i mean, i've done different things. >> you're living life to the fullest now. >> absolutely. >> that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm natalie morales. thank you for watching. thank you for watching hey, everyone. we heard a lot about vice president mike pence in this january 6th hearing, that he's a hero, for example. but, if that's true, shouldn't we hear it from him to? plus, the right really wants democrats in the media to talk about inflation, so much so, that they missed the fact that, well, they are talking about it. a lot. and the british government just cleared the way for -- to the united states. i'm gonna speak with his brother later on in the program. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started.

♪ ♪ ♪ good to be with you. i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york. thursday's hearings of the january six committee was basically the mike pence show, revolve around the pressure campaign by donald trump's allies to get the vice president to use his constitutional, ceremonial role, on january the 6th, to change joe biden's electoral votes, or set them aside for donald trump. the panel may know -- about painting pence as a man of courage, who stood up against trump's plan. >> we are fortunate for mr. pence's courage on january 6th. our democracy came dangerously close to catastrophe. that courage put him in tremendous danger. when mike pence made it clear that he wouldn't give into donald trump's scheme, donald trump turned a mob on him. thanks in part to mike pence, our democracy was stood on

trump's scheme and the balance of january 6th. >> all right. the committee wasn't alone. in fact, an article in the atlantic last week hailed pence as a national hero for turning back the threat to american democracy. the country should be thankful that mike pence did his job and told the president know, in the end. but, if mike pence is a hero, shouldn't he have shown up at the mike pence show on capitol hill yesterday? or perhaps, a more pertinent question, why isn't the january 6th -- extended any kind of invitation for mike pence to speak with them? instead, on thursday, we heard from a former pence lawyer -- federal judge. both said that they advise mike pence that the plan for him to mess up or mess around with the electors laid out by trump's lawyer, john eastman, was illegal and it will get laughed out of the courts, and it would risk an unprecedented

constitutional crisis, even eastman himself was told he was risking political violence in this country. >> i said, you're completely crazy. you're gonna turn around and tell 78 plus million people, in this country, that this is how you're going to invalidate their doubts, because you think election was stolen? i said, they're not going to tolerate that. you're going to cause rise in the streets. >> you would've had just an unprecedented, constitutional jump ball situation with that standoff. as i expressed to him, that issue might well have been decided in the streets. >> we also saw a never before released photos of mike pence literally hunker down, protected from the rioters, reading trump's january six tweets, saying that mike pence did not have the courage to do would have to be done. we never saw mike pence come to

the panel and tell them and, quite frankly, all of us, the american people, everything he saw, everything he felt, everything he thought about that day, while he was in the middle of that attack. instead, in fact, the opposite, he's been going on -- to downplay the committee's work. >> i know the media wants to distract from the biden administration's failed agenda by focusing on one day in january. >> one day in january. a day when crowds were chanting, hang mike pence! crowds at, according to the committee, came within 40 feet of the vice president. hey, but to mike pence, that's just one day in january. let's not forget, mike pence didn't do much to speak out about trump's election lies while he was saying -- no, he didn't. as a missing piece -- points out, pence never stopped trump's false warnings about mail-in ballots, or rigged election before election day.

he didn't correct trump when he prematurely declared victory on election night. pence was fine, potentially, disenfranchising voters infill core challenges. he was complicit in trump laying the groundwork for the big lie, only when he was faced with a task that fell outside of the rules that he had accepted is valid and would result in personal consequences, if he broke them, did he finally refuse trump. so, yes, pence did the right thing, but constitution -- which, by the way, he swore an oath to do. but doing the very basic requirement of your job, on a single day, after standing by, as your boss, perpetuated lies that threat and our democracy, weeks upon weeks, does not make you hero. joining me now, msnbc contributor melissa murray. law prefers -- also here, joan walsh, national

