now. the gun bill negotiations enter a critical new phrase. the working group has a framework and ten republican votes it needs to pass. what happens when it gets to the full senate and the nra starts applying pressure? plus gas prices now climbing over $5 a gallon, up 60 cents in just a month. >> we definitely don't go out that much. yeah, it sucks. >> to change the way that i live my life and i have to change the thing that i buy and i spend money on. >> and while the cost of everything keeps going up, markets are going down dramatically again. we've got our expert coming in on what to expect next. but we're going to start with the january 6th committee hearing. new details coming out today from republicans about how then president trump repeatedly endorsed the big lie, raising millions for a so-called

election defense fund that never existed and how he repeated his own top officials, even as they investigated one wild fraud allegation after another and found nothing. >> he said dead people are voting, indians are getting paid to vote and he meant people on native american reservations. he said there's lots of fraud going on here. >> there were instances where the president would say people are telling me this or i heard this or i saw on television this impropriety in atlanta and we were in a position to say people already looked at that, you're getting bad information, that's not correct. >> i told hmm the stuff his people were shoveling out to the

public were [ bleep ]. >> right now i want to bring in jonathan lemire, paul butler, barbara mcquade, great to have this all-star panel. ali, i think there's a pretty clear through line here all about the fact that the president was told over and over that the allegations of fraud didn't hold up and he went out and spread them anyway. >> reporter: yeah, and that was certainly the focus of this hearing, hammered home not just by the committee members by themselves but by members. former president's own inner circle, both on the campaign and within the white house and other parts of his government. of course using that testimony by people like former attorney general bill barr as well as people inside the trump campaign, including bill stepien, who was supposed to be here in person but couldn't come because his wife went into labor and thus he could not appear here today, the committee was able to slice into their report his own testimony.

they did it on the fly this morning in preparation thinking he was coming but of course it underscores the idea that everyone who has talked to the committee can effectively still be a witness, even if they're not in the room. of course the entire premise was to make sure the audience was aware that former president donald trump at best ignored the reality that he was being told by everyone in his inner orbit as or former attorney general bill barr said that he was detached from reality because he believed conspiracies, including things like dom inian voting machines changing votes and suitcases of ballots being wheeled in and out in ways that were debunked by his own department of justice and within his own campaign. this was them speaking to the mindset of the former president trying to establish that and it's why i asked congressman adam schiff after the hearing what that means for accountability and if the department of justice should investigate the former president. listen to what he told me. >> i think the justice department should be investigating anyone, including former presidents, if there is credible evidence that they

engaged in criminal activity. >> so look, of course, chris, as i said to schiff there, that's not the job of this committee. they also can't file criminal proceedings on their own but they can do things like refer criminal investigations and of course none of this is happening in a vacuum. everything that the committee is presenting today as well as going into the next few weeks is all in the public. everything that d.o.j. can watch and listen to, schiff saying he hopes the department of justice is paying attention to what's going on here and being quite forceful there, laying down the line, making sure that accountability should not stop regardless of the person's hierarchy or power, including the president of the united states. >> i want to play part of what former attorney general barr said about the president's mindset after the election. >> i was somewhat demoralized

because i thought, boy, if he really believes this stuff, he has lost contact with -- he's become detached on reality. on the other hand, when i went into this and would, you know, tell him how crazy some of these allegations were, there was never -- there was never an indication of interest in what the actual facts were. before the election it was possible to talk sense to the president and while you sometimes had to engage in, you know, a wrestling match with him that it was possible to keep things on track but i was told that after the election he didn't seem to be listening. >> and, jonathan, for anyone who thinks this is a backward looking hearing, let's not forget this man is the odds-on favorite to be the next republican nominee for president. >> certainly the thesis of

today's hearing was to show these election lies, claims of fraud, which of course were not true. we had gripping accounts on election night from outside the white house. rudy giuliani, the president's attorney, being described by those close to him as visibly inebriated that night, telling the president he should go out there and declare victory and others saying not to do so, saying just say hey look, not over, votes are still being counted but to stop short of declaring victory. trump went with giuliani and we have reporting that those first couple days there was a sort of sense that maybe he acknowledged he had lost but as the weeks went on and he wasn't forced to concede by other republicans, the lies hardened and took hold. he started railing multiple times a day on twitter about these lies. the committee in the hearing today did an extraordinarily effective job of talking about

