addition to that homophobic language, new platform calls for a full repeal of the 1965 voting rights act. and they actually demand the referendum on whether texas should secede from the u.s. or not. so, i'll leave you with that my friend. every republican should come and condemn this this evening. >> and every reporter should ask a republican on capitol hill, do they agree with the texas gop state platform? >> you know that's not gonna happen. >> goodnight. goodnight, mehdi, enjoy the rest of your father's day. good evening to you and welcome to a special american even tonight. radical addition of a man, how trump's pressure campaign on -- we are going to explore a member of congress how it's been the day before the attack plus the justice department makes an explicit link between domestic terror attacks. and access to guns. then, far-right extremist targeting the lgbtq community

during pride month, where did this hate come from? i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. >> tonight, we continue our look at extremism and radicalization through the lens of american radical, we began with a preview of the january six committee, we will take big to the afternoon, will focus on donald trump's attack the pressure officials to throw out joe biden's victory in casing states, one of the most brazen examples of that pressure was a call to georgia's election officials in which trump demanded they find a very specific number of votes. >> >> all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than

we have. >> that number would have been enough to declare trump the winner of georgia. two men on the other end of that phone call are expected to testify the fourth year in georgia secretary of state, brad raffensperger, and the top deputy, gabriel sterling, both men receiving death threats after being publicly attacked by trump and his allies. here's gabriel sterling in december 2020 speaking directly to donald trump. >> big stop inspiring people to big due acts of violence. someone will get hurt. some will get shot. someone will get killed. it's not right. >> just this week, we learned the day before the january 6th insurrection a man who is radicalized by trump's lies was given a private tour of the capital by georgia republican congressman, loudermilk. this video that tore released by the committee appears to show lead the man taking photos of tunnels, always, and staircases within the capitol

complex, as well as a number of congressional offices. that same man marched to the capital the very next day, although it's not clear if he was among those that actually breached the building, but in another video released by the committee, he threatens debt chromatic lawmakers. big >> we are coming in like white on rice. mad lure, schumer lead, even, you aoc. we are coming to take you out. we will pull you out by your hairs. how about that, pelosi? >> we're coming to take you out. that man has not yet been identified, but reports indicate that the january 6th committee has interviewed him. congressman loudermilk meanwhile has not agreed to the committee's request for an interview, but everything that we know at this point, we have to know whether loudermilk either knowingly or unknowingly assisted the radicalized mob and gathering intelligence

before the next day's bloodshed, which we all witnessed. joining me now is lead the congressman of illinois. house of intelligence committee. congressman, great to see you again. thanks for coming back on the show. let me start where we just ended. your reactions to one of your own. one of your colleagues. congressman loudermilk, possibly assisting, whether or knowingly or unknowingly, one of the rioters before the day -- before the day of the riot. >> i am very disturbed by what happened. i remember january 5th very well. the hallways were relatively clear. there was no public tours, and so to see people come in there and take pictures of staircases and security stations, and tunnels, is rather unusual. and i think that it really goes to a question of what were they doing their? i think that loudermilk and others need to explain themselves.

>> i was going to say i've been to the capitol, and i never took pictures of any of the tunnels where the staircases in and around the building. it's not the first thing you'd be taking pictures of if i was going to visit this landmark site. let's talk about this fourth hearing. the upcoming one, congressman. how import will it be to hear from these georgia officials? what would you want to hear from them directly about? >> i think it's going to be incredibly important. we are going to probably learn more information, just as we have throughout this hearings. secondly, we're going to be hearing from a republic. and i think it's very important, because we have a republican state official who is not some kind of liberal democrat casting his spurgeon sondland old trump or anyone else in the trump administration. and the third and probably the most important aspect of mr. raffensperger's testimony is further illuminating the issue