-- and rick wilson, cofounder of the lincoln project. it's great to have all of three of you with us. recall, start with you. we see folks on the left in the right, for the last couple of weeks praising mike pence as a hero for defying donald trump on january six. you've seen my take, you heard my take, what's your view on mike pence and the way history should judge him? >> i'm glad mike pence did the right thing on that moment. i'm glad he was there at the moment, and had a single second of moral clarity and decided to not play along with a criminal conspiracy of overthrowing democracy. that said, if mike pence is the most obvious ambition driven politician our world, he somehow thinks he will be able to capture the trump magic, if trump isn't in the picture anymore. mike is never going to be president. it is never, ever going to happen with the maga base. they will never forgive him. he should understand this and speak out. he should tell the truth now. mike, it's a hard journey away

from the darkness, but you've taken the first step. you ought to continue that journey. i don't know if you will, i don't think he will, but he damn sure ought to. >> what you're suggesting is he's the -- where he's saying, i still have a shot of this job and because i have a shot of this job, let me hedge my bets. if this was a guy who understood his moral place in history, he would say, this guy is bad for our country, and i'm gonna tell you how it was and why he was bad for us. >> that's correct. the testimony of his aides yesterday, and the attorneys around him, shows, very clearly, that he understood that they were engaged in the oval office in an act that was profoundly unconstitutional, borrowing, if -- and clearly would lead to chaos in violence in this country. who understood all that going in. he knew it was going to happen that day, to some degree, he did understand -- they would target him, once trump tweeted about it. he understood without was going

and he should realize, as a party to that for four years, he had a moment there where he could've broken away from this. he still could by telling the truth now, by raising himself up above the penny horde of wannabe trump's and speaking the truth about what happened on january 6th. >> john, we also heard this testimony on thursday about this wild phone call that happened on january forth between trump and pence. watch this. >> so then you said, at some, point there's a telephone conversation between president and vice president. is that correct? >> yes. >> that became heated. >> what did you hear? >> as i was dropping off the note, i remember hearing the word wimp. he called him a wimp. i don't remember if he said you are a wimp, or don't be a wimp. but wimp is the word i remember. >> do you remember what's -- called him? >> the p-word. >> he's a wimp, he's a p-word.

i'm not sure what's wilder hear, that he went along with it, and since that day has not come out and given his version of his account of the american public about the abuse he endured from his boss, or that donald trump thought that he could abuse his vice president to get what he wanted. what is more troubling in the scenario? >> well, i do think it's that he took that kind of abuse and we don't know how much he took over the four years, but we know in that last week, he took a lot of it. trump even said he wouldn't be his friend anymore, he was disappointed. he such a child. but, i think ric is right. he's delusional. he thinks -- he's planning to run. he was in cincinnati yesterday making his speech where he diffuse to talk about what was going on in washington, and refuses to talk about january 6th. as you showed in that clip, it's just one day, and that's with the democrats want to talk

about. rather than the profound constitutional crisis, perhaps, involving illegality that he was a witness to. i guess he allowed his staffers to tell the truth, belatedly, let's remember, they're all doing this belatedly, nobody blew the whistle in realtime. but, he's not gonna do himself, because he's trying to have it both ways and he can't. i hope he's watching and he listens to rick and understands, keep walking, you can leave the darkside. but i don't think he will. >> yes, something tells me if it has an appetite, now it may never happen before the next election. melissa, i'm curious to get your thoughts on the legality of what we saw play out on thursday. we saw these pictures of my pence looking at trump's tweet, we heard testimony that trump knew about the violence happening when he said that tweet and that he never checked on mike pence's safety. i think folks are raising the question about, we understand there is total negligence, but could there be any legal

negligence and this is well? >> it's not necessarily clear that the president of the united states has any kind of legal obligation to secure the security or safety of a sitting vice president. however, if there could be kind of -- establishing that donald trump wanted the mob to come out after mike pence that he incited the mob to go after mike pence for the purpose of doing harm to him, then, perhaps them would be illegal activity. again, that's a very hard bar to clear when it really comes down to is, this is a guy, a president who really didn't care about his vice president once he no longer serve the purpose that he wanted him for. this question of whether mike pence is a hero seems to be oh willful amnesia of the four years that preceded it, when mike pence worked hand in glove with donald trump to separate families at the border, to cage children, to stack the federal bench with conservative

