you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome back to alex with reports. we begin on capitol hill, a new reaction this hour to the january six investigations. as a select period compares for more hearings this week, they are scheduled for tuesdays and thursdays. the time for tuesday's hearings, donald trump their allies put on state officials to overturn the election results. 16 committee member congressman jamie raskin today is summarizing some of the key takeaways from this past week's hearing. >> donald trump knew the big lie was a big lie. he used him also as a big shake down, and a rip off of his supporters, to keep money rolling in. usually when the candidate is over and somebody has lost, it is very difficult to raise money. but they raised more than two point $3 million based on that lie. >> meanwhile, new polling from

ipsos out just a short time ago shows that 58% told thinks that trump should be charged with a trump crime for his 16 involvement. well 30 -- 60% of the poll think that the committee is doing a fair investigation. 38% says it is not. also, today the economy saying that inflation is a high, and that tackling it is the president's number one priority. . >> when you go to the pump and see the prices were today great some certainty, it creates real economic hardship. but at the same, time it is important as americans that we are recognize the unique strengths that we have in this economy. the strongest labor market since world war ii. unemployment at 3.6%. house in balance sheets that have occurred over the coals of the last year. so we now have the lowest mortgage delinquencies in years. lewis credit card colin delinquencies in 40 years. those are unique to the american economy, we have a stronger and by the better

position to track all inflation than almost any other country in the world. that's all we have to do now. the press has made it very clear that bringing down inflation is the top economic priority. >> treasury secretary janet yellin, also this, morning says a gas tax holiday option is still on the table. joining, us nbc correspondent allie raffa on capitol hill, and the president in delaware. so we also see jacqui asked, when she is joining us as well. we're happy to see all three of. you ali, we will reach out to you first. two more hearings are scheduled for this week from the january six committee, what can we expect? >> yes, alex. well first off, just to mention that police mentioned at the top there, that poll mentions the more than a third of americans are paying attention to these hearings. the committee members are really all over the sunday show this morning, really teasing what to expect from the committees fourth and fifth hearings, slated for this week, that they hope more americans will pay attention to. listen here.

>> we will show evidence of the presidents involvement in this game, and we'll also again show evidence about what's his own lawyers came to think about this game. and we'll show courageous state officials who stood up and said they would not go along with this plan to either call the interest back into session, or decertify the results for joe biden. >> we know things this weekend we did not know last weekend. >> and things that are going to be important facts that we did not need to know? >> as you heard the congressman lay out there, tuesday's hearings will focus on trump's pressure campaign, on state election officials, to help him overturn the results of the election. we have at least two were slated to testify on tuesday. georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, when his deputy gave sterling, both of them conservative republicans who supported trump in 2020. and then refused to do his bidding. you will remember that now

infamous phone call between raffensperger and trump, where trump asked for the exact amount of votes, plus one that you would need to top biden in the state of georgia. this was really among the strongest stance that we saw from republicans in the aftermath of the election. against trump. remember, former vp mike pence was among those republicans who we learned so much more about in this last year, and in the last week. about the pressure campaign about him from trump to overturn those election results. he was actually brought up on the sunday shows, congressman adam shift asked if potentially the committee would subpoena pence for his side of the story. and schiff was really leaving the door open, there, saying, quote, the committee is not excluding anyone or anything at this point. as far as thursday's hearing, alex, we are still not sure if the hearing was postponed last week unexpectedly, that was supposed to focus on trump's pressure campaign on the justice department officials. whether that will take the place thursday, whether another

game will take the place at the next hearing. >> i am sure wmeetpoint. that is for sure. we will keep watching and see what counts. ali, raffa we will see you. again let's bring in now, jacqueline alemany, congressional investigations reporter for the washington post. welcome to you. let's get right to brad raffensperger, secretary of state. he is set to testify tuesday. here is the now famous phone call between raffensperger and trump on january 2nd, 2021. take a listen, everyone. >> all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11, 000, 780 votes. which is one more than we have. because we won the state. so what are we going to do? i only 11,000 votes. fellas, on 11,000 votes. give me a break. >> it is extraordinary. every time you hear. it would you expect to hear from raffensperger? >> i expect to focus on tuesday

