good morning. 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. in just three hours the house panel holding the january 6th insurrection will hold their third hearing, this time zeroing in on former vice president mike pence, including what the committee calls a pressure campaign by former president trump to overturn the 2020 election results. the committee expected to argue that the pressure campaign contributed to the violence the day of the insurrection and actually put the vice president in danger. you'll recall the crowd chanting threats as they stormed the capitol building. [ chanting "we want pence" ]

>> the committee scared new video from mark short saying pence pushed back against trump's pressure campaign. >> was it your impression the vice president had directly conveyed his position on these issues to the president, not just to the world, through a dear colleague letter, but directly to president trump? >> many times. >> and had been consistent in conveying his position to the president? >> very consistent. >> joining us now, nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake, nbc news correspondent vaughn hilliard, luke broadwater from "the new york times" and joyce vance, professor at university of alabama school of law and msnbc legal analyst. garrett, you spoke with pete aguilar, who is taking a lead role today. what did he tell you about what we can expect? >> reporter: we can expect to

hear that mike pence was both under more pressure and in more danger in the leadup to january 6th and on january 6th than has been previously reported. the committee plans to lay out the genesis of this scheme to make pence the de facto decider of the 2020 election that began in mid-december. that basically every court case the trump campaign lost, the pressure on pence to be the last option for trump grew and grew and grew. even leading up to the 6th itself with one final phone conversation between the vice president and the president, with president trump at the time leaning hard on pence on the morning of the 6th to make this unilateral decision to overturn the election results. then as he got here to the capitol and the crowd arrived, the mob coming closer to pence than we ever realized, triggered by a trump tweet after they had broken into the building. here's some of what aguilar told me about that moment in our interview. >> yeah, there would have been

bike racks here, just like there are today, those had been penetrated so now you have the crowd moving closer to the front doors here. doors had been breached at this point. the vice president is basically a single window pane away in a ceremonial office. at that point secret service took him down into the evacuation area, but he left the ceremonial office. but the key point at 2:24 p.m., the president tweets out that the vice president doesn't have the courage to do what's necessary. and we notice right away, you know, within 90 seconds the vice president is being evacuated right after that trump tweet. >> reporter: we'll hear more testimony today about the idea that pence was an intentional target of the mob, and then we'll hear about how pence very intentionally stayed in the capitol, in the bowels of this complex, for as long as he possibly could to make sure the counting of the electoral votes was done as scheduled and he was able to kind of stick it out and stand up to the man he had been

so close to over the previous four years. >> garrett, i'm just wondering, you say it was unknown how close pence was to that crowd. how close was he? >> reporter: well, you heard aguilar say there a window pane away. essentially they were escorted out down one set of stairs while rioters were already in the building, coming up another portion of the senate. i think we'll get a better look at that today. the committee has more photo and video evidence from inside the capitol on the 6th that we have not seen before, jose. >> joyce, what are you going to be watching for in today's hearing? >> well, today the focus, even though we're talking a lot about vice president pence and those around him is very clearly on the former president because today the committee will marshal evidence that demonstrates that trump unleashes the mob, unleashed the threat on mike pence and he knew what he was doing. that it was an intentional act, that it was his last effort to

hang onto power and that he was willing to sacrifice even his own very loyal vice president in order to do that. so, this will be more evidence that tends to suggest the former president's culpability with a lot of story telling. it's important that the key figures here today will be republicans. we will hear that trump was willing, in essence, to go after his own in order to claw his way back into the white house after losing the election. >> vaughn, you've covered pence exclusively. you have more information on pence's movement on the 6th of january? >> reporter: i think the movements of mike pence on january 6th are important to this case that joyce is outlining here. it started off on the morning there when mike pence woke up. he stayed at the residence instead of heading to the white house. that is where multiple advisers were meeting with the vice president when donald trump called pence. that is when pence stepped outside of ear shot of those advisers in a phone call that

we're told lasted about 15 minutes or so, took place between donald trump and mike pence. now, pence aide that i talked to said that this was believed to be a private conversation, but what we are expecting to hear here from the january 6th committee is on the other end of the line here at the white house, that multiple individuals in the west wing were listening in on the phone call here. to what extent did donald trump try to pressure and how over the course of those 15 minutes is important. we then also know when mike pence arrived to the capitol there, he was whisked away once the capitol was breached. he was then led into a separate room. that's what you heard garrett detail. we expect to see even more video and photos come out. he was led down to the loading dock. over the course here of this insurrection, you know, i think it's important to note, we'll be hearing from multiple advisers who were subpoenaed by the january 6th committee. each of those pence aides agreed

