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of james, mccord. he is one of five persons surprised and arrested yesterday inside the headquarters of the democratic national committee in washington. mccord is a former cia employee. now he runs his own private security service. and guess what else he is? a consultant to president richard nixon's re-election campaign committee. >> nixon's watergate scandal began 50 years ago today. like trump, his presidency ended in crime and chaos, but there were major differences in the methods the two presidents used to cling to power. also tonight, the unholy alliance between ginni thomas and the people plotting to overturn the presidential election. a member of congress who is now calling for her husband, justice clarence thomas, to resign joins me. we begin tonight with june 17, 1972, the day five bungling burglars broke not offices of the democratic national committee located in the watergate complex in washington, d.c. two years later president nixon

resigned. the 50th anniversary of watergate comes as public hearings are under way by the house committee investigating the january 6th capitol insurrection. two major political scandals, nearly half a country apart, two presidents driven by a thirst for power. unlike trump, nixon pulled his scandal despite being on a comfortable path to reelection and his efforts to meddle were more secretive than the very public brazen attempts by trump who relied on cameras and the internet to provoke his capital siege. let's not forget that trump pressured vice president pence privately, too, bullied him even, and while nixon was a bill just behind the scenes, he never set up his vice president for execution. trump, however, did exactly that, relentlessly badgering pence to break the law, incorrectly claiming that the vice president had the mother to unilaterally overrule the votes of 80 million people and reverse the results of the election saying if he didn't, he was a coward or the colloquial word for a kitty.

it was as trumpian as it gets filled with taunts, harassment and lies. >> i hope mike is going to do the right thing. i hope so. i hope so, because if mike pence does the right thing, we win the election. mike pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn't, that will be a sad day for our country because you're sworn to uphold our constitution. >> at 2:24 p.m. on january 6th trump condemned pence in a tweet just as the crowds outside and inside the capitol surged. this is what sarah matthews, a former trump press aide, said in an interview with panel investigators about that crucial moment. >> it was clear that it was escalating and escalating quickly. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence. >> so then when that tweet, the mike pence tweet was sent out, i remember us saying that that was the last thing that needed to be

tweeted at that moment. the situation was already bad, and so it felt like he was pouring gasoline on the fire by tweeting that. >> on thursday the january 6th committee revealed in vivid terrifying detail just when the target was seared on to the vice president's back. >> i'm here to report that if mike pence we're going drag you [ bleep ] through the street. >> he deer is toffs burn with the rest of them. >> we just heard that mike pence is not going to reject any fraudulent elector votes! >> boo! >> that's right. hough heard it here first. mike pence has betrayed the united states of america! >> now remember, this attack came with bloodshed when a capitol officer called carnage.

they erecked gallos fit for a lynching and the third hearing revealed that the proud boys would indeed have killed the vice president if given the chance forcing pence's security detail to rush him from the senate chamber to a nearby room and then down a flight of stairs to an underground loading dock where he waid for nearly five hours. it is hard to imagine a bigger scandal than the one that forced an american vice president to literally hide in a basement as a mob just dozens of feet away called for his head, but the scandals we remember, that history remembers, are the ones like watergate that result in meaningful consequences. today new details emerged from the january 6th committee. it is now cooperating with the department of justice to share transcripts of their interviews two days after the doj september the committee a left saying it was critical that the committee provide transcripts of all witness interviews. consequences may be coming. joining me now is michael steele, msnbc political analyst and former rnc chair and michael

beschloss, nbc news presidential historian and host of "fireside history on peacock. michael beschloss is our resident historian as well. i'll let you go at it, because these are the parallels, right? both presidents wanted to remain president, wanted to cling to power. they had two very different method, but, you know, i personally feel that setting up your vice president for execution takes it a notch higher than watergate but i'll leave it to you. you're the historian. >> no, i think it does take it a notch higher than watergate, and, you know, i grew up always thinking that watergate was a terrible scandal and maybe the worst american political history and until donald trump it probably was. but richard nixon never dreamt of doing things like disrupting the peaceful transfer of power which as both of you well known is a foundation stone of american democracy and also he

didn't like spiro agnew, and i'm not going to call him michael steele's favorite republican. michael has evolved since he was in maryland politics at that day, long after spiroing a, new but the point is nixon didn't like him, wanted to get rid of him, but never wanted to go to this exstep, and the point that is that richard nixon, as bad as he was, we're talking about peaceful transfer of power. look at what he did in 1960. he lost to john kennedy. that election, as you both know, was decided by two states, texas and illinois. texas 45,000 votes, 9,000 votes in illinois, nixon was convinced until the end of his life that those two states were stolen from him, yet when it came to certifying the votes, vice president nixon on the 6th of