ideologies. mike pence is complicit in everything that happened for the past four years, and some of us will never forget it, regardless of what he did on january 6th. >> let me play for you guys what mike pence said. he spoke earlier this year saying that he talks with donald trump -- he spoken to him since this insurrection. here's how he described the conversation earlier this year. watch. th>> president trump have spoken many times since we left office. i don't know if we'll ever see eye to eye on that day. >> rick, if you have a really strong opinion on whether the yankees or the red sox, for example, can extend their home winning streak, maybe we wouldn't see eye to eye on that, that's something we could talk about. but, if you almost got me killed by a mob of your supporters, i feel like i would describe that is more than a difference of opinion. what is mike pence literally thinking here, when he looks back and says, i spoke to the guy who was inciting a mob to hang me because i didn't want

to do what he wanted me to do? >> it goes to show you that trump's p-word for him was not patriot. this is a guy who is a moral coward when it comes to trump. trump is like the ike turner in this relationship. it's never going to get better. he has to leave him to get better. it's an abusive relationship. pence isn't understand it. the way that trump will behave toward him -- trump loves to punish people who are based them selves to him. trump loves to punish people who show him their soft underbelly. for four years we had a situation where, get yourself a mother the way that mike pence was a trump sony speaking. the guy was a bootlicker. he never stopped kissing trump 's substantial rear. yet, trump will abuse him tool is dying day. i can't understand why mike pence, who's not a stupid man, he is not a stupid man, cannot understand that he will never prosper from this relationship.

>> melissa, you know, some of the muse that was made this week actually came out of the january six committee involving the doj. they want to, if they, for example, want to prosecute some of the players, based on the evidence that we're hearing, will they have to depose the former vice president? will they have to do their own interviews in order to proceed with -- . could they really bring federal charges on the pressure campaign against mike pence without any testimony from mike pence? >> certainly, it would be harder without firsthand evidence for mike pence. -- from individuals who were in the room or heard about these conversations that happen. obviously, having mike pence in his testimony would be critical. i don't know if it's entirely necessary. on some of the information is not considered hearsay. some of these people were there, and they heard these things firsthand. again, having mike pence say these things to attest to what

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crazy, illegal. just threw out a few words. you know who i saw the plan blow the law, john eastman. >> did doctor eastman admit in from the president, would violate the count act? >> he acknowledged that was a case. even what he viewed as the -- palatable option would violate several provisions, but he thought that we could do so because, in his view, the allure -- was unconstitutional. >> so, the testimony by pence -- was pretty bad for eastman, no doubt about it. things got even worse after january 6th, according to the testimony. that morning, eastman gave his own rousing speech to the pro trump mob that would later stormed the capitol. after that crowd stormed the capitol, but before my prince certify the election, easements and jacob in an email, noting that, technically, the electoral count act was violated, because -- took more than two hours.

you know, there was an insurrection that interrupted that debate. but eastman figured, hey, now that we've broken the law a little bit, let's do it some more. here's what he wrote in that email. >> so, now that the president has been set of the electoral count act is not quite so sacrosanct as was previously claimed, i implore you to consider one more relatively minor violation and adjourned for ten days to allow the legislatures to finish their investigations. >> consider one more relatively minor violation. that doesn't sound like a presidential advisor who knows the law. it sounds like a punchline from arrested development. >> there's a good chance i may have -- treason. >> but wait, there's more, believe it or not. eastman wasn't done acknowledging that his plan put everybody around trump in legal jeopardy, including himself,

because on january 11th, five days after the insurrection, john eastman, yes, john eastman sent to rudy giuliani a remarkable email, asking for a small favor. >> doctor eastman's emails stated, quote, i've decided that i should be on the pardon list, if that is still in the works. doctor eastman did not receive his presidential pardon. >> it is okay to laugh at this because the internet certainly did. eastman's email has set off a cascade of memes, putting his pardon line in the mouths of -- tesco from the godfather, and even jar jar banks. look, we can laugh about this but there is a serious question that has been raised by all of this, donald trump will come and go, no doubt about it, but how many john eastman's are still out there, seemingly, respectable lawyers, at least on paper, and political operatives working in the shadows of our systems, willing

