get through. instead they tell them to get this route. they think it's because they have so little regard for the humanity of these people. >> seems like the cartels are determining the policy. julia ainsley, great work. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. you can reach me on twitter and instagram at jdbalart. thank you for the privilege of your time. peter alexander picks up with more news right now. good tuesday morning. i'm peter alexander. president set to speak in philadelphia any moment about his economic priorities. right now the economic picture in this country is grim. this is a live look at the market, certainly better than it was this time 24 hours ago. the dow is down for the day, plunging nearly 900 points on monday. the s&p officially sliding into

bear market territory. the federal reserve could boost interest rates by .75 point to try to time inflation that has the cost of everything rising. gas is still hovering above $5.00 a gallon nationwide, getting close to $7.00 out west in california. an estimate from moody's shows american households are spending about $460 more per month on necessities than they were one year ago. that means more families are having to make tough decisions just to get by. >> there's no way. it's cheaper to fly. >> it feels like you can't catch a break. it's difficult to save up for the things i do need in the long-term. >> we'll have more on it in a moment as well as the january 6th committee's next public

hearing. it was scheduled for tomorrow. it was abruptly postponed. next steps in the senate on new gun legislation, when we could see actual text of a bill and most importantly a vote. we are going to start with the president's address genny moment now, and the economic realities that the country is facing. msnbc's mike memoli at his post in philadelphia. he's traveling with the president. also joining me is nbc's tom costello and nbc's jake ward who is in half moon bay, california, keeping a close eye on the impact of the gas prices and oil price, affecting a lot of americans right now. mike, the president is about to speak at the afl-cio convention there. they represent about 12.5 million americans. this is a home field advantage for the president speaking to this group. what is his driving message to

him and other americans today? >> reporter: peter, in fact, liz shuler, the new head of the afl-cio who is introducing the president called him the most pro union president ever in this country's history. this is very much a friendly crowd. when you talk about some of the economic data points you ran through, a number of troubling numbers for this white house, talk about other numbers. you look at just about any poll right now, you'll see two things. one, that voters are saying the economy and specifically inflation is the number one voting issue for them this november and you'll also see that the president's handling of the economy and his own personal approval rating is very low. as the president is being introduced behind me right now, this is an opportunity for him to give them what they're asking for, heading into the midterm elections with stronger winds at their back. the white house offering this

memo on the seat of every union attendee talking about rick scott and his plan to, among other things, sunset medicare, social security in five years. we'll send it back to you as the president is giving -- >> let's listen to the president of the united states. here he is. >> good to be home! as they say, y'all brung me to the damages. thank you. please, please have a seat. you're a gigantic reason why i'm standing here standing here as your president. i really mean it. back running for office when i was a kid, it was labor, union, made a difference. at the time we were a right-to-work state. we changed that, too. i've never forgotten not only

what you've done for me, but how importantly it meant to me and to the country, to our country, what you've done for the country. i want to thank liz for being such a good friend, the first woman to lead the afl-cio. born in a union household, started out as an organizer and she never stopped. congratulations, liz. congratulations. and congratulations to fred redman, secretary treasure as well. i hope your daughter-in-law knows she's marrying into a union family. anyway, it's bittersweet for all of us. rich was not only legendary labor leader, he literally was a close friend to me and to so many of you, a true friend.

when things weren't going well, he was always there. above all, he was an american worker. no matter how high he rose through the ranks, he never forgot where he came from. he never forgot where he came from or what this work is all about. before rich passed, he gave me -- [ applause ] -- he gave me the highest compliment i've ever gotten in my life and i mean it sincerely. he called me, what your president just did, the most pro union president in history. i promise to you i would be. as long as i have this job, i will remain that. [ applause ] >> thank you.

