tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC June 16, 2022 1:00am-2:00am PDT
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we got an answer about the mob that day looking for individual members of congress, hunting down individual lawmakers they wanted to target. the answers we got today were the worst possible answers. we have been looking at this. we've been asking questions about this for a long time, since right after the attack, including multiple segments here on this show talking about it.
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now, as of today, the whole country looks like we finally know. it started, for us, we first got word of this worst-possible scenario, as i say, right after the january 6th attack. it was a week after january 6th, 2021. congresswoman mikie sherrill, who was a navy veteran, former federal prosecutor, she made a just hair-curling public allegation about other members of congress, republican members of congress. it was very, very worrying, again, one week after january 6th. >> not only do i intend to see that the president is removed and never runs for office again and doesn't have access to classified material, i also intend to see those members of congress who embedded him, the members who had groups coming through the capitol that i saw on january 6th, reconnaissance for the next day, the members of congress that incited this
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violent crowd, those members of congress that attempted to help our president undermine our democracy, i'm going to see they're held accountable and, if necessary, ensure they don't serve in congress. >> that was january 12th, 2021. mikie sherrill, congresswoman, saying that members of congress had groups coming through the capitol complex on january 5th doing reconnaissance for the next day, presumably so they'd be oriented to the layout of the capitol. presumably, they'd know how to find their way around, how to potentially find who they were looking for. mikie sherrill and 33 other members of congress wrote to the capitol police and sergeant-at-arms providing detail about what they'd seen, what they were worried about, and asked for an investigation. congresswoman sherrill told us january 13th that she had seen tours in the house office building specifically the day before the attack, and that it was shocking to her at time.
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>> i was really shocked when i got into the house office building and saw these groups inside. what was so shocking is, you know, as you mentioned, visitors aren't allowed in the capitol complex. you know, since march, since the start of covid, that's been shut down. all tours are shut down. that was true in the last congress. it was reiterated on january 3rd in the new congress that there would be no tourists allowed, even tours given by members. so the only reason you'd have a visitor is on reiterated, the o
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these people could have gotten into the capitol complex was with a member or that member's staff. we now know that those violent groups that attacked the capitol complex had inside knowledge of the capitol grounds. >> congresswoman mikie sherrill, with support from 33 other members of congress, she raised this big red flag right after january 6th, saying inexplicable tours of the capitol complex the day before the attack, when tours were not allowed, were nevertheless being led or facilitated by republican members of congress and their staff. in her estimation, the tours appeared to be reconnaissance for the attack the following day and may have had something to do with the fact that a lot of people in the crowd seemed suspiciously well oriented to surroundings once they got inside the capitol complex. well, what happened after that is that republicans in congress said they looked into it. they checked it out, and it turns out they were sure there
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were no tours given of the capitol complex the day before january 6th. republicans said they'd looked at all the security footage from january 5th, and they wanted to assure everyone the allegation was bunk. there was no one who led any tour of the capitol complex an january 5th, the day before the attack. one republican staffer described the supposed review in detail to "the hill" news, saying the republicans watched every second of security camera footage from inside the complex january 5th and, quote, there were no tours, no large groups, no one with maga hats on. there is nothing in there remotely fitting the depiction in mikie sherrill's letter. congressman of georgia filed an ethics complaint against mikie sherrill, claiming she was the real criminal for having made this false allegation, for falsely claimed that any members of congress led any tours of the complex on january 5th. how dare she suggest such a thing. she ought to be investigated for falsely suggesting that.
