victory there. congressman adam schiff, a member of the committee, says they want to hear from ginni thomas, wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas, about her role in trying to overturn the 2020 election. here's what congressman schiff had to say about ginni thomas over the weekend -- >> we want to know what she knows, what her involvement was in this plot to overturn the election. she has said that she is willing to come in and testify voluntarily. we're glad to hear that. >> joining us, nbc's ali vitali, vaughan hilliard live in illinois. jacqueline alemany reporter and msnbc contributor and former democratic senator doug jones of alabama. ali, what more can you tell us about what we expect to take place in tomorrow's hearing? >> reporter: tomorrow is going to be a hearing led by congressman adam schiff, the man who you saw there talking before. he's going to lead in the same way that we've seen other congresswomen and men lead

before, zoe lofgren leading that second hearing and pete auilar talking about the pressure campaign on mike pence. this will focus on the pressure campaign at the state level. they're going to use, as you mentioned, lawmakers from georgia to make that point. of course, that's one of the key states that we know that former president trump was pressuring election officials to overturn the election results or at least, in his words, find the overrule 11,000 votes that he would need in order to win georgia, which he actually lost. they're also likely to delve deeper into the idea of fake slates of electors. that's something that john eastman was pressuring former vice president mike pence on. we heard about that last week. but now we may hear a little bit more about the plots at the state level beyond just georgia that the white house and his allies were using at the time to try to find any way to keep the former president in power. >> and vaughan, former vice

president mike pence on the campaign trail today. what are we expecting to hear from him? >> reporter: we've got to take the political ramifications, all of this into account. why? because now it's about 18 months since the january 6th insurrection. if you fast forward 18 months from now, you're looking at the iowa caucus for the gop nomination for president for 2024. and that is why you have seen the former vice president leave open the door to his own potential 2024 run. even in a potential showdown against donald trump. he is here today in illinois, he's giving an economic address in chicago here this afternoon before making his way to peoria, illinois, tonight for a county gop activist dinner in which he will deliver a speech. we are seeing him attend similar events. these sort of low key, traditional gop activist events around the country, from iowa to illinois. as the former president potentially faces federal prosecution for the events

related to the january 6th insurrection, pence on the other hand, his office wholly complied with the january 6th select committee's request. his former advisers and aides, each of them subpoenaed agreed to testify. you saw it laid out on thursday a pressure campaign against the former vice president to help overturn the election. now as it comes to the former vice president, he has been much less vocal. he has noted that it would be un-american to suggest that one man could decide the outcome of a presidential election. he has said that he didn't see eye to eye on january 6th with the former president. at the same time, he has consistently at events like the one we anticipate here tonight in illinois laid out that he was the right hand to donald trump's administration for the course of those four years when it came to policy and where they ultimately -- no longer saw eye to eye was the events of january 6th. the former vice president, as hearings unfold, has tried to remain politically relevant and keep the door open to his own potential 2024 run.

>> thank you so much. jackie, in your latest piece you outline how the committee has information that ginni thomas e-mailed with john eastman who played a key role in the effort to block the victory. what have you learned? >> emails have revealed that ginni thomas' involvement with the scheme to overturn the results of the election is wider than previously reported. and that the committee has received new information in recent weeks that has made them reassess whether or not they're going to call ginni thomas in to voluntarily speak with the committee and whether or not they're going to actually potentially focus on her in any of these hearings and explore the role that she was playing. my colleague, emma brown, has previously reported that ginni was sending emails to state legislatures in arizona. it's unknown yet whether or not she was pressuring any other state legislators in battleground states. but these emails showed that she was advocating for the elector strategy and trying to convince

state legislatures to go along with the plan that john eastman was pushing to state legislatures, as well, and lawmakers on capitol hill. it's quite possible that this is a theme that we're going to potentially see tomorrow in the hearings. but it's still unknown whether or not they're actually going to name drop ginni thomas as we saw in the letter that they sent to ginni last week from the committee asking her to come in to provide an interview that they made clear she is not the focus of their investigation, but essential to trying to understand the full scope of what was actually going on in the months leading up to january 6th. >> senator, what are you going to be looking at at tomorrow's hearings? >> there's a couple of things i think are going to be very important. remember, this committee is doing a pretty remarkable job of connecting the dots. they're buildings the case as a trial lawyer would build a case in front of them and telling a

story. i think the state effort -- the effort to undermine the state is very critical. we've already heard testimony regard bogus effort try to get mike pence to overturn the election. we've heard jeffrey clark trying to do things, get things sent back. now we're going to find out why they were so anxious in washington, d.c., and in the white house to do that. it's because people like raffensperger in georgia and others across the country did everything -- they did their job and had a safe and secure election. this is going to connect those dots as to the motive. it's going to provide that basis. that's why the people were so frantic in washington, d.c. the second thing i want to do -- i really want to hear from the secretary of state in georgia about the phone call. there's a lot of spin going on about that phone call, lot of people think that that is a clearly a crime, good defense lawyers would argue otherwise.