to testify. the vice president's office, i am told by an aide, turned over all relevant documents that were requested of them. there was no effort to claim vice presidential executive privilege. one of those advisers we're going to hear from is marc short, who you heard a little in that deposition video. i talked with marc short last night here, and he laid out to me that in -- as the insurrection was taking place, that mike pence never heard from donald trump and mike pence never placed a phone call to trump himself. in marc short's words it was, quote, why would he? he was focused on the safety of people and ultimately certifying the election. one other element of this, again, hitting to what joyce was talking about, it was mike pence who phoned the pentagon and ordered backup from national guard at the capitol that day. it was not the president himself. >> and, luke, what stopped the committee from issuing a subpoena to pence himself? >> well, they did discuss that at one point, several months

ago. but the committee reached a conclusion that once greg jacob went in, once marc short went in, they had received enough information about pence's activities that they thought it was unnecessary to force mike pence to come in. he was of -- he's in a tricky political situation. he stood up to trump on january 6th. he helped save the peaceful -- or the transfer of power between one administration to another, as is an american tradition. but he also doesn't want to get on the bad side of trump and be seen as a thorn in trump's side to the voting base because many republicans still are very loyal to donald trump. so, he did stand up to him, but he doesn't want to be seen up there testifying against donald trump because he thinks that will be politically very bad for him among the voting base. so, they usedy jacob and pence

and -- i'm sorry, jacob and short to get the information to the committee without having the political liability of having pence doing it by himself. >> luke, there's also the committee releasing new video of congressman loudermilk giving a tour on the 5th of january. it says at least one person on that tour marched toward the capitol that day. loudermilk says the committee never contacted him, never sent him a letter. he says the tour was not suspicious. listen into what he said to reporters yesterday. >> why do you think they were taking the stairwell, around the security? >> if you go on that stairwell, there's a golden eagle sconce on the wall. that's what they were taking a picture of. these are folks that had never been to washington, d.c. they were here to visit their congressman. >> why not just speak to the committee and just -- >> because the committee's never called me and asked me anything. >> they said they asked for your cooperation. >> to me?

they never sent it to me. >> your office never received -- >> no, never. >> luke, what do we know more about this part of the story? >> well, i find that hard to believe that he never received the letter because his spokesman told me that he was reviewing it. but both sides here are digging in. loudermilk feels that the capitol police cleared him of any wrongdoing. they sent a letter on monday that said they did not believe his tour was suspicious. after that letter went out, the committee then released lots of video evidence that show, in their minds, that there was suspicious activity. there were -- in particular, that one man you're seeing there on that video, after he takes that picture, the next day, the committee says, he joins a march on to the capitol and makes threats to nancy pelosi, chuck schumer and other top democrats. they believe loudermilk should submit to he can questions about this man's activities, what he

knew as he was taking that tour, what he might have indicated to loudermilk about this tour. then he should answer questions about the things he was saying on video the next day. >> walk us through the legal limitations of this committee. to what extent could they hold someone accountable for their actions on the 6th of january? >> so, the committee's remit is in large part legislative, right? they're not the justice department. they won't be indicting anyone at the end of these hearings. they will be deciding whether we need to have new laws that are designed to make some of our guardrails more secure. and it's clear from what the committee has told us so far, that that will be the case. that there will be a need, for instance, to strengthen the lines of independence between the oval office and the justice department, in large extent. the committee will also play an important role in creating an historical record of what happened for people who are familiar with the 9/11 report.

