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father, my father-in-law and what they went through and the fact that if a black man and you encounter authority, police authority, or self-avoided authority, you are considered guilty until proven innocent. and you are considered a threat and you are considered older than you are, for example. you're considered a man rather than a boy. the suspect in the buffalo shooting was the white suspect was often described in newspapers as a teenager. a teenager. that is not how they describe treyvon martin even though that is what he was. that is a question for trymaine, did the fathers that you spoke with see any hope of breaking this generational pattern that goes back 400 years. >> i didn't get that sense, gene. that they felt anything would
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change. but they did feel as a community, as black men, especially, we need to be there for our boys because superman isn't coming in and the sight isn't going to change but they need to pass down lessons learned. give them some gems to bolster their standing in the community. even when it is tough, it is not getting better but we have to be there for ourselves even though we couldn't protect our boys we have to find a way to protect the next generation. >> how heartbreaking. trymaine, thank you for being with us. trymaine lee. the full special airs tonight at 10:30 eastern on nbc news now. thanks a lot. happy father's day. >> thank you, like wise. >> and eugene robinson, thank you as well. happy father's day. are you boys going to be home. >> one is nearby. so i'll see lowell and then aaron lives in berkeley.
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he's a father so i'll get to call him and wish him happy father's day. >> oh, good. so many grandkids do you have? >> two. >> well i may have your son call my son. i need some grandkids. i'm getting too old here. all right, gene, thank you so much. it is now just past the top of hour. 9:00 a.m. in the east, 6:00 a.m. on the west coast. we have jonathan lemire and katty kay with us and willie. what are we starting the hour with. >> let's begin with the key moments from yesterday's january 6 hearing. they are striking. the committee building the case that former president trump was, quote, pouring gasoline on the fire during at tack on the capitol. and how close to danger vice president pence was that day. the panel detailed the pressure trump sanz his allies put on pence to unlawfully over turn the 2020 election results. and showing new footage of rioters outside of the capitol
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threatening pence for not going along with trump's demands. >> mike pence, i hope you're going to stand up for the good of our constitution and for the good of our country. and if you're not, i'm going to be very disappointed in you, i will tell you right now. >> i'm tell you what, i'm hearing that pence, i'm hearing that pence just caved. >> no. >> is that true. i'm hearing reports that pence caved. i'm telling you if pence caved, we're going to drag [ bleep ] through the streets. >> bring out pence. >> bring him out. >> bring out pence. ping out pence. >> hang mike pence. >> the committee revealed yesterday that violent mob got within 40 feet of former vice president pence after they broke into the capitol building. >> riotering already inside of the capitol open the east rotunda door just down the hall
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and just 30 seconds after that, rioters breached the crypt. one floor below the vice president. >> the secret service couldn't control the situation and do their job with keeping himself. >> at 2:26 p.m., secret service rushed vice president pence down the stairs. >> i think they were trying to figure out whether they have a clear route to get us to where it was that they wanted to move us to. >> we moved quickly down the stairs and through various hall wares to the secure location upon arriving there there was further discussion as to whether or not we were going to leave the capitol complex or stay where we were. >> vice president pence and his team ultimately were led to a secure location where they stayed for the next four and a half hours. barely missing rioters a few feet away. >> during which time vice president pence though would have been the prudent thing to do, to refuse to leave. he wanted to stay and certify the 2020 election. the committee then highlighted the threat posed to vice president pence's life.
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>> make no mistake about the fact that the vice president's life was in danger. recent court filing by the department of justice explains that a confidential informant from the proud boys told the fbi that the proud boys would have killed mike pence if given a chance. this witness whom the fbi affidavit refers to as w-1, tated that other members of the group talked about things they does that day and they said that anyone they got their hands on, they would have killed, including nancy pelosi. w-1 further stated that members of proud boys said that they would have killed mike pence if given a chance. >> witnesses yesterday included two more key republicans. pence's former white house council greg jacob and former federal judge jj. michael luttig. they focused on trump lawyer john eastman and his plan to defy the electoral count act and
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overturn president biden's victory and how trump supported the scheme despite being told it was not legal. jacob testified even eastman admitted that the plot violated the law. >> when i pressed him on the point, i said, john, if the vice president did what you're asking him to do, we would lose nine to nothing support, wouldn't we? and he initially started, well i think maybe we would only lose 7-2. and after some further discussion, acknowledged, well, yeah, you're right. we would lose 9-0. >> and did dr. eastman admit that his proposal would violate the electoral count act. >> he acknowledged that is the case. it would violate several provisions but he thought that we could do so because in his view the electoral count act was unconstitutional. >> luttig, a conservative retired federal judge advised pence leading up to january 6.