to propose how to break the law and inciting violence and ready to serve whatever authoritarian personality comes after trump. that's what scares me the most. let's discuss this with our political panel once again. melissa murray, joan walsh and rick wilson. joan, all start with you. pro wrestling has this idea of the heel, the rule breaking villain everybody loves to hate. trump and pence aides seems to be making john eastman the heel here. and your latest piece, all these insiders who told eastman that he was crazy, proposing an illegal scheme sanctioning violence, where were their voices in the lead up to january the 6th? why weren't they sounding the alarm publicly, saying, hey, this is happening behind the scenes, we've got some bat crazy people in here trying to get the president to carry out a coup. >> well, yeah, john eastman is donald trump with a law degree. he's a pathological liar.

he literally reminds me -- had a character on saturday night live in the 80s -- [inaudible] one line after another, oh, that's the ticket. that's what eastman sounded like. they were indulging him and he would come back, day after, day and contradict himself in, say oh, no, we shouldn't do this. yeah, that's a risky. we actually should do that, yeah, that's the ticket. but, you know, yeah. i look at a lot of those guys, not just mike pence, as people who really let us down. i look at a guy like marc short, for example, pence's chief of staff. he had the intelligence, i guess, to go to the secret service and say, my boss might be in a little bit more danger because trump is coming after him all night. why didn't he go to nancy pelosi? why didn't he go to the washington post? i mean, the idea that he's going to beef up his bosses

security but my daughter was in -- hiding behind the table that day. i mean, lots of people would've liked to know that they were in danger. marc short didn't think that was important, he thought it was important that his boss be protected. that gives me the creeps, to be honest. >> that's why keep saying, people like bill barr, marc short and all these others, they don't get a free pass because they are not -- whether they're selling a book or compelled by law to testify. when they had the chance to do the right thing, they didn't do it, publicly, to the american people. that's the troubling thing. , rick you know this world a lot better than i do. when it comes to the dirty tricks of political operatives, was eastman's work beyond the pale for operatives in that world? or, could you imagine a lot of people being willing to take the steps that he did? are there more easements out there? >> there are plenty more out there. look, if you ever want to imagine how an amoral

republican -- as a former republican consultant, i can admit this. imagine the most amoral think you could think of, and double it. trump has people around him -- into a volcano to stay in office. there is no upper boundary. we've got very lucky that eastman was, in fact, somewhat of a clawed in putting this together that. he was not a ban ginsburg, or a more sophisticated attorney. he's an idealogue before he's a legal thinker and scholar. that's the only reason to be escaped from this, without somebody -- style and presentation, who could've worked mcconnell's people and work to the senate process differently and could've somehow juiced it into a situation where he didn't look like a -- local board was coming in. remember this, there were a lot of senators that day, before the mob attacked, who were trying to undermine the process of the electoral vote count. rick scott, tommy timberville, tom cotton, josh hawley, the

whole package of these guys. they were all trying to burn down the process before the mob arrived. they had a legal strategy in their minds that was underpinning this. in a lot of ways, -- reflected trump's aide, and so they went to the capitol and attacked it but they almost got away with this. we were very close to losing the country that day. they almost got away with this. >> yeah, and they've shown no signs of actually preventing it from happening again. i don't think the system is built to preventing it from happening again. melissa, fast forward to after january 6th, john eastman did not give the -- about it. in fact, as i understand, the committee actually wanted to interview him. they did interview him. here's how that went. to watch. >> -- against being compelled to be a witness against myself. >> did the trump legal team ask you to prepare a memorandum regarding -- and the counting of electoral votes --

to january 6th? >> -- >> fifth. >> is that statement true? >> fifth. >> so, eastman pleaded the fifth more than 100 times, according to the committee. if he got that pardon that he emailed giuliani about, he wouldn't have been able to take the fifth, as i understand. correct me if i'm wrong. could the white house have recognized that anybody they pardon, over january the 6th, could be compelled to testify? >> i don't know who is advising the president at that time. there was rudy giuliani, who didn't seem to know, in pennsylvania, -- for reviewing voting rights claims were. they were all kinds of other lawyers involved here. i think, most lawyers who have taken the stand for criminal procedure would know that once you've accepted a pardon, you are then prohibited from taking the fifth amendment. john eastman was dropping the fifth pretty regularly during the deposition testimony.