congress put together the definitive historical version of the events on that day and leading up to that day. and that record is valuable because it speaks to who we are as a country and who we will continue to be. that's critical in this case as well. whether or not they hold people accountable is a more nuanced question. there are ethical procedurings that can be taken against people like representative loudermilk, if they decide that's appropriate. ultimately, will the committee's work influence the justice department's decisions about whether and who to indict? i think not as much as folks have speculate the. doj will run its investigaive work on a parallel but independent track, but it's important to note that federal prosecutor marry marek garland e

watching. >> thank you very much for being with us this morning. stay with msnbc for complete coverage of the hearing. special programming begins at noon eastern. andrea mitchell, haley jackson. tonight a two-hour recap special featuring analysis from rachel maddow, lawrence o'donnell and ari melbar. we'll talk to representative pramila jayapal. we'll get her takes on the hearing. plus, an nbc news exclusive. new reporting about why president biden was upset with two of his top secretaries after their visit to ukraine in april. we're watching the markets. let's take a look at the dow

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next hour, a texas house committee that was formed to investigate the killing of 19 children and 2 teachers in uvalde, texas, will hear testimony from law enforcement and others affected by the massacre.

this comes as a small group of senators drafting legislation to reduce gun violence will meet again to try and get past their sticking points. texas senator john cornyn told nbc news, they made progress yesterday, but there is still more work to do. one of the two major sticking points appears to be whether states that do not have red flag laws should still receive new funding for mental health and other treatments. those laws allow police and family members to ask a court to keep guns away from those deemed a risk to themselves or others. another sticking point, how to close the so-called boyfriend loophole, to keep guns away from domestic abusers. there appears to be some disagreement on how broadly to define a dating partner. senators hope to have a vote on this package before the fourth of july recess. with us now, pramila jayapal, she sits on the house judiciary committee and chair of the congressional progressive caucus.

congresswoman, always a pleasure to see you. thank you for your time. what do you make, congresswoman, of the framework for this bill? >> well, jose, i think the thing that's so important is that we get something done, that we don't have another shooting like uvalde and we just come out with nothing that is concrete to actually fix the problem. and so, obviously, the house has passed a very strong package of gun legislation. what this bipartisan group is considering is far, far less. i think we have to be clear about that. but there are potentially some meaningful piece within here. i think the devil is going to be in the detail. we do need ten republican senators to come along with us. and i want the people to be very clear, the democrats are ready to pass much, much stronger legislation that reflects the view of republicans, democrats and independents across the country. something like comprehensive background checks, for example. i don't understand why that isn't in the bipartisan package,

but it's not. so, i think what we have to do is get something done, but be clear that the real solutions here are much more comprehensive pieces of legislation that the house has passed, that we could pass with just a couple additional votes in the senate. >> and those additional votes in the senate are so difficult, right? >> that's exactly right. as you know, we have a filibuster that i believe is a legacy of jim crow. it's designed to stop progress on major civil rights issues, but major issues like gun reform, which i actually now think is a civil rights issue as well. a child should be able to go to school without fearing that they're going to be shot and that they're going to have to learn to hide under a desk or see guns in the schools. that is just outrageous and it's something i just came back from europe, almost every person i met with there asked me how we could possibly still allow so many guns to be on the streets,

how we could allow an ar-15 to be purchased by somebody under the age of 21 when, by the way, handguns require that you're 21 to purchase a handgun. so, i think these are simple things that the world doesn't understand, we don't understand, but it's our job to try to get as much done as we can possibly get done with the votes we have. >> and congresswoman, the house january 6th committee is about to hold its third public hearing today. you were in the capitol on that day. what are your thoughts and what are your questions as we go forward? >> you know, that was a terrifying day. not just for me personally, but for our democracy. i don't think that everybody understood because we didn't have the full picture that the january 6th committee has put together for us with these thousands of interviews and depositions and documents they have collected. we were so close to losing our democracy that day. and i think what the january 6th committee is doing in a

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this morning we have exclusively new reporting about unpreviously reported tension within the biden administration about the war in ukraine. nbc news has learned president biden was upset with comments made by defense secretary austin and secretary of state blinken after their trip to kyiv in april where they appeared to expand the biden administration's goal in ukraine. here's part of what they said then. >> the bottom line is this, we don't know how the rest of this war will unfold, but we do know that a sovereign, independent ukraine will be around a lot longer than vladimir putin's on the scene. >> we want to see russia