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and had this to say about eastman's plan to subvert the election results. >> there was no basis in the constitution or laws of the united states at all or the theory espoused by mr. eastman at all. none. i would have laid my body across the road before i would have let the vice president overturn the 2020 election on the basis of that. >> so, joe, what we heard yesterday, just to boil it all down, was that mike pence's life very much was in danger. but he stayed in the capitol to get the job he saw as so crucial done that day. and john eastman and just about everyone else around the
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president knew that the own plan that they had proposed themselves and concocted violated the law. but decided that they were going to go through with it any way. >> they knew it was illegal. you have the judge, the judge luttig who again is a guy who has been just an icon in conservative circles for decades saying that donald trump and the people around him presented clear and present danger to the united states. they did in 2020. they will again in 2024 if given the opportunity. but willie, what we learned yesterday was that donald trump's words before the riots put a target on mike pence's back. donald trump's words during the riots put him and his life in even graver danger and then, my gosh, you look at all of the testimony, you look at testimony of everybody including proud boys, who said that mike pence was 40 feet away from being
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assassinated and being assassinated because that is what donald trump was in effect telling the crowd to do. >> yeah, and joe, we've talked about this a little bit earlier, but i think it is important to underline, there has been this narrative in conservative circles an supporters of donald trump that the people chanting hang mike pence, they were just a crowd whipped up. they weren't going to hang mike pence. the gallows, they weren't going to hang mike pence in those gallows and maybe they are wornt going to do it that way. but the point is there was a group of people not likely not all of the people who rushed in the capitol that day, but there was a very focused group of people who did go there with the intent of causing harm, joe, to the leadership of the country, to mike pence, to nancy pelosi, to others willing perhaps to kill and to decapitate the united states government. >> and you are right, what a lot of trumpers and anti-trumpers love to say. they were just tourists or most
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of the people were outside of the building. well okay. most of the people that matched in black lives matter protests were peaceful protesters, overwhelming majority. but of course, these trumpers will bring up the riots that happened, will bring up the looting that happened, will bring up the lawlessness that happened on the fringes of that movement in the summer of 2020. and yet, they want us to pretend that everybody rioting at the capitol were just tourists and it is just not the case. and i'm sure there were people from middle america that were there. we saw clips months ago of some of the protesters pulling people off of police officers when they saw that some of president trump's people were beating the hell out of police officers. he said, hold on, he's a cop. stop. so it wasn't everybody that was there. but it was -- the very people
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that donald trump told to stand back and stand by, they were the ones that said yes. if we had a chance to kill mike pence, we would have killed mike pence. and of course they would have had the opportunity to do it because they were the first ones to breach the per imer of the capitol. >> and they went into the capitol in military stacks, wearing tactical gear. and the proud boys took the president of the united states on the debate stage to stand back and stand by, as an order to get ready for january 6. let's bring in capitol hill correspondent ali vitali and reporter for the guardian hugo lowell. good morning to you both. ali, i'll start with you on capitol hill. what is the reaction from members outside of the committee both democrat and republican by the way to the evidence we've seen over the last week or so? >> yeah, look, willie, especially yesterday, that was a stunning round of testimony from the witnesses. of course with the committee was
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able to offer in terms of new materials that we had never seen before. and i think that for many of the people watching, and who have been following this, including myself, this was one of the key hearings that i was looking towards. because to me it presented one of the biggest challenges for the committee, which is that it has future ramifications as joe mentioned because both mike pence and donald trump have future aspirations to be president of the united states in 2024 but because this is a moment that many of us have had a basis of knowledge in. because of some of this footage of what happened to vice president pence was included in trump's second impeachment. now the committee had the task of putting more meat on that bone and they did so and carve out in painstaking detail how democracy seemed at times like a live ping pong ball, going back and forth between john eastman and members of trump's inner circle and with the vice president's office. and at each moment that that was rallied to the vice president's office, they seemed to knock down another way that people were trying to unlawfully steal
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this election. i thought that that was something that was truly striking, that the committee teases out. and we're going to see more of what happened on january 6. but again, they drove that narrative at each point, even as they introduced people like john eastman to the american public. it is a name that we've heard but maybe if you've only been casually following a long. the committee went to great lengths to make sure people knew eastman's role in this. and i think we'll hear more because i heard from chairman thompson, they've issued an invitation for ginny thomas, the wife of clarence thomas to talk to the committee because of her communications with mark meadows because of her communications with john eastman. even as we've heard other names, the committee drove the narrative back to donald trump as essential figure and focus of their their investigation and the hearings that are still to come. >> and ginni thomas said she would be happy to sit down and
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talk to the committee. >> we had dick durbin on the show yesterday and he said this, the mountain of evidence i think is conclusive to me personally, i hope those who have to make the decision on criminal culpability see it the same way. we have the interesting news yesterday that the department of justice and prosecutors have requested depositions from the committee. we want to see how they could help fill in the blanks in their own case. do you sense based on what we know publicly and what you're hearing privately that doj is watching this closely and maybe looking at prosecutions based on what they've seen. >> i think doj is looking at this very closely. i mean, the attorney general merrick garland said this week that he and his federal prosecutors investigating these january 6 cases were watching these hearing. i mean he just came out and said that and then added this additional tidbit about how the office of legal council didn't preclude him from opening an investigation into trump himself. so i thought that was very very interesting.
