justice thomas wrote the purportth right to abortion is not a form of liberty protected by the due process clause. he goes on to say we should go on to reconsider all of the court's decisions. the right to have control over when and if you get pregnant to start with, the right to be with the person you love, regardless of their sex, the right to marry whom ever you want. this ruling on abortion makes it clear none of that is safe, at least not for the long-term future as it stands. following the court's decision on roe, trigger laws have already gone into effect. if you live in louisiana, you cannot terminate your pregnancy as of right now. all three abortion clinics there have shut down. drug induced abortions, which now account for about half of all abortions are now illegal. if you are a victim of rape or

incest, it does not matter. it is the same in kentucky, the same in south dakota and it will be the same in just a few weeks for other states on your screen right now. arkansas, i'd how, missouri, north dakota, tennessee, utah and wyoming. reaction has been pouring in from lawmakers from reproductive rights campaigners. but i want to take you to a few women and listen to what they say. american women who say their country has turned its back on them. >> this is insane. i'm going over to the other side, especially -- i wanted to yell at the people there. how? >> it feels like a betrayal. it feels like my country doesn't love he and appreciate my body as a woman. i can't even -- i can't even

chant because i can't say anything. it just -- it hurts. >> i'm worried for the young women who are on opposition who don't understand how at risk their lives may be. >> polling showed the majority of americans did not want the country to overturn -- the court to overturn roe v. wade. but majority of americans in key places did vote to put people in power who were ultimately responsible for the make up of the supreme court. in other words, enough republicans in enough key places helped ensure a republican majority could confirm conservative justices. now if you're wondering how it could be that the court is so out of step with the opinion of the majority of all americans, consider this -- 80 million eligible voters do not vote. president biden repeated as much saying the right to health care could be restored with a bigger

democratic majority in congress. >> your vote, you can act. you can have the final word this is not over. >> joining me now, nbc news justice correspondent pete williams, julianne ainsley from the supreme court as well outside of it, slate senior editor and law and policy analyst and former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade. pete, you know this better than anybody. we were of course expecting this. walk us through what we learned today. >> well, this decision tracks very closely to the draft opinion written in february that was leaked in may. it makes the same arguments that there was no constitutional right to abortion, in order to find a constitutional right through the 14th amendment it must be deeply rooted in tradition and central to the

concept of liberty and the supreme court said the roe v. wade ruling flunks the test, said it was egregiously wrong in 1973 and it was wrong and has been damaging to the country. now, on this question of whether the decision undercuts other decisions that have found a right to privacy, like grist wald for contraceptives, justice alito goes out of his way twice to say make no mistake, we're ruling only on abortion and it's different because it involves a potential life. and justice kavanaugh in his concurrence says much the same. he says we're only deciding about abortion, not casting doubt on any of those other decisions. you're right that justice thomas said nonetheless he thinks the court should look back at some of those other decisions that depended on a concept of substantive due process. but the dissenter say the court

can't have it both ways. they have to stick with its decision or it only accounts for abortion, you can't have it both ways. some of those trigger law states depended on very quick action by the state attorney general to declare the court had overturned roe. in several weeks up to 30 days, i think the rest of the 24 states that are likely to ban abortion will join in as well. so this decision doesn't ban abortion nationwide, it just removes it as a constitutional right, leaving it up to the states and this is a first, katy, because the supreme court in history has never before granted a widely recognized constitutional right and then taken it back. so this is historic in many ways. >> pete, i know we're talking about a majority here but justice roberts, john roberts,

his majority concurrence was nuance. i wonder if not for one conservative justice, if it was one more liberal justice or moderate justice that maybe this would have gone in a different direction? >> without question. so he did not join his colleagues in overturning roe. to be clear, the central issue in this case, the one this court granted was can a state ban abortion before vie viability. and the following case was states cannot ban abortion before viability. they can restrict it. they can ban it after viability. roberts said that made no sense. he said the mississippi law should be upheld but he said the court should not have gone the rest of the way to overturn roe.