i've got to tell you, nothing made me prouder than that. that's why i made, should we put a former union president in as secretary of labor. marty walsh. he's going to learn how to speak english, but he's real. i kid him all the time. i'm joking. he parks his car in the car barn, but he knows what he's doing. marty was here yesterday and he's doing a hell of a job. he fights like hell for all of us. just yesterday i had a conversation, a zoom conversation with our next senator from this state, john fetterman. if you're in a fox hole, you want john with you, man. i know he can't wait to get back on the trail.

no bigger stronger voice for people working in this state than john. certainly no bigger one for that matter. we're also joined by three great member of congress, brendan boyle, labor, labor, labor. norcross is labor, labor and mary kay scanlon as well. by the way, they've all been there when the votes were tough, when the votes were tough to stay with you they were there. they're great champions of unions. stacey abrams is here as well. by the way, i'm going to ask you all a favor. help her in georgia. help stacey abrams in georgia. three things i learned early on, one, she's loyal, she's capable and she's smarter than you, me. she knows what she's doing.

folks, thanks for all of you for coming a long. we've come a long way in a short time. remember what our economy looked like before we took office. 3,000 americans dying every day from covid. 20 million americans had lost their jobs with the last guy. so many americans lost their jobs that my predecessor became just the second president in history to leave office with fewer jobs in america than when he took office. but you stepped up. the other one, by the way, was herbert hoover. remember those long lines of cars stretching miles back waiting for just a box of food to be put in the trunk. it wasn't just poor folk. it was working class, middle class folks. a lot of pretty nice cars in those lines. while it was going on, america created more than -- more billionaires during that crisis in 2020 than any year in

history. talk about a contrast. ordinary people waiting in line for an hour for a box of food. the policies in the past created more billionaires than ever in american history. folks, it's hard to believe, but it's true. that's what we inherited. then with your help we went to work with an economic vision that looks out from scranton, pennsylvania, hard working towns like it all across america, not down from wall street. wall street didn't build this country. the middle class built this country and unions built the middle class! i'm not joking. without unions there would be no middle class. that's a fact. by the way, there's a reason.

you're the best trained workers in the world. that's not high hyperbole. when you do well, everybody does well. if investment bankers in america, they're not bad guys. guess what? they went on strike, not a whole hell of a lot would happen. guess what? i tell this to my buddy at the ibw went on strike, everything shuts down. all of you go down the road. you guys don't understand, you don't -- i don't think you appreciate how critically important you all are. i'm not trying to be nice to you. it's just a fact. folks, we need an economy built from the middle out and the bottom up, not the top down. i know when the middle class does well, everybody does well. the wealthy do very well. they're never hurt. i also know too often we've had an economy where the wealthy do better and better while the

middle class gets left behind. we went to work to change that and started with the american rescue plan. the law helped 41 million people put food on their table. remember they were having trouble putting food on their table, and put money in the pockets of hard working americans who were in trouble, being thrown out on the street because they couldn't pay their rent through no fault of their own. it gave them what my dad used to call just a little bit of breathing room. the next step was the bipartisan infrastructure law. now not only is it infrastructure week, we've arrived in infrastructure decade! people are going to see a lot of it. we have to remind them where it's coming from. we announced nearly $3 billion

this year to improve more than 3,000 airports across 50 states. this year, this year we announced $5 billion so union workers can get to work building electric vehicles and charging stations. we announced the largest investment in public transit in american history, more than the entire amtrak system when it started. $20.5 billion. the people we come from, like when -- president obama would always give me the good assignments. i walked in and he said, joe, fix detroit. i said okay, no problem. you think i'm kidding. what i didn't realize is i didn't know a lot about the cities. when i was in detroit, the vast majority of the people living in the city, their jobs were out of town because they're not doing manufacturing in towns anymore. out of town. we got a rail system, a freight

