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president biden in just the past hour calling on congress to do something it hasn't done in nearly a century. temporarily lift the federal gas tax to give all of us relief at the gas pump. he's asking states to do the same as we get a new statement from the house speaker on this. spoiler, it's not a full-throateden dorsment. we're talking with one member of senate leadership later on this hour. also watching developments in the january 6th investigation. a shakeup on the schedule. with the the chairman of the house committee is telling our team about the changes and just why they are moving things around with 24 hours to go until the next round of testimony. this time for the one-time acting attorney general and the final days of the presidency. plus with michigan's governor, what she says she will do in the state if the supreme court does overturn roe v. wade. and the nfl commissioner playing defense today.
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roger goodell in front of house lawmakers responding to reports of one team's toxic work culture, which includes allegations of sexual harassment and the no-show witness who may soon be getting a subpoena. we have a little bit of everything this afternoon. i'm hallie jackson in washington. we are joined by mike memoli the at the white house and senior analyst ron insana. we just heard from the president. this new proposal. talk about where it goes from here. >> reporter: maybe, but it seems unlikely based on the initial reaction we're getting from capitol hill especially. the president if you want to look and explain the urgency from the president, you only need to look at a new university poll that was just released in the last hour as well. the presiden his approval rating at 35%. 68% of americans saying that the high cost of gas is a major problem for them. and that they are making adjustments in their household spending because of it.
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this is a president that has been dealing with this challenge for some time. he's been doing everything he can to explain what he's been toing in terms of releasing oil from the strategic petroleum reserve, trying to coordinate that action with our allies, sending letters or members of his team are going to be meeting with oil executives tomorrow, but the president really trying in a much more comprehensive way than we have seen in the past to really put all the cards on the table, explain what he's planning to do and understanding that it might not necessarily result in full relief for the american people, but he's trying. let's listen to part of the president's message from last hour. >> together these actions could help drop the price at the pump but up to $1 a gallon or more. it doesn't reduce all the pain, put it would be a big help. i'm doing my part. i want the congress, the states and the industry to do their part as well. >> reporter: so i think the best way to explain what the president is trying to do today is to go back to one of the
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president's favorite expressions from the the family. i don't expect the government to solve all my problems, but i expect them to understand. this is the president doing everything he can to make clear that he is dealing with this within the power that he has, but obviously there are limitations in that power. that's why it's notable. he's asking congress to do something. he's asking oil executives to do something. the common denominator is that he has limited tools he can actually execute on himself. >> he's the one toing the asking. i want to read to folks the statement that we're just getting in from speaker pelosi. i think it's fair to characterize it as less than enthusiastic. but she talks about gas prices and says, quote, we will see where the consensus lies on a path forward. that's the critical part of the statement. we will see. so she's basically giving him the time will tell whether or not congress is actually going to act and move on what president biden wants them to
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do. this is something that pelosi in the past described as a showbiz move. >> president obama called it a gimmick when it was proposed by his rooil in the 2008 campaign. you have the chairman saying this will result in minuscule relief and one of the major vote counters acknowledging that the votes might not be there. so why is the white house doing this? they want to be caught trying. this is certainly an effort to at least show the president is doing what he can. if not to make it an issue for voters to decide on this fall. if this were to come to a the vote, the white house wants republicans opposing it the white house in the past has signalled they think republicans are the ones being cynical. they are standing in the way of any kind of effort that the president might result in trying to et g to the american people. >> let me go to ron.
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the president and congress have never suspended the gas tax. not during the price spike in 2007. not during the energy crisis in the '70s. why should this time be different? what are you hearing about the impact of something like this on the economy? >> this time it probably won't be different and the impact is minuscule. 18 cents on a $5 a gallon product is hardedly noticeable. it's very unlikely that refiners will pass along the reduction in the tax to the end user. so we said, the has very few options here. if he were the president of the oil market, he might able to do some things but he's not. we have a certain amount of production that's very large, but still not enough to meet demand. china and india are buying russian oil. so we're not seeing the market break in a way that is, in any
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way, induced by what the white house does. there's some aren'ts can be the ab impending recession. but that's a whole different topic to discuss. and falling demand for oil could mean a slowdown in the economy, which people also would like. >> gas prices are the biggest contributor to high inflation. the fed chair told lawmakers today more interest rate hikes are on the way. so they see evidence that inflation is coming down. the big question is can the fed help prevent a recession here. >> they can cause one. if they go too far in raising interest rates with with their commitment to fight inflation act knacking that a is at risk. it could be a future rather than a bug of interest rate policy. it's to reduce demand against supplies. whether it's oil, food, the number of pilots that we have available in the united states or the number of workers that we have.
