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>> the conversation was pretty heated. >> i remember hearing the word wimp, he called him a wimp. i don't remember if he said you are a wimp. >> it was a different tone that i had heard him take with the vice president before. >> these pictures of pence never seen before, the vice president being hidden by the secret service in an underground garage under the capitol, reading the president's tweet that said that pence lacked courage to overturn the election. that tweet helped inflame the mob, a mob that had come within 40 feet of the vice president when he was making his escape. markets are mixed today after thursday's disastrous day on wall street and president biden gets defensive about economists predicting a recession. two american veterans fighting in ukraine have gone missing, along with a possible third who volunteered to fight the russians. we will have the latest from
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kyiv. follow the money, nbc justice correspondent pete williams retracing the steps of the watergate breakout that brought down a president. we begin with the january 6th committee and capitol hill correspondent ali vitali, former u.s. attorney joyce vance and "washington post" congressional investigation reporter jacquelin alamani. you talked to bennie thompson about getting ginni thomas to talk about her emails. let me play part of your interview. >> look, we have sent miss thomas a letter asking her to come and talk to the committee. >> you sent it? you have sent it already? >> listen to me. what you said, if she responded while the hearing was going on,
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that she wants to come, we look forward to her coming. >> there was some disagreement, wasn't there, on the committee as to whether to try to get mrs. thomas to come in? it would be unprecedented. >> that's exactly right. her role in this is such a fascinating one. it's at the nexus of what should be a non-political supreme court and efforts within donald trump's orbit to overturn the election results. as they were detailing what was happening with john eastman, of course, ginni thomas' connection to him as well as mark meadows is going to be of interest. what happened yesterday as the hearings were ongoing was the fact that the committee members publically got in line saying that they thought that it was time to hear from ginni thomas, because of things that they had come across in the course of their investigation. then, of course, after the hearings, and after we had heard from ginni thomas through her conservative news outlet saying she looked forward to clearing
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things up, saw me asking chairman thompson about this. the reason i was pressing him saying, you have sent that letter, is because he was speaking in the past tense. we hadn't publically known that they had already sent a letter inviting ginni thomas to speak to them. what it presents is the fact that even as they are showcasing this narrative setting phase of the findings with these public hearings, they are still very much fact finding. in fact, inviting people to come in and talk to them. >> jackie, you and "the washington post" broke the store roy about ginni thomas' emails, to john eastman. eastman who was described as a crank and a crackpot lawyer. there were all kinds of descriptions of him yesterday. he wanted to overturn the election but acknowledged he knew it couldn't be, that it would be illegal to do it. >> yeah, andrea. my colleagues and i broke that story initially that the
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committee obtained correspondence between john eastman and ginni thomas, that show that ginni thomas' involvement in the efforts to overturn the election are wider than previously known. we are not sure what they say exactly. john eastman yesterday spoke out for the first time in quite some time trying to play a bit of defense. he claimed the emails between him and ginni were innocuous. he was simply -- she was simply inviting him to come speak tore a group about their efforts to find and identify election fraud. but that very much is not what we think the full story is. we are in the midst of chasing it at the moment. look, our colleague emma brown reported multiple times of instances where ginni thomas herself was targeting and reaching out to state legislatures in arizona, asking them to participate in this scheme to propose an alternate
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slate of electors. she was already involved in these efforts. now the committee is finally getting enough information to really paint out and blow out that full picture of just how far she went with this scheme. >> jackie, would this be a subpoena or an invitation, a deposition? >> the way that the committee has worked up until now is they have issued letters as ali got bennie thompson to tell us, which was a surprise when he said, we sent her a letter, to come in for a voluntary interview. those interviews are usually videotaped or recorded. if she declines to come in, which according to "the daily caller," she said she's excited to come in and tell her side of the story, but if that is not true, then the committee needs to decide how they're going to
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escalate the situation. that could be a subpoena, which would be unprecedented, subpoenaing the wife of a supreme court justice to come in and speak to congress. what's unprecedented is the wife of a supreme court being so politically involved in actions that the committee has argued are unconstitutional and potentially criminal. >> absolutely unprecedented. joyce, i want to play some of what we heard from greg jacob, the chief counsel to mike pence, about those messages received from john eastman. he is questioned by a committee lawyer as well as by pete aguilar. >> what was vice president pence's reaction when you showed him the email where dr. eastman, after the attack on the capitol, still asked that the vice president delay certification and send it back to the states? >> he said, that's rubber room stuff. >> i'm sorry? he said it's rubber room stuff? >> yes, congressman.