this, of painting this picture that trump knew better. certainly people around him knew better and repeatedly told him. and whether trump just willfully ignored them or convinced himself of the truth in that regard, it didn't matter. he was surrounded by people who said to him, this is not true, you did not win but he continued to push forward, including raising campaign funds based off that lie. >> and, paul, since jonathan brought up giuliani, let's talk about the legal implications here. trump was not listening to his aides, his attorney general, senior officials, lawyers, except rudy giuliani, who according to two people had been drinking on election night. let's listen to that. >> the mayor was definitely intoxicated. i did not know his level of intoxication when he spoke with the president. >> so giuliani tells him to

declare victory, trump goes out and does it and he's basically repeated it every day since, does that play in any way to criminal culpablity? >> absolutely. the person who gave trump this biography idea was a drunk, washed up lawyer when his campaign manager told him it was too early to declare victory but trump did it anyway. we heard evidence from all of these eyewitnesses that trump didn't care about facts or evidence. the committee clearly believes that there was criminal intent, that trump knew the big lie was a big lie, but he didn't care. and it has lots of circumstantial evidence to support that claim. but, chris, what we have not heard yet is an admission from donald trump. the evidence is incriminating but so far there's no smoking gun. but we know that's how trump has traditionally operated. he doesn't like to leave his own dirty fingerprints.

the question now is whether that strategy will continue to work for him or whether the justice department will try to hold the ex president accountable, even if it doesn't have a slam dunk case. >> it was interesting former acting deputy attorney general talked about how hard it was to try to get through to the president by using facts. take a listen. >> i said something to the effect of, sir, we've done dozens of investigations, hundreds of interviews, the major allegations are not supported by the evidence developed. there were so many of these allegations that when you gave him a very direct answer on one of them, he wouldn't fight us on it but he would move to another allegation. >> it was, kyle, i guess and it's been referred to kind of like playing whack a mole with the allegations, right? >> that's what attorney general barr described it as.

to me he didn't have one aide after another say this was false, they let the aide talk about very specific allegations that the president raised and how they went about debunking them and told them how they debunked them and that it still never broke through. what trump would do is not just ignore them, he ostracized people to sydney powell and others who would validate his world view on this. >> and even after the president was told that his allegations repeatedly again of election fraud were false, he kept pushing donors to give money to something called the election defense fund, which they now say never existed and that most of the money isn't there went to something called the save america pac. take a listen. >> the select committee discovered that the save america pac made millions of contributions to pro-trump

organizations, including $1 million to trump's chief of staff mark meadows' foundation, $204,857 to the trump hotel collection and over $5 million to event strategies, inc, the company that ran president trump's january 6 rally. >> is that legal? >> the committee investigating one crime may have stumbled on another. that happens quite a bit. turns out we didn't find whitewater but we did find monica lewinsky. they are building a case of willful blindness, which could be obstruction of a proceeding. if he's using a false pretense,

a lie, to collect money from people, that could also be a charge of fire fraud. we may have seen an expansion of liability here. >> it also doesn't go to mindset. that's just following the numbers, following the number, they would say, during watergate. >> i think the same mindset that would be a support for any of these other election-based crimes would be the same mindset used as evidence in a fraud claim. what comes out to me is i thought we heard crystal clear today what i thought is the essence of willful blindness. that is a theory of liability of knowledge of fraud and that was when william barr said he showed no indication of any interest in what the actual facts are. that's is the definition of willful blindness. >> i've seen and heard from a lot of people who said today was better than they thought it would be. the first hearing got impressive

viewership, more than the world series and olympic opening ceremony. we don't know how many people will watch today but there will be clips. play the powerball, referring to the chances that trump could win after arizona was called and how hungry people were to consume-wise. what should we be looking at to suggest the committee's work is building to something politically? >> first of all, they've done a terrific job establishing. and the viewership the other night very impressive. undoubtedly today will be less, it's not primetime, people are at work. but people will consume it on cable and see the clips on the nightly news and this evening on msnbc. there is a break through. i think that thursday night the primetime hearing was defined by that gripping video, never-before-seen footage of the riot. today these testimonies are so