it's going to be interesting to hear what his take on that was. was he -- did he feel like the president -- former president was trying to get him to commit a crime, or was he just pressuring him to do yet another audit, to do something to, quote, just find 11,000 votes. his testimony and his top adviser is going to be very interested on that one particular phone call, as well as what they did to make sure that their vote, that what they were certifying, was accurate. >> interesting. and jackie, your colleague rosalind hellerman has a report out this morning giving a look at how the trump campaign put together their fraudulent plan to use fake electors. how could this work into the committee's investigation? >> yeah. my colleague ros hellerman does a deep dive that reconstructs the various meetings and emails and documents that were circulated and conducted in the lead up to january 6th to try to

implement this elector strategy. i think that where we're going to see this play into the hearing tomorrow is we're going to see them focusing once again on the shifting internal arguments over whether or not this scheme was unconstitutional or illegal as we've seen in previous hearings with the committee trying to establish intent. for example, the committee really owning in on whether or not trump knowingly was prop gating false claims of election fraud and then the hearing before that about, you know, this idea that all of these actions that were taken by trump and his co-conspirators were deliberate despite knowing that they were illegal. and i think that the committee has obtained emails, as my colleague roz laid out, that showed that john eastman, the constitutional law professor who really came up with this legal coup, that showed that eastman went back and forth on whether

or not this alternate scheme of electors would be quote/unquote dead in congress or not. and his reasoning at one point that was no state legislature had acted tovert few them as -- to certify them as valid. they're going to hone in on those arguments there that show that potentially john eastman knowingly charged ahead with this -- this, again, legal coup despite knowing it was unconstitutional and potentially criminal. >> and senator, the committee says it's now cooperating with the justice department, with their requests for interview transcripts. as a former u.s. attorney, what do you make of what we know about attorney generals' handling of the investigations so far? >> well, candidly, we don't know as much as people would like to know. the justice department does things in a completely different world. and it does things more in secret with the grand jury. the fact that they are asking for transcripts i think shows

that they are really progressing and moving forward to look at all manner and means. and all -- all different kinds of potential criminal activity. the thing i think folks need to realize is that it just takes time. that so much of what we're seeing in the january 6th committee cannot be used as evidence in a criminal court. you've got to build on that in a different way so that all constitutional rights of anyone who is charged with a crime are protected. there's still a ways to go with the department. i think people need to be a little bit patient. but i also think this, jose, i believe this strongly, i think we're getting too obsessed with whether or not the justice department should indict the former president. we need to hold him accountable. we can hold him accountable at the ballot box. that's where we're going to save democracy. it's not going to be in a criminal court but the trump enablers. we've got to hold him accountable at the ballot box

this november. >> doug jones, jackie, ali, thank you so much for being with us this morning. turning now to texas where the state gop approved a sire -- series of far right platforms over the weekend. top of their list, declaring biden's 2020 victory against trump illegitimate. joining us from texas, nbc's morgan chesky. what more can you tell us about this? >> reporter: good morning. this was an interesting meeting. it was the first in-person meeting for the texas gop since 2018 with past meetings being canceled due to the pandemic. about 9,000 delegates were invited to come to houston, hear about the party's upcoming platform, vote on what they thought would be important for the texas gop party to believe in going forward. we know about 5,000 people showed up. and just to set the stage for what this entailed and kind of what the reception was, texas senator john cornyn, we have

video, in fact, of him at that event over the weekend, was booed when he took the stage there in houston, jose, because members there thought that he went too far by making a bipartisan deal regarding this latest gun reform legislation that went through. those members there making it clear that any negotiation whatsoever with democrats was a step too far, at least in their eyes. now you mentioned this party platform that members there voted on. i still believe the final votes are being tallied as to where the texas gop stands as it relates to this platform. but i want to go through the key points that you mentioned that they voted on as part of this platform. one, requiring texas students to learn about the humanity of the pre-born child including teaching that life begins at fertilization. they also wanted to amend the texas constitution to remove the legislators' power to regulate the wearing of arms with a view to prevent crime. essentially taking away the texas legislators' ability to