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well, then last month, the january 6th investigators stuck a cork in that pretty definitively. they sent a letter to congressman laudlaudermilk of georgia who says, actually, it appears to be you. not only was one tour led through the complex the day before the capitol attack, but you, sir, you led it. the congressman stopped denying there had been tours on january 5th. he finally did admit that, yes, he led one but he said it was innocent, not related to the january 6th attack the following day at all. he said it was just prejudice against his georgia constituents because they were wearing red maga hats during the tour. he refused to answer questions about it to the january 6th investigators. now, a case against the pro-trump military group that led route to the capitol, it has
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emerged in that trial that advanced planning for the capitol attack, included a written document that was titled 1776 returns. and that described pro-trump militants getting the mob to take over and occupy specific buildings in and around the capitol complex. the united states supreme court was one. also the senate office buildings and the house office buildings. that document was just published in a court filing today, so we can now see how it lays it out. overall goal, fill the buildings with patriots and communicate our demands, remain control over a select few of crucial buildings. we need as many people as possible inside these buildings and they have the list of the buildings they want to occupy. for cnn, they just want to be in the doorway but then occupy the supreme court building, occupy the three office buildings where senators have their offices, and then they want to occupy the three buildings where members of
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the house have their offices. and longworth and rayburn office buildings. those are the targeted buildings for the takeover on january 6th. and they provide this convenient map, circling all of those buildings so the mob will be able to find them all on january 6th. the plan was very detailed. it called for a lead and a backup lead agent in case the lead got arrested. those folks were supposed to get inside the buildings first thing and dress innocuously, dress in suits so they would blend in and facilitate letting the mobs swarm in. this one section of the 1776 plan quote execution, ensure crowd outside is fully ready to go. have leads open the doors for the crowd to enter this. might include causing trouble near the front doors to distract guards who may be holding the doors off. and pulling the fire alarm. the goal is to ensure there is an entry point for the masses to rush the building. again the buildings they wanted to rush and kill the patriots
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were for the most part the office buildings where members of congress and members of the senate have their offices. targeted buildings. this is not, for the u.s. capitol building itself, which is the thing with the, you know, the house chamber and the senate chamber and the big dome, the row tun dark not for that, the -- rotunda, this is not for that, this is office buildings. in this seditious conspiracy case against members of the proud boys, this document had previously been described by prosecutors in an indictment before today, but it just today was included in a public-facing filing. so you can all see it for the first time. and if that were the basic plan, either a plan that was you know circulated and agreed to among the attackers or just the big idea of the plan, january 6th attackers might have mused about privately, if this was the approach you were going to take, of course, it would be handy to have a working knowledge of the layout and interior of the
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office buildings where members of congress have their offices, right? if you wanted to go target individual members of congress, to menace them, to terrorize them, it would be helpful to have that familiarity where they had their offices. well, today, new news. it follows a strange letter, at least earlier this week, from the chief of the u.s. capitol police that says the u.s. capitol police looked into this question of whether there were tours the day before the attack, and yes, there was a tour led by congressman barry loudermilk but they are pretty sure nothing suspicious happened since the tour did not go into the capitol building itself, the tour did not go into the building with the rotunda and the house and senate chambers. i think this is a strange letter from the u.s. capitol complex because who cares whether the tour went through that specific part of the capitol complex. this is a strange assertion from the capitol police that the tour wasn't suspicious because it
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didn't go into that capitol building itself. it's like if you were investigating arson, you say yeah, but we do have like doorbell camera footage of a guy standing on the front step holding a gas can and a lit open zippo. but we didn't see him set that particular front door on fire. so probably that guy didn't set any of the rest of the house on fire either. he was just passing by. no sign of potential problem here. you're cleared. that somewhat strange letter about the loudermilk tour being okay because it didn't go into the capitol building, that came from the capitol police chief a couple of days ago. congressman barry loudermilk who responded that he had been exonerated in this matter. then today the january 6th investigators released this, released video and still images of the republican congressman gary loudermilk leading that group on an hours long tour of all three house office buildings
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on january 5th. hours. in all three office buildings where members of congress have their offices and one member of the group strangely takes pictures of things that tourists don't typically take pictures of. security checkpoints and hallways and stairways. we know that a member of the tour took this picture of the office nameplate outside jerry nadler's office and this picture of what appears to be a directory listing of democratic members from the judiciary committee, including their photos. multiple members of this tour group led by congressman loudermilk apparently photographed the entrance of a tunnel that leads from the rayburn office building right into the united states capitol. why are they all taking pictures of the tunnel. the committee says that multiple participants from barry loudermilk's tour, including the man who is taking photos of the security checkpoints in the hallway, january 6th investigators say that man and others from the tour then did participate in the january 6th
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events the following day. in fact, the man who was taking the odd pictures of the security checkpoints and the hall wares and the stairways, according to the investigation, he shot this video for facebook live on january 6th, in which he interacts with the person who he calls our fearless leader, the man shows off how he modified his flag pole to put what appears to be something sharp at the tip of it or sharpened the tip of the pole itself to use it like a spear. the man says it is for a certain person and the man shooting the video, the man from congressman loudermilk's tour says yeah, that is for someone special and mimes jabbing it into someone. the man from the tour says on the video they are coming for jerry nadler, repeats jerry nadler's name, congressman nadler's name a couple of different times and coming for jerry nadler, and chuck schumer and aoc and alexandria ocasio-cortez and specifically threatens pelosi and tear out her hair, if he gets his hands
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on her. in was the guy who had been on barry loudermilk's tour the previous day shooting security checkpoints and hallways and stairwells inside the buildings that housed the offices of members of congress. >> it has begun. the washington monument. washington, d.c. say hello to facebook. >> hey, what's going on, nice to see you, bro. >> our fearless leader. >> check out my flag i made, guys. see it? >> there you go, buddy. for a certain person. >> that's right. that's for somebody, somebody special. somebody special.
