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votes, which is one more than we have. >> and despite all the revelations so far, the former the president revived his attack against mike pence on friday insisting the rioters were patriots and dangling pardons for them if he runs again and is reelected. trump's lies about the election are reinvestigator rating in texas where they adopted a platform calling president biden's win illegitimate. and there are growing fears about a recession next year as americans are paying higher prices while cutting back on travel and leisure and paying more for loans. the biden administration still arking it's not certain after being wrong on inflation. the president said that today himself. we'll talk about whether that interest rate hike will have an impact. also this hour, the raging bat until ukraine where russia has a firm grip on the eastern part of

the country and the families of three americans allege captured in combat are desperately trying to get them home. but first, to the attack on the capitol. joining me now is allie viali on capitol hill. fompler u.s. barbara mcquaid, and congressman from florida david jolly. allie, three potential witnesses tomorrow before the committee. why these three and what new information could we learn? >> that's exactly right. as this committee now seeks to delve into the pressure campaign at the state level, this after last week detailing what the pressure campaign was on the former president, including this idea by john eastman and the other orbit about false slates of electors and ways to try to find votes or declare votes fraudulent at the state level. one of those key states is georgia. played a piece of why in the introduction. that state is undergoing its own investigation of what happened

there in 2020. but in terms of what brad and his top deputy can tell the committee as they testify tomorrow, there's going to be a lot of conversation about that particular phone call, the ask to find 11,780 votes, exactly one more vote that they would need to win the election in georgia than they had actually won, that's going to be critically important, especially as the committee has worked really hard to try to establish the former president's mind set, focusing on his intent. they are not a court, but at the same time, it's something they have spent a the lot of time and energy and resources on. we expect to see pretty similar presentation to what we have seen in the past. using these in-person witnesses as a way to boster the information they already have from people from their deposition. so to that end, we should expect to see more of the former president's inner circle and allies speaking about what their conversations were with the

former president and then tying that directly to what was going on in georgia and other key states where the former president and allies were trying to meddle and find the votes they needed but definitely didn't have. >> where does tomorrow's testimony fit in within the full puzzle of what we heard of what the committee was trying to establish? >> this is an important part of the scheme, because this was an effort by donald trump to pressure the state of georgia, one of these key swing states that went for biden and to just flip the outcome. going directly to the chief election officer and finding him 11,000 votes. he puts pressure on him about what's your career going to look like. it would be good for your career if you find me these votes. i think one of the things i will be looking for is what was donald trump's knowledge before that phone call and what other conversations did they have with brad besides that.

we know from reporting that mark meadows met with him. so hearing some of the content can be important. but for example, if we get to testimony from the deposition of william barr saying that there was nothing to this georgia claim of suitcases full of vetoes or there's nothing to it and trump is continuing to pressure him, that can go a long way to establish a request for fraud, not to correct a bad result. >> and morgan, the republicans went full maga at their convention over the weekend including claiming that biden did not win the election. tell me about that. >> that's certainly one of the things that the texas republicans claimed over the weekend at this convention in houston. it was the first in-person meeting since 2018. they voted on that party platform. we'll get to that in a second. but i want to show you two scenes that played over the weekend. congressman dan crenshaw heckled by far-right activists as he

entered one of those meetings. this is a man elected in 2020 with 55% of the vote, went uncontested in the primary and then at the texas gop convention was hassled and pressed by activists as he tried to walk inside. then just a few minutes later, we saw john cornyn, elected in 2002, where he's represented texas ever since booed when he walked on stage because he was heckled for working on that bipartisan gun reform package in the senate. the most impactful we have seen in the last 30 years. that working with democrats a step too far by the crowds there at the texas gop convention and they voted on this party platform. a mission statement of sorts. i want to hit on some of the key points. they would require texas students to learn about the humanity of the preborn child, including teaching that life begins at fertilization. they want to amend the texas

constitution to remove the power to regulate the wearing of firearms with a view to prevent crime. they want to treat homosexuality as an abnormal lifestyle choice. they would like to repeal the federal income tax. and that in response to the businesses that were shut down and amended during the pandemic. >> i don't even know where to start. you used to be a member of that party. this is one state and one party, but it's the dominant party in that state. how do you even think about that? >> it's on the traditional themes of guns and homosexuality. but i think what we see is the troogs of some very dangerous planks that we have not seen until the rise of donald trump. the notion that the last election was not free and fair,