of whether donald trump possessed a corrupt intent with regards to his actions, and the illegal activities that he was pursuing big. i think that he knew exactly what he was doing. i think he knew when he asked brad raffensperger to find 11,870 votes, it is almost asking him to conjure up these votes. he knows that what he is doing is illegal, namely trying to overturn an election based on fictitious votes. i think that will further lay the foundation for big wet the doj needs to do after these hearings. >> let me ask you about these two men for a moment. brad raffensperger and gabriel sterling. they stood up to trump's pressure campaign. they obviously received a lot of praise for that, but despite acknowledging that there was no fraud in the 2020 election, both men, still supported voter restrictions and suppression, basically in their state. do you think we should let them off the hook for that? how do you explain it in a broader context of the republican party, that even in these moments where somebody like mike pence set up to the

president on january the 6th, and the rest of the time he's been basically bearing his hand in the sand and going along -- before the january 6th insurrection, the big lie, and everything else about january 6th since then. >> i think you raise a dilemma. it's a good point. i think on the other hand, i think that would he did with regards to the 2020 election was brave big. basically, explaining that the elections were free and fair in georgia. i think that where he has none since then, obviously, has been politically expedient. he managed to survive a primary against the trump backed candidate, and now he's in the general election in georgia for his current position lead. but overall, i think, for purposes of the hearing, we should be focused on what happened on january 6th and what happened with the 2020 election. and to that, the question i think mr. raffensperger is

especially well qualified to say, a, the election was free and fair, and donald trump knew it. and be, with donald trump was trying to do was illegal, and donald trump knew. >> i've got one last question for you, congressman. at the center of these hearings, and it's something we focus a lot on the show. radicalization and how he radicalize the mob, trump, that is. on january 6th and even before. what do you think of trump's top just last week or the other day about the possibility of pardoning the people who he radicalized to storm the capitol on january the 6th? >> i think that points to what are the choices coming up in the upcoming elections. do we want to have people who believe that the january 6th

rioters were engaging and with the rnc, the republican national committee calls legitimate political discourse, and do we want people to -- who would be supportive of donald trump who might pardon those who committed crimes on january 6th? the last point i would just make is people like john eastman and others who concocted the illegal scheme to overturn the election big knew that when they were doing was illegal, and the best evidence of it, or one of the best pieces of evidence that they sought a pardon for it. i think that goes to show you just the corrupt intent of the actors who were intimately part of the planning and the execution of january 6th. >> congressman, always a pleasure, sir. i greatly appreciate your time. >> thank you. happy father's day. >> thank, you sir. to you to, as well. an american radical coverage continues with a warning from the justice department about our easy access to guns, but first, just on which is here with the live headlines. hey, gigi. >> hi there, amen. here are some of the stop -- top stories we are watching. police investigating another

mass shooting, this one at a family barbecue incent antonio, texas. a vehicle killed by and shot 20 or 30 rounds. two people were killed. five others injured. the suspects are still at large. a veteran firefighter in philadelphia died saturday when a burning building collapsed. the crews put out the fire and inspected the building when it suddenly went down. the firefighter was identified as lieutenant sean williamson who had served 27 years in the department. apple in a maryland store has been unionized. it marks the first instance for any of apple's 270 plus stores nationwide. employees will join the international association of machinists and aerospace workers. more of a man coming up right after the break. stay with us. i'm gigi stonewood's.

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radical coverage, top judgment made a strong case that the link between easy access to guns and domestic violence is in arguable. it is, i think, in arguable that the access to powerful weapons in this country, it is divesting violent extremists carrying his hats on scale, they had they couldn't otherwise carry, out. and that we don't seen other countries. >> this comes as the former

justice charged with a mass shooting out 26 counts of federal hate crimes, and firearm violation, let's bring in our all-star sunday night penalty, miller, an msnbc political analyst, writer, at large for the bulwark and author of the upcoming book why we did it. a traveling from the republican road to hell. walls, is a national correspondent for the nation and dina isn't and msnbc host for this year's ascent, the dean -- it's great to have all three of you with us. tim, i'll start, with your reaction to the assistant tierney general for the nation's comment attorney there. >> i'd like to use the word in arguable, and it's hard to argue with that. it's still the case, it's not as if they were not domestic extremists in canada and, you know, other places around the world. and you know you've seen some of this. but on a lesser scale. particularly, in western countries that have are similar style government.