system, a bus system that changed it. growing. it's going to create more good jobs using products made in america. folks, it's also going to reduce pollution while making it safer and safer for folks to go to work and get to work every day. what all this means for all of you is a simple proposition. i remember us having this discussion, old buddy, when i think global warming, i think jobs. jobs, jobs, jobs. good paying union jobs, jobs you can raise a family on, jobs that cannot be outsourced. look, the infrastructure law is about more than rebuilding our infrastructure. it's about rebuilding the middle class. and that's why we made sure the infrastructure law included significant labor protections. for example, an overwhelming majority of funds included in the law are subject to davis

baker requirements. the union has to do it. it's not just because i want to help unions. it's simple. we're the best in the world. if we're going to build infrastructure -- we don't talk enough about and i'm not going to take the time today. you know what? you don't just decide you want to be a pipe fitter or an electrician or whatever else you want to pick. it takes you four or five years, hard work. it's like going to college. fortunately you have these union paid -- you get paid to do some of it. but my point is, people don't realize, you've heard me in chambers of commerce, the best trained workers in the world. folks rebuilding our country will earn a prevailing wage, they should. another thing the law does, it's help expand registered apprenticeships. remember when the business is

saying we'll take care of the apprenticeships. bless me, father, for i have signed. come on, man. come on. union partnerships allow workers to earn while they learn. it matters. laying a strong foundation for the future of this country is about more than having strong roads and bridges. it's about making sure that here in america, folks who work hard can live their lives with dignity and respect. that's why i continue to call on congress to finally pass the pro act. which will make it easier for workers to organize. [ applause ] >> when franklin roosevelt

passed the nlrb, he didn't say you can't have unions. it said we should encourage unions. a big difference. look, i'm not just saying that to be pro union. i'm saying it because i'm pro american. folks, that's the approach i've taken to build this economy. it has to be done -- we brought down covid deaths by 90%. oh opened schools and businesses that were shuttered. it all created the greatest job recovery in american history. people don't want to talk about these days, but it's true. since i've become president we've created 8.7 million new jobs in 16 months. an all-time record. and even last month, 390,000

jobs and 600,000 new manufacturing jobs. who said manufacturing is dead in america? look, folks, our unemployment rate is near historic lows. 3.7% -- millions of americans -- i love these guys talking about -- guy left my employment and went to another job. because he got paid more. isn't that awful? isn't that a shame that they've got to compete for labor. better paying jobs. for better jobs for them and their families. it's been a long time since that's happened in this country. but it's happening now and it's working. since i took office with your help families are carrying less detonation wide. they have more savings

nationwide. more americans applied for new small businesses last year than ever before in american history. 5.4 million new small business applications. jobs and companies are coming home again and we're making buy american a reality, not just a slogan. i award no contracts from the federal government unless they bought it in america. by the way, republicans like to portray me as some kind of big spender. we have spent a lot of money. let's compare the facts. under my predecessor, the deficit exploded rising every single year, and all of the benefit going to the top 1% basically. under my plan, last year we cut the deficit by $350 billion.

doing all this. they talk about biden wants to spend more on schools. guess what? he's going to create a deficit. ladies and gentlemen, this year by the end of the fiscal year, we will have cut the federal deficit by another $1.6 trillion, in one year. one year. so when they come to you and talk about big spenders, let them know. almost $2 trillion in deficit reduction. i don't want to hear any more of these lies about reckless spending. we're changing people's lives. >> because of the fact this year, we're delivering the biggest drop in the deficit in

the history of the united states of america. [ applause ] look, the point is this, under my plans for the economy, we've made extraordinary progress and put america in the position to tackle a worldwide problem that's worse everywhere but here. inflation, it's zapping the strength of a lot of families. i grew up in a household not far from here, claymont and wilmington, where the price of a gallon of gas went up, it was a conversation at the dinner table. it mattered. it mattered to my working family. it mattered if the price of food went up. republicans in congress are doing everything they can to stop my plans to bring down the cost on ordinary families. that's why my plan is not finished and why the results aren't finished either.