make any sort of regulation regarding firearms. they also want to treat homosexuality as an abnormal lifestyle choice, and that is language that was not included in the 2018 or 2020 party platforms, that would have changed the u.s. constitution and repealed the 16th amendment of 1913 which created the federal income tax, essentially doing away with that. and they would like it declare all businesses and jobs as essential and a fundamental right, and that, of course, would be a response to covid-19 mandates by texas cities that required customers to wear masks and limited business hours. this of course, this platform, jose, that's drawn so much scrutiny over the last several days is more of a mission statement than legally or legislatively binding. however, it does essentially show how far right the texas gop has gone. we do know that texas governor greg abbott was there prior to the weekend, but he was not actually speaking there over the weekend. and i think a key quote that came out of this event, jose, tax that sticking with a lot of

people is that of sid miller, the texas agricultural commissioner, who says that essentially this is no longer a fight between democrats or republicans, this is a fight between patriots and traitors. jose? >> morgan chesky in dallas, thank you so much. coming up, can you recession-proof your life? my next guest says there are practical steps you can take to protect your money as more experts warn of a potential recession. plus, why ukrainian president zelenskyy says he expects russian attacks to intensify this week. a live report from bucha, ukraine. ukraine.

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18 past the hour. right now americans are facing a whole series of economic problems from higher mortgage rates, skyrocketing gas prices, higher grocery bills. this new piece in "the

washington post" details some of the ways you can protect your finances through these troubled economic times. here's one key piece of advice, quote, feel what you feel, but don't make irrational moves based on your fear. if you react before thinking long term about a financial move, you could make things worse. joining us now is michelle singletary, a columnist at the "washington post." great seeing you. so for people looking to make a major purchase like a home or a car, what should they know? >> so i always start with how much debt are you carrying. right now, if you've got a lot of credit card debt or even student loan debt, even if it's on pause, i would back off from a major purchase, particularly since we're not quite sure where the economy's going. we could be heading for a recession, if not already in one. and i just wouldn't add that debt to my balance sheet right now. and i know people want to buy a home and they just they hear

homeownership homeownership, but at the right time. and if you are struggling or you're going to squeak into that house, i'm going to need you to pull back a little bit so that you have some cushion just in case the economy gets worse than it is right now. >> and you know, cushion is such an important word that so many people don't have. for populations that are financially vulnerable, those living paycheck to paycheck, those who are undocumented, what can they do? >> so you know, obviously if you are an american citizen, try to apply for whatever resources are there for you. and honestly, one of the biggest areas on people's budget expense is housing. and so if you can double up, triple up, if you got a kid coming out of college or they've graduated already and may be thinking about getting an apartment, stay home. this is the way you're going to be able to reduce some of your

costs. i'm a big believer in shared housing. right now in my house, downstairs and upstairs and in another room are my three young adults in their 20s by design. we encouraged them once they all graduated from college to come home and stay so they can save that rent so when they launch they'd be in a better position. for many families, that is where you're going to have the biggest savings in your budget. >> and michelle, so what about people that are looking ahead to retirement or are up for it? you know shortly, what do they need to know about how to make these decisions in this kind of climate? >> you know, the thing about it is we hear people say don't panic, don't packic. you know -- don't panic. you know what, go ahead and do that. don't act on that. and so -- i had a column about the seven things that you can do right now, talking about the bear market. the markets aren't open today, but tomorrow everybody's going to be like -- listen, if you've

got years to go, don't do anything. in fact, the bear market is an opportunity for you to practice dollar cost averaging. when you have a set amount you put in the market on a regular basis, let the market do what it does. i have not looked at my retirement portfolio for weeks because i don't want to be scared. and that's what you should do. don't look, don't look. just hang tight. if you have a diversified portfolio, which you should have, and if you know -- if you don't wait until the market settles down and then rebalance. if you are in retirement and you are pulling money out, pull out the least amount that you need so that you don't lock in too many losses. and then when things straighten out, i'm going to need you to make sure you have one to two years worth of cash sitting on the side so if something like this happens again you don't have to pull from your portfolio until things settle down. i get it, right. it's a really scary time. but don't act on your fear.