january, 1961, went into the house chamber and graciously said john kennedy has been elected president of the united states, and one of the great features of democracy he said is that when there is a winner and a loser, the loser admits it and the loser says to the country let's unite. >> yeah, indeed. i mean, you know, michael steele, in one way the difference between nixon and trump is that nixon was a patriot. you can say whatever else he wanted about him but he had the dignity to resign. in the end he loved his country more than he loved himself. that's not true of trump. you know, i want to talk to you just a little bit about a trajectory because i do feel like a lot of republican party politics was shaped, you know, in the post-nixon era by a resentment towards nixon being forced out. you know, i to this day will swear that the impeachment of bill clinton was in part a chance to sort of balance the checkbook there. was a determination to impeach bill clinton. no matter what you're going to look for something you want to balance the checkbooks and

people like roger stone that came out of the nixon era that thought he could get a better version of nixon. there's a document says trump would be the perfect new nickson, and i feel like nixon really shaped the kind of resentment politics and the kind of racial politics of the republican party. what do you think? >> no, i think that that's a very accurate historical point. in fact, not just nixon being balanced by what we see going on -- what we saw going on with clinton but also when you go back and you look at the bourque nomination and merrick garland is pailback for bourque, and that's beneath the effort and all the efforts in stalling and pushing back on democrats on supreme court nominations. they were nothing if not petty. i think that that's clear historically at this point.

we -- we're the elephant symbol for a reason, because we do remember the slights. and the unfortunate knocks upside the head. the kifrps though i think it's important to point out as michael did, the difference between these two men, nixon had a connection to the country. >> yeah. >> say what you want about, you know, how he performed in office. he had a connection to the country, and he knew where the bright lines were. trump didn't give a damn about the connection to the country. had no clue where the lines were. in fact, didn't want to know where the lines were because that was just an unnecessary burden that he'd have to carry around to know that, okay, i've got to pretend like, you know, i really care here. so there's a big difference, and what's stark about that in my view is how much the party, how

much the party just acquiesced to obliterating the lines, no longer caring. >> yeah. >> about the country which is what the stand was for me personally in 2020, the country matters more than the party. >> yeah. >> and i think a lot of people see that now starkly as these hearings on the hill have shown. >> michael beschloss, i mean, nixon did usher in the southern strategy which took the whole idea of racial resentiment and we onized it. he didn't have fox news or breitbart or right wing news. he didn't have the ability to turn charge that and right now any election decided on the basis what have majority voters want is illegitimate and they don't have to accept it and they don't need to accept it. this is donald trump in october of 2020. this is october, before the election, making it clear that

he really didn't believe that he necessarily had to accept an election he didn't win. take a listen. >> right. >> will you commit to making sure that there is a peaceful transferral of power after the election? >> we'll have to see what happens. you know that. i've been complaining very strongly about the ballots, and the ballots are a disaster. >> i know that, but people are riot, do you commit to making there's a peaceful transfer of snow shower. >> get rid of the ballots and we'll have a very peaceful -- there won't be a transfer frankly. there will be a continuation. >> there will be a continuation. >> at this point retired federal judge michael lewdig, about as conservative as they come. he would have had the alito seat if previous presidents had wanted it, says donald trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present danger to american democracy. they are executing that blueprint for to 24 in open and plain view of the american public. i would have never uttered one single one of those words unless the former president and his

allies were speaking those words to the america. have we crossed a threshold where one political party is a danger to our democracy? >> we, have because the majority of the republican party voters and also leadership seems to support donald trump each though on the 6th of january last year he almost took our democracy away, you know. i always grew up thinking that conservatives were people who loved our american institutions, you know, like elections and the way the political system, would. this is not a conservative party anymore. this is a party of radicals who want to destroy and, you know, the fact that judge lewdig could have come so far to say something like that after being the darling of conservatives for decades i think almost says it all. >> yeah, and they have ruin the great name of the radical republican, because radical republican was a good thing back in the 18th century.