to be focused primarily on two different topics. the pressure that the trump campaign, the trump administration, and the former president himself was putting on the state of georgia and the top officials there. brad raffensperger case and point. and then the alternate slate of electors and his scheme that the campaign is also trying to implement and execute, in battleground straits states that the former president lost, in order to bring in a new state slate of electors. but i think from brad raffensperger, he also fits into the scheme and theme that we have seen reoccurring. one of the people who courageously stood up to the former president, even though it was not politically expedient or popular. and essentially refused to do his bidding. in his request to overturn the results of the election. i think that we are also going to see quite a bit of video from potential trump campaign officials. and people who were also

looking to try to apply that pressure as well. who were in the states, actually trying to do this crazy witch hunt for these actual affidavits, is with the referred to the mass. to find evidence of election fraud. and, then again, back to the ultimate slates of electors. i'm very curious to see. we don't know yet exactly what else features. whether or not they might actually include some states and local officials who were forced essentially to submit this phony slate of electors. >> yes. and then we have this other hearing this week which is set for thursday, we have these two, but we are not sure with their estates content will be. we heard allie raffa talking about that. that is going to be what is postponed wednesday, or something altogether new? >> right now, that is what we are hearing. that it will be a hearing focused on the department justice and the pressure campaign that former president

put on people like former attorney jeff rosen and jeffrey clark. stephen angles. people that we have yet to hear from. but again, as congressman jamie raskin said just an hour ago or so, there is still new information coming in every single day. a live investigation. we just obtained a number of blockbuster emails from john eastman, former president trump's attorney, who essentially wrote the legal arguments for the coup. so it doesn't make you wonder if whether they are going to have to sort of recalibrate and maybe split the hearing, or move the theme of the hearing. but right now, but we are hearing is that you are going to hear about how the former president tried to install jeffrey clark, a mid level attorney. he would have had zero experience or -- to run the department of justice. to install him in leadership, i

was jeffrey rosen, and get clark to actually put to work some of the schemes that he was proposing. things like seizing voting machines and using these conspiracy fuels theories to actually abuse and leverage the department of justice to overturn this defeat. >> extraordinary. i know you've been looking at these companies hearings closely, and i want to take you through some of the headlines this week. but first, as we look at what has happened. what is the most shocking thing you've heard so far? >> that is a good question. i do think last week with congressman pete aguilar, era in the hearing that he read, but there were certainly bombshells. john eastman explicitly, very clearly in the email, was asking rudy giuliani to be put on the pardons list, if that was still an option. i believe that was the phrasing. and it is these sorts of pieces of evidence that really, highly

suggest that these people knew that there was something potentially criminal that's they were doing. but i think that even just a big pitcher standpoint, it is pretty remarkable to just see the strategy that the committee has taken in his putting to work. which is essentially bearing the former president in his own words, and in the words of his top advisors. people who are respected in the trump world, who for four years, with the exception of maybe those last few months, did the president's bidding. but when it came to this decided that it was a bridge too far, and had no trouble saying so behind closed doors, to investigators in those videos. and even some of them coming up live for the committee to testify to the american public. >> yes. in terms of the articles he would run for the washington post, let's start with this one.

trump aides told him that using pence to overturn the election was illegal, and that trump's inner circle warned with election fraud claims were false. so, the question is, he clearly ignored their advice. is that because he did not believe them, or wants to believe them? i am curious what he did with that information. is there any way that he can't believe ignorance, not that his ego would let him do that. but you have got to wonder, where that information go. how is it being processed? >> and that is the case of the committee is trying to make. that he knowingly ignored their advice. they are really trying to hammer down the intense here. and yes, the committee, at the end of the day, it is not a prosecutorial mandates. their mandate is legislative. and really explanatory for the american public. there are still a substantial number of people who do not really understand what happened

on the day of january 6th. or in the lead up to january 6th. that is quite confusing, even to the people who cover it every single day for their jobs. but i think that it is really hard to look at every single clip that you have seen. people like bill barr, who are really being derisive in their condemnation of the former president's beliefs. and i forget the exact language. but barr said, really, the trump would've had to be detached from reality do think that there was actual election fraud. when you see the committee going through this very detailed, seemingly minute conversation with the former president, walking through and methodically dismantling his claims. saying, you had richard donahue walked through the example of the suitcases. the president said he saw this