and so, in some ways we're looking to address this, the senate right now has red flag laws, that's not gonna stop organized investor groups like proud boys. it might stop the one-off terrorists, people who are radicalized -- in buffalo for example. if you combine having a 21 age limit bargains, red flag labs, that'll go a long way to stop that one. all racially motivated. killing but their guns are so much speculation here, and other countries i do think it's a big factor in the death toll sadly of these extremist events. joan, this was a pretty significant statement i would say. was pretty big for a doj official to say. this we never heard this from previous administrations. your thoughts on this? >> yeah, i think it's a lot of progress, it's progress now that we are considering

something like the buffalo racist massacre, domestic, we're not reserving that term for muslims, for other foreigners. we're seeing and saying, it's happening at home, we're seeing and saying that a lot of it is white supremacy. so, these things are positive that you know as tim said, this is an arguable, it's kind of the least surprising even as i praise him, and i praise the attention to this new development of white supremacy white supremacist violence. it's sort of not surprising at all, that the availability of these weapons of war, is has already made and it's going to make the surge much more deadly. >> dean, matthew olson said it's beyond dispute that the ability to obtain military grade weapons is a significant problem for law enforcement. watch.

>> it is beyond dispute that the ability of an individual to purchase a military grade weapon, an ar-15, and a clip back and hold a significant amount of annual mission. poses, a much more difficult challenge to law enforcement. >> i mean, i have to say it's pretty terrifying. it's grady saying it, it's terrifying. >> it certainly is. this administration, ayman, we remember when donald trump's answer to terrorism's call for a total shutdown of muslims coming to america. and when it comes to guns though republicans don't agree to anything, there's not gonna be a deal in the senate, that's not gonna happen, it's not gonna be meaningful. there's a video john cornyn being booed, the texas gop

convention as he talked about red flag logs, the christian from new york please get -- not running for reelection because he's the senators open to certain -- round of the gop he announced he's not running for reelection. and we talk about this like there's no solution, there's no remedy, it's beyond our power, that's not the truth. the congress can pass, things the republicans won't allow that to happen and it shows 40 poor for a free society, they're more except a law says and dealing makes that way to say lives with gun violence. >> tom, i want to show you this site lead to react to their own poll, this is a fox news poll showing that most americans actually support gun control. listen how senator leahy responded.

>> there is a lot of momentum at least along the public sphere, for doing this, are you at a step with your constituents? >> i understand i'll get popularity ratings when they don't define. them there is no universal definition of what an assault rifle is, very often the true distinction it really depends on whether they stop pieces of the diner made of wood or a plastic, or of composite. and so, that text as a matter here. >> i mean, basically mike lee saying his constituents are idiots here, that he's just saying they don't know guns, he no guns and that's why there are no they're talking about. >> you know, we said everybody else says and you need to know the difference between an are beloit 15 and all the different types of wrestles before you can support -- you know back since columbine,

it's ridiculous it's like -- the man heroin from the streets, you don't need to understand the difference between black tar, white heroin, you can just say that this is a weapon of war, this is deadly, this is something that should be on the streets, we should minute. and look, i think the best example is to show that what people like mike lee are doing is cowardly, and actually political in nature. it's not republican voters have shown that reasonable -- gun restrictions, they don't respond negatively, sure the extreme activities like the ones that booed concordia in, and the texas gop lack negatively but in florida, and rhonda santas is florida, rick scott signed a bill that did raise the age 21. there was no backlash among republican voters there, rick scott got promoted to the senate where now they're saying they're gonna vote against the very same laws that florida has in place. so, this is all cowardice among republican officials. in many cases, their scare of their own voters, the republican voters that are driving the extremism. in this case, that is not what's happening, republican politicians cowardice is preventing us from having common sense laws, republican voters are okay with certain common sense restrictions. maybe not everything to perfect not everybody wants. but certain things, republican