>> those on lincoln's back to make sure he was tough on the south as he should have been. >> don't get me started on hannibal hamlin. i'll do a whole hour. don't threaten me with a good time. we're going do that up day, i'm obsessed with are hannibal hamlin. >> michael steele, we're at a point now, this is what makes meer in vow. there was a yahoo poll that said half of all americans, this is whether you're a democrat or republican, now predict the united states may cease to be a democracy some day, anwish they would ask the follow-up question are you okay with that because a new survey conduct after the first hearing found that fewer than one in four, 24% said they watched the initial broadcast life and half said they are not following these hearings at all. i'm not sure that we have enough of a critical mass of americans that care whether we're a democracy or not. there are many more people i think out there who don't necessarily care one way or another. they just really want to know what will be the price of gas and will they get what they want

when they vote for trump okay, you know, whatever republican they prefer? >> yeah. you know, i will try to do my best ari melber but i won't in trying to recall the song that goes, you know, you're gonna miss me when i'm gone, and that's basically what democracy is saying to us right now as a country. >> how could i miss you if you won't go away, right? >> there's that, too. >> sorry, sorry. >> but that's -- that's essentially what the country is saying, what democracy is saying to the people of this country right now. you're going to miss me when i'm gone. yeah, you get your fixation on high gas prize and inflation, and those are important, they really are. >> yes. >> but, you know, in the final analysis, when you're standing there at the pump, you know, paying $2 again for gasoline but instead of going to the polling place you have to go back home because you can't vote anymore or they stripped -- stripped your ability to do so freely,

that's a problem. >> yeah, and as you said you only find out when it's too late normally when democracies fall. my favorite michaels, michael and michael. michael steele and michael beschloss, wishing you a happy wonderful juneteenth weekend. >> thank, joy. >> up next on "the reidout," after new revelations about the kecks between ginni thomas and the people plotting the events of january 6th, a member of congress is calling on her husband justice clarence thomas to resign. he joins me next. "the reidout" continues after this. oins me next "the reidout" continues after this

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the news this week that ginni thomas, wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas, was communicating with john eastman, a man accused of illegally trying to corrupt the democrat you can process has once again cast a shadow over her husband's tenure on the court. this isn't the first time that mrs. thomas' activism for conservative issues has landed the couple in hot water. strangely she's the only spouse that remains active. chief justice john roberts' wife gave up her are work with a pro-life daws. ginni leaned into her political

activism and launched a political consulting group whose group filed amicus briefs before the court that judge thomas sits on and arcing for an undemocratic and illegal reversal of an election. really calls into question justice thomas' impartiality. the justice said he and his wife are melded as one and by sheer coincidence justice thomas was the lone dissent to reject trump's bid to reject documents of the january 6th panel. the court is held to a different standard, basically no standard at all. they are basically untouchable. well done, founders. in the meantime the public is losing patience and faith. a recent poll shows that 73% of americans believe that the justices should be bound by the code of ethics that all the federal judges are required to follow, and yesterday democratic

congressman bill pasquel of new jersey said clarence thomas should have dignity and final respect for our democracy and resign. the congressman joins me now. given the fact that he's shown -- thank you so much. given the fact that he's shown no interest in cleaning up this appearance of conflict going all the way back. i'll put up on the screen. clarence thomas' wife ginni has publicly volked for repealing the affordable care act. he voted to repeal the affordable care act. jumped on donald trump's izumo phobic travel ban. he voted to uphold the travel ban. she's advocated to overturn the 2020 election. he vote as i just mentioned to withhold documents repealing "roe v. wade," he supports repealing "roe v. wade," gun restriction. he doesn't want them. he has voteded in favor of

overturning d.c.,'s ban on gun and reversing transgender rights. he's not for them and voted as such. they track -- he's never shown any ink lynn to resign. why do you suppose he would now? >> you know, joy, no one is above the law. i think we've already established that in this country that there is no way out if the law says this is what you need to do. and i'll read you what the law says. you come to your open choice, and that is the law says any justice, judge or magistrate, judge of the united states shall disqualify himself in any proceedings in which the impartiality might -- might reasonably be questioned. now we know that the judge on

the supreme court, mr. thomas, has already made decisions on whether or not cases would be heard in front of the supreme court talking about all these fraudulent activities with 62 judges and they are coming before the supreme court and they want to come before the supreme court, and he did not recuse himself even though his wife. she has every right to do, but it's his wife, and he is a very special person are, the law is colleagues, and i believe that he does not does not deserve to serve of on the court if the law says he can't if there are problem and there are major problems here, joy. >> are you implying he's broken the law?