feel what you need to feel, but don't do anything reckless. >> and michelle, i stay with so much of what you've given us, information that's so valuable, including it's okay to scream sometimes if that's how you feel when you open up that 401(k) or whatever you're face, it's okay to scream but don't act on those screams. >> that's right. >> great seeing you -- >> i know people are worried about what's happening at the pump and all that. they're a part of the population that we talked about that are going to struggle to put three meals on the table. i get that. if you are not in that position, i need you just to calm down and realize that you are still doing well. i know the market is -- i know gas is crazy, but over the last two years, if you were in the market, you did really well. and so just remember that, that you don't have to panic. >> yeah. that's -- you're right, if

you're fortunate enough to be able to have money to play in the market. but you're right, through 401(k)s. i'm glad we bring that up because of the folks living paycheck to paycheck that have to look at the price of gasoline going up on a daily basis and they use their car or truck to have a livelihood. you know, those -- price of diesel has been, you know, going up and up and up. michelle, thank you for that. great seeing you. i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. let's look at live pictures out of delaware where president biden, there you see him, spending the juneteenth holiday on the beach. he'll be heading back to the white house later this evening. next, a growing humanitarian crisis in ukraine. mariupol's mayor says, listen to this, 100,000 people in his city still do not have access to running water. and they're on the verge of death. 100,000. we'll get the latest from ukraine. ine. welcome to your world.

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for ukraine. zelenskyy says he expects russia to intensify attacks on the european commission voting this week on the next step in welcoming ukraine to the eu. right now, intense fighting continues in ukrainian's east as russian missile strikes a ukrainian fuel storage depot according to the regional administrator. in mariupol, more than 100,000 people do not have access to drinking water, according to the city's mayor. joining us now, nbc news correspondent el secretary of state -- ellison barber. and msnbc political analyst. ellison, what more can you tell us about the humanitarian situation right now in ukraine? >> reporter: it's incredibly challenging. and as you go further and further east, the challenges just build and build and build. this right here is a reminder of just all of the infrastructure, civilian infrastructure that has been destroyed in this war. you can see kind of back there

bits of green. that's what's left of shopping carts. this used to be a supermarket, a place where people could buy groceries that is now gone which means it's harder for people in this community to access food. and in places further east, aid groups can't get in because shelling is so intense. there are over 500 people trapped underneath a plant. among them, 38 children. officials have said there is no safe way right now to get to them or to evacuate them. in mariupol, there are 100,000 people still living there. that area is now controlled by russian forces. the ukrainian mayor of that city, he says those 100,000 people do not have access to clean drinking water. he says russian occupiers are only giving civilians their access to water once a week, and they often have to wait up to eight hours just to get that

water. in spite of all of the challenges, though, there are humanitarian aid groups still making every effort they can to get to people who need help the host most. we were able to follow one of those groups, an american organization called convoy of hope. we followed them from poland to ukraine. here's some of our report. how risky is the journey to get aid to eastern ukraine? >> very risky. >> reporter: a drive of check points on a route we can't show you because doing so could make a risky drive deadly. have you had any instances where a truck is trying to get in somewhere and they've been attacked, shelled, or anything along those lines? >> yes. and that's where we get requests for things like bulletproof vests, for helmets just for the drivers to be safe. >> reporter: who are the drivers you're working with? >> ukrainian people. >> reporter: in this war and also in syria russia has a

history of honoring so-called green corridors that allow humanitarian aid to get to people in places like mariupol, people who really need it the most. but even with the risks, even with the constraints and the limitations to get aid inside, drivers, ukrainian truck drivers are literally risking their lives every single day to take whatever they can to people in these hard-hit areas. jose? >> thank you very much. rick, nato's secretary general said over the weekend that the world should be prepared that the war in ukraine could take years. what does that mean for the u.s.? >> well, jose, it's a dispiriting remark, but i think it's an accurate one. we have always been hoping i think that it would end early with a ukrainian victory. but in terms of what we're seeing in the east in particular, this is a grind 'em down, world war i-style battle

that's, you know, features russian brutality as we just saw in that piece. and what it means, of course, is that we can't turn our attention away. this is one of the things that vladimir putin is banking on. the longer the war goes on, the more the west will get interested and distracted by other things. the less that we'll supply weapons and money to ukraine. so i don't think we can be distracted. i mean, what he's counting on it's more important to him than it is to us. >> yeah. and you know, i just think of the parallels with world war i. fighting for months over almost like inches of territory, thousands of people dying on a weekly basis, just to try and expand that border area or that bit of land. i'm just thinking, rick, is there something that we in the west could be doing or even

changing our way of focusing on things when this could be something that could take years? >> yes. that's -- that is the question, jose. in some ways, we've been behind the curve in terms of supplying the ukrainians with what they need, with the weapons they need, and as you point out -- it's a world war i-style battle which we forget has been fought for the last eight years in the donbas region. that started in 2014. so i think we have to think about what will this look like a year or two years from now, and can we do the things we need to do. again, you know, the russians have amassed a gigantic amount of artillery on the eastern region. what can we give the ukrainians to help them resist that, what they're trying to do now. anti-artillery weapons -- we gave an extra $1.2 billion.