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why these attacks laid. nbc news ben collins reports that experiments, militias, and far-right personalities have latched campaigns aimed at shutting down trans rights events and drag performances all across the country. -- joins me now, along with that isn't the legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, paul butler. gentlemen, it's great to have you guys with. as walk me through the reporting here, how radically have attacks, rhetorical attacks, legislative attacks, and sadly physical attacks now escalated against clear people in this country over the past year? >> yeah, there's been over 300 new bells, introduced all throughout the country targeting the lgbtq community. since the start of the year, but that's not just that's, not all there. is the last month, alone

there's been 777 increase in conversations about drag rain story out on the right wing internet. drag queen story hour is drag queens, who are sometimes in libraries, in stores, places like that teaching age-appropriate books to others are getting targeting threats. you know, people even joking around -- that it should be taught the children, let that state senator i talked to in california. he couldn't return to his home without a bomb sniffing dog -- house first. so, that's a level with that we're at right. now this is the no hate object for the far-right. used to be things like crt, under the guise of protecting the children. and now, it's trans people and drag leans. >> paul, we saw these disturbing images last week of 31 white nationalist extremists stopped on the way to possibly disturb or even attack a pride event in idaho, what are prosecutors in law enforcement officers thinking here, now that this is our reality, and it's spreading fast, are they ready for the violence and the hate crime that seem inevitable to come with this wave that we're seeing explode across the

country? >> amen, i'm not sure they're already an idaho there was evidence at least 31 man were planning on violence and mayhem. they were found with riot shields, shin guards, and a smoke grenade. one of the witnesses said they look like a little army. they've been charged with conspiracy to riot, that's a misdemeanor, but this is a coordinated and planned scheme. most of the people that were arrested didn't come from idaho, so one question is whether the federal government needs to play a stronger role, the house has passed the domestic terrorism bill, which would set up offices in the department of homeland security, justice department, the fbi, to target homegrown threats. but a man, that bill -- republican opposition. >> then, you spent a lot of time looking at radicalization campaigns, ever seen one move as quickly as quickly and dangerously as this line against the lgbtq community? it's -- different topics as you said

crt, gay rights, now they're going after trans rights. it also seems the times man that they excel right from the corners of the internet, to actionable events like idaho, is shortened and condensed. >> i think the last time something like that happened this quickly was january 6th. the stop the steal rallies. it was a coordinated plan for a specific event that they knew was coming. it was january 6th. even the president at the time was pushing people to go to that event. it's not that different. the infrastructure. it's kind of set in stone. they have a whole procedure for this. they drove people to specific places. that was not just a patriot front where those people were arrested. the proud boys were there. adam --

another militant extremist group was there as well. they're trying to create these many super bowls for their hate events. that's what happened in charlottesville. it's sort of the first time they got this whole thing planned together. they're going to keep doing that, and since its pride month, there are more events that they can target. they don't have to set up events. they just have to go protests pacific places that already set up. >> if we see anti lgbtq violence escalate, is there any legal way to hold the biggest purveyors of hate accountable and, i'm thinking specifically of these conservatives with these huge platforms who spread the conspiracy theories, whether it's about humor's, or would have you. label queer people as pedophiles. >> yeah, so again, domestic terrorism laws, giving local law enforcement appropriate resources, but the problem outlined is that some of the actual hate is coming from lawmakers and politicians. this year there and to hundred

bills targeting lgbtq people that have been filed. these proposed laws would restrict lgbtq -- lgbtq topics in schools. -- get religious exemptions to discriminate against people. prevent people from receiving appropriate health care. texas is actually considering a bill to draw at -- ban drag shows in the presence of minors. when you combine that with the very conservative supreme court that may set its sights on hard -- after it overturned roe v. wade, the lgbtq community is not only under attack from the vigilantes and hate groups, many communities dug, these attacks are coming from lawmakers and elected officials. >> paul butler, ben collins, thanks for it to the both of you. i still ahead, shedding a light on maternal health disparities in america. how overturning roe v. wade could actually change

