to get it done but it's also just like, i have to go to albuquerque to get this done. instead of just like making the viking appointment and having a two-minute procedure and being in and out in five minutes. and then going home. no, it's not that. it's a whole almost 24-hour process. it's crazy. >> because you have done this before, this is your second? abortion >> right. >> and this time you had to get on a plane, and travel across the state lines to get an abortion. >> right. >> a whole day? >> a whole day, taken away for something that is literally down the street. but no, people decided that they wanted to make decisions for people that you are literally not the same gender, but okay. whatever, you know it is best for us. >> and we are going to have much more on this in the coming week as we await the decision from the supreme court. that wraps it up for me, i am

yasmin vossoughian. i'll be back later with a report on the january six. hearings simone sanders starts. now >> greetings, you are watching simone. one of the most conservative judicial minds in america, tell us the january six committee, donald trump and his allies are still a clear and present danger to our democracy. that is happening right in front arise. plus, i have been saying, and republicans go low, it is time to go toe to toe. so i am asking, why aren't democrats changing from the we've tops about ginni thomas and her alleged emails to trump attorney john eastman? you know, at the architect of the attempted coup. and, law versus protocol, i am very struck by how much the government functions on protocols that are not rules of law. so, we are going to dig into the difference today, and how this was on full display on january 6th. i am simone sanders, and i have something to say. e sanders, and i hav something to say

all right i need you ought to listen. that the january six committee held its third hearing on thursday, and i focus on the pressure campaign against than by president mike pence to reject certified electoral votes in swing states donald trump lost. now this was latched ditch game to subvert the will be american people, and get donald trump another four years as president. thankfully, mike pence did not go along with this plan. much to the chagrin of the former president and the mob, which was stoked by president trump's tweets. >> hang mike pence. hang mike pence. hang mike pence. >> mike pence chose to fulfill his constitutional duty on january 6th. but that has got to make him a hero. well according to far too many people, it does. since that fateful day, pence's

decision to avoid a constitutional crisis, has been hailed as brave and heroic, with some even suggesting president biden adorn him with the presidential medal of freedom. now let me be very clear, as clear as i can be, we cannot call mike pence a hero for counting certified electoral votes. why? because if we start lauding peoples heroes for doing what our constitution requires of them, it lowers the standard for what we should expect of them. frankly, mike pence could and should be doing more. and it is not just me saying this, here is what his former aide olivia troye said earlier on msnbc. >> to be honest, i have been wanting my former boss to come forward and speak publicly about this and address it. but i think you can't be half in and half out of the maga movement. and i think he is trying to balance both sides of the equation, because he is looking at a 2024 presidential run. i think the better thing for the country would be to hear

from mike pence directly, and maybe that would also impact this movement that continues to live on, based on the lies of the stolen election. >> and, if you think the january six was a one-off, that we will never ever faced this crisis again, i want you to listen to what retired conservative judge michael luttig told committee members this week. we >> donald trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present day danger to american democracy. they would attempt to overturn that 2024 election in the same way that they attempted to overturn the 2020 election.

>> i want to bring in now, democratic representative, barbara lee of california. welcome, congresswoman. i know that you are galveston texas today, so happy juneteenth to you. but i do want to start by getting your thoughts on the hearing this past thursday. and specifically, i would like you to weigh in on the details of this pressure campaign, on mike pence. >> first of all, you certainly have a lot to say, and this is the first time i've had the chance to be with you and i want to congratulate you on your show. and i tell you, it is remarkable what the truth can be bringing, and when he's we brought forth towards tell the. truth yes the pressure campaign on mike pence just shows us a threat there is to our democracy. there are many, and i mean many in our country who really supported that violent, and it was a violent attempt to overturn the government of the

united states of america. they came this close to it. and so, we have to be very clear, and i am so pleased that the committee is getting the truth out, because that pressure campaign hasn't stopped. that pressure campaign is now being manifested through elections of people who except the big lie, who are trying to change the system of government which we have in terms of democracy. and so this is not over. i was sitting there on the floor, on january 6th. i know it took place that day, and i know good and well that we almost lost our democracy. and so this pressure campaign is continuing, and i agree with what you said earlier. vice president, then vice president pence, he just did the right thing upholding our democracy. that is what we are supposed to do, isn't? and that is the patriotic thing to do. >> so how much praise then, congresswoman, do you think mike pence is really do here? will >> i think he has to, i thank you for upholding our