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>> what did you interpret that to mean? >> that that was certifiably crazy. >> we also saw, joyce, pete aguilar, the congressman, also questioning him, i believe. if we can play that and i will ask you about both. i'm sorry, i thought we had that. basically, the questioning of john eastman or of greg jacob about john eastman, who took the fifth, was that he was all over the place as to the legality that he was proposing. this was the president's lawyer. >> that final clip that you show is remarkable. january 6th has happened. it happened and ended. eastman still wants to go back for one more effort to make sure that people will go along with
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the plan to steal the election. sort of like, okay, all can be forgiven now. it's unbelievable. i think the vice president's characterization of it is really accurate. andrea, you point out something really important here, which is that eastman blows back and forth with the wind. every time greg jacob, who is pence's chief counsel, comes at him with an explanation for why the plan is illegal or unconstitutional and jacob writes this very lucid three-page memo where he talks about how the 12th amendment and the electoral college act work and why they prohibit this sort of scheme that eastman has come up with for numerous reasons, and eastman always seems to pop back up again. it is like playing whack-a-mole. he says, if you wrote invalidate the election, then at least declare a recess in the certification process, send everything back to the states and maybe that will give us time
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to play. it's a craven exercise in stealing an election. >> he says that that would be politically more palatable. he said, put me on the pardons list to rudy giuliani. >> you only need a pardon if you believe that you have committed a crime. to ask to receive a pardon seems to be tantamount to an admission of guilty. eastman took the fifth amendment over 100 times. >> joy and ali and jackie, thank you so much. debbie dingell joins me now. thanks for being with us. i want to drill down on barry
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loudermilk, the republican congressman who tried to deny to us that he was escorting tourists around the capitol, who were then pausing and taking pictures of rather suspicious things like security checkpoints and hallways, corridors, things that are not usually of interest to tourists. one of whom was later seen and heard marching on the capitol with the people who attacked the capitol. there was some indication from one of your colleagues there were other such tours, which have to be authorized by a top staff member, especially when the capitol was closed because of covid. >> i'm just going to tell you from my own personal experience, i was irritated enough, because we were also in covid pandemic. there was -- it was the day before the certification was going to take place. i was going over to the floor.
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there was a whole group of members not wearing masks -- not members, there was a group of visitors. we weren't supposed to have visitors inside of the complex. but they weren't wearing masks. i was irritated enough. i went over and complained to the police. then i went to members of leadership and said, i thought we weren't supposed to be doing this. a number of people heard me complain. the police officers that day thanked me for saying something because they had to work there and they weren't being protected. there were tours taking place that day. i don't have the facts. the committee is getting the facts. but there were tours and i was a witness to more than one. >> did the police officers whom you complained to say that they had been authorized by a member? >> that's exactly what they said. they said that because there are a member of law enforcement, they can't tell a member that they can't do something. when i went back, by the way, i
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yelled at those visitors and said, you are supposed to have a mask in here. they thanked me because they said they are not allowed to do that. this is clear because i noticed it because of the pan democrat inas well. >> you can see in the image we have up there in the video clip just now, one of those tourists was taking pictures. there's another right at the magnatometer. this is hardly the most picturesque part. >> people were taking pictures where i was was the tunnel, which is where we walk underneath. it's very memorable in my head. the committee is investigating this and getting to the bottom of it. i did report it to the house administration and was assured on january 6th that that would not be the case, that there -- it would be not happen again. >> talk to me about the committee itself.