video on youtube and thought that ballots were being stolen and suitcases. and rich donahue, with investigators, interview that played during one of the past hearings said, i told him it was not true. i was very clearly not a suitcase. so i'm not sure exactly what the president believed, but this is the committee trying to get inside his mind and prove his intent was deliberate, and that he knowingly was ignoring these results. just in order to stay in power. >> well, look. whether is knowingly or pleading ignorance, ignorance will not work from going forward. he is a piece basically saying, i did not understand and had a level of ignorance about all. this is not going to appeal to potential republicans who want to work for him down the road? that is a rhetorical question, it is just something that we have to be weighing in our minds as we look at all of this. anyway. jacqueline alemany, thank you so much. some of you may have missed the january six hearing because a work or school or traveling. so we are going to re-arrows

for you. that will be at the top of the hour right here on msnbc. but now, let's go to present biden and the economy. the administration is out in full force today on the sunday talk shows, investing growing concern to lawmakers american consumers. -- barrett is following the president in rehoboth beach, delaware this morning. welcome, when you're hearing today? >> well, alex, the witness deployed three messengers across the sunday show this morning. from treasury secretary janet yellen, energy secretary jennifer granholm, and the director of the national economic council brian deese. and they all coalesced around the same message that we've been hearing from the white house, that the economy is in a good place and that a recession is not inevitable. that is in contrast to what we have been hearing from market experts looking ahead to a potential of a recession, and as you and i both know we've all been feeling this increase in consumer prices. i would show you this list. for you groceries are up 12% since last year, and it cost almost 35%.

guess almost 50%, and then electricity and cars also at 12%. this is we are talking just yesterday about the spike in gas prices, up nearly $2 from last year. and so, all of this messaging from the white house saying that they have inflation under control, because basically they are saying the two key factors driving inflation is the pandemic, which the u.s. is still coming out of, and putin's war against ukraine. so, in terms of the things that they can't control, they are noting that. but then one of the things that they can control in the focus today is gas prices and how they can talk about the increase in production. i want to play an interesting point of the interview with secretary grant moran of on energy where she discussed president biden's trip to saudi arabia last month. >> i think you will meet with the saudi crown prince, he is asked for all suppliers around the globe to increase production. that includes a hip. that includes our domestic oil

and gas producers. he's asking for an increase, like other league leaders around the globe are increasing. >> don't have a one-on-one meeting? >> that is my understanding. there will be a one-on-one meeting. but it will be series of meetings around energy overall. >> so that detail around the one-on-one meeting differs from what we heard directly from the president on his way to his vacation interwoven on friday, when he was leaving the white house. he said he would not meet with the crown prince of saudi arabia. this was a contentious point because of the human rights violations we have seen from saudi. but of course saudi arabia does lead opec in terms of controlling the world's oil supply. so that is why the conversation will be key when the president visits next month. and prices go down, alex. >> absolutely. 100 ascent. thank you for that. today's editorial in the boston globe says this. there is no question that merrick garland much must put trump on trial. more on that and why he says that there is a smoking gun on the trump line. the trump line be ready for every moment, with glucerna.

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trump as the next president would have plunged america and two and i believe we have been tantamount to a revolution within a constitutional crisis. >> conservative retired federal judge michael luttig said those sobering words at the hearing on thursday. speaking with the dangers to democracy, if my pentagonal long with the french pressure campaign to overturn the election. joining me, now louise, try professor of constitutional law at harvard university welcome back, professor. always good to have you.

in your opinion, just how close did the u.s. come to a constitutional crisis on january 6th? >> i think that george looted was exactly right. we are right on the urge. because if vice president pence had done with the president tried desperately to get him to do, and with the president of the united states at that time just a couple of days ago still insists that he wished mike pence had done, and would have gotten him to do if he could, and would you do again, that is a prescription for exactly what judge lugar said. namely, a revolution within a crisis. we would have no democracy left. if one person, the vice president, could in violation of the electoral count act exercise unilateral power to overturn the results of the electoral college. >> but at the insistence and pressure of the president,