that biden is illegitimate and the discussion they adopted a plank that suggested texas voters should decide whether or not us is cede from the union. so did you support your home party or not. that's a pitch for a lot of politicians. >> i want to play an interview with congressman kinzinger, who is one of the two republicans who dared to sit on this investigating committee about what's happened to him as a result. >> this threat that came in, it was mailed to my house. we the got it a couple days ago and threatens to execute me and my wife and 5-month-old child. i have never had anything like that. there's violence in the future. i'm going to tell you. until we get a grippen telling people the truth, we can't expect any differently. >> and david, to just add to that, tell me about the new ad, we're not going to play it. it's so explosive, but it is one

of the candidates in missouri, a senate candidate in missouri, talk to me about what he's put up there. >> this is a real danger and you can argue the former president gave permission to for the republican party. this flirtation with violence and this notion that members of congress now are under threat. and the first time i installed cameras, got a dog and practiced using a firearm is when i was a member of congress. never before. adam kinzinger is right. what we're seeing out of missouri, and i have an interest in the politics of that state, but the former governor is now the republican front runner for the senate nomination, released an ad today where he bust into a house that he says should be full of republicans in name only with firearms with a sale sale team suggesting they are hunting members of their own party who are not faithful to the values of the country. >> let's get a little bit into the history of eric.

>> he's a former governor who had to sign in disgrace, arguably for, i believe, physically restraining a mistress. but in recent court documents has been credibly accused of domestic violence of herself and their young children. he's now putting on the air waves or at least on social media image of him with guns chasing down members of his own party who aren't faithful enough. >> barbara, let's talk about what this really means because we are hearings, testimony from inner circle trump white house people as well as one of the most esteemed judges in the conservative spectrum. saying that our democracy is in danger. >> i thought those witnesses were particularly compelling because they are aligned with the republican party.

you don't get anymore conservative than judge looudic. he called him a danger to our democracy. then we see the response to this isn't that people are persuaded by it, but they are engaging in more violence. so it is a very dangerous moment in our history and i think this moment of truth is incredibly important. i know there's a concern that having these hearings could unleash more violence, but i think that that is the point by threatening violence. they are trying to get people into being fearful. i think we have to be able to stand up to those who are beyond bullies, but violent insurrectionists and stand for the rule of law. >> allie vitali, thank you all. thousands of flights cancelled or delayed. the white house issuing a stern warning to airlines. more on that, ahead. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. rea mitchell reports" on msnbc.

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pack your patience in your flying home this holiday weekend. house thousands of flight delays and cancellations with limited rebooking options due to weather, soaring demand, staff shortages. among those ground this weekend transportation secretary pete buttigieg. he and his husband are driving from d.c. to new york. the biden administration now demanding airlines stress test their summer schedules as travel tempers are all heating up. white house correspondent mike memoli on the north lawn. what can they really do? there's talk of the team are going to be talking to them. what can the transportation department do? >> reporter: what you see is pete buttigieg trying to say that the administration is being proactive. the white house is trying to

avoid a repeat of memorial day weekend when there's 3,000 flight cancellations, a lot of disruptions at the airports, long lines, issues with rebook ing. we're already seeing that from this past weekend when you have summer vacations for many, father's day weekend and now a long wbd with the juneteenth holiday. the real concern is looking ahead to 4th of july, one of the major travel periods. so we saw transportation secretary convening ceos from the major airliners, putting them on notice saying they want to make sure they are stress testing their systems, doing everything they can to ensure sufficient staffing in terms of plots. but also beefing up their customer service teams as well because that's been a major issue. it's one thing to get the flight in the air, bub it's another thing to have rebooking. there are potential fines if airlines do the not get up to speed here as necessary. this is airline travel. we also are continuing to see

the white house on the defensive when it relates to getting on the road with the soaring price of gas continuing to be an issue. we heard from the president today taking that walk saying they are considering a gas tax holiday. a number of states including with democratic governors have taken this step as well. every option continues to be on the table as well as the team meeting with oil executives later this week. >> thank you so much. joining us now is the chief economist at grant thorton. diane, this is pretty tough with everything else going wrong, inflation, gas priegss saying they make take punitive action. what can they do? >> it's hard to see what they can do given the labor shortages out there. especially among pilots. this is something we have been worried about for some time.