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but then the letter yesterday that the doj sent to the committee was very public and was a very strong urging and a very strong complaint asking for these witness transcripts. and if you think about what the justice department has been doing, so far they've got one grand jury examining the rally organizers on january 6 and the weeks before, they have another grand jury now investigating the fake electors plan that trump's operatives and lawyers were trying to press. and now they want all of the witness transcripts that the committee has because they think it helps their criminal investigation. if you put all of these things together and start to pass the tea leaves, i think you get to the conclusion that the justice department is extremely interested in moving up the political ladder towards trump and that could include criminal prosecutions. i don't think there is any way around that at this point. >> so certainly that is music to the ears of many democrats who felt that the justice department has gone far too slowly in the
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proceedings and white house officials i talked to have expressed private frustrations as well. they do say, ally, they've been impressed. behind the scene footages and images so striking of pence as we saw yesterday and a damning case being built against trump. preview us where the committee goes next. what does next week look like when the hearing continue. >> they've been weaving these different buckets of pressure campaign throughout the hearings. yesterday was all about the pressure campaign on mike pence. next week they'll move into the pressure campaign at the state level. having people like georgia officials like raffensperger come testify in front of the committee about the pressure campaigns sustained on them by the former president. again, keeping the focus on trump. even as they're introducing new characters, who was involved in the pressure campaign. and then of course we're still waiting for the hearing
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rescheduled from this week. we think it could be next week. it could be the week after that. but that one takes us inside of the pressure campaign at the department of justice. they'll have key officials who were there pushing back against the former president and his plan to install allies atop the doj who would lend credence to and further investigate the fraudulent claims of election fraud that he was putting forward even as multiple people in his inner circle were debunking them in realtime. i do think, too, jonathan, the thing that stuck with me throughout these hearings and i thought about it yesterday with pence's orbit, but with all of the members of donald trump's orbit who were alarmed in their depositions by some of the conversations that they were privy to and part of. is the fact that they are testifying now, some of them under subpoena. but the fact is that that concern could have been raised at any point before now too. so as much as we're grateful for hearing this testimony and hearing what was happening in the heart of the administration, and around trump's orbit at the time, the other thing we need to keep in mind is these officials could have come forward at any
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point to do so and they didn't. >> it is pretty striking to hear from the people at the top during the course of the hearings. you know that they didn't necessarily believe that they had a legal case. i've just come back from around the country ant talking to people who now do believe that the election was stolen. genuinely believed it and there is a cynicism at the of strategy but think passed that message on to people. hugo, as we look the hearings to come and the issues of intent and knowledge and action, what else are you looking for out of future hearings? >> well i think everything that you mentioned about intent and that state of mind is right on the money. because the theme of these hearings so far has been everyone around the president including the president himself knew that all of these plans to pressure pence, to have fake electors sent, to back to the original claims of election fraud were all nonsense.