jobs are back, but prices are still too high. covid is down, but gas prices are up. our work isn't done. but here's the deal. america still has a choice to make, a choice between a government by the few for the few or a government for all of us. democracy for all of us, an economy where all of us have a fair shot and a chance to earn our place in the economy. my plan is simple. first, i'm doing everything in my power to blunt food and gas price hikes. just since he invaded ukraine, it's gone up $1.74 a gallon because of nothing else but that. so i have a plan to bring down the cost of gas and food. it's going to take time, let the world create the largest release

for what i've been able to do, the largest release of oil from the global fund in history. a million barrels a day. and 240 million barrels to boost global supply by convincing other nations to join us, to keep prices from rising even more. i'm working closely with our european partners to get 20 million tons of grain locked in ukraine out onto the market to help bring down food prices. folks, look, what putin's war has done is not only try to wipe out the culture of ukrainians, decimate people and commit innumerable war crimes, but he's also prevented thousands of tons of grains ready to be exported, but it can't get out to the

black saw because it will be blown out of the water. so working on a plan to get it out to other countries by rail. guess what? ukraine has a system like russia has, a rail gauge that is different than the gauge of the rest of the tracks in europe. so we're going to build silos, temporary silos in the borders of ukraine, including in poland, so we can transfer it from those cars into those silos, into cars in europe and get it out to the ocean and get it across the world. but it's taking time. second, we're going to work to bring down gas and food prices, we can save money on other items. change the dynamic of middle class families. look, giving them a little breathing room, my dad said. you heard me say that before. imagine what most middle class

and working class families do they look at the monthly bill they have on everything, the rent or the mortgage, the cost of maintaining a car, the food, everything. so if portions of that go up, one of the ways to deal with inflation is bring the other costs down. for example, 200,000 people type 1 diabetes are paying up to $1,000 a month for insulin. we can make sure they pay no more than $35 a month. by the way, the drug companies are still doing well. they're making 3.5 times the cost. my plan gives medicare the power to negotiate with the pharmaceutical companies, just like the veterans administration does. bring down the average price of prescription drugs is a gigantic

way -- it really does. it affects the total amount of money you've got to write out of that checkbook. gas is up and food is up which we're going to get down come hell or high water. but there's other things we can do, beyond getting the price of insulin down to $35 a month. imagine the difference it could make. imagine the difference it can make if you had other things i've been proposing. imagine if you're in a situation where you're able to -- a position to pay for preschool for kids that are 3 and 4 years old, increasing exponentially the possibility of going no matter what family they come from in terms of educational standing, to raise the standard for people. imagine what we can do for child care in a city like philadelphia, new york, the big city of chicago, it costs $12,000 to $14,000 a month for child care. they shouldn't have to pay more

than 7% of your income for that. we can easily afford to do it. i really mean it. think how that would change the families you represent. think how it will change the circumstances for working class people. by the way, it can do the same thing with utility bills. congress could ease the cost to families by passing the clean energy investments i propose, tax credits for business to produce cleaner injury, tax cuts for families that make their homes more energy efficient which would mean a lot more jobs, by the way, for some folks in this room. nearly a dozen large ceos of the largest 12 utility companies in america. they said, if you pass that tax cut, that tax credit for modernizing the home, winterizing, et cetera, we will guarantee we'll immediately lower the average cost $500 a

year for the average family. that would help a lot. in the long run it would make america truly energy independent so in the future american families no longer subject to the whims of dictators halfway around the world. saving money not only on prescription drugs, utility bills but on rent and mortgage costs. high-speed internet. you guys out there are going to be putting in -- we've already got the money for it, billions of dollars. guess what? when you get it done, it will lower the cost for every family by 30 bucks a month. that's a lot of money and a lot of jobs. look, we can do all this. i'm asking -- all i'm asking is for the largest corporations and

the wealthiest americans to begin to pay their fair share of taxes. [ cheers and applause ] anybody out there think the tax system is fair, raise your hand. look, under my plan i made this commitment in the beginning and nothing has changed. no one making less than $400,000 a year will pay a single solitary penny more in federal taxes, nobody. we'll no longer have a situation where 55 of the largest fortune 500 companies made $40 billion each year the last two years and paid zero, zero, zero in federal income tax on that profit.