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do you expect them to release more foot anl showing other republican members and more evidence as the hearings progress next week? >> i know that they're trying to get to the bottom of the facts. what i think is very important is that the american people get the facts. i do not have access to all of the data that they have gotten, like most members. this is a committee that is trying to be objective to get the facts and have the american people see what the facts are. i think it's very important this not be a political exercise. i do believe that january 6th was an attack on our democracy. i believe that people came to the hill prepared to kill people that day. i want the american people to see in a very straightforward way what the facts are that this committee has been finding. >> congresswoman debbie dingell, thank you very much. wall street worries. despite a brow tal week for the markets and a big move by the fed, the president disagrees with the those economists, many of them who prediblth a recession lives ahead. who is right?
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washington street is trying to find its footing after a brutal week of sell-offs and fears of a looming recession following the federal reserve's highest interest rate hike in 28 years. 75 basis points. joining us, the former chairman of the council of economic advisors for president obama and a professor of economics. it's good to see you. >> good to see you. >> there's consensus about a recession ahead, that would be hard to get the soft landing given what jay powell said is that there is probably another 75 basis point increase ahead. the president in an interview has said a recession is not inevitable. what is your take?
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>> the president's right. it's not inevitable. there's risk. whenever you go into a rate tightening cycle, like what we are in the middle of, especially if it happens quickly, you gotta be -- you gotta think there's some chance that you are going to lead to recession. we're trying to turn the hot and the cold to get the shower the right temperature. if you crank it all the way hot and then you try to crank it cold, you might get a little burned. >> is it more likely than not? how would you rate the likelihood? >> you know, i think the thing that we're not fully grasping or appreciating in this situation is that some significant component of how we got inflation came from supply shocks and supply disruptions. that gives you a recession and
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inflation, essentially. so if the virus fades out and if we don't have a monkeypox pandemic, if the war doesn't keep getting worse in ukraine, we could get some positive news, kind of reversing some of the negatives that happened during covid, and then i would feel more confident. if you started to see the new inflation numbers over the next three months coming down, which there are a lot of economists and the fed predicting it will, again, i would be feeling better about it. if you don't see the inflation coming down, then i think the fed is going to feel like it is the 1970s again and they've got to raise the rates even more. if they raise the rates enough, they can create -- they can raise the unemployment rate and create a recession, trying to get inflation down. if it's coming from the supply side, it won't necessarily get inflation down. but that's where we are.
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>> the president also said in that interview that he doesn't think the $1.9 trillion covid relief package was the cause of this or contributed to it. a lot of other people disagree, because it wasn't paid for and it was too much stimulus in the economy. >> as you know, andrea, there's a lot of argument about what is the source of this inflation. there's a group that says fiscal stimulus plus monetary stimulus from the fed, keeping the interest rates as low as they were, is the main cause of the inflation. the other side looks around the world and you got highest inflation in 40 years going in europe. you got producer price inflation that's higher than the consumer price inflation. higher in asia and europe than in the u.s. they didn't do the same policies. i think we're back and forth on that. regardless of which you think it is, it's probably some combination of both supply and
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demand factors. i don't find it that helpful to argue about whether in 2020 and 2021 the spending or the monetary stimulus caused it. the question is for right now, over the next six months, what is it that anyone can do and how will the system right itself? the thing is, the major stimulus expenditure was in 2021. it was last year. actually, we're on path to have the biggest drop in the deficit in the history of the united states. it's actually going to be contributing to recession, the fact that we went from plus $2 trillion last year, that becomes minus $2 trillion this year because it's all about compared to last year. >> maybe some bright spots ahead, or less bad spots. >> keep our fingers crossed. >> indeed.
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there may be three americans missing in ukraine, all of them veterans who went to ukraine on their own to fight. president biden reacting to that just moments ago. >> i have been briefed. we don't know where they are. americans should not be going to ukraine now. say it again. americans should not be going to ukraine now. >> the families of the former u.s. army staff sergeant and former marine say both went missing last wednesday. we spoke with the one man's fiancee who say a friend called her monday about the situation. >> he told me how during an operation they got separated. andy and alex did not make their rendezvous point.