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the fed can engineer a recession, drive demand down and lower prices, but that will come at a cost, not the cost of what we're paying at the pump. but it will come at a cost to labor and the number of jobs that we have. >> appreciate you both. to capitol hill, where we're learning about a shakeup in the timeline of the hearings. after tomorrow's planned hearing, the chairman says the next public stm not going to be scheduled until probably next month. an aid is telling them they keep getting new evidence. they are still continuing to get information about their investigation. nbc news senior congressional reporter scott long is on capitol hill. we're joined by an court and former colleague of msnbc leann caldwell. scott, i'll start it with you. the discussion had been hearings in june.
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now after recess would be the week of july 11th, i think. and the committee is saying there have been new developments. there's new evidence. i spoke with one member who say, yeah, we're hearing people coming out after they are seeing these hearings. >> what you're seeing right now is people are watching these hearings. they are effective. people are seeing how some of the republicans have stood up to trump are being portrayed and thought of by the american public. there's a lot of praise for these individuals. so that is encouraging. perhaps some other reallies to step forward and can want with the committee the chairman closerly laid out today this committee is not in a rush. they want to get this right. so they are pushing these last two hearings that were plbed for next week into at least july.
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so everything is in flux. the committee has to write its report by what they are saying before the november election, so they are under somewhat of a tight schedule. but there is new evidence coming out every single day. one of those developments concerns a documentarian who has footage of ivanka trump saying that trump, this is from december of 2020, trump should continue to fight until every legal remedy is exhausted. that contradicts her testimony to the committee where she said she trusted barr who was telling the president at a the time do not go town this path. this is a foolish path to try to overturn the election. let's hear if we have the clip from one of the january 6th committee hearings talking about
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some of the have beens, emerging every day. >> as you have reported, you know there's a documentarian. they have come forward to say she's vouded us with a lot of video. it just makes sense for us to take a moment to process some of that information and ensure that when we do hold hearings, we were -- >> you cannot ignore the fact that the supreme court will be ruling shortly on the roe v. wade decision. and so the january 6th committee, this is a political awry na they understand that's fwoik to be ab enormous story. they don't want to be competing with the supreme court awe cross the street from the capitol. >> thank you. let me bring in leann to talk about the details we have learned that we have now confirmed based on scott ask our team from the hill what she told
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the committee in her deposition, there's a distinction here between what she said to the documentarian about the election, and what she told the committee. >> that right. what they told the committee is the committee highlighted over and over again is she said that she trusts what a.g. bill barr said at the time, which there was no way that donald trump won that tlex. and thad played that clip over and over again. she had a lot of respect for bill barr and that's why she thought that was the right thing. now as you just said, your team has reported that ivanka trump told this she thought president trump should feep caughting and she didn't believe she lost the election. that matters for a couple reasons. does this make ivanka trump more
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reliable. her deposition was under oath. so that could have a huge impact for her personally and also as the committee ties to sort through this new evidence, it's going to have to determine how to not only tell this story, but also what to do with people who might have contradicted themselves. they are saying they did not know they had this documentary was taking place until the documentarian came forward after the first committee hearing. adam schiff said on your network last night that it is just a fraction of the things that they are currently presenting to the it can there's so much more evidence and they are trying to tell a timeline that is gripping, that people can understand, and they need time to go through all of this. appreciate it. we're fwieng to talk more about this later in the show. but next we have the new lawsuit in texas as people
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continue to. plus the exclusive one-on-one with the governor of michigan. what she's trying too do if roe is overturned. and later a sneak peek of my emotional conversation with soccer legend meghan rapinoe in the latest batting in sports for the rights of transgender athletes. athletes moving his money into his investment account in real time and that's... how you collect coins. your money never stops working for you with merrill, a bank of america company. hey lily, i need a new wireless plan for my business, but all my employees need something different. oh, we can help with that. okay, imagine this. your mover, rob, he's on the scene and needs a plan with a mobile hotspot. we cut to downtown, your sales rep lisa has to send some files, like asap!