40 billion. that's a fact. i give you my word. it's a fact. the fact is we've got about roughly 790 or so billionaires in america. you know what their average tax rate is? i'm serious now. this is dead earnest. you can check it out. 8%. the tax rate for all of you is significantly higher, two to three to four times higher tax rate. i say it again, 8% in federal taxes. anybody in this room who thinks -- i know you don't think it's fair, but we've got to do something about it. by the way, it's not just labor, organized labor, unions and democrats who think that. the average republican knows it's not fair. that suburban mom and dad out there, they look around and know it's not fair. i happen to believe that no billionaire should be paying a

lower tax rate than a teacher, firefighter, electrician or a cop. republicans have it all backwards. their plan calls for incriesing taxes on middle class and cutting taxes for corporations and wealthy americans. i'm not talking about punishing anyone. just pay your fair share. it's a matter of decency, a matter of dignity. it's a matter of fiscal responsibility. look, i believe in bipartisanship, but the maga party, i've been able to bring some republicans along on parts of my plan. the fact is republicans in congress are still in the grip of the ultra maga agenda. they still refuse to consider changing any part of the trump tax cuts which delivered massive windfalls to billionaires and others. they weren't paid for it.

they still refused to consider a minimum corporate tax of 15% minimum tax. they seem to think the problem in america today is that working families aren't paying enough. congressional republican senator rick scott of florida, as my mother would say, god love him, he laid out a plan -- i think you have it in your desks. i just took one page of that plan. this is published. it says all -- this is just one of their ideas. all federal legislation sunsets in five years. if the law is worth keeping, congress could pass it again. guess what that is? social security. not a joke. social security, medicare, medicaid.

not a joke. every five years it would be put on the chopping block. every five years. if it's not reinstated by a vote in the senate of 60 or more, guess what? it automatically is out of existence that's what they're proposing, unless the congress votes to bring them back into existence. think about that. social security, you paid for your whole life. medicare, medicaid, not a joke. really, ask yourself, how are you going to sleep at night knowing that every five years ted cruz and the other ultra maga republicans are going to vote on whether you'll have social security, medicare and medicaid? it's unlikely they'll be able to wipe it out. any one of you doubt for a second they'll find ways to cut benefits and programs in order to keep anything going? that's what this is about.

they've always wanted to cut social security. they've always wanted to cut medicare, always wanted to cut medicaid. if you have to start from scratch, the gentleman from wisconsin, senator ron johnson, is back at it again, trying to dismantle the affordable care act including protections for pre-existing conditions. 100 million people have pre-existing conditions. the only reason the insurance company has to cover it is because of that law, and they're never going to stop going after it! so now, the plan that senator scott is trying to walk back, but it's clear the last thing they want to see is workers with power in this country. the bottom line is this, and i truly believe we've made extraordinary progress by laying a new foundation for our economy which becomes clear once global inflation begins to recede. there's so much at stake.

the truth is i've never been more optimistic about america than i am today. i really mean it. i travel the world trying to put things back together. trump did not leave a very good situation. you think i'm kidding. no matter where i go in the world, whether it was the interamerican conference we just had for this hemisphere or nato or dealing with the asean countries or the far east. guess what? they look at me and i say america is back. they look at me and they say for how long? this is america. we can do any damn thing we put our minds to. guess what? we're not going back to the false promises of the trickle-down economics. we're going forward. we're going forward.