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since the enslaved men and women of galveston texas learned where they were free. as president biden wrote in the series proclamation on the holiday, we are freshly reminded that the poisonous ideology of racism has not yet been defeated. it only hides. the ugly legacy of slavery and systemic racism permeates every aspect of our society to this day, and that includes health care. america, black women are three times likely to die as a result of a pregnancy as white women. with the supreme court poised to overturn roe versus wade, like advocates are racing to overturn health disparities to get even worse. the black women's health imperative warns that that expected decision will have life-altering ramifications for all americans, but especially black women. here to discuss this is linda color blunt, the president and

ceo of the black women's health imperative. thank you so much for joining us, linda. i appreciate your time. i want to start by reading a bit more of your organizations statement on the leaked supreme court draft opinion. in part, it reads quote, roe has given black women the bodily autonomy's we've been historically been denied. as we gather to mark this day of freedom for black americans, how does it feel that black women's reproductive freedom is now in jeopardy? >> well, thank you for having me, ayman, and it is really scary. it's an incredible step backwards. black women for years have been fighting for bodily autonomy, the right to make the best health care decisions for themselves and their families, and now that is at risk. you mention the terrible mortality rates that already exist. but if roe is reversed, a study from duke just found that maternal mentality would probably increase 33% for black women. 21% overall for all women. it would be more pregnancy

complications. more deaths due to these complications. and what's going to happen is black women will be thrown in poverty. you could expect poverty rate to increase by 15%, on air looking at literal deaths from despair. this would be terrible for black women, women of color and low income women. >> talk to me a little bit about your organization and what you are doing to try and and preparation, if this decision does in fact get overturned, or is expected to commit as we think it might, what are you doing to try to help alleviate the pain that would come with it? >> well, for now we are making sure that black women and women of color know that abortion is still legal, and they are entitled to make that choice. when roe false, we will make sure that black women know where they can get abortions. it's important to know that

when roe is overturned, abortion is not and anywhere. it becomes a state issue. there will be states who still offer abortion. so we've got to make sure that black women and women of color know where those states are. we also have to look at some extra legal approaches, medication abortion, and ways to get these kinds of medications to black women and women of low income. and of course we need to raise money for abortion funds. much of this has to do with income, and if you can't scrape together $400, it's going to be tough to scrape together $400 to pay for an abortion. we have to raise money for abortion funds, and of course make sure that black women and all women understand how important it is to vote, particularly state elections, because we need people at the state level as well as the federal level who understand and believe that a woman should have a right to make the best health decision for herself, and those are the people who

need to be an elective office. >> linda, there may be folks out there watching today, women in particular, black women, women of color who are watching this. what is your message to women watching at home who may be scared about what is to come in the weeks and months ahead? >> doug i understand. i, too, am afraid. again, it's important for them to know what they are entitled to and where they are entitled to getting abortions, and understanding with the appropriate messaging is. what are the things we are concerned about also is when impact they could have on contraception access. ivs, plan b, are being touted as abortifacient, that they're not. we need to make sure that black women and women of color understand the facts. we will be doing that. it will be on our website. black rj dot or. and they need to be coming back to keeup with where we are in protecting their, rights in terms of getting access to