would he have done so? so, has the committee thus far made the case that donald trump committed a crime? and if so, what could he be convicted of? >> well, i don't think there is any doubt. he basically confessed in broad daylight that he committed to what was called the crime of 18 usc section 12 to. i believe. of obstructing the and deliberately corrupting and preventing the congressional proceedings. so not just any old congressional proceeding. it was the one that marked the transition to the next presidency. the fact that donald trump did not like those numbers does not make any difference. he basically has said openly, yeah. i did it. i'm proud of it. i would do it again. and the it is giving my vice president to put to me in

office, even if i have lost in the electoral college. because i believe the electoral college. i believe my own views. well, views being once they are, it does not matter if they are diluted or not. we do have a process for deciding who becomes the next president. it is not a process that says, over the presently united states is, believes one of the elections to see if we can stay in office. decides the matter. if the president believes he won, that is good enough. he would make his vice president take the steps to keep him in office. what kind of dictatorship is that? that is more ridiculous than most of the autocracies in the world. that is the one that donald trump says we ought to have. and it is a federal crime to do when he tried to do. there are a lot of crimes that could fit. one of them is conspiracies to commit sedition.

our could rattle off a number of others. the point is not realistic mumbo jumbo, the point is it is criminal to take the law into your own hands. to try to seize power and stay in office no matter what's the electoral college says. that is the worst time you can commit. >> professor, i am curious as to why there still isn't a debate about this then. yes, in a very scholarly way, you are showing like you said that you could rattle off a number of the things that he is committed to doing violations against you. you get that one code, specifically, saying that he flat out in the daylight committed this. why is there any question as to whether or not donald trump should or will be charged with a crime? >> well, some people think there should not be any question. the attorney general, a very cautious man who i admire. he wants to make sure that everybody understands what he

is doing, because prosecuting a former president is something that we cannot do every day. we have never done it before. other people say oh, it is terrible, we become a banana republic. . until enough people understand what is going on, there is a danger that no one would accept the results. at least, perhaps -- >> there is something that you have said. and that is that the committee has made the case the trump clearly knew there was a violent mob in the pot capital. when he tweeted at 2:24 pm, the vice president did not have the courage to do what's should have been done. and you have called this tweet, this smoking gun. explain that. >> i think that until that tweet was just opposed to the timeline that we saw in the careful presentation by the january six committee, it looked like any of a number of things that the former

president just keeps shooting off. this guy's not courageous, this guy's a win. somebody else is the p-word. but doing this in the face of what was then going on with dallas up there and with people yelling, drag out mike pence, drag out nancy pelosi, doing it at that point is obviously fomenting violence. it is obviously pouring oil on a fire that is heading straight to the vice president's office. and at that very moment the vice president is being pushed off and pulled off the stand. and these 40 feet from the gleefully minded mob. and the president saying, oh yeah, right. he is a traitor, go get. him what more do you need? that is why call the smoking gun. >> let me ask about the boston globe, which they editorial board made its case today that

they must put trump on top trial. the board said, not only would it deter features of ricky long a similar way, but it also discourage their cronies and sycophants from playing along. critics say that even if there were a strong criminal case against donald trump, the doj decision to charge him instead could open the door to future political prosecutions. of former leaders. how does the doj way that risk, because that is a big one. >> it is pretty clear that we are never going to have a democracy in which the -- presents itself. unless we make it clear that you can get away with it. can't get away with it. and i think that is what has to happen now. not only for trump, but for those around him. if a guy like trump does not have a giuliani and an eastman and all those guys to help them, they will not be able to do it next time. so with a minimum, they have to be prosecuted. but i think the ringleader

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the international association of machinists and aerospace workers. let's go now to the latest on the war in ukraine. a new warning from the head of nato. that the war could go on for years. urging nato members to not let up on support. a similar sentiment is coming from british from assert boris johnson in an op-ed in the uk someday times. raising fears that ukraine fatigue may be setting in. but the fighting continues on day 1:16 of this for. new video shows homes on fire after russians selling in -- that was near russia's east coast. and this fuel depot hit dnipro. we're also getting a new look at fierce fighting the eastern sievierodonetsk region so let's get nbc's molly hunter joining me from dnipro right now. what are you hearing there, molly, and is there any word, by the way, all those missing americans. >> hey, alex, good to be with you. we are so focused on the reports of these three missing americans. of course, i'm just gonna run you through the names, just 39-year-old alabama native alex rookie, he was a former u.s.