i really mean this. i know i'm called a cock-eyed optimist, but this is based on history. we're the most unique country in the world. we're organized on one notion. every other country is based on ethnicity, religion, geography, but the united states is based on the idea, the only country in the world based on an idea. think about it. look to your right, to your left, see if everybody shares the same backgrounds. we're so diverse. why are we doing it? because we said we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men and women are created equal, endowed by the creator with certain inalienable rights, life, liberty. we've never met the goal, but we've never, other than the trump administration, tried to walk away from that goal. it gets better every time we push.

unions, unions are going to play a critical role in that future. america has always counted on union workers give us half a chance. you have never, ever, ever let the country down. we're counting on you again to build this country for all of us. help build an economy that works for working people. i promise you, i'm going to keep fighting for you. are you prepared to fight with me? let's build it together. let's continue to give working families a fighting chance. face our challenges headon and let's keep building a better america because we can do it. god bless you all and may god protect our troops! [ cheers and applause ] you've been listening to president biden speaking there in philadelphia, an animated president, speaking about the contrast between his agenda and that of the ultra maga

republican party, as he described it, with a series of swipes at his predecessor, former president trump. the president never using the word inflation, but acknowledging while jobs are back, that prices are still too high, saying he's going to do everything in his power to bring gas prices and food prices down in this country, saying his work is still not done. i want to join some of our colleagues who have been watching. nbc's mike memoli is in the room in philadelphia with the president. nbc's jake ward is in half moon bay, california. also with me amari only meek way from the "wall street journal". the president's desire was to send a message to americans right now who are watching their wallets shrink in effect right now. the markets getting a bad hit yesterday. the fed preparing to race interest rates by as much as .75 a point.

>> reporter: peter, when you list some of those economic indicators that are flashing red warning signs for the party, i think back to a conversation our colleague kelly o'donnell had with gina raimundo. she said we're asking for patience from the american people at a time when we know that's a lot to ask. the problem for this administration and they know it squarely is not only are the american people writ large frustrated and impatient about some of these economic trends, the democratic voters, democrats in particular are impatient with this white house, they're questioning whether president biden is going to be leading democrats to political defeat in november and whether he should consider running for a second term. this speech before about as friend -- it was an opportunity for the president to test new themes for this midterm election year. some of what we heard from the president we've been hearing a lot. talking about the american

rescue plan, the bipartisan infrastructure law as big accomplishments for his administration. as he said, led to record job growth. these are the economic trends he wants to talk about. as it relates to some of these other headwinds, he pointed the finger in two directions. one, vladimir putin again, putin's price hike being responsible for the gas price hikes. and in a much sharper way than we've heard of late, at congressional republicans. we talked about this election being a choice of a dax by few and for the few or one where everyone has a shot at the economy. it's worth noting as well, peter, the president making news early in the speech, one of the important races this year, he said he had a zoom conversation yesterday with lieutenant governor of pennsylvania john fetterman who is the nominee in

the senate issue. having health issues, he has not been o the campaign trail. the president says fetterman is looking forward to getting back on the campaign trail this fall. >> pennsylvania obviously going to be a key race, democrats hoping to do everything they can to hold control of the senate, to say nothing of the house, facing serious headwinds. one other headline we should note the president made is discussing his plan to build temporary grain silos in the western part of ukraine so they can try to get out some of the product there, the grain in that country which is having a real impact on food prices around the world. i want to get to omara. a large focus for many americans is the state of the economy and the state of the markets. the two are not one in the same, but they can be affected in ways. the fed meeting for the first of

this multi-day visit. originally forecasters thought maybe half a percentage point, now .75 of a point. the market down another 120 points today, down 900 points yesterday. what change that's making them likely to raise the rate higher and what they're trying to accomplish as fast as they can. >> what changed really is the inflation number we saw on friday. inflation at 8.6% rate, on an annual basis that was higher than what many economists were expecting. the fed made it clear that bringing down inflation is they're taking very seriously, mounting a very aggressive campaign to do that. when you see they're considering raising rates more than they've previously given guidance for, that's a reflection of how seriously they're taking this problem and how serious they think inflation is right now. essentially what the fed is trying to do, they're trying to bring down inflation without launching the economy into a