i think the more interesting thing about the fact that john eastman contacted rudy giuliani about getting on that pardon list was that there is actually a list. it wasn't simply one individual approaching giuliani -- for a single pardon. they were actually making a concerted effort to think about all of the individuals and their milieu who had done criminal, or criminal adjacent activities, that might be worthy of a pardon. they all recognize that what they were doing, at this point, down with john eastman was at the center of, was likely criminal activity, that expose them to criminal liability. that, to me, is more alarming and alluding aspect of this testimony. >> yeah, certainly troubling. joan, we have about 30 seconds left i wanted to get your thoughts on this revelation that we learned. this connection between john eastman exchange emails with ginni thomas, the wife of justice clarence thomas about the election challenges. the fact that eastman himself -- on thursday by downplaying

their interactions. this guy's just on another level with his strategically. the committee says it's time for -- what's the significance of a role in all of this behind the scenes. >> she was a huge organizer behind -- i'm not going to say the violence of january 6th, but the various strategies to overturn the election. she completely -- i believe she believed her own lies. she went to people in arizona, she was working with eastman -- we learned she was having a back and forth regularly -- she was really trying to put this together. she was really trying to connect the dots -- was really something. even though she's crazy, -- i thought for a long time that they need to talk to ginni thomas.

the eastman emails broke the final straw. there's been division with the committee that we known about, approaching ginni thomas. it's kind of a weird thing to do. it's unprecedented but everything is unprecedented. >> it's incredible that throughout all this, we haven't heard from anything -- about what he wants to see happen with clarence thomas. that, in itself, is bizarre. melissa murray, joan walsh, rick wilson, thank you so much, greatly appreciate your insights and analysis. thank you. coming up after the first three hearings of -- you may have noticed a talking point emerging among the right-wing circles in this country. the mainstream media won't cover inflation. we're gonna have a little fact check for our republican friends after this break. break ♪ i want to rock and roll all night ♪ ♪ and party every day. ♪ ♪ i want to rock and roll all night ♪ applebee's late night. because half off is just more fun. now that's eatin' good

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media lately? or heard republicans react across these january six hearings? because they're having a field day. oh, it's nothing to do with -- well, anything from the house committees findings to overturn -- or the assault on our nation's capital, for that matter. nothing to do with a ten month long investigation process, or the thousands of interviews and documents and videos in court records the committee has assembled. no. a lot of right-wing media has made his mission to just

deflect the whole thing. it's such a particular way. it almost seemed scripted. here's a good example of this talking point. on the day of the first -- tweeted out, gas is $5 a gallon people. genuinely can't imagine giving a crap about the january 6th hearings. it's not just him's. there's an obsession on many right-wing outlets, with this idea that the left, democrats and mainstream media, are talking about inflation. all democrats care about is january 6th. >> people are talking about food prices going up and the democrats are solely focused on trying to change their political narrative. >> we've got record inflation, soaring gas prices and in the midst of all that chaos, whether they focused on? we'll get their primetime billing? it's their seeding hatred for donald trump. it's >> time to bring back an abc produced spectacular about

january 6th while they're ignoring inflation. you just cited the highest gas prices in history, but they want to focus on january six. >> they're calling a primetime tv, i'm calling it disgusting. >> it's another inversion of reality. we're not ignoring the big story. you are. had they even watch anything other than fox or newsmax? i mean, don't take it for me, have a listen to some coverage on nbc and cnn, et cetera. just in the last week. watch. >> gas prices hit a national average of $5 a gallon over the weekend. here's the problem, it's not over. >> today, gas hit a new high, $5 a gallon on average, nationally. new data shows inflation is the worst it's been since 1981. >> brand-new inflation numbers just. and >> with prices surging, an american struggling to keep up, the federal reserve takes a bold step to tame what seems like relentless inflation. >> jobs are back, the prices are still too high.