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>> for the third missing american, "the washington post" citing his wife, identifies him as a marine corps officer. the state department says it's aware of unconfirmed reports about three missing men but not confirming any of the men's identities. ellison barber joins us. do we have any information about how or where these missing americans could have been captured or worse wounded? >> reporter: we have very little information, especially when you listen to those heartbreaking interviews. the amazing reporting from molly hunter of the families just so clearly terrified about what happened to them. andy and alex, their families have not heard from them since last week. there was a report in the british outlet citing comrades of the men and in that report they say that the men were captured by russian forces after a battle in the kharkiv area.
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that reporting has not been independently verified by nbc news. the state department says they are aware of the unconfirmed reports that the two american men have been captured by russian forces. a spokesperson for the agency said yesterday that they are in touch with ukrainian authorities, the international red cross as well as the men's families. they say they have not reached out to the russian federation, in part, because they say they have not seen any concrete evidence or claims from russian forces saying that these men are in their captivity. at the same time, you have the state department now confirming a third american has been reported missing in recent weeks. they wouldn't go into any specific details about that case other than saying this individual had traveled to ukraine to join the fight and to take up arms. andrea? >> ellison, today a defiant vladimir putin dismissing the u.s. and western sanctions today, as european leaders in
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the last two days have been visiting kyiv. the british prime minister again today, his second visit. a show of solidarity. to offset reports of waivring support. not the weapons that zelenskyy wants so desperately. >> reporter: look, the support for ukraine's candidate status in the eu from the four leaders who were here yesterday, among them france and germany, the two largest economies in the eu block, was incredibly significant. it's something that zelenskyy -- we were at the presidential palace listening to them speak yesterday. he was pleased with it. ukraine has been seeking this candidate status since 2014. there's a lot going on on the east. what we keep hearing from ukrainian officials is that they are outgunned and outmanned in the eastern front. they need more help. they need more weapons, more advanced weapons, a lot faster than they have been getting them so far.
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severodonetsk, you have over 500 people trapped underneath a chemical plant where they were sheltering. 38 of them said to be children. in the last 24 hours, had you the regional leader saying there's no way for them to evacuate those people right now. in part because all of the bridges leading into severodonetsk have been destroyed. the situation on the east is dire, remains dire. zelenskyy among others continue to say, they need more advanced weapons quicker from western allies. >> thanks so much. with senate gun safety bill now stalled, because of republican resistance to gun restrictions for abusive partners, the so-called boyfriend loophole, another deadly shooting has struck an american city, this time at a church pot luck near birmingham, balance balance. two people are dead. a suspect is in custody. sam brock joins us from alabama. bring us up to speed on what's happened there. >> reporter: we got pretty
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chilling details today. we learned from the police that the person who committed this atrocity was inside of the pot luck dinner. a person of occasional attendance at the church who had been there for a period of time. this call came in 6:22 at night many the event started at 5:00. there was a man there, 71 years old, a concealed handgun. pulled it out in the middle of the event and started shooting. we learned that a fellow attendee there subdued that man as mutual aid was arriving and the police units arriving on scene. someone next to him held down the shooter until police could get in and detain him. no doubt saving lives. we asked the question to the captain today. he confirmed that. we are not getting a lot of information right now when it comes to motives or whether or not this was someone known by the church community or had previous encounters with police. the captain said this is part of the investigation. shock and awe at this point. i'm standing downtown.