full-on recession. but some of what you see in the market and some of the fear out there is they will not be able to do that, that they will not be able to continue to raise rates and take these other steps they're taking without bringing a significant economic slowdown. that's what some of the uncertainty is out there. that's why you see what's happening in the market and why you see real fears that more aggressive moves will be needed by the feds. >> as you were speaking, we were seeing the graphics of the real rise we're seeing, the grocery store, the gas as well. jay is out at half moon bay, just south of san francisco. this is not just about gas prices and the effect they have at the pump. it is affecting our food supply as well. we should note on this topic that the white house made it official saying the president, about a month from now, will be traveling to the middle east, going to saudi arabia. a bit of a reversal given his comments during the campaign, saying he would make the saudis,

effectively that regime a pariah after the death of jamal khashoggi, "the washington post" contributor. mohammed bin salman who is said to be responsible for that in part. what are you seeing there as you see how this issue of gas is affecting us across the board? >> reporter: peter, there's really no other better evidence for how closely tied food and gas are than where i'm standing. this is pillar point harbor. it's essentially -- think of it as a quick gas station stop in northern california. al throughout the west coast you have boats coming in to refuel and be ready for salman season. that's what's going on during this time of year. it starts up in a few weeks. the challenge, peter, for a place like this, for an industry like this that employs about 1.2 million americans. what the president is saying about trying to do everything in his power like going and trying to talk to saudi arabia, like trying to release new global

reserves of oil, all of that sounds good, but it may not fundamentally affect the fate of people in this industry. this industry is already very heavily subsidized and the price of diesel here directly impacts the ability of these folks to do their job. diesel is up over about $5.00 a gallon right now. that was about $3.00 a year ago. we're talking about an extraordinary increase. you also have in this case all these other factors slowing down the ability of people to bring food to the table. you have an overfished salmon stock in the pacific. you have extraordinary difficulties when it comes to finding enough people to staff these boats. all these things are coming together in one place and yet you have the president saying i'm going to do everything in my power to try to reduce the price of food, reduce the price of gas. those two things are very closely connected here.

it is not at all clear what kind of leverage the president has available to him to pull when it comes to solving this problem. >> can't help but acknowledge in california gas prices peaking in that state higher than anywhere else in the country approaching $7.00 in recent days. jake, mike, amara, we thank you for your reporting. still ahead on "msnbc live," attorney general merrick garland says he's watching the january 6th committee hearings and so are his prosecutors, as the committee lays out its roadmap for potential prosecution, is there enough there there for the justice department to charge former president trump. we're digging into that and why tomorrow's hearing was postponed. we'll have that answer when we see you coming up next. you spend your ime wisely. and what better way of spending time than traveling, continuing to educate ourselves and broaden our minds?

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we are back now on msnbc. a big change to the schedule for the january 6th hearings. tomorrow, the committee was planning a hearing with several former senior justice department officials who served under former president trump.

that has now been postponed. the next hearing will be this thursday. instead will focus on the pressure campaign the former president put on his vice president, mike pence, to try to overturn the 2020 election results. that comes after monday's hearing that focused on trump pushing false conspiracy theories that the 2020 election was stolen even after he was repeatedly told by his advisors that that was not true. >> i was somewhat demoralized. i thought if he believes this stuff, he has, you know, lost contact with -- he has become detached with reality that he believes this stuff. >> that is the man who has become the star witness you even on tape. the former attorney general, william barr. joining me now are ali vitali, peter baker and former u.s. attorney harry lipman who was