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they knew it was nonsense and they pushed it any way. and yesterday we heard that giuliani admitted to the white house lawyer eric hershman that he knew that eastman's plan was nonsense. and eastman admitted in mails that his plan was unlawful. and this is the theme. that all of the president's men knew that everything was illegal and they push add head any way. now the committee has to try and tie that together with the violence at the capitol and i'm going to be very interested in looking at the pin ultimate hearing in last week of june when jamie raskin will lead a hearing about the militia group and the proud boys and the oath keepers and this is what the committee has been trying to do from the start. we reported back in january that the select committee was trying to try the political elements of trump's plan to the violence of the insurrection and the violence at the insurrection was mainly perpetrated and coordinated by the proud boys an oath keepers so. i think what we have to look for
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next is whether the committee could tie the items together because then you put trump at the center of a conspiracy. >> as you say hugo, everybody around the president knew he lost the election including the president and they all knew the plot to overturn it was illegal. for the guardian, hugo lowell and capitol hill correspondent ali vitali. thank you both into coming up this hour on "morning joe," the united states is in a strong position to overcome record high inflation. we'll tell what you the president had to say about the chances of a recession. plus a third american feared now to be missing in ukraine. we will have a report from the ground when morning show comes right back on a busy friday morning. day morning. from prom dresses to workouts and new adventures you hope the more you give the less they'll miss. but even if your teen was vaccinated against meningitis in the past they may be missing vaccination for meningitis b. although uncommon, up to 1 in 5 survivors of meningitis will have long term consequences.
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the agency said it determined the known and potential benefits of the two vaccines out weigh the risks for those in this age group and it is safe for children as young as six months old for emergency use authorization of the covid vaccine from the fda. we'll have much more on this throughout the day. in washington, four key senate negotiators of a bipartisan gun bill left an hours long meeting yesterday without a final agreement. senators chris murphy of connecticut and john cornyn of texas, kyrsten sinema of arizona and thom tillis of north carolina struggled to find a solution to the last remaining obstacle, how to close the so-called boyfriend loophole for domestic abusers. senator murphy insists negotiations are ongoing in a newly released statement he stressed the group finalized agreement on the majority of our framework's provisions. but republicans not quite as positive on this. senator john cornyn left the meeting early and told reporters
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he was frustrated, they know where i stand, so far there is no agreement. the group would have to finish the bill today in time for the senate to have enough time to vote on it next week. which is the goal. so jonathan lemire, this is been an ongoing slow process. the committee has -- this sub group has projected confidence and you hear miss murphy for example saying he's grateful for republicans hanging in there, showing up at the table. but they are stuck on the one issue of the boyfriend loophole. >> yes. that is right, willie. and next week loomed large. they want to get this done before congress goes out for the july 4th holiday. they feel like the longer this drags on, the momentum could dissipate and nothing gets done at all. senator murphy continues to sound an optimistic note even as he acknowledged what they get done, if they get it done, would still be incremental.
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the boyfriend loophole is a provision that prevents someone accused of domestic abuse from having a gun. 33 states, i believe, already have certain provisions along those lines. the particular hangup in the language is unclear at this moment. but there is a worrisome subplot here. it is not just john cornyn who is leading the republican effort and a close ally of mitch mcconnell, but he's answering to more and more republicans in his caucus who are frustrated. the gop they want to get this done and they don't want to ask any of the senators to be the 60th and deciding vote, to break the filibuster. they want to clear in a thar by 62, 63, 64 to give cover to members and mcconnell said he would participate and they want to do this and do is soon but new republican resistance is growing at some of the measures. so they feel the longer this
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stretches, the more chances they might lose a few republicans, getting dangerously closer to 60 and the whole thing could fall apart. so next week loom as crunch time to get this done. >> they 12 or 14 republicans on board to clear the 60 vote threshold and the longer it goes, they worry they may lose some. let's turn to the war in ukraine. european extends kyiv an invitation but few arms. leaders of france, germany and italy and romania met with president zelenskyy in ukraine supporting his push toward a step toward membership in the european union. but they stopped short of promising additional heavy weapons which ukraine has been calling for repel the russian invasion. now concentrated on the east and making gains. a third american is feared to be missing in ukraine. this comes as concerns grow that two u.s. military veterans who traveled to help fight against russia may have been captured.