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senator chuck schumer said gun reform should be passed this week. everything looks to be in place for a final vote by friday. which is when congress leaves town for the july 4th recess. overthiegt we saw the first procedural vote on the bill that got the vote of all democrats and 14 republicans.
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it would be the most significant piece of gun legislation to be passed in deades. it comes as the backdrop of what's happening in texas today. in a new fight for details of what happened. the state senator is now suing the department of public safety in texas. roland gutierrez accusing them of covering up details ab the police response and violating the public information act. it comes after the gripping testimony where they told lawmakers police never tried to open a an unlocked door to the classroom where the gunman was. cops waited for more than an hour for backup and a master key before going if. i want to bring in investigative correspondent tom winter and law enforcement analyst cedrick alexander. with the dps in texas, the department of public safety, what is some of the key information we might normally have a at this time a month
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later that we don't have in this stance? >> a press release. we have no relate paperwork released on behalf of any of the authorities in texas. we have some records, such as medical examiner records and we have a search warrant, which is something we're entitled to. but we don't have a lot of detailed information that's been put out by any of the authorities here in texas. the best that we have so far, it was significant this week was a detailed timeline put together not, and i think importantly, not relying on the statements of police, but relying only on the body camera video, the surveillance video and actual recordings both from the 911 calls as well as from radio transmissions and that's the timeline that you're seeing in front of us. so that's providing us with a lot more information. we are starting to get some pictures and some documents, but that lawsuit is centered on something that frankly we as reporters come across often, which is agencies are required
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to respond by law in every state around the country. it varies from state to state. ? a certain time period of providing us information. i think that's a big concern that people have as far as our ability to get the raw primary documents here. i will note tloost the texas department of public aoivty is speaking we have heard nothing from the uvalde district attorney's office. with the exception of one or two interviews. not really laying out the totality of what their efforts were that day. i have a lot of questions for them, starting with how colt you didn't even have your radio on you. there's a lot of questions along those lines that these type of documents and transparency could help us better refine and answer. >> wasn't of the local papers said he wouldn't be slowed down. what did you think when you heard the head of dps saying
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cops did not go in for more than an hour here. what needs to happen in this instance? >> i think that would be an indictment not just after uvalde, because you have to remember there are a number of different agencies, what we know right now in the hallway of the school, i think the issue isn't here and it goes back to what we just reported. from the inception of the shooting, information that is come out of law enforcement in that community has been sketchy at best. so because of good journalism, we're getting a timeline, and it's raising more questions ask questions that are yet to be answered. and as i stated before, i think the only way we're going to get to the bottom of this for the sake of the families and those who lost their lofd ones and the rest of the country is really
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for an outside independent agency and the u.s. suggests doing that, it's probably the only agent us is that's going to come in and have any credibility in terms of what could happen. i feel that there is a concrete report that's going on. but the reports you're getting, the finger pointing back and forth at each other, and they have shared responsibility in this but there's going to be a lot of responsibility that goes around as it relates to what occurred that day, who should have done what and who did not do what. but the finger pointing is not going to get there. but it has been contributed to this case, it really keeps the public knowledge of what's going on because clearly and sadly, that's not coming from law enforcement. >> tom winter, thank you very much. appreciate it. join nbc news and a look at the potential fallout from the supreme court's ruling on
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abortion rights. our team had the only camera in the room today with governor gretchen whitmer. she was talking with women about their personal reproductive journeys. she's telling us what she will do in her state if the supreme court does overturn roe v. wade. a decision that we expect to know more about in the coming weeks. the supreme court nears the end of its term. dasha burns is joining us from michigan after speaking exclusively with governor whitmer after that roundtable. tell us what she told you. >> reporter: there are different states taking different approaches. there are red states putting in place trigger laws and anti-abortion, trying to fortify abortion rights. then you have purple states like michigan, where here in the state there's a 1931 law on the books that criminalizes abortion. it makes it a feony. now that law became ir relevant when roe v. wade came into
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effect, but if that falls, as we expect in the coming days, that could spell some jeopardy. the pov north is fighting against that 1931 law. her legislature is fighting to defend that lu. i spoke with her after this roundtable, which included women from across the political spectrum with different backgrounds. you had pro choice republicans in the room, faith leaders in the room, each extremely personal stories about abortion sharing stories of ep topic prbss, their own parents stories when it comes to family planning and reproductive rights. when i sat down with the governor, she got personal about her own experience as well. take a listen. >> i'm a survivor of sexual assault. i'm the mom of an 18-year-old and a 20-year-old woman. two young women are my daughters, who are going to
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possibly live in a world where they have fewer rights, and that scares the heck out of me. that is now going to be deprived of the ability to make her own life. so this is an urgent moment. >> reporter: the republican legislature has intervened in a lawsuit attempting to invalidate the 1931 law. one lawmaker saying the legislature has a responsible to use the tool at our disposals and protect the life of the unborn. the governor made the point it's not just a state issue because as we have seen in fwan and plenty of other states when states restrict those rights, folks tavel across the state lines. it becomes a national
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conversation. >> dasha burns life for us with that exclusive discussion. thank you so much. coming up next, the stunning indictment of a once rising democratic star. f a once rising f a once rising democratic star.at goes on it. . and in it. mostly. here to meet those high standards is the walgreens health and wellness brand. over 2000 high quality products. rigorously tested by us. real world tested by you. and delivered to your door in as little as one hour. think he's posting about all that ancient roman coinage? no, he's seizing the moment with merrill. moving his money into his investment account in real time and that's... how you collect coins. your money never stops working for you with merrill, a bank of america company. this summer, dinosaurs are in our world. your money never stops working for you with merrill, pet dinosaur? i'll take care of you.