not only were we going to see shortages because of many factors including long covid and the number of people affected at any point in time. we're now running 42% above at any given month of people out ill due to covid. so that's really important. the other issue, how much we lost in terms of training and schooling due to the pandemic itself. a lot of the pilots that may have been trained weren't trained during that period when we moved online and weren't training everyone. so i think that's important as well. this really gets to a larger issue though. that is that we have this perfect storm of the fed having to deal with the difference between demand and trying to balance that with a supply constrained world. and demand is higher. there's no question about that. but at the same time, that supply constraints are across the board. you're seeing it in shortages

everywhere. the difference is inflation and that friction of inflation is what we're dealing with thousand. that's the hardest thing that we have to sort of rustle to the ground is now we're seeing people's expectations about inflation becoming unmoored. also our surveys are showing cfos, over% are looking to increase prices by double digits going forward and they feel free to do that. that means a more sustained and more entrenched inflation and that's something that the federal reserve is looking a at. when it comes down to it, getting demand in line with the supply-constrained world, that means hammering demand pretty hard and our assessment is it's going to be a pretty big increase in the unemployment rate to get inflation to cool back to a level that the fed feels comfortable with. >> when we talk about the fed, you had this disagreement this past weekend that janet yellen saying she didn't think a recession was inevitable. larry summers thinks it's

probable given the precedent when you have all of the conditions that you're facing right now. where do you come down? >> i actually think it's one of set maptices. i think a recession is probable. we're in a place where our own analysis suggests the unemployment rate thooz move to 5.5% from 3.5% to bring inflation back down to a more reasonable level. that's really tough place to be, but it is where we are. and i think the federal reserve in their own sense understands that. they have talked about a higher noninflationary rate of unemployment. that's a nice way of saying unemployment rate has to go up. but the kinds of increases they are talking about in unemployment in the 4 to 5% range, that by definition is a move that is consistent with a recession. >> thanks so much. coming up, the dangerous journey ukrainians risk their

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the world food program says 1 in 3 ukrainian households are food insecure. aid groups are working to ease that burden. allison barber followed a box of buckwheat all the way as it made its way from poland to the heart of ukraine. >> reporter: for christian and his team, meal delivery in bucha starts 355 miles away in poland. so does our plan to follow a box of buckwheat. >> we get about ten truckloads of food every single week. >> reporter: we watched a tractor-trailer begin to make the long journey east. >> we try to go as far east as we can depending on safety. it's very risky. >> reporter: a drive full of check points we can't film on a route we can't show you because doing so could make a risky drive deadly. >> have you had instances where

a truck is trying to get in somewhere and they have been attacked, shelled or anything along those lines? >> yes. that's where we get requests for things like bullet proof vests just for the drivers to be safe. >> who are the drivers? >> ukrainian people. >> reporter: this trip is a success. volunteers unload palette after palette and separate the aid into bags. each one with a box of buckwheat. >> no money. >> reporter: smaller vans will take the aid on to harder to reach communities ravaged by war. as volunteers transfer the final bags, they send it off with a song. over 600 people showed up for this distribution. there's only enough food for half. we saw the desperation, fear and frustration when the aid ran out.

and the relief of those who got it. >> translator: my young children don't understand what's happening, but my oldest knows it's difficult to get the food we used to be able to eat all the time. >> it's just extraordinary, heartbreaking. what is the impact of all of this? we know world central kitchen and others are all jumping in trying to get food to ukrainians. >> we have seen so many groups step up and try to help. they have plans to be here not just for a few months, put for years, but the need is so unbelievably great. food insecurity manifests in different ways. it means more expensive prices and it's prices they can't afford. for others it's this. this used to be a supermarket. it is entirely gone. this is a place where peoples no longer have access to groceries

in this community. then you have other places like mariupol, where aid groups cannot get in to help the people who need help. and mariupol right now, that's the city that's now controlled by russian forces, but according to the mayor, the people still there about 100,000 of them to not have access to claen drinking water. and russian occupiers are only allowing them to get water once a week. >> allison bbarber, thank you s much. joining us is former commander james stavridis. as you know full well, this is a food crisis that's now spreading around the globe because ukraine is the bread basket. they are blockaded in the black sea from getting critical grain needed to egypt and other parts of the middle east.