>> the law says so very clearly. that's why i read it. >> how would he be held to account because we have separation of powers in the justice department is in the executive branch. he is in obviously the judicial branch. the separation of powers. it feels like the way that the court was built he is basically untouchable. who would prosecute him. do you think merrick garland would? >> the supreme court will have to be judge and jury. they take care of their own internal matters. in thomas should have at the time recused himself when before his wife's messages to mark meadows came out, all 230 some of them, and we find out that that was a very interesting relationship, but, you know, they are going home at night with each other, and i don't believe and nobody else believes, and it doesn't matter what i believe or you believe on this, it's what the law says.

>> yeah. >> he should have recused himself. his wife is not an escape hatch for him. >> last question. do you believe that he should be impeached, and do you think there's a chance he would be impeached by the house, even if the senate wouldn't convict him? >> well, the point of the matter is that is what the supreme court has decided because there's nothing written in the law that somebody else is going to oversee this. the court would have to take care of itself. >> take care of itself. >> it may not ask him to resign. it would ask him to recuse himself from things that are brought before the court. >> right. >> this has been a treacherous trail, joy, from the very beginning. >> yes, it has, yeah. i don't think anyone disagrees with you. i don't think anyone disagrees with you. congressman, thanks for being here. really appreciate you being here. thank you very much, sir. thank you. all right. well, you heard him.

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today marks seven years on the attack on mother emanuel church in charleston, south carolina, where nine people lost

their lives to a hate-filled gunman who slaughtered them at bible study. just last night in alabama, there was another shooting at a church. three people were killed. we've now had 56 mass shootings since the horrific massacre at robb elementary school in uvalde, texas last month. that's more than two mass shootings per day. there are still many unanswered questions about the police response in uvalde. late today the "new york times" report that had an uvalde police officer armed with an ar-15 style rifle actually had a chance to shoot the gunman before he entered the school but chose not to take the shot out of fear for hitting a student. that is according to what the officer told a senior sheriff's deputy. this afternoon after initially refusing to cooperate, the uvalde police department has agreed to testify before a house committee tasked with investigating the police response, according to texas officials. meanwhile instead of setting the record straight about what happened, multiple other agencies are pushing the uvalde county district attorney to prevent records of the deadly shooting from being released for

months or even longer and they are trying to use a loophole in the law to do it. joining me is texas state senator gutierrez and lexi churchill, research reporter for "propublica. thanks to you both for being here. i want to start with you, senator gutierrez. we've had the uvalde county district attorney and her name is christina michael busaby saying she won't release anything to the public keeping it very private until the texas rangers and fbi complete their investigations. she talking six months at the earliest which means after the election. do you kneel there's been essentially a cover-up, a standoff or are people stonewalling in your view? >> well, joy, up until june 2nd we were getting pretty regular information from dps, the department of public safety, and then at that point my last text

with the dps director that he about been ordered not to speak. she's overseeing an abc i fill ate and it's been back and forth. last sunday she wasn't on in the local uvalde paper to describe her investigation, so it's -- suggesting that it was going to take six month. there's certainly lots of confusion, but lot of obfuscation. lots of lying. lot of half truths. go ahead. >> go ahead. no, you go ahead. >> she told the station she was protecting families yesterday. you know, the fact is i've talked to 17 families that want to know the truth. they want to know the truth. >> what do you make, senator, of this new news that there was an officer who had an ar-15, the kind of firepower that the gunman had and didn't take the shot. my producer told me this. it's legal to care an ar-15 in

texas. i'm wondering how would you know who to shoot because it's legal to open care? >> that's right. exactly, and that's one of the things that i said last year when these guys passed open carry. unfortunately the last thing i said because of this bill kids are going to die. i never thought that that i would realize in my own community. there's a lot of malfeasance going on here and, unfortunately it's the law enforcement in the district attorney's office and we need to get to the bottom of it. >> indeed. >> miss churchill, well to the show. "the texas tribune" and "propublica" have sent several records questions. have you gotten any of the things, has your outlet or "propublic ark" to your knowledge gotten any of the information that you've requested? >> not so far, joy. the only records to my knowledge that's been released was earlier this week by governor greg abbott who released his written notes that he had taken before that initial press conference

that he later mentioned as proof that he was misled and the records do seem to show that he received information that an officer had initially engaged with the shooter from earlier on in the shooting that happened, so that has been the only record that's been released to my knowledge, but i think it's notable that as you've said we've submitted almost 70 requests. two of them have also been to the governor's office for e-mails and communications from that week, and he's fighting that request though he did release the record to another station that requested them, and we've gotten them at well, but i think it just shows the discretion that the state public information act really allows these agencies. >> it does seem that what the governor released was meant to exonerate him for doing that press conference when he was festooned with police officers and praised them. he released the stuff saying that wasn't my fault. it doesn't seem that he's releasing things that would really help.