that wasn't necessary, he said and was going too fast. so it's 5-4 on overturning roe. >> pete williams, i know you're very busy. thank you for joining us this hour. julia, you were almost on the steps of the supreme court since this's fencing around the supreme court. what are you hearing out there from people reacting? >> that's right, katy, we can't get on the steps of the supreme court because there's a barricade that has been there since the opinion leaked in may. the crowd is getting denser and things are getting more tense by the hour here. we have a number of people on both sides, sometimes engaging in shouting matches. some are devastated and some are celebrating today. let's listen to some from the pro-life side overjoyed at this news. >> it's a roller coaster emotion. it's complete and utter joy that it was finally overturned but

the determination that the battle is not over. >> personally i've had people in my family have abortions and they have felt the regret years and years down the line and they're still dealing and facing with the trauma today. and if roe v. wade wouldn't have been legal inside the united states, i would have family members that i don't have today. >> as you can see, now we're having some more speakers come into the area and, katy, just behind me we have an increased presence from capitol police. they have now lined the barricade. you can't see behind this crowd but there are police in front of the barricade, in front of the supreme court. people are now getting quiet as we see more speakers come take the stage. unfortunately from here i can't say who that is but we are expecting some lawmakers to come out and speak to this crowd today. as congress tries to drum up support for how democrats could now work to try to codify rowe

since it has now been struck down today by this court. >> julia, thank you very much. dahlia, i want to put up polling on the trust in the supreme court right now and it has fallen yet again. we'll get that for you in just a moment. it's in the high 20s -- no, mid 20s, 25% right now. what does a decision like this do to the authority of the court? >> well, the place to start from is actually probably just september when the polling numbers were the lowest in gallup history and they were in the high 30s. so this is a precipitous drop to go from 38, 39% approval to 25 in just a matter of a few months. and i think the other way to think about those numbers is when you look at the polling about the proportions of

americans who did not want to see roe overturned and that number is in the 70s. in some sense you have an almost perfect correlation here of public here that was being thwarted by the way in september with texas's vigilante bill that allowed people to sue anybody who aided and abetted somebody getting an abortion. the supreme court let that go into effect on the shadow docket without any real meaningful reasoning. already then you were seeing the supreme court's approval plummeting. and now we're seeing it plummeting further still. so i think in some sense justice alito kind of prides himself in this opinion, i don't care what people think, i'm doing the right thing. but what you are seeing is that massive, massive disapproval of reversing roe and doing it this quickly just because you can is absolutely being seen,

manifestly seen, in disapproval for the court. >> let's focus on that for another question and talk about what we saw in the confirmation hearings for the conservative justices, most recently with cavanaugh and gorsuch, we believe in stare decisis. that was clearly not the case because it's only been a few months really since some of them have been holding the position that they're holding right now. >> yeah, this is one of those situations where that handful of lawmakers who are all releasing statements saying, what, what happened, might be the only people in america who believe those judges, now justices when they testified that, you know, roe v. wade was precedent, it

was the precedent of the court, they didn't have a quarrel with it. nobody thought that was true. in fact, donald trump expressly said of his three nominees for the first time in history that they'd been vetted to overturn roe. so i think they might be the only folks who were surprised. >> i think you might actually want to question whether they were using that as cover. i think it's a fair question to say were you using that as cover in order to cast that ballot. i do want to ask you, barbara, about one of the decisions that was cited frequently in this majority opinion by justice alito today. he kept citing ferguson, which was the decision to uphold separate but equal. how do you -- what do you think about using that decision as an example of when it's important for the court to go back and fix a wrong, implying that abortion is a wrong on the same scale, on

the same footing as segregation? >> i think this is a total straw man argument. i think they correctly surmise that most progressives think that brown versus the board of education was one of the most important and correctly decided cases in supreme court history. this is the one that ended separate but equal and permitted equality in schools. extremely important. but just because you overturn one precedent doesn't mean you get to overturn all precedents any time you think so. there is a series of questions that justices are supposed to ask themselves when deciding whether to overturn precedent. those are things like whether our understanding of the facts of law has changed, whether people have ordered their lives in reliance of the original rule and whether the original rule has become unworkable. in brown they had studies based on data that showed that children's self-esteem suffered when they were in a separate but

equal school situation. there's nothing that's changed in the world of roe. all of those tests support keeping roe v. wade on the books. instead they say it was egregiously wrong and therefore we overrule it. that is just substituting their judgment for the justices on the court in 1973 and that's what's not supposed to happen. >> if you allow me, i want to go back to something that pete williams made a point of on the top of the show, talking about justice clarence tom he's concurring and basically contraception, same-sex marriage and same-sex relationships. why is there an argument to be made that even though the majority tried to explicitly say that we are not looking at those decisions, why did pete say that there might be an argument, explain more, for why justice