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>> all right. we are basically at the capitol. we're probably close to two million true american patriots. they are swarming and converging, mainly from constitution avenue, but from all routes in. there is no escape, pelosi, schumer, nadler. we're coming for you. we're coming in like white on rice, pelosi, nadler, schumer, even you, aoc, we're coming to take you out. and pull you out by your hair, how about that, pelosi?
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>> the man in the brown suit, who you see leading the folks around the office buildings appears to be congressman barry loudermilk himself. the implication that this release of the january 6th committee investigation today, that members of the january 6th committee, who this man who got help in his task, knowingly or unknowingly from congressman loudermilk, they apparently prepped and did reconnaissance not just generically for targeting of the capitol the next day but for knowing their way around the building, the buildings, excuse me, where members of congress have their actual offices. in this guy's case, based on his comments the next day, that was apparently so as to find and menace and potentially attack individual members that he was looking for the next day. a guy who visited their offices the previous day thanks to congressman loudermilk.
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the man photographs the nameplate outside jerry nadler's office on january 5th after the tour shows him there and screaming repeatedly the next day how he is going to go get jerry nadler. what does this mean? number one, it means that the democrat, led by mike sherril who raised the alarm that this had happened on january 5th, they were apparently right. number two interestingly the committee has apparently interviewed the guy and has photos from his phone that he took during this tour of the house office buildings january 5th. that's interesting. it appears the committee therefore knows who he is, and identified him and contacted him, but we should also note that as far as we know he has not been charged or arrested for anything related to the attack. ment in three, i think we have to ask, what the heck was the capitol police letter sent earlier this week saying yeah, yeah, we looked into, it it all seems fine to us, it says
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explicitly the tour did not go into the tunnels between the office buildings and the capitol and the capitol itself and the tour shows it is showing off the tunnels and members of the tour taking pictures of the entrances of the tunnels which is what you need to get from the office buildings into the capitol building. did the capitol police actually look into this? and why did they screw this us so badly in their public statement about this event? but finally, and perhaps most importantly, this is new information about the deliberate targeting of individual members of congress. on january 6th. we previously had video of dudes yelling nancy, nancy, while they hunted for nancy pelosi's office. we of course have all seen the haunting footage of huge members of people in the crowd saying hang mike pence, hang mike pence, we have the fact that the rioters were able to find one of the offices for nancy pelosi and that office was in fact ransacked but now we have this new video where now, as the dude is advancing on the capitol, he is talking to a guy with a spear
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made out of a flag pole, about how they're going to use that on a certain someone, and then they named individual lawmakers that he says he is coming for, pelosi, nadler, schumer, and ocasio-cortez, and yes in the abstract maybe that sounds like a weird guy fantasizing while he stomps around on the national mall but now with context, we know that same guy, the previous day, with he from a republican congressman, was apparently, apparently casing the office building, where those members had in fact their offices, documenting the stairways, the hallways, and the security checkpoints and how you might use the underground tunnel to get from the office building into the capitol itself, taking picture of nadler's office door potentially mapping the way to get to individual congressional offices and also into the capitol. thanks for that congressman barry loudermilk. thank you very much. why did you deny giving that tour until you were caught for it? and what did you know about the intentions of the people who participated in that tour, when again the capitol complex was
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closed to tourists? and what did you think the following day on january 6th, given what happened at the capitol, when you knew that you had given a tour the previous day and when democratic members of congress raised concerns about those reconnaissance tours happening, why didn't you go to the police then, sir? why didn't you go to the committee to talk about this now? joining us now is california congressman member of the january 6th investigation, zoe lofgren, congresswoman, it is a real pleasure being with us tonight, thanks for being here. >> good to be here, rachel. >> let me give you a chance to correct me if i explained any of that wrongly. that's how i understand. it we've been following this for more than a year now, have i gotten any of that the wrong way around. >> no i think you got it right. the, lonnie davis is the ranking member of the house administration committee that i chair, he and mr. loudermilk,
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who also serves on the house administration committee, had demanded the release of footage and claim that they had seen all of the videos and there was nothing there, no one with a maga hat. when we found the videos of mr. loudermilk leading a tour, we did ask him to come in, we didn't accuse him of anything, we just asked him to come in and talk to us, and he refused to do it. and then of course, we got this weird letter from the capitol police chief and we thought, well, you know, we were going to show him this video, to mr. loudermilk privately and ask him about it, so now he has a copy of it, as does the rest of the public. we would still like to hear from him. >> are we right to surmise, am i right to surmise tonight, that you and the other investigators have confirmed the identity of the person who is seen on that tour taking pictures in the