let's talk about a novel idea i heard you describe, which is to reflag ships, as we did in kuwait when the iranians were attacking ships going through the straits there. reflag those ships and have the u.s. escort ships out past the russians. tell us about that. could that be done in time? is this better than president biden's plan to build american food silos in poland and take the grain out by train. >> i think these ideas are not mutually exclusive. and it's going to take a combination of things to get the massive amount of grain that needs to get out that is going to if it fails to make it to the world is going to undermine food

security around the world. as you point out, it's north africa, the middle east, parts of sub is a ha ran african are dependent on this grain. the russians are stealing some of it, selling it through their markets. so all the more reason that we need every conceivable idea explored. the one that you just mentioned was something that occurred to me from the 1980s when young lieutenant staff who still had hair in those days was driving cruisers and destroyers in the arabian gulf, escorting reflagged tankers. and in this instance, we would have to do the demining, but they are ukrainian mines. we would not go through russian territory, but through ukrainian waters and international waters. these would be humanitarian vessels. it doesn't have to be the united

states. the swiss could reflag these, nato could put a flag on them. it doesn't matter. the point is that i think highly unlikely the russian black sea fleet would attack a warship that's protecting a grain ship coming out of odesa. that's the heart of the idea. >> while you were the young lieutenant, i was the young correspondent covering the g7 summit in venice in 1987 and the reflagged ships became the big story we were covering. so i was following all your actions. let me talk to you about finland and sweden and whether you think they are going to get into nato. some representatives are in turkey today trying to get erdogan off their demand he not be in. he's the only one blocking it. the meeting is coming up in madrid in a couple weeks now. do you think they can resolve

this? >> i think it's unlikely it will be resolved in time for the madrid summit, but i think it's very likely it will be resolve ed by the fall. the reason is turkey has a point of view about kurdish activities occurring in sweden and finland. they have democratic laws that protect free speech. these are things people can negotiate around. despite a little bit of hard positioning by the turkish president, the swooeds and the finns have been very open to dialogue. i think what needs to happen here is the nato secretary general, maybe the deputy secretarial general could do some shuttle diplomacy. >> thank you so much. the new book is "risk it all." thank you. now to breaking news in

israel. the fragile coalition government has official fallen dissolving parliament calling for new elections. but for months it's really teetered on the collapse. unable to pass significant legislation. smaller parties quit the coalition breaking away partly a reaction to the government's handling of recent violence. this with president biden planning his first trip to israel jex just next month. raft sanchez joins us. they would stay in power until a new government is elected. but as you know, it takes a long time for israel's different factions to agree on a new government once elections are held. what's the uz real remaining unstable for such a long time? >> reporter: this is basically year three of a rolling political crisis. this will be the fifth election israel has had since 2019. and as you said, in the last

election, this very unusual coalition government emerged, parties from the the left, from the right, from the center, they really didn't agree on very much, except they wanted to get rid of bn bb. it proved to be too much. now the foreign minister announcing they cannot continue like this and they are calling for fresh elections. what that means is that the foreign minister is a centrist lib rhys. he will become the interim prime minister of israel until those new elections happen in october. that means when president biden in mid-july, it will be meeting. all indications we have are that the president's visit will still go ahead. this is a possibility that the united states has been preparing for for a long time.

they knew this government might collapse at some point. so it will be the interim for the next few months serving as prime minister, but looming behind all of this is benjamin netanyahu, the former prime minister, who now will have another shot at once again returning to power. >> thank you very much. a very volatile part of the world. thank you so much. celebrating juneteenth commemorations underway around the country today. several corporations are being criticized for the way they are recognizing this new federal holiday. we'll have more on that, coming up. your you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. tchia mitchell reports" on msnbc