we have to start thinking what are the things we need to do six months from now, a year from now, and start doing them now. >> yeah. and i'm thinking how easily the world forgot, for example, how the situation continues to be so difficult in syria or in libya. i mean, so many places where there is government change or some movement and then there is this battle that continues and for many just forgotten. germany's economy minister said yesterday the country will limit the use of gas for electricity due to the concerns of potential shortages after russia reduced the amount of gas it supplies to germany. how can the u.s. keep the western alliance united as people around the world face the costs of this war? >> yes. it's difficult. i'm glad you mentioned germany and the syrian crisis because that was an earlier version of what putin is doing in ukraine now. what he did in syria in 2013 and

2014, the same indiscriminate bombing. and refugees -- germany brought in almost two million syrian refugees after that russian bombing, and putin was head coaching that would destabilize germany just the way the refugees from ukraine he's hoping will destabilize poland and the other countries on ukraine's borders. so again, the west has to continue to be resolute. we have to start helping those nations like poland that have incurred billions of dollars of extra costs and supporting -- generously supporting ukrainian refugees. we have to kind of start early a kind of marshall plan for this part of europe and ukraine in particular. >> always great to see you. i thank you for your time. up next, senators have just four work days before the july 4th recess. is that enough time to get a deal together on new gun legislation? we'll get the latest on the negotiations that are apparently going well.

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40 past the hour. the pressure is on congress following more gun violence over the weekend. this time right here in our nation's capital where one teen was killed, three injured after a shooting at a concert that did not have permits. all of this bringing more urgency to the senate talks over gun violence prevention legislation with three sources telling nbc news that the full bill could be released -- in its entirety -- as early as today. joining us is punchbowl co-founder john bresnahan. our capitol hill team is hearing they're 98% there? >> yeah. they're getting there. they're pretty close. now there was a hang-up last week, they had hang-ups over a couple of issues, one was the so-called boyfriend loophole. whether they could keep guns out

of the hands of domestic abusers who are romantically involved with a victim but not married or, you know, just dating. and then there was the issue about how do they funnel some federal money to states that have crisis intervention programs but not red flag laws. there was some hang-up on that. looks like they got it worked out over the weekend. we reported this morning they were back on track. you guys are saying this bill could be coming today. not sure today, early tomorrow. but there is some hope that they can get this bill done the end of the week. i don't think that will happen. i don't think they'll get it through the senate by the end of the week. but they -- they potentially could get it going if they wanted to stay longer, they could. they're supposed to leave for july 4th. >> right. so -- so there's a possibility that they could just write it, essentially send it out there, and yet not have a vote on it until after the summer break?

>> it depends. the senate -- the procedure is so arcane, but technically it could take, you know -- if -- it depends on how they start it, how it procedurally starts. it would take several days to do this. there would have to be several procedural votes. there will be a filibuster of this bill from republicans. there is enough support from other republicans and all the democrats, all 50 senate democrats, to overcome that. but there will be some kind of filibuster. the question is, you know, will the opponents of this bill, will they waive the procedural hurdles, it's not clear that they will. they could potentially, and this would be an important vote before the july 4th recess. again, that would still have to go to the house, but we could see the house coming back early and voting and taking this up

early. >> john brosnahan, thank you so much for being with us this morning. appreciate it. as lawmakers continue to work on that anti-gun violence measure, the community in uvalde, texas, is still looking for answers. nearly one month after a gunman opened fire at robb elementary school murdering 19 children and two teachers. right now the state's uvalde school shooting investigatory committee is convening and speaking with members of the police department there. but not on the witness list today, uvalde school police chief pete arredondo. joining us now with more on this is texas state senator roland gutierrez, a friend of this broadcast. state senator, thank you for being with us. you spent time with members of the community at a wellness and resource fair over the weekend. how is your community doing? >> well, you know, thank you, jose. i mean, there's still -- they're still hurting, still grieving, but trying to move on. one of the families of the