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house office buildings and that that is the same person who is heard making those threats against members of congress at the capitol attack the next day, you know for sure that that is the same person? >> it is my understanding yes. >> okay. congressman loudermilk said these were from constituents from georgia and not members of the mob and you have confirmed that one member of the tour participated in the events of january 6th, how does this fit into the overall investigation that you and your colleagues are conducting? i mean i think when sherrill and colleagues sent this at the beginning, a collective chill down the spine of the thanks, guys that the idea that some members of congress might knowingly have abetted people participating in the january 6th vaengt in trying to hunt down individual members of congress and menace them more effectively. that's the scary implication here. is that in fact what you believe you have stumbled upon? >> well, we don't know that.
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we have not accused representative loudermilk of that. we said we wanted to talk to him. that he won't talk to us is concerning to me. obviously, he led a tour, i mean they took video of the tunnel in the rayburn building to the capitol,s that was the same tunnel the next day i was evacuated through that tunnel, from the house floor. they took video of the stairwell that led into the ways and means committee room, where like 100 or so members of congress were sheltered in place, after the evacuation from the capitol, so we would like to know about this. and you know, to say, actually filed an ethics complaint, that was bizarre, when he must have, he knew, he himself, led a tour,
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and let's remember that the capitol was completely closed to the public, because of the covid. one of the capitol police told me yesterday that they were told that they couldn't even bring their own families into the capitol, completely closed. >> california congressman, member of the january 6th investigation, zoe lofgren, we look forward to tomorrow's hearing. we appreciate you being here. thanks for helping us understand. >> thanks a lot. coming up next, we will be join bid congresswoman, the first person to have raised the alarm about this event, she has been vintd vindicated by subsequent revelations, joining us live here exclusively next. e. revelations, joining us live here exclusively next. ubsequent revelations, joining us live here exclusively next. do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? now you can sell your policy - even a term policy - for an immediate cash payment. we thought we had
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and so many more in the xfinity app. investigation released shocking video of a republican congressman named barry loudermilk leading an hours-long tour of all of the house office buildings the day before the capitol attack, a tour that turns out from multiple people who participated in the events of january 6th the next day,
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well, that was a vindication of sorts for democratic congresswoman mikie sherrill of new jersey. it was congresswoman mikie sherrill who raised the alarm more than a year ago after the attack when she saw republican members of congress leading tours like that for people who then participated in the attack on the capitol the following day. congressman mikie sherrill has been rapidly criticized by republicans including congressman loudermilk for raising these allegations and claim these allegations were definitely false and we now know were absolutely and specifically true. she released this statement, i have served our country as a federal prosecutor and i know how important it is to investigate and collect evidence and let that process run its course. the video evidence released today by the bipartisan january 6th committee coming bined with the constantly shifting narrative and misdirection from representatives barry loudermilk and rodney davis, call into question their dedication to our common oath as members of
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congress. joining us now live is democratic congresswoman mikie sherrill of new jersey. congresswoman, thank you so much for making time to be here tonight. >> thanks for having me, rachel. >> i just spoke with your colleague joe lofgren, a member of the january 6th investigation and ask you the same question that i asked her, have i mistated any of this, did i get anything wrong or any big piece that our viewers should understand that i haven't explained. >> no, rachel, this is, as you said, a story you've been following really from the beginning of it and i think you tracked it quite well. >> what is your reaction today to this video being released by the january 6th investigation? when i saw this today, my thought was this is what congresswoman mikie sherrill saw, this is what concerned her, was the video they released today in fact, what you saw and what caused you to set off those red flags? >> well, rachel, i've talked to people about the fact that as a navy helicopter pilot, we've been through training to