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and nbc news foreign correspondent molly hunter has the latest. >> reporter: this morning there may now be three americans missing in ukraine as families wait desperately for answers. the families of 39-year-old alabama native alex druke, and 27-year-old andy wynn, a former marine say both men went missing last thursday. the state department not confirming their names only saying they have unconfirmed reports of three americans missing in action. citing his wife, the third american is former marine corp officer grady kurpassi. his fiance joy black felt there was something wrong last weekend. >> at what point did something feel off to you? >> i kind of got this inkling in my head on friday and i said it is only been two days. >> black said he called on monday. >> he told me during an operation they get separated and andy and alex did not make the
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rendezvous point. >> and what did you do then. >> i fell on my pillow and cried into it a lot. >> while some americans fighting near the city of kharkiv are part of the foreign legion, those like zack harrison who moved to kyiv joined the ukrainian military directly. >> there is a force atracking my home. i don't know what their actual status was. i'm sure that the russians are going to call them mercenaries so i'm certainly worried for them. i'm not so worried about being captured because i have ukrainian tattoo, a tattoo on mis chest. >> >> a he got done before enlisting knowing what it meant. >> from what i've heard, anybody who is captured that has ukrainian what they could call a nationalist tattoo, they just execute them on the spot. >> and for now black believe that's her fiance is still alive. >> we're all looking for you. we miss you and love you and i
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know you're doing your best to stay safe and come home to us. >> let's hope those americans are found. nbc's molly hunter reporting for us there. katty kay, let's look at the big height here. just a few hours ago the europe commission suggested candidate status for ukraine to join the e.u. russia quickly condemned that. what does that mean exactly? is that a hopeful sign that ukraine may be pulled closer to the rest of europe. >> that is what they have announced and that is what the ukrainians certainly want. but it is going to take some time. i think there was a slight misunderstanding at the beginning of this process when she went to kyiv and she handed over those initial documents to zelenskyy that this could happen in a few weeks. it is not going to be a few weeks. this is going to be -- this is a process and it will take months if not years to get e.u. status. but it would help ukraine at the moment if they had it because it would help them have access to
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more support and security from other european countries. they are disappointed by the lack of flow of heavy weaponry particularly from germany. they thought they would get more from the germans. they had offered more and the ukrainians are saying it is not coming through fast enough. this is a critical moment. the ukrainians are losing ground in the east. there is a big sit severodonetsk, and it looks like it is being cut off and they're not getting support that they were getting in the early stages of the war. the russians think they could just sit this out and wait for the west to lose interest and for west to feel that the war is not worth it for them. that is exactly what ukrainians don't want to happen. >> meanwhile president biden announced another billion dollars from the united states in weapons going to ukraine. coming up this morning, the markets just opened after a very rough week. sent the dow to the low elf levels in more than a year. as inflation continues to weigh heavily on american households
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and investors hoping to bounce back after a rough week on wall street. the s&p 500 fell into bear market territory. and the dow had its 11th negative week in a low falling below 30,000 for the first time since january of 2021. despite the growing fears of a recession, president biden is pushing back saying first of all, it is not inevitable. secondly we're in a stronger position than any nation in the world to overcome this inflation. joining us now, correspondent dom chu. good to see you this morning. i guess you would expect the president of the united states to project confidence, but a new poll published a short time ago and published in the "wall street journal" shows fully 60% of ceo's expect us to be in a recession in the next year or so. so where is the confidence coming from with president biden at 8.6% inflation right now. >> so willie, here is the tough part about this. and this is maybe the reason why markets are reacting the way that they are right now with
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regard to the economy. the outlook and everything else. president biden is arguably correct in and incorrect at the same time with regard to that statement. first of all, as you and i both know, economies move in cycles. they expand and contract. it is not something to be feared but it is just the cyclicality of it. it is a refresh things. and things move in this kind of circular format. so the economy could grow and develop and evolve. so recessions always happen. so it is inevitable. whether it is inevitable in the sext several months or during his watch as president of the united states, he expect, it is not inevitable and the reason why is this kind of notion of where the economic data is pointing to right now and it brings up this idea when it comes to the outlook and the data, there are two different ways of looking at the economy. there is hard economic data which is the absolute numbers, the counting, the gdps, the retail sales and what not, the inflation numbers, and then there is the soft economic data which is more forward-looking. that is things like surveys,
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polls, sentiment indicators and that sort of thing. those are pointing toward this idea that we'll go toward a recession. but the hard economic data is more mixed right now. things are still going well and the job market is strong. so you have this kind of disconnect. whether or not america in and of itself is talking itself into more of a recession because people keep on talking about recession and it just reinforced this negative feedback loop. that is not to say that everything could go hunky dory for here on out, but it does imply there is maybe more strength so the u.s. economy than we care to admit. the fed is an integral part of this and this morning jay powell made comments to a conference addressing the value of the u.s. dollar and want to read it to you right now because he said the federal reserve's strong commitment to our price