victims was there, i met with them. you know, we're going to get through this, but we'll never be able to forget. all of those families will -- the only thing they have to look forward to is a duller sense of pain in years to come. but we're going to -- we're going to remain strong and be there for them. >> what do you know, senator, about the hearings and the investigation by texas lawmakers? >> well, my concern is that you've got a republican and a democrat in the house of representatives doing the hearing along with the retired judge or former judge. to me that's really not very much openness, if you will, all of it being done in closed doors. i asked one of my democratic colleagues if we were going to get a report in eight weeks like had been originally mentioned to me. he said probably not. so i've got a concern about that. there again, i notice that there was a tweet on some potential

witnesses -- this is the first time we hear from dps today. i don't know why they don't have a more prominent role in this investigative aside. what i'm tired of is different agencies pointing the finger at one another. i think that we all know in the united states that there was failure at every law enforcement level here. at some point we need to get to the sheer bottom of it and have the law enforcement tell us exactly what happened without the means of this third group, this investigative body which i don't know -- i don't fully trust is going to give us all the answers that we need. >> senator, you know, we cannot and will not lose our focus and shine a light on the families of those 19 children that were killed at robb elementary and the two teachers that lost their lives along with their students. are those families still being taken care of? are there -- how are they doing,

and is there anything that needs to be done further? >> well, jose, i asked permission from one of the families, i said i've been talking about you and haven't asked if it's okay to -- and it was a family of jacqueline gossett. they said, you can talk about our little girl any time. and i spoke to mr. and mrs. gossett, they said their daughter, their older daughter, she wants to activate and have a rally back home. she want to have a march for our lives rally. she wants help in doing that. you know, mom and dad are being tough as they can for their other children. they're grieving. i mean, they've lost their little girl. as you can imagine. i don't think any of us can really imagine what that feels like. and so we're going to -- they want to be part of solutions, and they want policymakers that have real solutions in mind. they don't want to hear lip

service. they want to have people that are out there trying, and so i'm trying to do that. and it's my hope that we can get republicans in the legislature to be part of the solutions and not part of the problem. >> state senator gutierrez, thank you for being with us. appreciate your time. moments ago president biden talked to reporters in delaware about the negotiations in the senate for new gun laws. here's part of what he had to say. >> well, i'm confident that they've done -- this there's a serious, serious negotiation that's very close to coming to fruition. it depends on whether or not particularly republicans have the courage to stay with -- i'm sorry. but look, i'm also very proud of some of the states. like right here in delaware. they're passing --

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princeton university. shaq, how are people celebrating juneteenth in chicago? >> reporter: well, you're seeing more serious commemorations for juneteenth. we're at the free museum, this is a $30 ticket under normal circumstances. they have panel discussions focused on the issues of slavery and reconstruction so folks can learn about the holiday. over the course of the weekend, not just here in chicago, by the way, you saw from coast to coast big celebrations. we're talking about parades. we're talking about music festivals. i attended a big festival hosted by chance the rapper. i want you to hear what folks there thought why they're celebrating and why they think a federal holiday is so important. listen here. >> it's been so long for people to acknowledge this. this is only the second year. you need to have those conversations. it's uncomfortable it's true, it's uncomfortable. slavery was uncomfortable, we

need to talk about it. >> reporter: the idea sparking new conversations more people are learning about juneteenth, it was two years after the emancipation proclamation after many of thousands of people in galveston, texas, got that information. 60% of americans say they are a lot or have some familiarity with juneteenth and what it means. that's up from about 37 percent, jose, just last year. >> yeah, professor perry, i want to read a quote from an nbc story published yesterday. quote, the impulse when it comes to many holidays is to focus more on the bright side which in this case is epans makes, freedom, which lends itself to celebrations and commemorative products. by doing so brushes aside the thing black people were being emancipated from, centuries of slavery.

professor, how do you think we can all accurately honor juneteenth? >> right. i think it's important to understand it is a day of sole brace and commemoration but it's also a day of rededication. so after emancipation, after the promises the freedom and a short window of reconstruction which promised full citizenship for african americans we then had jim crow. we had the election of 1876. we had jim crow. segregation and mob violence. and considering -- you have to remember that the commemoration of juneteenth was always about rededicating ourselves to that struggle. from the black texans to remember those who had worked so hard to prove themselves by joining the cause -- and also to try -- >> professor, i thank you very much, we're losing your audio. but we were able to understand

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