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recognize suspicious things, and as a former federal prosecutor, of course, i believe deeply that if you see things like this, if there is an investigation going on, you have to come forward and you need to come forward to talk about this stuff, but you know, as i was talking about how odd it was that the capitol complex was closed and there were visitors there and they just were doing odd things, they were in places they should not have been, acting in a suspicious way, especially in light of the attack on january 6th, i think what this video shows is yes, what i was talking about. in fact, quite a few members have come out and former members as well, saying this is not what tours look like. these are not places you take tours. and that is what i was highlighting. and that's what i had wanted the january 6th committee to investigate, and certainly we see some of the results of that investigation today. >> do you know if there were more tours like this, either
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tours led by congressman loudermilk or others led by other members? >> that is not the only group that i saw. i saw groups down there, and i think what we've asked the january 6th committee to do is to understand what those people were doing in the capitol complex. that's what we asked really the sergeant at arms to get to the bottom of, what was going on, and i think we've seen the january 6th committee working to do just that. and you know, rachel, i mentioned, i was a helicopter pilot, a federal prosecutor, but i don't think it takes that to come forward in an investigation, when the capitol has been attacked. when the former president tried to stay in office despite the will of the american people. if you have evidence in that situation, if you've taken an oath to the constitution of the united states, you have a duty to come forward, and i think what is so, remains shocking to
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me, is the constantly shifting narrative, the misdirection of representative loudermilk, and representative davis, and then to see this video, to see, you know, exactly what he was doing and knew that he had done, and his failure to come forward, his failure to talk to the committee, i really think is again, just really shocking to me. >> as you said in your statement tonight, it calls into question their dedication to our common oath as members of congress, that's a serious way to put it but i understand your reasoning. congressman mikie sherrill democrat of new jersey, i appreciate your time tonight as we continue to stay on this story. thank you. >> thank you. much more ahead. stay with us. more ahead. stay with us
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i had a huge concern with these voting machines. i really do. i just don't, in my heart think that they can't be manipulated. >> when i certify stuff, that i don't know is right, i feel like i'm being dishonest, because in my heart i don't know if it is right. >> that's a county commissioner, one of the republican county commissioners from otero county, new mexico, this week explaining that she knows in her heart that the election results from her county aren't legitimate, they can never be legitimate because there's voting machines. minutes later she and the three
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commission members vote the unanimously they won't certify the results of the primary election that happened this month in their county. if the votes are not certified because these county officials refuse to certify them, that raises the prospect that all the votes cast in that county just won't count, every vote in the county will just be thrown out, people in that county will effectively no longer have the right to vote. all because those three republicans know in their hearts the results must be wrong because they know the voting machines are secretly connected to the internet, and can be hacked by chinese italian satellite bill gates mark zuckerberg hugo chavez space lasers. you know. well, now new mexico secretary of state, the statewide official in charge of elections in new mexico, she has stepped in. she has asked the state supreme court to order the otera county commissioners to certify the election results. the secretary of state wrote today, quote, break our laws and you will be held accountable.
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that was actually something she posted last night. she filed the lawsuit, and boy, they are moving fast. today the supreme court in fact ordered the otero county commissioners that they need to certify the election results in their county by the end of the week, by friday. and that sets up an amazing scheduling conflict, because one of those three commissioners, the guy in the hat here, seen with president trump in the oval office, he has somewhere to be this friday, specifically he has to be all the way across the country in washington, d.c., for a court hearing at which he will be sentenced for his conviction for trespassing at the capitol during the january 6th attack. a conviction for which he faces up to a year in prison. as for the other county commissioners, in new mexico, the woman who knows in her heart that the election results must be fraudulent, when she was asked this week about the possibility that a court would intervene and order them to certify the election, she laughed at that suggestion.
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according to the associated press. she said, quote, and so then what? they're going to send us to the pokey? well, are they? they might. as technically it is a possibility. the new mexico secretary of state is trying to wrangle this thing into the realm of the legal right now, she is going to join us here live next. join us here live next you no lw you can sell your policy - even a term policy - for an immediate cash payment. we thought we had planned carefully for our retirement. but we quickly realized we needed a way to supplement our income. if you have $100,000 or more of life insurance, you may qualify to sell your policy. don't cancel or let your policy lapse without finding out what it's worth. visit coventrydirect.com to find out if your policy qualifies. or call the number on your screen. coventry direct, redefining insurance.