clarence thomas might have more of a legal footing with what he was saying now that roe has been overturned? >> the foundation that underlies all of those decisions is the same one and that is a substantive due process right to privacy. and so if it doesn't exist for abortion, then it doesn't exist for any of these other things either. and so all of those other things are in jeopardy. now what justice alito says is nobody has an interest in dismantling any of those things. he's right there had to be a challenge, some state that makes it illegal to have same-sex marriage or have interracial marriage or to ban contraception. but if it does and it goes to the supreme court, there is no reason any legal doctrine to support it there if they pulled that chair out from under abortion rights. and so, you know, he wants to say we don't have to talk about that today and we don't, but justice thomas says it's out there and giving a signal to

anybody who wants to challenge these rights to now pass a law. if you live in a state where people are hostile to gay rights, for example, it wouldn't surprised me to see a law passed that bans same-sex marriage and we'll see it come up to the court and see perhaps the same result. >> very interesting. lawrence, gristwald and my apologies for blanking on lawrence. joining me now is the democratic lieutenant governor of california. lengthy, thank you very much. thank you for being here. california is a state that is ensuring the right to abortion access. what are you doing right now to enable people from states that are close by to come and get that health care? >> well, first, katy, thank you so much for having me on. this is truly a day that will live in infamy, the idea that a

constitutional protection that women have had in this country for 50 years and exercised for 50 years would be taken away by six people who somehow think they know better than we do is just outrageous. but here in california we've been getting ready and we will be ready. first and foremost people should know that the right to access an abortion is still legal in the state of california. and if things -- if we're successful, it will continue to be legal here for a long time. so we are amending our sugs, it will go to the ballot in november, to put the right to access contraception and abortion care in our constitution. we'll be on the ballot in november. and we're passing a whole slew of 14 bills that will make it more accessible in our state for women as well as for women who come from other states, red

states, which now as we know the decision of whether or not it's legal will fall to the states, approximately half the states are likely to outlaw it so we anticipate women from other states will come here and we will have an open door for those women as a sanctuary state. >> madam lieutenant governor, are you doing anything right now or considering anything given justice clarence thomas' concurrent opinion citing lawrence and gristwald? >> well, this is the next frontier that we're going to have to now fight and prepare for, which is essentially bodily autonomy. we're talking about essential freedoms that people have had the right to have and, you know, it really brings up this question who are these people? who are these six people? you know, 25% of americans have faith in the supreme court. what does that mean to this institution? you know, we have held up the

supreme court as this authority, as this very important and powerful institution of american democracy. sadly, i think that this decision is delegitimizing the supreme court. who is clarence thomas? is he my saudi arabian father who is going to tell me what i can and cannot do with my body, with my life? that's what this is coming down to. so these people have a misconception about who is going to listen to them. so my message to the women and to anyone seeking their reproductive freedom across this country is come to california. you will have that freedom here. but, secondly, be prepared to live in defiance of these six people who think that they have the right to tell you what you can do with their bodies. >> are you telling people to break the law? >> no. i am telling people that they

can access under california law their rights that were protected by the constitution. that is going to be held in defiance in some states. i would say, yes, prepare to defy. >> clarence thomas and amy coney barrett and brett kavanaugh and justice gorsuch were put in that position by -- voted in by a majority of americans and that's why we have a senate and a supreme court that looks that way. and i understand what mitch mcconnell did with merrick garland, so i'm leaving that aside. but there are 80 million people in this country who do not vote, 80 million people who say it's not worth it, nothing changes. what's your message to them? >> vote, particularly in these red states because for the

moment it's going to be left up to the state. again, in california it is legal, it will continue to be legal, but in those red states people need to organize, get in there and vote. and we need members of congress who will stand up for our right. >> governor, i'm so sorry. i got to ask you something. i understand where you're coming from, where you believe you're coming from. but in telling people to defy the supreme court, are you not worried about what message that sends for anything else the supreme court might rule on that you might agree with and others might not agree with? cate. >> katy, it's not my words, their own actions are undermining their legitimacy. this is a constitutional right that women have exercised for 50 years. i don't believe that it is legitimate for them to talk that -- take that right away from us. they cannot tell millions of

american women what to do with their bodies. this is not going to stop abortion, it is only going to make it more dangerous and harder to access. but women know, they know they have a god-given right to autonomy over their body and they're going to seek it out and clarence thomas is not going to tell them that they can't. >> i just see that argument being used in a different way and in a way that you might not agree with at all. i understand where you're coming from but anyway, lieutenant governor -- >> and, katie, let me just say independent institutions of american democracy are critically important, but it is not my words that weakens their authority, it is their action by doing this that is weakening the authority at the supreme court. >> lieutenant governor, thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. and still ahead, you have the power. what president biden says can be done to undo what the supreme