damning in terms of painting a picture of the president being fully aware and people around him being fully aware he did not win. >> do you think it matters to the people in the middle that the people giving this testimony were republicans? >> that's the goal. that was the plan of the committees. they think this is far more effective. not just members of the gop. members of trump's inner circle, people close to the former president himself. they're the ones saying this. they do think this could break through. and maybe down the road, we heard from congressman schiff, he thinks there could be criminal charges in the offing. the goal is not just january 6th to prevent it again, that includes donald trump the favorite to be the gop nominee to prevent him to get anywhere near power again. >> what more are we likely to

learn on wednesday? >> i think we're going to learn even more detail of what played out in the justice department. you heard some of that testimony today. bill barr left before all of this really came to a head of january 6th. so his successor, jeff rosen, his deputy, richard donahue, they're going to talk about their efforts to run down these false claims and debunk them and the push by trump to replace him when trump didn't hear what he wanted to hear. it shows you how far he would go to use the levers of government to further his effort. >> when you look at building a case potentially d.o.j., again, this is the political side of it but when you look at what we know so far, what do you hope to learn on wednesday? >> so today's testimony was kind of lawyerly and contrasted the opening hearing, which was graphic and dramatic. so on wednesday i think we're going to see a synthesis of both

those approaches. we're going to hear evidence about the oathkeepers and proud boys and they've already been charged, some of them, with seditious conspiracy. what's the link with trump? i think some people on the panel think the link goes to people like roger stone. so i think we're going to see those ties established on wednesday. again, links between the actual violence of the insurrection and donald trump. >> paul butler, barbara mcquade, jonathan lemire, that's to all of you. and we're going to turn to the other story, getting meaningful gun legislation to the president's desk. what will the actual bill look like and when will it get a vote vote? and the dow down another 700 plus point while gas prices are up. the fed seems ready to take

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there's mounting pressure on a group of democratic and republican senators to hold together the bipartisan framework deal that they made on gun violence legislation. can the idea that they hammered out be translated into actual legislation, maintaining the support of all ten republicans senators so they can make it across the finish line? this morning the lead democrat in the talks, connecticut senator chris murphy, sounded this note of optimism. >> there's a reason why we haven't passed any anti-gun legislation in 30 years. this is difficult. the fact is we reached a compromise over the weekend that will save lives. this is a compromise but it is a difference maker, it is a substantial compromise that is going to stop a lot of suicides, a lot of homicides and save a lot of lives in this country.

dialing up the pressure and the urgency even more, americans taking their demand for change to the streets. in washington at the second march for our lives rally on the national mall, just look at this crowd, tens of thousands of people right in front of the washington monument. and it wasn't just there. more than 400 rallies held in cities across the country in almost all 50 states. ali, there does seem to be optimism and nervousness. they have to turn this into an actual bill and there's plenty of time for things to get in the way. give us the level of confidence given what you're hearing? >> reporter: i think of you laid out the reality check perfectly there. there is nothing signed, sealed or delivered yet. another thing senator chris murphy, who has you mentioned

has been leading this effort not just since the shootings in uvalde and buffalo but for near live ten years since sandy hook, he said he's confident that this framework, the initial deal, is solid enough, that it already has the minimum amount of republicans in support of it to break the filibuster. senate democrats have another reason to be more confident than house democrats right now after house democrats passed those set of bills last week on the house side that have no chance of passing in the senate. so there's really a sense of optimism on the democratic side now that at least ten republicans have really committed their support to these provisions. and i'm going to lay out a few of them right now. if passed, this bill would provide incentives for states to implement those red flag laws that would allow weapons to be taken away for those deemed to be a danger to themselves or others. it would also boost funding for mental health, suicide prevention and school safety.