weakened to a degree that it can't do the kinds of things that it has done in invading ukraine. >> joining us now, one of the by-lines, ken delaney. good to see you. what more can you tell bus this? >> good morning. after talking to more than a dozen current and former american and european officials, our nbc news national security team has learned that the biden administration is increasingly convinced that ukraine can't win this war if winning is defined as expelling every russian soldier from ukraine. for that reason, u.s. and allied officials are quietly discussing whether president zelenskyy should temper his hard line public position that no territory will ever be ceded to russia as an agreement to end the conflict. that's part of a deep reporting dive led by courtney kube and president biden reached this conclusion some time ago,

perhaps before some of his top aides did. in fact, when secretary of defense lloyd austin and secretary of state antony blinken went to kyiv in april and talked publicly about winning the war and weakening russia, we learned that president biden called them and asked them to tone it down. we were told the president worried their comments could set unrealistic expectations and increase the risk of the u.s. getting into a direct conflict with russia. look, escalation is obviously a big concern here, jose. my colleagues and i reported last week and the biden administration is war gaming scenarios for how to respond if russia uses a nuclear weapon in ukraine. this is about as hard a foreign policy problem as the president could face. the bottom line here, jose, is that many u.s. and european allies -- officials believe the russians are on their way to seizing ukraine's eastern donbas region and claiming it as russian territory. if that happens, zelenskyy will have to decide whether to negotiate. publicly the white house is saying, it's up to ukraine how this war ends and whether they will trade territory for peace.

administration officials have been adamant they will not pressure ukraine about this. but privately, some officials want zelenskyy to dial it back a little bit as one of them put it, when it comes to telegraphing his red lines, jose. >> meanwhile, germany, france and italy are visiting president zelenskyy today. those are three countries that have traditionally kind of been on that same exact side of dealing with russia versus expelling it 100%. thank you so very much for being with us. meanwhile, today, it's day 113 of the war in ukraine. this morning the leaders of france, germany and italy, they did, indeed, arrive in kyiv for a show of support. one of the highest profile visions since the invasion began as the family of two u.s. vets who volunteered to join the fight in ukraine say they have gone missing. joining us from ukraine, nbc news foreign correspondent molly hunter. molly, good morning. you spoke with the mother of one of those missing americans. what did you learn? >> reporter: jose, look, there

are two very, very worried american families this morning. their names are alex drueke, 39-year-old alabama native. i a former u.s. army staff sergeant who served two tours in iraq, according to his mother, who we spoke with. my producer spoke with her overnight. the other president we are looking at who "the new york times" reports is andy huynh, a 27-year-old former marine. they were both volunteers, as you mentioned. they were both fighting in eastern ukraine near kharkiv is what we know. we don't know what unit or what exactly what happened to them. i do want to share with you what lois told us. she heard from her son, alex, by text message on april 18th and she got a message from a friend saying alex had gone missing. take a listen to lois. >> he wrote and said, i'll be going dark tomorrow and possibly the next day.

and i wrote back, stay safe, and i love you. and he wrote back -- i'm sorry. he wrote back, i love you, too. >> reporter: a heartbreaking to hear from her, jose. she doesn't have any more answers. the state department says they are monitoring it very closely. they have seen the unconfirmed reports. they cannot confirm the two men's names and say due to privacy, they have no further comment. one other thing we're wondering about, were they part of the foreign legion? do they have military ids? that will change their status depending on how they were registered here, what they were doing and who they were fighting alongside. >> thank you so much. up next, what the feds' interest rate hike means for you. we'll talk to congressman raul ruiz about what congress could or could not do to help. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." think he's posting about all that ancient roman coinage?

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36 past the hour. we're keeping a close watch on the markets. right now the dow is down 652 points. reversing course from yesterday's big gains after the federal reserve announced it was raising its benchmark interest rate to help fight skyrocketing prices for gas, groceries and other items. >> i worry spending like $300, $400 extra a month than what we used to before. it's overwhelming. like, how much worse is it going to get? >> with us now to talk more about this is cnbc senior economics reporter steve liesman. steve, great seeing you. let's ask that question that she asked us. how long and how much longer is this going to continue? >> i think we need to separate the question into two different things. the first is oil prices and commodity prices. a lot of that is linked to the

problems that we're having with ukraine. the ukraine war and the difficulties, for example, in exporting grains out of both russia and ukraine as well as the energy problems that are associated with that. that could go on for a while. it's very hard to see any kind of relief from that. it would take the end of the war, it would take some kind of normalization of relationships in ukraine. and then, of course, it's going to take time to replace that. you just don't take 10 or 12 million barrels off of line. it's not all offline, obviously. or the natural gas of russia offline and replace it immediately. it probably can be somewhat alleviated over time. the other element is other prices that are rising that are not necessarily connected to energy. those could begin to come down for a couple of reasons. first, you could have supply chains opening up and re-establishing after, obviously, being messed up by the china lockdown and other covid issues related to that.