army staff sergeant who served two tours in iraq, alex. former marine andy win and another former arena this is the first person ever learned about just on friday. grady kurpasi. for grady's family, his family says he was last heard from an april. the other two and missing just about a week and a half ago. we spoken with both of their families, alex, the timeline is that they last heard from them on the eight. they got a call on the 13th that said they hadn't made the wrong day point there were missing. interestingly, would happen alex, this is something we've been trying to get from ukraine authorities, we've been reaching out of the state department confirmed that only the names but if they know anything about their whereabouts. who is holding them. we spoke with human rights watch. ashley near 80, she's a senior legal adviser there who specializes in kind of pows. about what to expect next. she says first and foremost, they must be treated as pows. the first thing that needs to happen is that they need access to the icy our team, international committee for the red cross. it is on the detaining party to alert the red cross they have

pows. so that's one of the things are gonna be asking about the next 24 hours. the other thing that we talked about, alex, her biggest concern is that they will not get due process. they will not get access to the icrc. they will be held by russian-backed separatists in the donbas region where someone ask us as you just mentioned. and will be tried in some kangaroo court and these are her words, and they will be accused of bogus crimes, sentenced to life in prison or the death penalty. she says really encouraging russia the treaties of pows and really encouraging the world's media to kind of keep the attention and the focus on them so that they are treated in the world's eye as pows. >> i'm glad you are doing just that. let me tell you, at the waves filled out, molly, it is absolutely chilling. so thank you very much, appreciated. the new signs that republicans would be looking for an off ramp from donald trump. ♪ ♪

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place across the u.s. commemorating juneteenth. 150 years ago today, slaves in galveston, texas, learned they were free. but it was two years after the signing of the emancipation proclamation. last year, president biden signed a bill officially recognizing juneteenth as a federal holiday. nbc's shaquille brewster is in chicago for us so shaq, how are folks there so breeding today? >> either, alex, you see so many events around the community focus on exactly that. the sense of community, it's all across the country, especially here in chicago where we know there are dozens of events that we've been seeing all across the weekend from bike rides to parades to this barbecue and facilities see behind me. you see the sound stage, chance the rapper suspected to be here a little bit later. you see the bounce house over there. and then you see all the tense those are all vendors. and that kind of speaks to another point that you're seeing with this juneteenth. the focus on small businesses, black-owned businesses and you

see some of the tension that's been coming with this holiday. you saw the tweet from different stores with juneteenth party packs and you saw the juneteenth flavor ice cream from walmart that they then had to pull off the shelves. there's a lot of frustration that you're hearing that some businesses, accusations that there are over commercializing this holiday. i want you to listen to a couple of professors told us about how businesses and corporations are trying to balance the celebration with trying to make some money. >> i think if more companies have more people and positions who can help inform those conversations, they would think of more nuanced and i would say better ways of recognizing the holiday. >> if you must profit as a company, to do so in a way that is not offensive, that is not perpetually syria types. and that really is awful. >> now what you are seeing, what's now being a federal holiday is more awareness. look at this gallup poll that was just released, 56% of

americans say that they are at least somewhat or a lot, they're either a lot or someone familiar with the holiday, juneteenth. that's up about 20% from just more americans understanding with the holidays about and you're getting eight of the more people are celebrating. it more than just a day of a really understanding the truth behind that. alex. >> and that is just so great. i love those stats in the fact that it's on the rise, everyone's aware. think he so much, shaq, for bringing that to us from chicago. as juneteenth is marked, also this weekend, people are remembering and honoring the life of vincent chin. on this day, in 1982, chen was killed in detroit by two white autoworkers who blamed him for layoffs in the industry. on the night of his bachelor party, he was 27 years old. his attackers never served jail time. she instead sparked activism thin and now 40 years later, voices against a recent uptick in violence against asian americans. let's go now to politics and some new signs that many in the gop may be looking for an off ramp from donald trump.