it would prevent domestic violence offenders from worcester purchasing guns by causing that so-called boyfriend loopholes and expands background checks for gun buyers under 21 but setting up a review of juvenile and mental health records, something that may have blocked the shooter in uvalde from buying his weapons. the big question is what happens now? how long does this take to be voted on? senators are back today working on drafting this legislation hoping, they say, to have a vote by july. democrats say they think they can get more than ten republicans to sign on to this, but that would obviously require senate minority leader mitch mcconnell's blessing. yesterday after this diept deal was announced, he issued a statement where he said he proshts the hard work these senators but he really stopped short of offering his support. our team caught up with senator cornyn, who has been leading

this effort on the republican side. as he was walking to his office today, he addressed that actually in a sound bite here. >> i think he certainly supports the process but he hasn't, to my knowledge, said so, yeah, i think he's supportive of the process but that's where we are right now. people are waiting for text. we don't vote on press releases, we vote on text. that's why the hard work this week is going to continue. >> cornyn added his optimistic he can get a draft to senate majority leader chuck schumer pitch next week. >> i want to bring in chris brown, president of the brady campaign. she started her career on capitol hill and advocated for what would eventually become the brady bill, requiring become ground checks on federally licensed gun sales. thanks so much for being with us how would you rate this bill as it stands right now?

>> i would rate it for our movement as an a-plus. and in terms of the details that actually acknowledge that firearms and gun safety are a part of reducing firearm injury and death in this country also as an a plus. a journey of a long way starts with a single step and this is more than a single step. it's fairly comprehensive. it covers a number of different issues that contribute to gun violence in this country. and i think if you look at the assortment of senators on the republican side and the democratic side, what you find interesting here is among the ten republican senators, eight of them have a or a-plus ratings from the national rifle association. the assortment of democrats have f and one d. and that's joe manchin. we have not seen this before. and, frankly, we've not seen it

on any issue out of this. it's very important. americans across this country are fed up and they know that part of the solution of ending the epidemic of gun violence, a uniquely american problem, is actually reasonable gun safety. this isn't controversial. and so for that reason, it is very, very important for our movement. >> you're right about the nra rating about those ten senators. they're also not running for reelection, is what some people have pointed out. and there is also which said in a statement they do not take positions on frameworks but, the big "if" and you've lived this, is whether they can apply pressure, cast doubt as this pressure moves long. mitch mcconnell hasn't said he's on board yet. how worried are you about what happens between now and the time

it presumably gets to the fin ush line and at least to a vote at the end of july. >> if you have ten republicans in the united states senate agreeing with ten democrats in the united states senate on a framework that is no i did work on capitol hill for eight years and the devils are in the details, but it's high enough level with enough detail that i know from my conversations with the staff they understand what needs to be put into those bills and i don't think these folks, while astute in politics, would be signing on to a framework on a sunday just to back away from it two weeks later. one other thing i'll say about the idea that the nra does not sign off or comment on frameworks. the nra has attempted to scuttle every major piece of gun safety, whether that is in the elemental form or stated form or detailed

legislative form for 30 years. they attempted tofr step of the way to stop that's our background check system. so it says a lot that they are trying to revise history and say they don't comment on things like this. of course they do. what they're afraid of is the reality that their talking points that gown violence in this country has nothing to do with firearms, that a good guy with a gun is all that it takes to stop a bad guy with a gun have been proven wrong. but for the american people, i this i we see with this framework that it has. the devil is in the details. we all need to continue to lift our voices but it's a big victory for gun violence prevention and the movement that's about the american people and wanting to be safe in public spaces and dropping our kids at school. this is a parents and kids almost as much as it is about anything else. >> let me ask you about the

visible aspect of that movement, which was all those marches over the weekend, those tens of thousands, probably hundreds of tho and you these the commitment from most americans and the bill, assuming it passes. there's already a debate. is this the first step or the final step? how do you harness that energy and momentum to make this not the last change in. >> well, brady has been around for a long time. jim and sarah brady were republicans, they were -- the rally this weekend, these are kids, young people traumatized by gun violence who have said enough. there is no question in the minds of anyone at the helm of this movement or any of all of

the folks of brady and the other groups, this is the beginning of much more needed change. and, by the way, we've accomplished that in state after state after state. the reason we have extreme risk laws, for example, and their support in this package is because 19 states and republican government governors have signed this into law. we're making law. it's the beginning, it's not the end. >> thank you for taking time to talk to us today. we appreciate it. >> just moments ago reporters asked attorney general merrick garland questions. we'll get that to you. >> and the average gallon of gas is now officially above $5 a gallon. are these prices going to ease up any time soon? plus, the big warning on what it