the texas house speaker has tweeted this, that they are using something called the dead suspect loophole, and this is what the texas house speaker tweeted. more than anything the families of uvalde victims need honest answer and transparency. it is absolutely unconshobl to thwart the information that's so badly needed and deserved right now. under that dead suspect loophole, senator, law enforcement records that deal with investigation that doesn't result in a conviction doesn't have to be made public because the suspect is dead. is that what's being used to keep the families from knowing what happened? >> yes. unfortunately i suppose that that's what the district attorney is alluding to. unfortunately, every time that the reporter tries to get any information from her she runs away, and so far as the speaker of the house is concerned, you know, he's -- he can go off and have open meetings. he doesn't have to have these cloiterred behind-the-scenes meetings done in executive session. they could do that if they so

chose. unfortunately, we're in this space where neither the speaker of the house or the lieutenant governor are going to let us give any information that the public has a right to know. >> and miss churchill, i've also just heard anecdotal reports and reports from people like yourself who have been on television that the families are not necessarily accessible to journalists even if they want to be. is that true? has there been any attempt to sort of keep families from talk, the families of the victims? >> i can't speak to that as much directly, but i know there's been reporting that police officers and various other people were keeping reporters away from funerals in the few weeks since the shooting has happened. >> do you get a sense that just somebody as a journalist who is trying to report on happened, that you've gotten enough information to be able to accurately report on what happened inside that school? >> definitely not, joy. i mean, there's been so little as the senator mentioned, so little from public officials

since that initial week, and so much of that was contradictory and has since been correct or, you know, side stepped at this point that we were really hoping to get some of these records that aren't filtered through public officials and, you know, showing us the public perspective that they want us to see. it's just the raw information that we are hoping to get some clear answers from that we're not getting now. i do want to note, you mentioned many so of the questions that we had put in earlier as far as some traditional things like 911 calls and incident reports, but we've also had pushback from other requests that are really typically records that we would have access to usually. one of my colleagues on the ground wasn't allowed to view campaign finance reports which is a really typically available type of record, so we're really seeing a lot of sweeping pushback as far as public records go at least. >> well, we're going to stay on this story, and i thank you,

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sunday commemorates jooept, recognizing the emancipation of black americans. it's been 38 years since john congersman introduced hr-40 now sponsored by sheilla jackson lee. every coming has failed to pass it. call year hr-40 got further than ever passing the house judiciary committee but it remains stalled. while congress languishes on address the wrongs inflicted on generations of black americans, cities and states are taking action. last year evanston, illinois became the first city to issue slavery reparations, a $10 million project funded with revenue from recreational marijuana sales. the new documentary pig bay pac followed the fight for the reparations and congressman sheila jackson lea's fight to

pass hr-40. >> we were so excited when we saw the legislation. we've used it in preparations that we've made. >> wow. >> i use your out standing cop struct. you've been a real hero to me, shero to me. >> being a member of the national league of city, we learn that governments start locally and the thought is why not do what we can do at a local level while hr-40 is working through its process, through your leadership. we could have layers of repair and layers of remedy because as we know the damages, yes, were rooted in slavery but, you know, it look like discrimination each today because of the color of our dark skin. >> last week i joined simmons and congresswoman jackson lee along with co-directors actress eric alexander and filmmaker whitney dowd for the premiere of "the big payback" at the tribeca and my husband jason and i are among the co-executive producers

and i'm joined by the stars of "the big payback and as well the founder of first repair. i have to start with you, my friend, eric alexander. talk about the genesis of this film. >> yes, thank you so much for having us on. "the big payback genesis" is it's a documentary about reparations. directed by me and a white malle co-conspirator and clan nator whitney dowd, and it's following the historic stories of alderman robin simmons and congresswoman sheila jackson lee. we started this at the initial hearings in 2019, and then we heard about what are robin simmons did and totally pistd on got there and started filming her where we witnessed her beginning to implement the ground breaking bill in evanston as the tax reparations bill in america. that's what we did, and we've been following congresswoman lee

leading the 30-year fight to pass the national study in congress. >> and whitney i know you from the whiteness project. that's how we met. used to speak to my classes when i used to teach at syracuse. why did you t wte filmmaker like yourself to be involved in a project that was about reparations? why should white audiences care about in? >> well, we created the situation. it's our job to solve, it right? i mean, we created slavery. we created the structural racism that disenfranchised black americans for generations, and i really feel like -- i hope that when audiences watch this film, they see a place for them in the story and that they need, to you know, step up to the plate and participate in the repair. >> absolutely. robin, you know, we get to know you and your daughter and your family through this film. talk about the fight because it was a fight to try to not only get the reparations project in place, but also to have the recipients in the community of