the inside comes from arkansas's republican governor, asa hushing's inciting the capitol riots and trump's false election flawed crimes. but trump is not backing away from those claims or his actions on january 6th. in fact, here's what's in this first public appearance since the committee's evidence suggests he pressured mike pence. >> they also said that i told him that i wanted him to decide the election. i want you to decide, i didn't say that. they made up the story, it's not true. i wanted him to send it up to the legislature's. i was told, if we got the same number of votes, 63 million, that we had made. i was told that by the post pollsters. we got millions and millions more, more than any sitting president has ever gotten, not even close. and they say we lost. don't believe it. >> except joe biden got more.

joining me now, olivia johnson, political strategist and former biden campaign consultant. susan del percio, republican strategist an msnbc political analyst. and david jolly, msnbc political contributor, former republican congressman from florida and national chairman of the serve america movement. welcome, all of you, and david, you especially on this father's day, thanks for taking the time to be with us, dad. anyways, let's -- he's not exactly denying the allegations, that he pressured pence to overturn the election. he's trying to spin it and put words in the committee members mouse as if he says certain things that i don't recall them saying it that way. >> he absolutely is trying to spin this for himself to keep this political standing with some of the republican party, went into the segment with. there are so many republicans who are trying to now distance themselves. the beginning of the hearings this week, the committee chairman actually started out by laying the facts out.

but trump and the, members literally quoting -- and donald trump was lying about the members. he is feeling the heat when all of these advisories that are very close to him, people who were on staff as well as so many of the vice president advisers, and a lot of legal experts are peddling the story that yes, he may have lost the election, but he continued to pour gas on the flame of the fire, which unfortunately led to this insurrection. >> yes, susan. in the very same speech trump suggested at the january 6th riot was a simple part of that got out of hand. here is the problem. as republicans look for a so-called off ramp, many still believe it was a protest that got out of hand. or they don't care. is that a fair assessment? >> yes. it is a fair assessment. that is where the majority of republicans are. and of course, it is not reality. it is not would happen.

i would also like to highlight that in that speech that you just referred to, alex, he also thought of those rioters and people who beat police officers and others. which we have the video of, we know that's true. that perhaps if he was elected president in 2024, he would issue them pardons. how demented do you have to be to look at people who violently attacked police officers and think you should offer them a pardon? he is living in an alternative reality, but that would give him an out. he is constantly trying to create his own reality in which he can exist in. >> there is another headline to look at, david, with you. impeachment number three. january 6th panel isn't swaying swing state republicans and nevada. there isn't evidence of what i just asked susan, that is exactly the headline there. so give me a sense of that.

where do things stand on that? is there any swaying? >> no. i don't think so. i think that leading republicans, you play the clip from asa hutchinson, want to get past donald trump. we do republicans believe they have a strong bench. ron desantis, nikki hale, and tom scott and others. but leading national republicans didn't decide the fate of the republican party. voters do. and the paradox that leading republicans have found themselves in is that they have suggested all along that the january six committee is a witch hunt. it is partisan. the immediate is reporting on this fake. you cannot believe any of this. and so now they can't turn around and, say look at all this bad information on donald trump has come out. as a result of this process. leading republicans are stuck with the person that got them here. donald trump. and until donald trump can be summing also the ballot box in -- the fate of the republican party still remains at the faith and at the whim of the former president.

>> david, help score these numbers i'm about to share with. you 55% believed that the republican party for continue to be led by trump. 33% say it is time for new leaders. only 10% say that trump was a bad president, and it is time to move on. how does that square with the actions of donald trump, being reviewed by the 16 committee for millions and millions to hear and see. let alone anything else that he says and does. what was he saying that most recent rally? >> it is one of the great historic injuries that donald trump brought upon the country. but, also specifically, on the republican party. the destruction of truth. the notion that you cannot believe the fair presentation of facts through our traditional institutions, like the media or the political process itself. democracy itself. and he led the party down that road. and we followed him. and there is not coming back from it. which is why when you see leading republicans, mike pence and others, suggested i know where the truth was. well, shame on them for waiting five years until after the

destruction that donald trump left on the playing field, to now acknowledge the truth we all knew at the beginning of donald trump's presidency. >> yes. your point there. alencia, there is a new abc news ipsos poll that says that six in ten americans say trump should not be charged with the january 6th riot. of, course divided along party lines big-time, we have not your percent democrats compared to 90% of republicans. 91% of democrats also say that trump bears responsibility compared to 21% of republicans. but then what is the question. we prosecuting a former president under these circumstances, would it set a precedent? and while this may be a legitimate criminal prosecution, could this then be used by later president to justify the doj going after a new rival party? former president. is there any real criminal justification? >> it is a slippery slope. the reality is, yes, i do think that former president trump should be charged. it is very, clear the efforts