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had a chance to watch them. here's part of his response. >> i am watching and i will be watching all the hearings, although i may not be able to watch all of it live but i'll be sure i'll be watching all of it. i can assure you the january 6th prosecutors are watching all the hearings. >> let's bring back paul butler, msnbc legal and his. he said he can assure us that they are watching. we know the thousands and thousands of pieces of evidence. we know the people they have on tape, hundreds of people that they've interviewed, but would it be fair to say, paul, that any time somebody sits in that chair across from that committee and answers questions it's another opportunity, first of all, for new evidence and, number two, to see the ways in which the january 6th committee is weaving their story? >> that's exactly right, chris. think of two related audiences for the hearings. one is the department of

justice. congress does not have the power to bring a criminal prosecution. that's up to merrick garland. the other audience, though, is the american people and the panel hopes that the court of public opinion had help move the justice department. in that context, think about the evidence presented today that trump's campaign raised millions of dollars off of the big lie. part of that message is to the department of justice, it establishes another motive for why trump perpetrated that fraud, to make money, a familiar motive of donald trump. and it's a message, the message is that trump knew he lost, he was just playing you to get your money. >> paul butler, thank you for reacting to that news very quickly. we appreciate it. the other news that we're watching right now is the dow. let's take the latest look at

the numbers, down 642 points and fears over just how the federal reserve might respond. if you add to that gas prices that keep hitting new records, first time ever, a national average over $5 a gallon. at the grocery store the cost of food is up more than 10% this time last year, housing 5 1/2%, airfares, 37% and percentage-wise, gas is up a whopping 48.7%. joining me is kaleb silver. let's talk about those numbers, shall we? obviously they're hitting low-income americans very hard. they want to know what's the solution and how fast could it come m. >> i wish i could tell you. but it we have some looking at 6, $6.20 gas by the end of the summer in california.

in oregon, they're paying more than the national average there. gas prices will remain tight, demand replanes low. >> and another big week for the federal reserve. what do you expect to see in. >> the federal reserve is going to raise interest rates. the worry is they put the economy in a deep freeze if they raise them too fast and then we could go into a recession. >> i heard how it could affect the unemployment race. >> no it raises the for businesses that borrow money to expand, to hire people, to raise wages. we could get that destruction where rates get so high that nobody wants to borrow money, including abouts. >> i think one of the things

that have there certainly is not a correlation between how high gas prices have gone and the very small percentage that gas consumption has gone down. people's buying habits don't seem to be significantly impacted right now. is there a sense, though, we're very near that tipping point? >> yes. consumer credit is very high. for folks earning less than $50, one dollar out of every ten goes to buying gas, then you've got rent and all those other expenses. >> from rising prices to rising temperatures. millions of americans are under heat advisories today, which means lots of air conditioning. you don't want to hear about that. it was a brutal weekend of extreme temperatures in the southwest with two dozen major

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mostly anonymous, cursing officers out, sometimes threatening officers, including death threats against the police chief. they wouldn't go into many specifics but they say most of those death threats appear to be eight groups from outside calling. the police think most of the calls encouraging officers are commending them are from the local community. police say they did have some generic information before the event that agitators would be true the police also say they were aware of this group, they had seen videos of them online but didn't have any direct contact. they say it was really the call from a citizen who saw what they described as a small army loading into a u-haul at a hotel a the what they were certain would have been a riot. >> did they have any indication that there was any kind of specific plan that they have, gaudi? >> yeah, in fact there were

military it looked like what were almost military or law enforcement plans. "the new york times" actually detailed how there was smoke grenade that was supposed to be used after a column falling on the outside of the park, proceeding inwards towards these barriers were met. once the appropriate amount of confrontational was engaged, it sounded very military like. another thing we know, they do a lot of life action, role playing, simulation events at park and they post those online. some of those have since two -- in having those viral moments,

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