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with this decision, the conservative majority of the supreme court shows how extreme it is. addressing the american public from the white house, president biden called it a dark day in this country and he asked the majority of americans who disagree with the court's decision to help do something about it. joining me now from capitol hill is nbc news correspondent ali vitale and josh lederman. the president there speaking to americans saying that in order to do something about this, you got to vote, you got to vote for different people, you got to put them into a position of power to make it a federal law. >> that's right, katy. the president trying to take that frustration and dispay and really funnel that into a new call to action that is, frankly, fairly political. the president making explicit

comments today from the cross hall of the white house about the need to elect lawmakers in this november mid-term elections who will support codifying roe v. wade, codifying a right to an abortion into law. and it's not often that we will hear the president in that setting making as clear as he did today that this is about how people are going to vote. because as the president was very ready to admit, there is nothing he can do on his own to restore the right that the constitution according to the supreme court does not guarantee to abortion rights. and so the president saying, look, he can't sign an executive order that will undo what the supreme court did today. he can take steps and will take steps according to the white house at the federal agency level to try to help protect and enforce otherwise that would facilitate a woman's ability to go out and search for an abortion. for example, going from one state to another to try to get an abortion or making sure that

states on their own don't throw out the scientific advice of the fda, which has said that abortion medications are safe and effective for ending pregnancy. the president also making clear if anything is going to change to make sure this is a constitutionally protected right, this is something voters will have to do and he tried to make an optimistic, not close the door to that possibility in the future. president biden saying today is not the end of this and that you can make a difference and change the outcome of the situation, a message we expect to hear the president take on to the campaign trail as he begins to campaign for democrats in the mid terms with democrats now very focused on making abortion rights central to the mid-term elections, katy. >> let me understand he said to do it legally by voting. ali vitale, the make-up of congress right now, i know they've been trying to work on a bill that would protect and

codify a version of roe v. wade. does that have a chance? is anybody talking about that? >> people are talking about it. it doesn't mean that it has a chance. several weeks ago, the senate failed to pass the women's health protection act, that would have federally codified abortion as it's defined by roe v. wade's decision and taken into account the intervening 49 years, it could not get the number of republicans on board it avoid a filibuster. the same problem exists for that murkowski-collins plan and there therein in is the problem. even while i'm talking with lawmakers in the senate and the house today, all of them who are on the democratic side are enraged with you they have nowhere to channel that rage in terms of tangible next steps.

over the course of the last few weeks, i've been reporting leading up to this moment, what are democrats going to do beyond doing what josh said, which is just pushing ahead to november. i don't mean to trivialize that. the ballot box is an important place for voters to air these concerns but at the same time there are months between today and november and months after that where legislation doesn't exist to protect the health care for americans who want to access abortion care. they've been wanting access to shoring up the abortion pill, the most prevalent live used form of abortion and making sure women who want to travel between states can still do that. the white house didn't denounce any of those actions today and as democrats move forward, the only thing that they can do right now is push ahead to november. i do think the other piece of this and i heard you talking

about it earlier in the show, it's important, is the way this court was made up is because the supreme court justices from the trump era were confirmed. today some of those key senators, including susan collins are saying the promises they were made aren't bearing out to be true given that decision. >> i think it's a fair question to ask susan collins and joe manchin, their words that they were going to respect precedent, you know this, we covered the trump campaign together. the people that donald trump nominated were on a list from the federalist society and that list was -- had an implicit promise within it that they would go after things like roe v. wade. that was why they were on the list and that's what the president campaigned on. he campaigned on that, this is why you should vote for me, i will put these people into the supreme court and they did that. i wonder if it's fair to ask manchin and collins whether their words, they knew those

empty words, that they were empty and it was cover for them to make a vote they knew might be unpopular with some people in their state. >> reporter: i asked susan collins that very question after the leaked draft opinion came out did she have any concerns given the fact that she was assured by kavanaugh and other that they would respect the super precedent of roe and the precedent of casey as well and she in the moment then during those confirmations said she felt she trusted those justices on that issue and after the leaked draft opinion she told me and several other reporters that it concerned her and in a statement out today she's reaffirming, in effect, lied to by these justices. it kind of the theater of supreme court nominating, though, right? u not supposed to think the way -- in order to get in that position in the trump white