getting abortion care or contraception care, and joining us in this fight. we have got to double down on this like we never have before, so that black women don't lose their lives, so that they're not thrown into poverty. that they can have a future. >> just yet one more example of the pre-show disparities that exist in our society and our health care system. impacting black people and black women in this country. linda, thank you so much for your time. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> still ahead, democrats in swing states are taking a major risk out of the midterms, and it could help their chances or spell disaster. we will explain that next. only two things are forever: love and liberty mutual customizing your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. if anyone objects to this marriage... (emu squawks) kevin, no! not today. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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republican primary. and if those extremist candidates when those primaries, they'll be easier in the november general election. making the contrast between themselves in the more extreme candidates, that much more apparent for the voters. back with me right now, our sunday night panel, jeanne, let me get your thoughts on that. saw the democrats that are pushing not necessarily pushing our promoting, but wanting to see these far-right republicans win, are they playing with fire? >> first of all, ayman, our than iron fire right republicans that i don't know about, their god. >> good. point >> and yet the entire gop, with they are folks, cities gop is no longer -- it's a white nationalist fascist movement at -- the law of the land. when i screamed fascist, academically, because they've been braced violets. i wish more in the media and democrats would talk about

recent polls showing nearly 60% of republicans, in january six, cbs poll, not as an act of terrorism act defending freedom. over 100 election buyers, have won the gop primaries this year. so, not saying they're reasonable republicans, the reasonable taliban member, they're all extremists, let's be blunt about. it democrats should be spending money to brand the gop across the nation as the party of white nationalist and fascism. >> down, let's play devils advocate here for a moment. is this the best way for democrats to win that sees inflation so high and biden's approval, struggling to say the least. >> yeah, i agree with dean, most republicans are fascists and not most, but many are fascists. we're dealing with a white nationalist party increasingly. but i don't think this is the best use for resources. i think partly it's what you said people are worried about inflation, there's other issues, and it's playing with fire.

i mean, we don't know who could be elected, who's the most extreme the, clinton campaign was reportedly looking forward to running against donald trump. because they thought they can beat him, we know that didn't happen, i don't feel like i could say for example, that doug mastery auto, in pennsylvania can be elected governor. i hope he's not. but he went to the january 6th insurrection, he seems way to exclaim -- it can take the risk, as you say democrats have a lot more stuff to do, and figure out who's the most extreme, in the republican party. >> so, joan, tim, brings up the case of doug mastery adele, let me ask you that, -- they actually singled out doug mask rialto during his primary race for governor in

pennsylvania. mastriano's infants -- for lying about the 2020 election. on january six insurrection, rallied before wednesday, these are candidates to be elevated, are they playing with fire? >> yeah, ayman, i think they are. i think it's bad karma, it's incorrect for dean to say every republican is all alabama an, and fascist. i think it's unhelpful rhetoric, and not true. look, people can be bad and not be the taliban. i think if we looked at pennsylvania governor's race for example, doug -- specifically the definition of a christian nationalist, he was there on january 6th trying to storm the capitol. having him versus having somebody who kind of pretends to go along with maga, you know there's two bad choices, i think that mastriano mastriano, it's clearly at worst points -- and totally reasonable guy,

running a good campaign and a wave year who knows with the federate going up with inflation in a wave year with a bad economy to have dug mastriano in office all over the country is extremely dangerous. and so, look, i think the democrats strategies -- the win these races. but i do think that they're playing with fire, in some of these cases. i think it's bad karma. and i think we need to learn from 2016, where there was a democratic fashion who thought that we should run against donald trump, donald trump would be easy to be. let's try to help donald trump. we all saw how that turned. out i think we need to be a little bit more careful, and be able to tell the difference between baton existentially dangerous. >> yeah, i was gonna say you took the words out of my mouth, i was gonna ask joan about. it about 2016, the lessons learned, should that be i guess a lesson learned from democrats

who thought that they had a better chance against somebody like trump, look how that turned out. >> yeah, i do. i think it's a lesson learned it should be a lesson learned, and going forward i'm not sure it was a lesson learned. you know, but i do feel like there are so many more things for democrats to be doing. also, you know, trashing people who voted for impeachment for example, i think that's terrible caught karma, as tim says, we wish more than ten republicans would vote for to impeach donald trump. and running ads, haunting them for the vote, i have a problem with that too. maybe i'm too kind hearted, i don't know. -- are you laughing at that, time? >> i'm with you. i'm laughing in like yes, same. maybe we're just too soft and