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some of the other top stories, russia still pushing for control of eastern ukraine as nbc news confirms russia has captured a settlement outside a major holding point. the united nations now says nearly 5,000 people have been killed. nearly 5,000 civilians since the start of the war. back in the u.s., the man arrested for the attempted murder of brett kavanaugh will be arraigned in a 15 minutes or so. he was arrested a after calling police on himself while he was outside justice kavanaugh's house they was found carrying a a pistol and a knife. during his initial court appearance, he did not enter a plea. and in florida, former candidate andrew gillum is facing an indictment. he was arrested on wire fraud and conspiracy charges related to his campaign. the 42-year-old democrat is denying the charges saying, i have full confidence that my legal team will prove my innocence.
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joining me now with more on that is justice correspondent pete williams. what else do we know about the charges and what kind of sentence he could face? >> the indictment covers the period when he was the mayor of tallahassee, which is florida's capital. and during part of that time, he was a democratic candidate for governor. he came within half a percentage point of beating ron desantis. the charges accuse him of lying to the fbi. the indictment says he falsely denied he ever got any payments or gifts from a person who is posing as a corrupt florida property developer, somebody who was an undercover fbi agent. the agent paid for his stay a the a new york hotel and for food, drinks, and a boat ride around the harbor and tickets to see the musical hamilton. and then the indictment says while he was running for north, he and a friend and mentor asked for and got donations from
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people that they told were used for charitable purposes and his campaign, but the indictment says he took tens of thousands of dollars of that money for himself. so as you noted, he calls the case politically motivated. there's been a target on his back sibs he was the mayor of sdplast he's confident his. the maximum is 20 years. if convicted, he wouldn't serve that long, but there are some serious charges here. >> thank you for staying on top of that. next, we're talking about the latest in congress including on the gas tax, guns, abortion access and more with a member of democratic leadership. that's after the break. leaders. leaders. that's after the break moving his money into his investment account in real time and that's... how you collect coins. your money never stops working for you with merrill, a bank of america company. right now, we're all feelin' the squeeze.