house, you had to be already seen being on a certain size of this litmus test anyway. >> you called it theater and that's exactly the way. and more breaking news out of washington. following the senate, the house has just passed the bipartisan gun reform bill. the vote was 234 to 19. that means 14 republicans joined all of the house democrats. it is a major victory for those worried about the rise in gun violence across the country. the measure expands mental health services for children and families and it enhances background checks for gun buyers between the ages of 18 and 21, including access to juvenile records. it offers financial support to states with red flag laws on the books and increases funding for crisis intervention programs, it toughens penalties for gun trafficking and closes the so-called boyfriend loophole which would restrict gun purchases for dating partners convicted of abuse. in the senate last night 15 republicans joined the

democrats, voting yes despite pressure from the nra. not to mention, a major supreme court ruling expanding access to guns and strengthening the second amendment. joining me now from capitol hill is julie sirkin and shannon watts. julie, the house passed it, the senate passed it, we're should see it on the president's desk soon? >> reporter: that's right, katy. we don't know exactly when he will sign the bill. this isn't everything that president biden wanted it isn't everything that democrats in the negotiating group and the leadership wanted. the house passed bills that would go a lot further. that is the most progress made on this issue in three decades. they're not going to have universal background checks, they're not going to have a ban on assault weapons or raising

the age to 21 on some assault weapons. last night there were organizers, shooting survivors, including from the groups moms demand action and others like sandy hook promise. one of them told me i thought this would take decades to do, this seemed to have happened overnight and i am speechless. >> what do you make of the other republicans, especially in the senate, joining the democrats? >> well, look, there. that is no small feat, especially on this issue. they've been going after that particularly for the last decade. democrats acknowledge they're not going to be automobile to ge in unless they make concessions and compromises. i think the pressure from the nra, of course it if procedurally they were on the

floor defending their vote because they were afraid of the heat brought on by the nra. regardless an called this a sensible approach to gun reform. >> shannon, in the capacity as of moms demand action, what is your reaction to this? >> thrilled. i was sitting there as this historic vote took place last night and was talking to senators who came to visit us. so many volunteers in the room and have been waiting for this moment for a decade and senator murphy said we're about to break the gun lobby. when the sandy hook school shooting happened, there was not a grass roots army like moms demand action that could go toe to toe with the gun lobby, that could shine a light on the nra and show how construct and deadly their agenda is. it took us a while to build that, right, and it's what i

call the unglamorous heavy lifting of grass roots activism. back then about a quarter of all democrats had an a rating from the nra. today none do and we had republicans join us. we finally broke the log jam. and let's be clear, this is just a step on the path, right? this is not everything we wanted but it is a way to start the communication to show them the political sky won't fall when they vote with their constituents and when they vote to save lives. and that was a really important moment. >> all right. so i'm sure there are people out there who say, listen, this doesn't go far enough, we need universal background checks, there should be an age limit to who can buy or when you can buy an assault rifle. what do you have say to those people, shannon? >> i agree. we need all of those things and that's what we will keep fighting for. the work doesn't end today. it actually is just beginning. we have to keep working to pass laws through city councils and

school boards but this is breaking the log jam. it is a step forward, it will be life saving on so many different levels and we have to take this momentum into the voting booth in november. the polling is showing that women and moms, particularly in the suburbs are outraged at what is happening in this country. they are the new swing voters, these gun safety voters. we have to keep organizing, getting out the vote. when you don't have a seat at the table, you are on the menu. >> you hit a really good point there. mitch mcconnell said out loud that he was voting for the gun rights bill or the gun reform bill, the bipartisan gun legislation because he said it's no the secret that republicans have been losing in the suburbs. so there's this and now i wonder what this decision by the supreme court might mean for republicans in the suburbs with

those very voters you were just describing, shannon. ladies, thank you very much for being with me. still ahead, what activists are doing at the state level to keep women who need abortions safe? plus, at least two states outlawed abortion in just the last couple of hours. what options will those people in those states have? le in those states have in real time and that's... how you collect coins. your money never stops working for you with merrill, a bank of america company. lemons. lemons, lemons, lemons. look how nice they are. the moment you become an expedia member, you can instantly start saving on your travels. so you can go and see all those, lovely, lemony, lemons. ♪ and never wonder if you got a good deal. because you did. ♪