democracy, he did the right thing. we know you could have gone the other way and supported the big lie. but i think that when you look at what is taking place in america, we don't need people to believe that people who stand up for democracy are heroes. people who are trying to just maintain with the peaceful transfer of power, they are not heroes doing that. that is what they should do. >> that is what they should do. i want to move, congresswoman while i have you, to talk about a woman's ability to make decisions about her own body. because as you know very well, that rate is still in jeopardy. the supreme court is expected to overturn roe v. wade any day now at this point. and, last year you bravely testified to the house oversight committee, about your own abortion when you are 16 years old. and i want to play that for folks right now. >> i had just turned 16, and i

was one of the lucky ones, madam chair. a lot of girls and women in my generation, didn't make it. they died from unsafe abortions. in the 1960s, unsafe septic abortions with the primary killer, primary killer, of african american women. my personal experience to fight for peoples reproductive freedom when i was elected to the california legislature one of the first pills i authored, and was signed into law was to enhance penalties on people who were blocking access to abortion clinics for those seeking care. >> when julius was only one and a congresswoman, what is really at stake half years old, he spent two in this upcoming weeks in the hospital, suffering from an asthma supreme court ruling, attack. especially for black women and women of color across this the first of many. >> i used to be so sick. country? >> so i would spend a lot of time what is at in the hospital. stake, simone, >> though he's healthy now, is freedom. our one thing that always stuck reproductive freedom with him was getting jabbed to control our own bodies, bodily autonomy is very, it is central to our health care. and in fact, when you look at

what is taking place now throughout the country with the states just taking away personal liberties of people, it is outrageous. and so it is really another effort to erode our democracy. a person's right to make their own decision about with the d with their body, that is their personal private decision. it should not be the decision of a politician, or judge, or anyone else. when i went through what i went through having an abortion, this is the decision between my mother and myself. and she told me, and we, i knew that it was nobody else this decision. it was private, that's why i never talked about, it simone. because it is a personal decision. so now, we have these rights that are constitutional rights that are very much at stake. and so i say, black women, and women of color of course are going to be impacted in equitably behind this.

because so many of us live in red states, first of all, so many of us don't have the money to travel to states that are going to uphold abortion access, and we would have to pay for childcare, low wage workers, so we are going to have to fight weight we have never fall before politically, alexei reps and state houses that are going to protect access to abortions. but also, we are going to have to make sure that we support clinics, and raise money for black and brown women and low income women, who will have to travel. because this is a matter of life and death. and finally simone, let me just say, abortion access is still available. so we can't forget that. until this decision comes down, medication abortion. so we are going to have to move forward politically, but also in a way to help people who need, and decide to have an abortion, and fight to get the women's health protection act passed, which got stuck of course because of you know who. in the senate. and that is something that we have to remember november at the bell. box >> absolutely,

congresswoman barbara lee, thank you very much. now let's buy back olive. this >> thank you, and happy. juneteenth >> happy juneteenth. >> and now we are gonna unpack all of this with our political panel. we'll start the latest hearing. i'm here with former republican congressman david jahree, meredith -- is also. with us she's a senior public correspondent for politico, and role in modeling of the role in martin until traditional shows also. here welcome to you all. a guy want to jump right into it, i want you all to hear the sound from a capitol police officer harry dunn, who defended the capitol on january 6th. >> we to go back a little bit to your point about mike pence doing his job, we signed up for it. we know that there is an opportunity that something bad could happen. we know that there is an opportunity, nobody wants it to happen. so when people say you did your job, on january six that is when we did. so when mike pence is being called a hero, he did his job. >> roland, your thoughts on the

lauding of mike pence as a hero for his actions and generous sex. >> what sort of like chris rock was saying, folks like to kai might take a, you said you're supposed to take care of your. kids so this whole deal of praising mike kid pence for ignoring donald trump, that's your supposed to do do your job. but it is also, remember, he did not call the fbi. when they came with this coup plan, he called dan quayle to get his advice on it. and so mike pence could have actually done more. when we have to understand here, is that if this goes beyond donald trump, simone. this is an entire apparatus. the republican party, from the top to the bottom, that was involved in this the entire conservative movement. talk about lawyers, think tanks, and others. this is what's coups are all about. this is a desperate attempt to hold on to power, and democrats and progressives better stop