soft and squishy, joan, were too much alike. >> i was gonna say, you guys are not coming out for american politics if you're too kind or not. maybe i'm taking a slightly different approach, dean i mean give you a chance to respond since you were -- named by. tammy notably all republicans are like the taliban. but i do understand the analogy about the extremists shift. >> yes, it's a movement. are there people in the movement, that don't agree with it,? sure here is what i would say, the republicans if you don't agree with the extremists, then speak out so, where the republicans speaking out? why don't i see them on television, announcing the white math denouncing turning their religious beliefs, denouncing january six, i only see those people defending it. and the rest are silent. so, -- they're silent because they disagree, or they're silent because deep down the actually

agree. these to tell us as muslims, if we don't speak out, we're gonna zoom you agree with it. until a -- denouncing donald trump [inaudible] i'm in a believer down with it, because that's when you do to my community as a muslim america. that's the way that i look at it, tim. >> tim, i was gonna say not to pile on here. but just to say, i don't know, you can correct me if i'm wrong. i don't know if any republican who's running on and by trumpism -- and winning, in a major break. it's either a trump single sank, is someone who's fully on the trump wagon. and part of the cult of personality, or you're a trump idealogue, which means you're like a glenn youngkin, who i will necessarily mention it by name, who embraces the -- i'm done with this part of the body but i could still win this race. >> yeah, no pylon i think that [laughs] gains right. -- >> i just don't understand the point of that.

david -- brad raffensperger, to people set up to primaries but obviously they're few and far between, i think they're looking at this question is if you're looking at a field and you've got [laughs] [inaudible] in the primary, and then ultra maga i literally want to enter democracy and overturn it and turn it into. . a over the trump light person, in a bad year where you can wave that person. i don't really like that strategy, okay. to me that makes sense back in 2012, when -- trying to get caught in again. for his opponents, that one democracy wasn't a threat. i understood that, and it's smart for car to do. that i think the stakes are too high, i'm not saying i like trump, that's bad but i think you need people to tell the difference between bad and extremely extremely dangerous. and not try to help the extremely extremely dangerous person, you know despite the bad. person that's not a good strategy for the democrats. it's not to say that's not to defend the republican party. >> yeah, i completely agree

with you i think it's bad karma. i think he put that energy out there just ash -- i can beat him, i disagree with you on the karma side of it that i just don't think it's good. gentlemen, final thought here on this. the way the democrats should be campaigning, aside from who they're going up again, should be -- we have 45 seconds >> i think they should be talking about the good things that the biden administration, and democrats have done, we've got lauren albert today who's asking for infrastructure money, she voted against the bill. there's so much i bureaucracy, on the other hand, they cannot act like anything sunny, we're in a tough time and inflation is pinching, but i also agree with dean, i don't think they can afford to totally ignore, the party becoming a white nationalist party, they can't ignore calling out there and potent on whether they support -- joe biden the president, do you support violent insurrection.

and i think they need to brand their opponents where they have them, and where they've been elected by a republican primary. -- and call them out for. and i think you, needs a whole kitchen table issues, ayman, but you need attention to this issue of democracy. >> my personal feeling, final thought, you have a choice between pro democracy and anti-democracy, and i promise you if we lose our democracy, the inflation is gonna be the least of our problem if some of these anti-democratic forces take over our country, tim miller, joan walsh, dean obeidallah, thank you for closing out the shell. greatly increases your insights into. tim, thank you for letting us pylon you my friend >> anytime >> thank you for making time for us, catch a man back on msnbc saturdays at eight and sundays at nine, and stream new original episodes on friday on peacock, follow us on twitter

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