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behind me, it's ten minutes from the police station. this might as well be any downtown throughout the south or middle america where people are suddenly coming to terms with what just happened in their backyard. we are talking about what is according to the mayor one of the lowest crime rate areas in the entire country. on their police department website, the police talk about the fact that this is rated one of the consistently safest places in alabama. a beautiful place to raise your family and have a business. that's the backyard where this transpired. there was a church service earlier today that we attended briefly. 30 minutes long. i can tell you there were three to 400 cars in the parking lot. that's how many people from all over the area came out to pair respects to the victims as this country waits to see what d.c. lawmakers will do when it comes to new laws to prevent something like this from happening again. >> indeed. sam brock, thank you so much. the new testimony about the man behind trump's attempts to
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after further discussion acknowledged, well, yeah, you are right, we would lose 9-0. >> dramatic testimony that the president knew his plan to overturn the election was illegal. so did the trump lawyer leading the campaign to keep trump in office. joining me now is ben ginsburg, a republican election lawyer, a celebrated lawyer who testified to the january 6 committee and played a key role in the 2000 florida recount. ben, it's great to see you. let's talk about the january 6th hearings. to a non-lawyer, john eastman acknowledging, according to the testimony, that he knew all along that this would have gone against the election count law of 1887 and that both paths going to the states or stopping the count and putting their own electors up would have been illegal. one less illegal than the other.
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neither, of course, were. what does that mean for him? then there's evidence that he asked for a pardon. >> yeah. the way john eastman played this out was obviously to appeal to his client. many a lawyer has gotten caught in the trap of being so involved in trying to please a client that you lose sight of what really is important, that what you are supposed do as a lawyer. this feels like one of those instances. >> do you think that they are beginning to build a case that the justice department would pick up and actually try to build a case against the president, or would actually indicting a former president be so unprecedented and so politically volatile, especially one talking about running for office again, that that's something that no attorney general would want to do? >> i'm doubtful there will be a prosecution. first of all it would take a tremendous amount of time and
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would further divide a polarized country. what the january 6 committee is doing and what presumably the justice department is doing is laying out the complete historical record to show how unprecedented what the trump forces were doing is. by exposing that, making sure it never happens again. perhaps there will be legislation to be sure that never happens again. >> to that point, according to a "washington post" aanalysis, moe than 100 of the officials nominated in primaries so far, republican primaries so far, are election deniers. these include secretaries of state, now 17 of the nominees in 23 states, i believe, or maybe 23 in 17 states. you would know better than i. there's so many states now that are vulnerable to deniers who would change the election count,
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create false allegations of fraud, try to change the outcome. >> there are many candidates who are doing it, which means that the warning bells are flashing as they have never done in neither of our long careers. that means we have to be ever vigilant about it. it's also true that those deniers still have to face the voters before they get into office. so voters get a choice in the democracy. i continue to think that even if an election denier is elected to office, there's still going to be some guardrails. it will be more difficult, but it -- when you are in the position of power, overturning the vote of the people is something that is wrong on principle and perilous politically for anyone who does it. >> you and bob bower, former general counsel in the obama white house, white house
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counsel, obviously democrat, you were teaming up to try to help protect poll workers. >> yes. all election officials. bob and i co-chaired presidential commission back in 2013, 2014, we got to know a large number of election officials around the country and developed a real respect and admiration for the job they do. they never get praised if elections go right. the wrath comes down on them if they do them wrong. when we saw elections officials being prosecuted for just doing their jobs, bob and i formed this. we do provide pro bono legal services to any election officials who need it. >> when you listen to the nixon tapes, even now that the language that is used in the oval office, it's all shocking. how shocked are you about the threats and the pressure on mike
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pence from the president? >> totally unprecedented. even more so than what we saw in watergate. what is true about mike pence and the position that they put one individual in is really unprecedented, that there is sort of a one person guarding against a real deterioration of the democracy. so while the plan didn't work, it emphasizes how perilously close we came. that's why what the committee is doing in laying out what happened is important for guarding against that happening again. >> as judge luttig said, he would lay down his body to stop anyone from overturning an election. ben, it's great to see you. thank you so much. watergate, 50 years later. we will take you back to the break-in that ended a presidency with two d.c. policemen who were
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committee headquarters in the watergate building. no one knew this would later become one of the most defining political events of the 20th century. nbc's justice correspondent pete williams takes us back to the beginning. >> early in the morning 50 years ago, these two men were washington, d.c. police officers responding to a report of a break-in at the headquarters of the democratic national committee. walking through these very same halls, they didn't know what to expect. >> do i think we're on to something? yes. but i have no idea how big it's going to be. >> no idea that the arrests they made that night would lead to the discovery of a political scandal that ended with richard nixon becoming the only american president ever to leave office in the middle of his term. >> therefore, i shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. >> watergate changed the american political system and the very language of scandal. at first, it looked like a petty crime. five men arrested june 17th,
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1972, after breaking into the national democratic party headquarters. these two responded to the police radio call, while they were on regular duty as part of a plainclothes detail. a security guard at the watergate officeplain-clothed d. a security detail called police after noticing that one had use tape to prevent the stairwell doors from locking. with guns drawn. they searched room by room until they came to a room of cubicles. officer john barrett suddenly saw an arm. >> i yelled something to the effect of, get your hands up, et cetera, expletive deleted, i'm sure, and paul came in, jumped up on a desk, points his guns drawn. five hands go up. >> this shows the actual desks the burglars hit behind. one of them was holding a raincoat wouldn't drops it.