being so nice and so academic and realize that these folks are not done. they will continue to try to seize power by any means necessary. >> you know, meredith, roland makes an important point. it's a point that i, made the threat to democracy's ongoing. hear the former president of the united states, donald trump, has not stopped talking about mike pence. pressuring him, talking about him in a negative way. you have some new reporting on this, tell us more. >> well, i just came back this morning from nashville where i was covering the faith in freedom coalition convention there. this is an annual gathering of conservative evangelical christians, who are politically involved and often attract 2024 presidential hopefuls. big headline republican names, and this year former president donald trump was the keynote speaker. and in his speech, he continued to talk about the 2020 election, and he attacked vice president

mike pence, who he said did not have the courage to act that day. and really, some to good portion of his speech there to, what in the past really would have been a sympathetic crowd for pence, he spent it attacking pence and talking about that day. and meanwhile, pence declined an invitation to show their. i think from what you guys were talking about, there are a lot of people who are asking for pence to speak out more. we heard from some of the advisers in the january 6th hearing. but pence is not going to be testifying, and in fact when he has been out and made public appearances, he has really shied away from talking about all of that. he has said that he, in his constitutional duty but for the most part he seems to be really focused on the 2022 midterms and i think, for some people it has been disappointing that he hasn't gone after trump. more >> i mean, i will reserve

my thoughts. you heard my comments at the top of the show. the committee also talked about -- . >> no. gets >> no, gets it is appalling because this was in fact seen attack on our democracy. it wasn't an attack on one political party. the committee this week though, they also revealed and some emails from john eastman and rudy giuliani, and eastman is demanding to be on trump's pardoned list. now congressman, as you know these hearings are not a court of law, but they are definitely a part of the court of public opinion. so i'm wondering if you can weigh in here on how a republican congress person goes about defending donald trump's reliance on the east and overturn the election, when we all know that he didn't even believe what he was telling the american people. >> because much like mike pence, a whole lot of them are guilty. all of them are. they are all willing to go along with this very dangerous person in the leadership of the party, and for four years, leadership of the country, for their own self interest, their own elevation, their own

political advancement. whatever might be. and i think that is the threat here from mike pence to members of congress to today kevin mccarthy, mitch mcconnell, you could argue even paul ryan when he was speaker of the house. which is that they each made this certain fallacy and bargain deal with the devil, if you will. that they were able to such a dangerous leader as long as they got something foreign. and so, and mike pence should not be lauded for simply doing his job. the heroes that day where the men and women wearing the blue uniforms and the law enforcement officers who were trying to protect the modern cradle of democracy. and instead recognize that mike pence knew a dangerous man was in office for four years and did nothing about it. same is true for kevin mccarthy, mitch mcconnell, paul ryan, and a republican member of congress right now. they knew there's dangerous member of congress, a dangerous president in office for four years, and they did nothing about it. that is their very sad and indicting legacy. >> we are going to get into more of this after the break. >> simone, matt >> go-ahead

role, and i've got a little time. let's talk about. it you want to get mike pence in these republicans go ahead. come on. >> no i won't talk about these fake christians. i want to talk about these fake, conservative christians. these fake conservative white christians. i'm here for the poor peoples campaign the moral assembly, and how you -- free faith of freedom coalition you allow a man to lie in front of me, is that aggression principle? is that a principle of jesus? did the poor even come up at that gallery there? this is the fundamental problem that we have in this country, where we have white conservative evangelicals, and look. my wife is an ordained minister, i am a christian. and these folks will except lies, and so they are hypocritical christians, and i am sick and tired of them providing a moral perspective when they will knowingly accept immorality from an immoral leader, like donald trump and the rest of them. they are hypocrites, and they should be called on it, and they are fake christians as far as i'm concerned. >> all right, well you all are

all staying with us, david meredith and roland, because we do need still need to get into the will she won't see. i'm talking about the request for ginni thomas, wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas to testify on her role in a pressure campaign to overturn the 2020 election. so we are going to get real in there, we are gonna get all into it. but first, i want to bring my colleague richard ali, he is here with today's other top news stories. richard, what do you have for >> simone, a very good saturday to you. i want to start some breaking news for you. for the first time nearly 20 million children are eligible for covid vaccines. the cdc director endorsed minutes ago, just after a cdc panel so voted unanimously to recommend pfizer as well as moderna vaccines for young children. this affects kids aged six months to five years old, as of tuesday. the state department confirms it missing photos and videos including those of two u.s. citizens, seeing here. russian forces reportedly captured them in ukraine. russian media shared these