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stability man date contributed to the widespread confidence in the dollar as a store of value, my colleagues and i are acutely focus on returning to the 2% objective. that is key. because it does say that first and foremost thing that the fed is concerned about is no longer market stability. it is economic stability and with regard to price. so number one is bringing inflation down. number two, is the jobs market which is still relatively strong. and then number three, these days is maybe the market side of things so it is certainly dynamic to watch, willie. >> very interesting and the fed of course took that big step toward fighting inflation two days ago raising interest rates three quarters of a percentage point, the largest leap since 1994. dom chu, thank you for making sense of all of this for us. we appreciate it. coming up, some of the other stories making front pages across the country including the golden state warriors winning the nba championship over the
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boston celtics. their fourth title for steph curry and the guys in this long run they've been on. and coming up this weekend, on sunday today, over on nbc, my guest is academy award winner emma thompson. you know for from sense and sensible and love actually. she's won a couple of oscars, one for acting and one for writing. the multi-talented thompson is in a new film called "good luck to you leo grand" that has a lot of people talking. my conversation with emma thompson coming up on sunday on nbc. we'll be right back on "morning joe." 'll be right back on "morn joe. ♪ ♪ it was time for a nunormal with nucala. nucala reduces asthma attacks it's a once-monthly add-on treatment for severe eosinophilic asthma. not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. infections that can cause shingles have occured. don't stop steroids unless told by your doctor. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. may cause headache, injection site reactions,
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>> see steph curry very emotional there. this morning they are nba champions again. they beat 103-90 in a game that was never in doubt for the fourth title in the last eight seasons. the seventh championship overall. steph curry now a four-time nba champion led with 34 points last night and named finals mvp. jonathan lemire, you're a celtics fan so i will not ask you to celebrate the warriors championship, but do you have to acknowledge how beautiful this team is to watch, how great steph curry is. you know, we have sons around the same age, the way we wanted to meet michael jordan growing up, kids want to be steph curry and dribble through their legs and throw up a ridiculous three from five feet behind the three-point line and make it. he's one of the great icons in history. >> the deeper the three, the
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better for kids. our boys age. and you have to tip your caps to the greatness of the warriors. they play a really fun style of basketball. coach steve kerr is heading to the hall of fame for what he's done. and give credit to curry here. this is his further title that matched lebron james in terms of rings. he won one before kevin durant showed up in goalen state and now won another one after kevin durant left golden state and they have young pieces around him. this run may not be done. and a brief lament on the celticses who have a 2-1 series lead in game four. if they finish that one at home they're up 3-1, the whole series could have been different. they could have seized control but they collapsed down the center and it was a disappointing end, a disappointing finish to the season but a good fun young team and hopefully they'll be back. >> that is right. you have jaylen brown and jayson tatum. that is a good team.
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and the warriors wither until the wilderness for a couple of years after it looked like they would win forever when they had the worst record in basketball a couple of years ago after injuries to klay thompson and k.d. and the rest. so golden state warriors, world champions again. and congrats to them and the dubs fans out there. coming up next on "morning joe," he coined the term win-win. helped to settle a major league baseball strike and advised president jimmy carter during the iranian hostage crisis. how about that for a rezai. all things the father of rich cohen actually did. rich joins us next with more lessons from his dad, the world's greatest negotiator. ♪♪ ♪♪
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do they get the picture? you laughing now? >> maybe baldwin's finest hour. nearly 30 years since "again gary again ross" hit theaters but two days out from father's day we're learning about the man who inspired the line you heard in his latest book "the adventures of herbie cohen, world's greatest negotiator" rich cohen writes how his father's gift of negotiating was prolific that inspired parts of the play from which the movie was adapted. rich details his father's role in major events in history including negotiations during the iran hassage crisis and rich joins us now. it's great to see you. i'm reading this and this almost can't be real. your father's life is forest gump-ian on the streets of brooklyn where he ran around with sandy koufax and larry king
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as kids and to be at the center of so many moments in american history. tell us about your dad, herbie. >> he's from bensonhurst, brooklyn, lived his life by a philosophy, the see droets a good life is to care, but not that much. and approach life as a game. he was always getting into and out of jams. everything he did as carter, the david play, everything came out of his ethos as a kid and out of the brooklyn streets. that's what amazed me. he wound up lecturing at harvard and yale but it was stuff he learned in his childhood game the warriors as a kid and created a view of life i grew up with. which was approach life like a game. . >> and he wrote the book called "you can negotiate anything", and he proved that. he worked for the justice department, the cia, trained s.w.a.t. teams, and as minged a second ago, he was kind of there at the center of the negotiations to get the hostages out of iran. what was his role in that?