and then you have federal reserve monetary policy. they're raising rates, trying to restrain demand and you could get relief over time and inflation from that restrain of demand. >> steve, do you think that these rate increases are going to have a kind of substantial and important some time soon impact? >> well, if you're looking at the stock market, the answer is definitely yes. you know, we're down some 650 points today. and a whole bunch of other assets are down in price in part because the fed is raising rates. and these should filter into the economy over time and restrain demand. we saw some really lousing housing starts this morning. you've seen mortgage rates go up. we've seen in the housing market, places that have like 50 bids now, lucky to get a handful. so, those bidding wars may be coming to an end when it comes to housing. yeah, it's going to have an affect. the federal reserve is a powerful agency.

it doesn't raise the rates without normal and average americans feeling it. >> steve, thank you for being with us. appreciate it. >> pleasure. now to continue our conversation, california congressman raul ruiz, he sits on the house energy and commerce committee and chair of the hispanic congressional caucus. thank you for being with us. i'm wondering when we heard that person telling us, you know, she's spending $300 to $400 more a month just to live. boy, that's a massive hit. i'm just wondering, you know, you know this better than anybody else, right, our communities are suffering and they don't see relief in sight. what can we tell them? what do you want to tell them about what congress could or could not do? >> well, this is the most important issue that we're dealing with right now, my constituents and even my own family. look, my wife keeps sending me text messages about how we spent

to fill up our gas tank, which is now over $100. that's pretty difficult. not only for us but especially for other families who are living check to check during this economic situation that we're in. and the most important thing here is to realize that we need to make sure that we have the right diagnosis, and i'm speaking as a doctor, in order to have the right treatment. we understand our dependence and reliance on a volatile fossil fuel market is -- puts us in a precarious place. puts us at risk. we know the russian war in ukraine has increased costs of gas. we also know that corporate big oil companies have reaped the record profits and is benefiting from this without doing what they can to reinvest in the locations where they can drill. more importantly, we need to double down on making sure we're

no longer dependent on oil with renewable energy, electric vehicles and making sure that we finally have our own independence from fossil fuel. >> so, what about increasing domestic production, for example, that, you know, these companies that are making record profits, also have plans and have to work on what is available not just today but in the next five or ten years? is there a need to refocus on domestic production? >> you know, there is a need to double down on renewable energies, which the biden administration has done. there are 9,000 unused permits by -- that are allocated to big oil right now. now, they're taking their record profits and using them as stock buybacks in order to enrich themselves, their corporate leaders and to make record more

profits. they could use that to start developing more natural gas in order to help this current temporary crisis that we're in while we continue to develop the renewable energies that we need to -- need to no longer be dependent on this volatile market that is dependent on the russian war in ukraine as well as corporate greed. so, we need to make sure that we lower the cost of fuel so that -- so that we can lower the cost of all the other goods. now, the other issue in the diagnosis is the pandemic has hurt our supply chain. we have decrease in workers and decrease in our reliance on different products from different areas of our -- not only our own country but other countries. so, we have to continue to push on the agenda that we have done in the house, with the competes act, with the bills that we have

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joining us now, dr. patel, former white house policy director. what have you learned about the efficacy and safety of vaccines for children under 5? >> yeah, jose, it was a great presentation to the fda over the last two days, really, but for under 5, we have moderna, both moderna and pfizer vaccines for kids under 6 were recommended to move forward by the committee. we needed fda to put out language and the cdc to take action, but everything looks like green light. we learned this is an incredibly safe vaccine, both moderna and pfizer. some incidents of fever that was flagged for moderna, but a lot of us have experienced giving vaccines to kids, we do see fevers. nothing that would give me pause on either of these vaccines safety wise. efficacy wise, it's consistent with the news we have, jose, with adult vaccines. this is not the 90s and 80s numbers we talked about with adults. it's in the 30s and 40s.

