is going to be very telling, because he got fired from fox news, because he told the truth about arizona that biden won. i'd be very interested to know what's sort of things he says about coordination between donald trump himself, donald trump's campaign.

hosts over at fox news. whether it was sean hannity, whether it was tucker carlson. some other people on the staff. what was the coordination there? how did all of this level of coordination play out to create a systematic process to get, as kirk pointed, to january 6th, wet january six turned out to be. this is not something that just happened magically around january 5th or the morning of january 6th. this is something that was very well planned out. the night of the election. election night. at 2020. i'd be interested to see what chris has to say, because he has no one to protect. he's obviously speaking for himself and speaking for the truth. maybe interested to see what he has to say about some of the coordinations. . >> we should note that chris was valid, multiple recounts and challenges in the state of arizona. all concluded the same thing. joe biden won that election fair and square. adrian elrod, elaine and

beverley, thank you. we appreciate your insights. we are back with more ayman after the break.

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