covid is down but gas prices are up. our work isn't done. >> the effects of inflation, the rising -- it is been all over print media to. for months now, not just recently. think about how many times president biden has talked about securing jobs, strengthening the economy, addressing rising prices. tell me this, how many times have you heard him talk about january the 6th? nobody is ignoring inflation. it's a huge and global story, not just an american one. look at all the countries that have raised interest rates to combat inflation, this year alone. the pandemic had an enormous impact on supply chains, we know that. it's actually possible to walk and chew gum at the same time, even if our conservative friends can do it. -- if you watched, then you saw evidence the january six was not just about an armed violent

attack on the capitol to block the certification, because the president told him the elections were stolen. no, if you watch the hearings, you saw evidence that trump was told, bluntly, -- -- if the president continue to lie to his supporters about the election. if you watched, you saw evidence that donald trump was also told that his -- violated the law. -- continued public pressure on mike pence to do that. if you watch, you saw evidence that some rioters were open to killing the vice president, if they had caught him. if the rioters inside the capitol were just 40 feet away from mike pence at one point. feet >> how is that not -- inflation is an important story. we need to address how

americans are struggling to pay their bills, but the idea that inflation is a bigger story than the ongoing threat to our democracy is incredibly dangerous. if we don't understand the threat to our democracy today, then we don't have a functioning tamaqua see tomorrow. the americans will be struggling with more than gas prices and food prices that are too high. still to come, the british government has approved the extradition of -- to the u.s.. what happens next. we're gonna talk to his brother after the break. after the break. what do you think healthier looks like? cvs can help you support your nutrition, sleep, immune system, energy ...even skin. so healthier can look a lot like...you. cvs. healthier happens together. [ kimberly ] before clearchoice, my dental health was so bad i would be in a lot of pain. i was unable to eat. it was very hard. kimberly came to clearchoice with a bunch of missing teeth,

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have you had the chance to speak to your brother and what has been his reaction to the news? >> no, i haven't had a chance to speak to julian today. at these times, it's very difficult for julian during these periods, where these decisions are looming and then a negative outcome [inaudible] -- i can imagine is not doing so well. >> can you describe for us the mood, generally, among the camp of how hopeful his appeal will end his detention? as i noted, this is a court that is already ruled in favor of his extradition. i'm wondering whether or not there's a sense of optimism among his family, his lawyers, his friends, his supporters. >> yes, you know, we're gonna fight this to there is no other appeal options left.

now, julian's lawyers have the opportunity to introduce the cia -- inside the embassy, spying on his lawyers, spying on his psychologists. that was confirmed by the former and current intelligence community -- -- lawyers now the opportunity to introduce these things that would usually have a case thrown out. there's an opportunity to introduce us to the high court. >> one of the things that really shocked me was a statement from the home office, responding to the concerns about his universal human rights. they said extradition would not undermine his, quote, write to a fair trial and freedom of expression. that quote -- appropriately, including in relation to his health. i'm shocked with that statement, given by how much politicians

in america have gone after him, personally, and, perhaps even tainted the people -- leveled against him in this country. do you believe that statement from the home office? what's your reaction to hearing that? how concerned are you for his health? at >> i don't believe that's a minute all. you just have to look at other national security cases. -- kept in conditions like special administrative measures, or like daniel hill, -- who's currently in communications management unit. your communication with the outside world is very limited. all your calls are monitored by the fbi. -- what's most concerning though, now journalism -- if you're reporting a national

security measures in the uk, the u.s. can extradite you. that's been affirmed by the uk judiciary, another uk government. similar things, like the guardians reporting -- that would be an extraditable offense for the publisher of the guardian. >> incredible, even if you're not american citizen. that be quite a troubling trend, i should say. -- free press advocate. gabriel shifted, thank, you as always for your time. i really appreciate it. we're gonna fall this very closely, as we have been. we have an update in the story of serene -- the al jazeera journalist who was killed -- had covered -- during the shootings in the came under fire, even though they were clearly identified as reporters.

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