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choose instead to act on the political party. should they would do well to remember that if the tables were turned their opponents would not hesitate to use every argument and every tool at their disposal. with congressman, we if it were republicans who were in the white house right now, if it were a supreme court justice appointed by a republican, and we were talking about a jenny thomas who was the wife of a someone else, wouldn't republicans be all over this? am i crazy? >> oh they absolutely would. and i think democrats on the hill don't even need to consider the political consequences to realize, if we do our job right, the american people are going to learn very damning information about the former president, and republicans. and they can make a political judgment. but i think in terms of going in the november, simone, to pick up on roland's comment, to not lead the republican party steal the platform of faith. the platform of freedom, the platform of love, to perhaps form a parental rights.

because their policies are actually antithetical to all of those things. and in today's democratic party can grab that mantle back from republicans, and say we are the party of freedom, we have the party that believes in all things love, regardless of your faith, now you're talking to the american people exactly how they understand it. and you can beat back on this false profit narrative that is going through today's republican party. >> roland, i referred to this theory as, democrats need to be willing, or just anyone who cares about our democracy needs to be willing to go toe to toe at this point. call it how it is, call balls and strikes and i am wondering if you think that is the path forward for folks in this political discourse right now. >> we forwards, hell, to the yeah. that is exactly what you're supposed to do. we are with people want to see that you actually care, that you are gonna fight for this country, that you're going to fight for them. and what is happening is, democrats are trying to play a

game. when the other side says, there are no rules, the democrats are going, no according to section 18.6, these are the rules engagement. they have already made it clear there are none. and president biden please, for the love of god, stop saying, this is not your grandpa's republican party. guess what, that is gone. you have got to stop harkening back for the republican parties of the 80s in the early 90s, when they're moderate publicans. it is gone. they have to engage in warfare. ginni thomas is sleeping with one of nine supreme court justices. are you trying to actually convince me that clarence thomas somehow has no idea what his wife is doing? i know what my wife is, doing she knows what i'm doing. it is utterly ludicrous. and meredith, i heard your point about how they want to show how people around trump are trying to show it he was doing, no. this is bigger than him.

this has now gone past donald trump. this thing is now infected, affected, it is gonna have a massive effect on the elections. because state, local, districts, this is much deeper. and democrats are getting the. saying >> well i would just say, david, charlie, we could have this conversation all day. i will say that we are gonna get into the act of that's going on later on in the show. so people should stick around. and unfortunately, donald trump is still a threat to our democracy. i do not like talking about him as much as anybody else, but that is ongoing. thank you so much free time, folks. next up, how by shooting habits, what are they doing to try to make ends meet y'all? the toll inflation is taking, it is getting worse, and we want to lay out what to expect in the coming months. stay with us. o expect in the coming months stay with us stay with us i grow all my own vegetables shingles doesn't care. we've still got the best moves you've ever seen good for you, but shingles doesn't care. because 1 in 3 people will get shingles, you need protection.

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many people are being way too much to keep their households afloat. this week, federal reserve chairman jerome powell said, those prices are gonna go away soon. but he is working on. it >> the worst mistake we could make would be to fail, which it is not an option. we have to restore price stability, we really do. because it is the bedrock of the economy. if you don't have priced ability, the economy is really not going to work the way it is supposed to. it won't work for people, their wages will be eaten up. >> nbc's jesse curses at a grocery store outside of cleveland, in lyndhurst a high. oh jesse, what are you hearing from folks out there? >> well, symone this is the place where multiple come inflationary pressures can verge. we are in a parking lot outside or grocery store so that is reminding people up to get her to do the shopping. course people are being directed at the high prices at the pump right now, as well. and so people are already coming here within the back of their mind the fact that, it cost them a little bit more, or maybe a lot more to get here than it would have in the past.

and also of course, it cost more to get the goods here. so the players are facing pressures, as well. and so that is causing people to change their habits. we have heard from a guest we're here today, as well as folks who run the giant eagle supermarket chain here, in the cleveland area and throughout this region. and the reality is, the people are moving away from those name brands. so people might have for years about the same kind of soda, or cereal, or catch-up, or the paper kind of ice cream. they might be looking to the generic brands. something that is going to be cheaper, to save money. the grocery chain tells us that people have been moving away from things like seafood, things like beef, here is more of what john eagle told us about what they are seeing from their consumers. >> consumers are having to decide whether they can afford to make a trip to the grocery store in general. and that, that change has been the most drastic over just the last month or. two people are moving out of buying seafood, and either going down into much more affordable categories, or for