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also using part of a speech to come out swinging against oil and gas compaies. watch. >> this is a time of war. global peril, ukraine, these are not normal times. bring down the pressure of charging a at the pump to reflect the cost you're paying for the product. do it knew. now. do it today. your customers, the american people, they need relief now. >> i want to bring in senator debbi stabenow of michigan, who running the communications committee. senator, good afternoon. thank you for being back on the show. >> absolutely. it's good to see you. >> you too. let's talk about this gas tax holiday. it's something in the past you have been supportive of. some of your colleagues, it seems, less so. we talked about nancy pelosi, who in the past has called it very showbiz. she has said now this afternoon that we will see essentially with then news yasm is and what
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her colleagues would like to do in congress. what's your level of confidence that they will pass a gas tax holiday like president biden is asking for? >> first of all, i do support it. i'm a co-sponsor of the bill. obviously, it's only one piece to try to help. and we're going to move forward. the house has sent us price gouging legislation. they have sent us a bill to get the president the ability through executive order to be a able to push back and really push down on the excessive prices of the oil companies, because the pig issue here, there's just plain price gouging going on. we have 25 top oil companies last year that together made $237 billion in profits while we were getting ripped off at the pump. it goes higher and higher and higher. go google the price per barrel
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right now and check out when it was that price per barrel a number of years ago. and a what the price was a at the pump. there's a dollar or $2 difference here and that's price gouging. they are taking advantage of the situation and ripping americans off. >> so then do you think congress overall r you confident this will become a reality sometime soon? >> it's not clear. i know that senator schumer is very committed to bringing forward legislation that's going to deal with price gouging. we also have wind fall profits tax. if you're going to make more money, we'd like to capture that. and give it back to consumers to put more money in their pocket. in terms of the gas tax, this is one of the discussions going on as to what will move forward. this is certainly one of the options. and i do support doing it. >> if it does happen, and does
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become a reality, it means the gas tax would snap back into resistance. right around suspect or october, which happens to be right before the midterm elections. is there a political risk in doing this? >> i think what we have to do is decide how long. i would support making that longer. and i think we have to decide as we look at all these things pap fats tax holiday helps. president biden doesn't set the prices. we don't want the prices. they are set by the oil companies. they can manipulate the prices, manipulate the supply, which is what they are doing right now. and i think we need to create a way long-term to stop them from doing that. >> let me ask you about another issue. guns and also abortion access. because i understand there's going to be a closed-door the democratic meeting tomorrow on this topic.
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we are now potentially a matter of weeks, if not day was from a decision from the supreme court on the future of roe v. wade. there's widespread speculation that they have a majority to overturn roe. if that happens, give us some insight here. what are democrats doing to strategize? what looks realistic from a strategy perspective right now? >> this is a really difficult time for women because basically the court will say when the republicans in congress want them to say. and that is that women make their own health care choices. we toebt have the freedom to make our own health care choices. they should be made by a bunch of elected officials and politicians or supreme court justices which is a fundamental
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challenge to our basic freedoms. so we're going to be talking about it and what that means going forward and there are 26 states that have the laws. it does not have any exceptions for rape and insist. 19 states have no exceptions. and so we have to educate the public about what's going on and we're putting more judges on the bench all the time. we're now over 60 new judges that will make decisions based on supporting people's basic freedoms not what the society says or some other right wing group says. and then we're going to also take it to the polls. and in michigan, we have a ballot initiative we're working on the ballot to protect a woman's freedom to make her own
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decisions. >> i also ask you about the significant movement on gun legislation on the possibility that for the fist time in something like 30 years there will be substantiative gun action. 14 republicans have voted to move the process along. we're hearing that senator ted cruz, the senator from texas, the state where that horrific uvalde shooting happened, is a no on this bipartisan bill despite his colleague john cornyn, the other senator from texas, having negotiated it. do you see an opening for more republican support here? do you think this cracks the door open if this bill passes to something else or is this something where the next big move is decades away again after this? >> first of all, this really is a big deal. and i want to thank senator cornyn for his leadership as well as his partner chris murphy and senator sinema and senator tillis.
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there's a whole range of folks and proud to be part of that effort in fashioning the investments in mental health. but we're at a point now to make a significant step on gun safety. and a transformative step on mental health ask addiction services in the community coupled with support in schools and working with a comprehensive effort that really is transformative and will save lives and support family asks create opportunity. so from my perspective, this is an important step. i'm in the camp that says it's not enough, but i believe this is the step we can do now. it's a humongous step. and i think whether or not werth able to move forward with other steps is probably an issue in the election.
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and how people feel about the other pieces, background checks, what do we do a about access to assault weapons. i think that is a step that goes to a different debate in terms of the election. but don't underestimate this moment. because it's meaningful. and it really will save lives. >> michigan senator debbi stabenow, thank you for your time and for being on the show this afternoon. we appreciate it sglup. next up, a new acknowledgment from the nfl commissioner on what he's drying as an unacceptable workplace culture inside the league. first, an update on the deadly earthquake that killed a thousand people in afghanistan this morning. even more are hurt according to government officials. today you have rescue workers rushing to try to find and safe survivors who are trapped. some of the areas hit hardest are remote this this mountainous area, which makes rest cue efforts even harder.
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washington's football team under the microscope as an explosive hearing with the committee threatening to subpoena team owner dan snyder.