former deputy assistant attorney general. ali, tell us what we know about why the hearing tomorrow was postponed and when we think we will hear more about the trump justice department and the pressure the president put on them. >> peter, the committee is saying that this is an instance of technical issues, that this is meant to give the committee staff, working behind the scenes to cut together and edit the video yesterday and in the initial hearing, to give them a little bit more room to do their job. so what we are going to see is now tomorrow's hearing postponed to another date that's not yet been announced. thursday's hearing still at this point happening. the focus, as you mentioned, going to be on the pressure campaign on the former vice president, mike pence. the way you can think of these hearings though is that each of them is its own piece in the jigsaw puzzle they are trying to put together. it doesn't matter what order you put them on the table and put them together in. either way, it's going to paint

the same picture. the committee would argue, this is not disruptive to the narrative they're trying to tell. instead, they are trying to give their staff space to tell it the right way. >> certainly, the committee having to put a lot of clips in order to be able to deliver their message to the american people, now having done it twice, they have several more hearings scheduled. peter, i want to ask you about what the next hearing will focus on, that pressure campaign on the former vice president. this was liz cheney, what she said about mr. trump and pence during last thursday's hearing. take a listen. >> chants to hang mike pence, the president said, maybe our supporters have the right idea, mike pence deserves it. >> that was one of the most startling moments. can you walk us through what we expect to hear thursday as it relates to the former vice

president who separated himself from the man he served beneath, saying his claims that any one person could overturn it or he won the election are wrong? >> yeah. it was -- that was extraordinary. the president of the united states would say that about his own vice president, even if he wasn't serious, goes to show how determined he was to hang on to power and how everything else was secondary to that. the story i think the january 6 committee is going to tell thursday is about a relentless pressure campaign on the vice president to not only try to stop joe biden's victory but to take actions that mike pence concluded and his lawyers concluded were unconstitutional. we have seen memos and at least clips of testimony from his lawyer, from others around him showing how they were resisting the president and the president continued to push right up until the hour that the vice president was heading to the hill for that critical meeting on january 6. >> of course, greg jacob, one of

the lawyers who told the vice president that he should push back on the president's claims that he could overturn the election, among those expected to testify. harry, i want to ask you very quickly about chairman thompson. he said the panel will not make criminal referrals. liz cheney would tweet saying they hadn't reached a conclusion regarding potential criminal referrals. they will announce a decision on that at an appropriate time. a lot of americans have been paying attention and saying there's more than enough evident for the doj to do something. to be clear, they don't need a referral, right? >> there's more than enough evidence. the committee is divided. i think if they don't, what they are thinking about, peter, is first, garland will make his own decision anyway. it doesn't matter. second, if he decides to go forward, they don't want it to look as if it was tainted or the

impetus was their hearing rather than garland's own determination of the facts. >> the bottom line is we're going to hear from a new lineup of those who worked beneath the former president. jeffrey rosen pushed back against the president as well. you heard from some of the other lawyers saying things like the made-up theories were nuts. all of it to be on the docket as we hear that. ali, peter, harry, we thank all of you. that's going to do it for us on this busy hour of reporting. that hearing scheduled for tomorrow will now take place at a later date. the next hearing will take place this thursday. you will see live coverage here on msnbc. that will do it for us. "andrea mitchell reports" starts next. no, he's seizing the moment with merrill. moving his money into his investment account in real time and that's... how you collect coins. your money never stops working for you with merrill, a bank of america company.

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reports" in washington. as president biden speaking today to the afl\cio in philadelphia. amidst growing concerns about the midterms with gas prices and inflation the top issues on voters' minds. >> jobs are back. prices are still too high. covid is down, but gas prices are up. our work isn't done. but here is the deal. america still has a choice to make, a choice between a government by the few for the few or a government for all of us. >> with the fed under pressure today to put brakes on inflation with its meeting tomorrow with a higher than expected interest rate hike, the white house announcing mr. biden is going to make a controversial visit to saudi arabia next month. we will drill down on why a little later. the january 6th committee is postponing its next hearing originally set for tomorrow. they say that instead they will focus thursday on how donald trump pressured his ve