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dialogue about race in this country. shaq brewster has the story. >> reporter: we just heard from vice president harris, who has asked about juneteenth and commented on it. the day is about celebrating the principle of freedom and speaking a about it honestly and accurately. all across the country, you saw the celebrations take place this weekend. from a parade in buffalo, to a walk in texas, americans gathering on the newest federal holiday juneteenth. it commemorates 1865 when the last enslavesed african-americans in galveston, texas, were finally told they were free. more than two years after president lincoln signed the

emancipation proclamation. >> i'm very happy this federal holiday, i didn't know anything about it. i'm still learning about my culture. >> but some corporations have been criticized for commercializing the day like selling a jooun tooebt watermelon salad or a juneteenth ice cream flavor. experts say companies are struggling to strike the right balance. >> if more companies have more people in decision making positions to inform those conversations, they would think of more nuanced and better ways of recognizing the holiday. >> reporter: meanwhile, appreciation continues to grow. a poll showing a significant jump in the numbers of americans who say they have a lot or some familiarity with the holiday. which many hope will not only be a time to celebrate, but an opportunity to ignite more honest dialogue about race in mesh. america. >> we need to have those conversations. it's uncomfortable.

slavery was uncomfortable, but we need to talk about it. >> reporter: while juneteenth is a new federal holiday, it's not an official state holiday in half the country. for millions of americans, they can still celebrate, but they are not receiving that paid time off. >> jonathan, you spoke with a family on your program yesterday who bought an old plantation house in virginia and made a shocking discovery. i want to play a little bit of that conversation. one of the family members recounts when a local historian told her after digging through records. let's watch. >> she said, karen, your great great grandparents were enslaved here at charleswood. i often think about how they lived here, how they were treated, what is around here

today that they would have actually touched as well. and knowing this information now it's overwhelming with emotions on the past. >> jonathan, that's so stunning to have that revealed. it's such a strong reminder of why this holiday has to be commemorated. >> right. her brother fred miller is the one who bought the house for the family because they have a large extended family and were looking for a place big enough to host their big family. that house that you're seeing right there is the main house on what used to be the plantation. fred miller buys the house. it's not until after he buys the house a at his sister karen's insistence that they discover through searching through records that their family was enslaved on that property.

it's sort of a present day reminder of why it is so important to teach the fullness of our history because our history has relevance to our present. think about that family. they are now the owners of a property that used to be owned by people who used to own their ancestors. their story is just one of countless stories like that around the country where we have white americans and black americans who are united and linked by not just history, but by blood and yet we're in a situation now in this country where we have been reporting on it for more than a year now where you've got legislatures and folk who is are trying to stop the teaching of our history because it makes some people uncomfortable. >> a little discomfort could go a long way.

juneteenth signiies the two and a half years it took enslaved people in texas to even know they had been emancipated along with the rest of the country two and a half years earlier. but meanwhile, there are companies, corporations who are inappropriately grabbing this holiday in the way they are advertising it. trying to monetize it. talk to me about the commercialization. >> business will always try to monetize everything and every occasion. the idea that there's a company where somebody thought it was okay to slap on a happy juneteenth label on a watermelon salad or to go the lengths of having a juneteenth ice cream, i get where they are coming from. in some instance, they are trying to make money. other instances they are trying

to show a connection to community, to a substantial community. on the other hand, there are ways to do it where you don't look so dumb. this is the second year of this federal holiday. as the woman said in the piece, because of the holiday, she is learning more and more about what it means, the importance not just to texas, and not just the african-american people, but to the country. and so we're going to be learning as the years go on. everyone is. >> all of us. thank you so much. great to see you on a monday. echoes of watergate. how the january 6 committee's investigation compares to the watergate probe 50 years ago. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. ports" on msn. ♪♪ this... is the planning effect. this is how it feels to know you have a wealth plan

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good to be with you. i'm katy tur. georgia is looming large. tomorrow the january 6th committee will present evidence of former president trump's efforts to pressure battle ground officials across the nation into reversing the 2020 election. you will remember raffensperger after that call from president trump urging him to declare enough votes to declare him the winner. >> i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one