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the white house, i want many people don't know is that much of what happens in the white house, specifically much of the staff conduct, is actually based on accepted practices rather than actual law. and that made a difference when it came to the events surrounding january 6th. and here is why. greg jacob, the chief counsel for gun vice president mike pence, testified thursday for the january six committee about how the then vice president ended up rejecting a theory push by donald trump and his attorney john eastman, all that overturning the 2020 election. now jacobs cited the 12 minute we see some part, quote, the president of the senate, the vice president, shall in the presidents of the senate in the house of representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shelled and be counted.

the person have the greatest number of votes for president shall be the president. here's what jacob told the committee about dismissing wet trump and eastman were trying to get vice president pence to do. >> we examined every single electoral vote counts that had happened in congress since the beginning of the country. we examine to the electoral count act, we examined practice under the electoral count act. and critically, no vice president in 230 years of history had ever claimed to have that kind of authority, hadn't claimed authority to reject electoral votes, had not claimed authority to return electoral votes back to the states. >> jacobs gave good advice, but then vice president pence was not required by law to seek jacobs council, and jacob wasn't required to disprove the eastman theory. and that, folks, it's the thin line between the success and the failure of a takeover of the government.

so here to unpack all of this is presidential historian douglas brinkley. he is a professor of history at rice university, and coauthor of the nixon tapes, 1971 tonight is 72. and frankly, doug brinkley as who i call and i have questions about what's has been going on and the historical account of it. so, let's talk about it now, douglas. obviously i have been a white house staffer so i know a number of the things that are done there are based on protocol in the actual law. but can you explain how much of what happens in the white house is, break that down for people. how much of it is a accepted norm versus rule of law? >> it is both. and you know, last evening donald trump spoke with the evangelical group, and he accused of many things, but he accused mike pence of being a human conveyor belt. he called him a robot. when mike pence was simply doing was following the law and portable. you can't invent powers of a vice president that don't

exist. so mike pence was just -- stay out of jail and be on the right side of history. which alas, he was. but richard nixon, simone used to say that, if the president does it or says it, it is not illegal. and that kind of hubris scott nixon in deep trouble. he had to flee the white house, as we know. and go back to san clemente and shame. and, donald trump believes that to. it is the mindset of a mafioso. it is the mindset of a dictator, but thankfully in our country, we do free and fair elections. >> yes. so, douglas, i'm wondering if you can really break down then, how does actual history matchup with john eastman's claims that they were both legal authority and historical precedent who having a slate of alternative trump electors, if you will for key battleground states in the 2020 election? like, make it make sense.

>> well it didn't. you know, we went into each state and counted the votes. they have been counted and recounted, and if donald trump wanted recourse, which he did, he could deal with a loss of individual states. it just simply turned out, what trump was shopping was just, it was sedition thinking that i am not going to lose power. the bottom line was, trump basically wanted a coup. and then said, now finding a legal theory to equal the coup. and mike pence, at one key moment talk to down quayle, the former vice president from his home state of indiana. and quayle, ostensibly told pence, are you out of your breaking mind? what trump is suggesting is what we don't do in the united states. so i think all americans right now have to recognize that donald trump, and the interaction for what it was. an attempted coup in the united

states, never been tried before in american history by sitting president. mike pence, simply did the right thing. and he should have spoken out a month earlier, as you said simone at the beginning of the program. i don't think mike pence is a hero. i simply think when push came to shove, he did the right obvious thing to do. and in doing so, is perhaps avoid being imprisoned. >> well, we still need to hear from mike pence directly. i definitely want to, before you go i want to ask you about watergate. because the infamous watergate burglary happened 50 years ago, while richard nixon was president. and i wonder if you could compare inactions act of undermining the power and authority of our democracy, versus trump's alleged act of sedition. and i need to say alleged, but i think the receipts are. there >> will look, nixon to give him a bit of credit, when push came to shove and when

republicans in his own party turned against him when the supreme court said that he does not own the tapes, which are smoking gun of sorts. nixon put the country first. i wouldn't of thought that 20 years ago, but i didn't envision donald trump. but it in retrospect, at least nixon had the decency to recognize that he broke the law. he didn't pardon or try to pardon this massive group of people around him. so john earl min, and haldeman, and -- they went to prison. jonnel trump yesterday's talk about a blanket pardon to anybody dealing with the january 6th insurrection. so nixon is part of the family of presidents, somebody who abused power, paid a high price for. it donald trump is somebody not in the american tradition of the presidency, but one of a mafioso leaders, and of a global dictators. and so it has been, it is sad to watch this hearing and realize the trump's, has put

our country in such close peril and has shamed our democratic tradition in such a way. >> douglas brinkley, thank you so much my friend for joining us today. and just shedding some light on this for the american people, appreciate you. >> i am so proud of you for having the show, i watch and i adore you, keep going. >> thank you. next folks, our democracy keeps being tested. the latest test is in new mexico, where there is a stand of over certifying primary election results. we are gonna tell you what happened, and what, like we said earlier, books all across the country including democrats can learn from how it got screened out. how it go screened out screened out what drives you? what do you want to leave behind? what do you want to give back? what do you want to be remembered for? that's your why. it's your purpose, and we will work with you every step of the way to achieve it. at pnc private bank, we'll help you take care of the how.