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>> his role, he thought -- he looked at everything like going into sears and buying a dishwasher, which is, he thought jimmy carter made a mistake when he said i'm not leaving the white house until the hostages are released. he said what just happened to the price. and his role was to sort of act a little bit unpredictable and crazy, which what is reagan did when he came in. he became sort of famous when i was a kid when he predicted when the hostages would be released and was right within i think seven minutes. i can give you one anecdote which is, i was playing the board game risk with him when i was a kid, i don't know if you remember that game. >> of course. >> the game of conquest. he had me surrounded in europe on every side. is there something i can do to get you not to annihilate me, he said, give me your snicker's bar. i said that's not part of the game. lesson number one, everything is part of the game. >> everything is part of the
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game. i'm going to put "hunt for red october" for baldwin's finest hour. >> fair. >> i love the story of your dad writing a book disappearing into the basement, writing it long hand, coffee getting all over it, but sending it off 23 times to publishers and every single time it got rejected. how did he get the book out if everybody didn't want to publish it? >> he went down to our basement, and i should say it was an unfinished basement that flooded when it rained, and it rained a lot, and we forget he was down there. we heard screams of coffee, more coffee, and someone would have to bring him down a pot of coffee. there was a line about his early stories which is they came back faster than ping-pong balls. i think he sent them out to every publisher he could find, but he was creating a new genre which was a business book which is really about life and how to get by in life and it's good for family. starts with the story about me, and he finally found this guy
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likely stewart who published a cookbook and all this stuff, as crazy as him, and said i will publish this. he went around in our car, and he sold it all over the country the way like a record man would break a new record, just by hand in different cities, and he had a dream. he was a new yorker who lived in the midwest. he was a fish out of water. and his dream was to be number one on "the new york times" best sellers list. he got i think all the way up to number two and the only reason he couldn't get to number one, number one was occupied by carl sagan's "cosmos." and to this day when staring at the stars, he's thinking -- carl sagan. >> not to turn this into an alec baldwin saga, but it's hard almost to believe the life that your father lived, but talk to us about you today, your father's lessons, you mentioned risk. are you able to in your life take his negotiating tips and
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have they worked out? >> i'm like a coach's son. terrible at negotiating myself because he did it and i was embarrassed to do it, but his bigger idea which is win-win, for you to win, it might be satisfying if you win the and the other side loses, that's a deal never going to last. both sides have to feel like they got something and have their dignity intact. it's a lesson now more than ever needed. people see everything is zero sum and the pie is shrinking and his idea was everybody rises up together. when i would go to him as a kid with a problem he would say, it's just a game, it's just a walnut in the batter of life. just a blip on the radar screen of eternity. that's what i got from him, the sense that none of this really matters, so you might as well have fun. as he would say f you're walking on thin ice, you might as well dance. >> there's a lot of wisdom in there, but it's a fun book to
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read. called "the adventures of herbie cohen, world's greatest negotiator." thanks for being here and great to see you. >> thanks, willie. >> that does it for us this morning. jose diaz-balart picks up the coverage right now. good morning. 10:00 a.m. eastern. i am jose diaz-balart. happening any minute now, former aide to former president trump is set to appear in court after yet another day of dramatic testimony from the house january 6th committee. also this morning, yet another church shooting. this one devastating a community in alabama as lawmakers are continuing to work through a major bipartisan deal to address rising gun violence. we're getting an update this morning from democratic senator dick durbin on where things stand there. on wall street, stocks open flat this morning after a brutal week in the markets as fears grow a recession could be looming. later this hour, new signs
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unity from the west could be cracking as moscow's invasion in ukraine gains ground. . >> this hour we are monitoring a press conference in another sense of gun florence vestavia hills, alabama. police say two people were killed when an gunman opened fire at a church pot luck dinner last night. the gunman in custody but police say the motive is unclear. also happening this morning, the texas house committee investigating last month's elementary school massacre is about to hold another hearing in uvalde where that shooting took place. memorial services were held yesterday for 11-year-old lila salas, the last funeral to be held in uvalde for the victim of a shooting. another child,
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