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investigation tomorrow, we will have a prime time recap of that tomorrow night here at 8:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. the consequences of former president trump's claims that he won't respect election results, the consequences of that continue to be felt all around the country, just all over the place. the latest weirdest consequence of that is happening right now in the great state of new mexico. when one county, the three republican county commissioners, are refusing to certify the election results in that their county from this month's primaries. the commissioners haven't raised any actual concerns about anything going wrong in those elections, they just don't want to certify the election results because they don't feel good about it. new mexico secretary of state stepped in and brought a lawsuit to the state supreme court yesterday. today, the state supreme court ordered those county commissioners that they need to certify the election results by friday. one of the commissioners has already suggested that she'll laugh off any such order from a court saying, what, are they going to put me in prison? the question is, what does happen if they continue to
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refuse to obey the state supreme court? and what happens to the votes of all of those people who voted in new mexico? joining us now is new mexico secretary of state maggie toulouse oliver. madam secretary, thank for your time tonight. it's a pleasure to be here. >> happy to be here, rachel, thank you. >> have i explained any of this wrong, i'm a little bit new to this story, reading local coverage and that's pretty much how i understand it and tell me if i have missed anything important. >> no, it's a very cut and dry situation. there's a mandatory duty that the county commission has to review the results of a report from the county clerk, from our primary election last week. they're welcome to ask questions. there's even some limited authority for them to, you know, bring in a precinct board, ask them questions, if there is any concerns about the accuracy of the results, of course they have chosen to do none of that. and they, their their unlawful action not to certify the election on, as you i think have
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accurately summarized, their feelings about the election machine. and that is not within the context of the law, within the scope of their authority, and quite frankly, you know, i think what we're looking at is a concern for a democratic, a breakdown of our democracy, and a breakdown of the process moving forward, if they don't do the right thing, and what the supreme court has ordered them to do. >> so the supreme court has ordered them to certify these election results, we don't yet know what the response from the commissioners will to be that, i will note that you have raised the prospect in the press release announcing that you were taking this writ to the supreme court over this matter, you raised the prospect that there could potentially be a criminal referral to the state attorney general's office, in terms of these county commissioners violating their oaths of office. when one of these commissioners sort of laughed off the prospect of complying with a court order here, saying what are you going to do, put me in prison, i think she thought that was a ridiculous prospect but it
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sounds like that might not be a ridiculous prospect. >> i don't think it is ridiculous. we are making a referral to the attorney general. the commission has taken a number of unlawful actions over the course of the last couple of weeks. they took a vote which is ultimately symbolic, but to ban the state certified voting systems in their county, they took a vote to remove certified monitor containers to receive absentee ballots or mail-in ballots which is counter to state law, and then they ordered or were attempting to order a hand recount of the results. and none of those are provided for in state law. now, mind you, the irony of this entire situation is that if they certify the results, there are a number of processes that can then take place. and particularly, for candidates who may have questions about the outcome of the election, we can undertake recounts, we can undertake rechecks of the voting system, but unless and until those commission, and their
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capacity as the canvassing board does their mandatory duty, we can't do any of that. and so we have made that referral, or we're going to be making that referral shortly, and quite frankly, criminal prosecution is on the list, as well as removal from office for the commissioners who are violating the law. >> wow, new mexico secretary of state maggie toulouse oliver, i'm sure you never anticipated your duties as secretary of state requiring this kind of action, but here you are, thank you very much for helping us understand it tonight. please stay in touch with us about this story as it moves forward. >> indeed, thank you, rachel. >> we'll be right back, stay with us. th us.
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with a 2 -year price guarantee. call today. that's going to do it for us tonight. remember, tomorrow is going to be an interesting day in the news. we have the next january 6th investigation hearing live at 1:00 p.m. eastern. whether or not you are able to watch that live as it happens please remember that tomorrow night, we will be here, me and a cast of thousands among my msnbc
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cleans, doing a prime time recap of tomorrow's january 6th hearing, starting at 8:00 p.m. eastern, if you're used to seeing me on the msnbc prime at 9:00, tune in an hour early tomorrow for the prime time cap of the next january 6th hearing. i will see you 8:00 p.m. tomorrow night. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is up next. mike pence is going to have to come through for us and if he doesn't that will be a sad day for our country, because you're sworn to uphold our constitution. >> i heard this week that president trump said i had the right to overturn the election. president trump is wrong. i had no right to overturn the election. >> that will be the theme of today's hearing, into the january 6th attack on the capitol, donald trump's pressure campaign on mike pence
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