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trespassing at the capitol during the january 6th insurrection. he is also a founder of the group cowboys returned. here with more to break it all down, and talk about real implications, is the new mexico speaker of the house, state representative brian e. golf. mister speaker, the playbook sounds so similar. more issues with voting machines let's just be very clear, whether any signs of fraud? >> absolutely not. and it is a pleasure to be with you, symone, and we appreciate the attention your pain to new mexico. you are right, these are warning signs for the entire country what is happening here. there was no evidence of any impropriety, no mismatched numbers. the election is run perfectly, as a republican county clerk you know tara county explained the commissioners. and exacting detail. unfortunately the commissioners were odar trying to

convince people and voters that there is a problem with our elections. and i'm glad that they were ordered by the supreme court to do the right thing and certify the election. the primary election. it almost happened in two other counties in new mexico, lincoln and torrents. and it is a playbook that the far-right, the extremists, are testing at our primary elections and, thankfully we have got a great democrat secretary of state, maggie tillis oliver who immediately went to court and said it straight. she did the right thing and hopefully that will be an example for other secretaries of state and democrats around the country. >> so mister speaker, did you ever think that something like this would happen in your state were you shocked? >> it is shocking. who griffin the commissioner there is a notorious person in our state. nothing that he does surprises

us. it seems his ability to find new ways to outrage and embarrass himself, average people and embarrass himself has really no limit. the other two commissioners, i was surprised. a state rep's deputy county commissioner in -- county. she described the commissioners there as wanting to follow the rule of law, as levelheaded people. in new mexico we pride ourselves on running high quality, open, fair elections. we have done a lot of work on that in the legislature as other states rollback the vote, we try to expand. it and the county clerk as i said need the right thing. and it is sad to see this happening here. i can't believe it is newsworthy when that county commission votes to certify elections. it shouldn't. be >> yeah, it is shocking. and in this particular case then new mexico supreme court is when the weight and then ordered the results to be certified. and i would love to believe that when it comes to the issue of our democracy and free and

fair elections, that every court will always come down on the side of what we know to be true. but one of the state supreme court had done the opposite, here, mister speaker? that is the question that has really been vaccine about this whole thing. >> well, you know you pointed out an earlier segment that a lot of what happens is done by norman tradition. there is no law that allows commissioners to be removed and replaced if they don't certify. if the supreme court had decided not to order this action certification to take place, we would have been in very much uncharted territory. there are mechanisms for removing commissioners from office, but it takes a long time and there's a lot of process. they can be charged criminally, they could've been removed but only after conviction. so the mechanisms that we hadn't come play still really address this, because frankly no one ever expected that this kind of behavior whatever

occur. we are in legally uncharted waters. if the courts don't step in to do the right thing. >> mister speaker, mexico new mexico state representative brian e. golf, thank you so much for coming on in just really shedding some light on this. appreciate your time today. >> thanks, and i want to echo mr. brinkley. love the show, keep it up, and very happy to speak with you this afternoon. >> thank you so much. we are going to be right back, after this breakch we are going to be right back, we are going to be right back, after this break the eat fresh® refresh just won't stop! now, subway® is refreshing their catering. we're talking platters fit for any event, like throwing yourself an over-the-top party. who would do such a thing? yeah, i wonder. subway keeps refreshing and refreshing and re- you're pretty particular about keeping a healthy body. what goes on it. usually. and in it. mostly. here to meet those high standards is the walgreens health and wellness brand.

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symone the saturday. i am symone sanders. please make sure you turn to the show tomorrow at 4 pm eastern, i'll be walking talking to d.c. mayor burial browser about the january 6th hearings on the insurrection. and, leading a city through a pandemic. and later in the hour, we will have powerhouse again duo chloe and hallie bailey, they will be with us. i can't. wait but right now, i want to hand things over to my good friend rev sharpton. hey. rev >> hate simone, happy juneteenth weekend to you. and good evening and welcome to politics nation. on this juneteenth weekend. tonight's lead, conflict of interest. got