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they want to hear from him about a hostile workplace for the nfl's commanders. accusing snyder of conducting a shadow investigation to try to discredit allegations of misconduct against him. while snyder didn't show up today, roger goodell did, and within the washington team it was toxic, as he describes it. >> it is clear to me that the workplace in washington was unprofessional and unacceptable in numerous respects, bullying, widespread disrespect toward colleagues, use of demeaning language, public embarrassment and harassment. >> joining me now is msnbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitale. tell us more about today's hearing and what we are hearing from snyder who was out of the country for this, right? that's why he didn't show up. >> several fiery exchanges as republicans and democrats went back and forth on if this hearing was even a good use of the committee's time. of course, the chairwoman
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carolyn maloney has been going forward for months trying to get certain documents and parts of the investigation into what was happening inside the washington football team. she has been stonewalled from getting those documents and goodell said today that they'll continue to protect the documents related to the so-called wilkinson investigation of what was going on inside the washington football team. goodell made the point today and this struck several people who i was speaking to that while the washington football team was a toxic culture, he made the point that snyder has stepped back from managing the day to day operations and that the team itself looks like a different place and is functioning like a different place. nevertheless, the committee itself putting out the memo before the start of the hearing. i can bring up just a few of the key bullet points that struck my attention. they include things like dan snyder and his lawyers made a dossier of people, like journalists and victims and
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witnesses who made credible statements of harassment against the commanders. during beth wilkinson's investigation of the team, they offered former cheerleaders hush money to dissuade them from cooperating and the nfl and the firm conducting an investigation, alleging that they had secretly shared information from their shadow investigation. those were the words of the committee. snyder, for his part is firing back saying in part that the committee's decision to release that quote, unquote report and introduce legislation prior to the hearing is proof positive in their words that this was always going to be little more than a politically charged show trial and not about uncovering the truth, but this is not the last that we've heard of it, hallie. the chairwoman of the oversight committee carolyn maloney saying that because snyder didn't show up today, she's willing to issue him a subpoena. >> "the washington post" has led
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the way for the hometown paper and for folks like me who live in washington and they have new reporting that has dropped in the last 24 hours. bring us up to speed on the latest on that front. >> hallie, your audio cut out in the middle of your question, but i did hear you asking about that "washington post" report, that's not something nbc has confirmed and it details more of the allegations against snyder and that is the crux of what the oversight committee was trying to get at. they had people who were part of the organization previously come forward and testify about things that were ng inside, really illuminating that toxic culture and it's clear after today's hearings, even despite the testy and fiery rhetoric that we heard from some republicans that the chairwoman would keep pressing forward on this. >> ali vitale live on the hill for us. thank you. >> you are about to be looking at first lady jill biden
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honoring the 50th anniversary, the landmark legislation against women and girls in schools. >> our schools have created opportunities for women to learn and safe spaces that help them fight back against discrimination and sexual violence. these things no longer feel revolutionary. we take them for granted because they are our right. >> those lines on your screen, by the way. many advocates say the title 9 fight is not over, far from it with the rights of trans gender girls and women in the spotlight. girls like kyra lawson in indiana, 9 years old. and would ban her from girls' sports starting in middle school. for a story that you will see
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tomorrow that she just wants to play sports. i asked soccer superstar megan rapinoe about that and here's what she told me about kieran and sports broadly. >> she just wants to play with her friends. what's your message to her? >> i mean, we're with you and it's emotional to think about. this kid's, you know, so young. she just literally wants to play with her friends. we're with you. you have a lot of support. i know some of the most evil voices are the loudest, but we're screaming, too. we're fighting for you, too, and just hang in there. god forbid a trans person excel in sports. i would rather have that than have kids committing suicide at 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15 years old because they can't even live with themselves because all they've ever heard is they're gross, and they're horrible. i hate that sports is being used in this way. sports is an amazing vehicle for
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so many people and it's been an amazing vehicle for me, but it isn't the most important thing. it's been an amazing vehicle to life and to other people and to other countries and to different types of people and you know, whatever. so i would encourage everyone to just, take a step back, relax. it's not all about elite sports. coming from someone who is elite i would literally give up everything that i've ever achieved for not one of these kids to feel what they're feeling. >> we also talked with some student athletes who say it's about fairness. arguing that their own title 9 violence by allowing trans athletes to compete. we'll hear about it on an in-depth look. i'll see you there. thanks for watching this hour on msnbc and i'll see you in an hour on msnbc. thank you for bearing with us through the technical issues and pick it up when "deadline: white
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