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barrett feared it was hiding a gun. he drop the coat, but it was precarious at this point, almost ready to let a round go. >> reporter: so what do you think when you sigh five guys stand up in suits? >> they all look like business people. i'm thinking is this some kind of international thing. >> reporter: you mean like spies? >> i know i'm in something big. >> reporter: the white house called it a third-rate burglary. it became clear, though it's never been firmly established who ordered the break-in or what the purpose was, but from the beginning, the question was how high up it went. nixon claimed his knew nothing. that defense soon began to unravel, in part from facts uncovered by carl bernstein and woodward. a year later, john dean, the white house counsel, said nixon
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knew about efforts to cover up the break-in. >> i began by telling the president there's a cancer growing on the presidency. if the cancer was not removed, the president would be killed by it. >> reporter: then a spectacular discovery, virtually all important conversations were recorded on audiotape, because president nixon had ordered the installation of recorders. >> good evening. the country tonight is in the midst of what may be the most serious constitutional crisis in its history. >> reporter: when a special prosecutor, archibald cox, pushed to get the tapes, nixon wanted cox fired. both of attorney and deputy attorneys quit, in what became known as the saturday night massacre. the white house eventually turn over the tapes after a house committee voted to impeach and key republicans told nixon they had lost faith in him, the 37th president of the united states
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resigned and bid a tearful good-bye to his staff. >> always remember, others may -- those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. >> reporter: many tom aides were convicted. gerald ford gave him a full pardon. it all started with a emergency call and two policemen. >> i'm thinking about every hour or so, my god, what are we involved with here? >> indeed. joining me now is pete williams. that's extraordinary. wonderful. just two guys, and the guard at the watergate who noticed the tape on the door. >> what actually happened -- the guard was doing his regular checks and saw that one of the lox had been taped over, pulled
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it out of, went across the street to get a bite, and when he came back, the tape was back. he called his superiors, and they said, you better call the police. the police radio call went out, suspicious circumstance at the watergate. >> suspicious indeed. pete, it's so interesting, because the justice department, which you cover full time as well as the court, the justice department, all those recent ig nations, the saturday night massacre. that was similar to the threat we just heard about from the testimony, the threat of resignations in the trump white house. >> yes, they finally, of course, someone who was willing to fire archibald cox. that person, of course, was robert bork. >> some final thoughts about watergate, a lot of credit is appropriately given to my friends bob woodward and carl bernstein, the interrupt "the washington post" team that
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♪♪ good afternoon. you're watching "chris jansing reports" live from new york. today, another new chapter in the expanding and complicated story behind the january 6th insurrection. former trump adviser peter navarro was back in federal court today, pleading not guilty to the charges by the justice department. all that comes against a back drop of an apparent rift between the doj and the 1/6 committee. in fact, we know some lawmakers have grown frustrated with america garland's justice department as many of the bigger place in the scheme, people already heavily featured like john eastman or rudy giuliani, are yet to face charges. the committee has disagreed internally whether to recommend criminal cha
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