evanston accept it as reparations. talk a little bit about that. >> absolutely. so there was really no pushback in our city on passing reparations and beginning the process, but as we get into identifying and prioritizing the harm, there comes the challenge because there's a such great harm. and to choose one and move forward with that, as you will see in the documentary, is challenging. and so there is really no right or wrong. all of it is needed. and municipalities, we have -- capacity, more of a specific harm and the repair will need to be indirect correlation to the harm. so, in evanston, we started with housing, because our harm is specifically in anti black zoning laws and practices. >> robin, i want to talk about how it goes from here. the fight for h.r.40 is still going on. i know you do this work full-time. there's a headline here -- there's a coalition called, why

we can't wait. it's urging the president to use executive authority to start a reparations study. it's a coalition -- it's a human rights and racial justice coalition that sent this letter to biden, asking him to issue this executive order to train a commission to study reparations nationally. just from having gone through this fight, what do you think it will take to move the fight forward, to move each are 40 out of committee and into passage? out of>> we stand in solidarityh that group. many of us have the same expectations of president biden at this point. we need to take action. they are now over 100 localities that have some sort of local reparations initiative. and congress and our president should be hearing from these cities and states, all across this nation, that are calling for reparations. we are standing hopeful that he will do the right thing and signed by executive order. but we see the challenges, how this nation is regressing, the voting rights issues and

critical race theory and so on. and it would be the statement that we need to hear from our president and this administration, to pass hr 40, that it is not just a ceremonial commitment to black lives. but it is an actual commitment to black lives and redress with passing reparations. >> and i want to note that california has a task force suggesting reparations in a report. lasting harms of slavery -- the first state to adopt a law -- the first statewide law to study reparations proposal, [inaudible] reparations task force, it's a 500-page interim report detailing harm. so, there is movement on this issue. erica, the other thing that happens in this film is that we really get to know representative sheila jackson lee. i knew as a guest as we've had her on the show, but i really got to know her in the film. what is the importance of her place in history? >> she is carrying on where john conyers left off. she's part of a very long line of people who have been in the

fight since we had we construction and it failed. so, you are talking about people like cali house and mother more, and john foreman. we've had a lot of people doing this work and now we have a new group of people, and several people that are not only continuing that fight but continuing to stimulate on the outside and get that going. she needs our help on the outside and that's what they are doing. >> absolutely. i know there's a free screening at the apollo theater on sunday, i think at five. so, people should come out and check it out. there's some ice cream involved, if you go. it's going to be good. >> that's right! ben & jerry's, one of our partners. yes. >> absolutely. >> and they can go to color -- media dot come. we'll see you on june -- >> all, right vest ice cream, ever erika, whitney dow and robin rue simmons, thank you so much. appreciate you all. coming up, a special edition,

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weekend. that means you won the week. but also, because on actual juneteenth, this sunday, june 19th, the first of four special streamed up by my msnbc baby sister baby cross tiffany cross and me called the cultures black women premiers on msnbc. roll the clip! >> these amazing women sitting across this table, i know everybody has earned the right to be here. beautifully placed at this table, and still, somebody can come in here and question our place at this table. so, with that, i would like to bring in maria taylor to the conversation. [laughs] because, young sister, we know you earn your place, despite what others may say. i'm just curious, you have been in the line of fire, and we didn't know you. but we knew you. we knew your story. you were our sister immediately. so how have you managed being in that line of fire and handling it with such grace and success? >> the thing that keeps coming to my mind is, i just wish there was a world in which

everything that a black woman did some really wasn't coming to dim that light, or blow that out. i wish you are someone fanning our flames. >> now, in addition to that tee and my old hairstyle, the special also includes nikole hannah-jones, congresswoman ayanna pressley, comedian robin beady and the vice president kamala harris. join me and tiffany cross for the culture is black women, sunday night at 10 pm eastern, right here on msnbc and streaming on peacock. and that's it! that is tonight's the reidout, happy juneteenth, weekend all in with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on all in -- >> hang mike pence, hang mike pence! >> the proud boys would have killed mike pence if given a chance. >> how close the dangerous mob got to the vice president on january the 6th thanks to the president himself. will donald trump face any criminal charges for inciting the mob?