anything is better than zero, which is what this population has had until now. >> doctor, what is the state of covid in our country today? >> yeah, so we still are in the midst of a surge. if you look at any -- cases, numbers, about 100,000 cases a that's an underestimate because people are testing at home, so we don't get the official counts. we're seeing hospitalizations go up. not at the degree we have seen before, but it's still going up. many parts of the country hospitals are at capacity. not just for covid but for other ill illness. so vaccines matter. having access to early treatments matter. and just being aware. wearing a mask if you're in a crowded space. that can help.

so that's where we are at with this country. we'll all be watching in the fall where many predict we could have a worse surge. >> we were talking about that, you were mentioning the flu. it seems as though people are getting all kinds of infectious diseases. you know, the flu, severe colds, et cetera. why is it happening now? >> yeah, we're seeing a whole host of viruses we normally do not see even in this season. most of the country is in the summer, and we are seeing viruses we would normally see in the winter. it has to do with the fact that people are out and about now. and these are viruss that have a seasonal aspect to them. our seasons are flipped. masks are gone now, people are traveling all over the world and now we don't have tests. it is an unusual time. brace for it, wear a mask, and be responsible. >> doctor, thank you for being

with us. right now, the suspects in the buffalo mass shooting is in federal court. this week marks one month since ten black people were killed and three people injured in a racist mass shooting in a suburban new york grocery store. attorney general merrick garland visited buffalo, still in mourning yesterday. as the justice department charged the suspect with 26 counts of federal hate crimes and weapons violations. >> no one in this country should have to live in fear that they will go to work or shop at a grocery store and will be attacked by someone who hates them because of the color of their skin. someone who commits that act because he subscribes to the vile theory that only people like him belong in this country. >> joining us now, buffly city council president. i thank you for being with us.

again, it's been a month since that massacre that took ten lives. how is the community doing? >> you know, the community is still hurting. it hasn't gotten easier. the realities have set in now that -- meaning all the funerals have occurred and memorial services. but still hurting and still trying to deal with it. the jefferson avenue, which is in the inner city, is still -- has a lot of people there daily, still getting visitors. but it's still a matter of still trying to deal with it. >> do these 26 federal charges, some carry the death penalty if the justice department decided to seek it. what would be true justice in this case? >> you know, i don't think if you asked those ten families and the people in tops what true justice is, everyone is going to have their own opinion. but to have the federal government now, charging this

murderer, is -- does mean a lot. and the charges that are brought. and to have, you know, our local d.a. charging him. i mean, you know, what it says to us is that people are paying attention, and that nobody is trying to sweep this under the rug. so that's a very important move that happened yesterday. and even the laws that are now being brought forward and discussed, you know, we haven't seen this amount of change in america at least when it comes to sensible gun legislation in my lifetime. >> you're also a pastor. i keep thinking, you know, there can never be any lessons learned from something as horrible as what happened just last month. how do you, pastor, how do you go forward when something like this just rips out a part of your soul? >> you know, tragedy is a part of life. you know, there's always going

to be something tragic. and something always positive can come out of it. especially when we are talking about ten lives that are lost. and really giving people now that hope to keep pushing forward for the rebuilding of communities all over the united states that have been marginalized, that are food deserts. the one thing that this person who committed this murder, this white supremacist gave us was a key to unlock our mouths and be able to say, white supremacist and not be accused of using the race card any more. you don't hear anybody saying it. and i'm sure people do, but it gave a license to say, let's talk about, and really deal with those who believe in white supremacy. those who will murder for it. so i do believe in the end the lives of the ten that were lost will result in a better people,

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good morning. you're watching "chris jansing reports" live from new york city. and just about a half an hour from where i'm standing, investors on wall street are watching as the market crumbles. the dow, take a look at these numbers, off more than 800 points right now. we are teetering on the edge of a bear market. it's at its lowest level in more than a year after the fed announced the biggest rate hike in almost 30 years. what will it mean for you? but we have a start in washington, where the third january 6th committee public hearing is just a few hours away. today, the spotlight is on the danger former vice president mike pence faced that day. and the pressure campaign to convince him to overturn the election results. this morning, nbc news has obtained a clip of the interview with pence's chief of staff who detailed the weeks long pressur