are very clear. but we create this broader cultural understanding and shift where it has become harder versus actually looking at the destruction, this attack on our nation's capital. this is bigger than what happened on january six. it doesn't attack on democracy. so what you are laying out is actually something that we are already seeing. these conversations that are happening. there was the impeachment hearing of president donald trump. and, then every time the president biden does something that republicans do not, like you hear people talking about that. and i support you saying, oh, we should impeach president biden about xyz. whatever it may be. and so we are setting ourselves up for a culture war. a conversation with report you can do to a sitting president or a former president, that they don't like. but it is really frustrating, because of how historic this moment was. what's this meant to our. nation there is literally evidence of proud boys talking about how, if they got to vice

president mike pence, they would execute him. so it is important shunts that we cannot separate the partisan politics from, this and actually ensure that it's easy justice that is due. but we are going down a slippery slope, unfortunately, if this happens. because it where we are with our political climate. >> okay, alicia, susan, david, please stay with me if you can. we are in this talk about the ripple effects of a rough economy, and the headlines are putting it all into perspective. pective. ♪ i'm way ahead of schedule with my trusty team ♪ ♪ there's heather on the hedges ♪ ♪ and kenny on the koi ♪ ♪ and your truck's been demolished by the peterson boy ♪ ♪ yes -- ♪ wait, what was that? timber... [ sighs heavily ] when owning a small business gets real, progressive helps protect what you've built with affordable coverage. we hit the bike trails every weekend

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economy today. the snow headline in the washington post lays it all out. americans are starting to pull back on travel and restaurants. my panelists are back with. me alencia, johnson susanville partial, and david jolly. susan, this article says that -- are pulling back and services in. gentleman, hers hunk-winning appointments, and the like. it's a setup for republicans

campaigning right now? you answer this first, then you, david. >> yes, it is the economy the stupid as george carnal said, it is something that the republicans can just keep hammering home, and with more is you don't have to tell people there is inflation. when they fill up their tank or go to the supermarket, they see it every day so those are really hard realities that people are seeing. and the republicans just have to go out there, and frankly, blame the democrats. >> okay. so david, if this is a tip for republicans, how do they handle in terms of the democratic perspective? >> well, from the democratic protective you might need to brace for a historic loss. . because voters, based on whether they think we are going in the right direction of the wrong direction, and the economy is going in the wrong direction. but it's just democrats is that january six provides an important historic matter that you must be on the right side of history. addressing j 6th and donald trump is not only about this november.

that is going to be a hard decision to make for national democrats. we focus solely on the economy, and the kitchen table issues. >> okay. valencia, you were a biden campaign advisor. what's your advice be today? how can biden win over voters with the high interest rates, with the record inflation, with the high gas prices? >> you know, it is a really tough time for leading the democratic party right now. i think the important piece is talking directly to voters, and talking about not only with his administration is doing. we are doing all-time low for unemployment. but feeling the frustration. and also laying the case, of the inaction of a republican congress to actually help inflation stay under control. so, we should consider showing who the enemy is and who actually is going to be making change in these kitchen table issues, every day. >> you make a good, point i've yet to hear a plan from republicans about how to turn things around. it is all about being the party of no, at this.

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msnbc for a special coverage of the next january 6th hearing led by andrea mitchell, katie tyrion, hallie jackson. then at eight eastern, a two-hour hearing recap with insights and analysis led by rachel maddow. that's gonna do it for me on this edition of alex witt

reports. happy father's day all your dads. coming up next, msnbc brings you a special re-air of this week's january six meeting hearings from thursday's entirety that's going to start right now in a program reminder. yasmin vossoughian reports will return at 2 pm next saturday and sunday. we'll see you, have a good one everybody. >> the select committee to investigate january 6th attack on the united states capitol will be in order. without objection, the chair is authorized to declare the committee in recess at any point. pursuant to house deposition authority regulation ten, the chair now announces the committees approval to release the deposition material represented on today's hearing. good afternn.