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of planned parenthood of the rocky mountains. her clinic in denver has already been taking patients from texas and now it is preparing to take even more. ladies, thank you. bridget, you were involved in these cases and i said you were. do they still stand in are they still viable cases now that the supreme court has overturned roe? >> we're still going to be fighting in the courts, in as many places as we can. obviously the landscape has changed dramatically and so much human suffering is going to happen as a result of the decision. we are not going to be able to hold the line in certain states like we have been in the past but from the litigation perspective, we're looking at state courts and state constitutions. we already have challenges pending under state constitutions in several places. we'll be looking to add to those challenges. so moving challenges from federal court to state court and supporting the ballot access

initiatives that are happening in various states, supporting abortion funds. these are all going to be the tools in the tool box that we need to reduce the harm and eventually make things better. >> can you explain why those cases might still be valid to fight? i'm a little unclear on that. >> the decision really just talked about the federal constitutional right to abortion. it says nothing about whether states independently under their own constitution can protect abortion. and, in fact, many states already had decided that their state fusions -- constitutions protect abortion. so florida is an example. there's already protection under the florida constitution regardless of what the federal constitution says and we have a challenge right now to the 15-week abortion ban -- >> so the constitution in florida protects it even though the legislature in florida does not? >> correct. >> interesting.

i didn't know that. okay. so those cases are still going to have a legal challenge, a basis -- okay. let me ask you this, dr. tossi. you are running a clinic in the rocky mountains in denver. you've already seen patients from texas. what are you doing now that there's going to be a lot of other states around colorado with women who will be seeking abortions? >> we have a multi-facetted abortion expansion plan to increase access for any patient who can travel and see us within one of the states that our affiliate covers. that includes increasing our breck and -- brick and mortar

access. >> [ inaudible ]. >> patients convey frustration, anger, sadness, feeling like the legislatures in their home states don't can care about them and that the law is dictating personal choices and that is very challenging for patients to accept and then to overcome all of the barriers to travel and seek health care with us. >> bridget, i've got a couple of technical questions for you. the access to the abortion pill, can it be mailed from state to state now or is that illegal? >> it depends on the state. right now it's a state-by-state issue. we've heard president biden about efforts to expand access to medication abortion. right now there are states that say the medication abortion has to be handed by a doctor in a clinic and if abortion is banned, that can't happen in that state.

that's one of the really distressing things about the decision. in addition to the human suffering it's causing, on top of that we have a lot of chaos and confusion. i will say if people need abortion, there are resources available, abortionfinder.org is keeping track of the open clinics. >> what about when a woman's life is threatened? you talk about chaos and confusion, i assume there are providers now or doctors and hospitals in e.r.s who are wondering when they're supposed to save the life of the woman and when they're not supposed to. >> exactly and more chaos and confusion it will lead to human suffering. i will say most of the abortion bans i'm familiar with in the various states that are going to a take effect do have exception to protect the life of the patient and sometimes a medical emergency exception if there is a substantial emergency but all of thieves definitions and exception are written differently so it really is a

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both sides of this controversial, divisive issue. we have both sides gathered in what is called the pink house. this is a trigger law state. i should point out this is one of 13 trigger law states in the south which means here in mississippi, there's a ten-day window before this becomes official. so the attorney general will have to certify this ruling from the supreme court and the attorney general here in mississippi tweeted out today that this is a victory and commended the decision by the supreme court so based on what she said, it's likely that she will make this official. if that's the case, the last remaining abortion clinic will have to close. they knew this day could come any day now so they were galvanizing a group of supporters, raising funds to help women find abortion access beyond the state of mississippi,

but it's going to be a tall order because it will take hours to reach locations like illinois and new mexico where this abortion clinic hopes to move and offer services there where it would not be so limiting, but once again, i think it is interesting to note, we are standing here in the state capitol now, we don't stee the demonstrations here, but a couple of miles away at the abortion clinic, and we have the momentum, the divisiveness, obviously the two groups going at it, but this is something they have been preparing for so no real surprise. >> thank you very much. and cal, what about you? >> reporter: so look, you can see behind me, and i'm at the only planned parenthood in missouri that used to provide abortions to women. they stopped this morning because abortion became illegal. at least illegal to provide an abortion here in missouri after the supreme court ruling because the attorney general in this state signed that proclamation

as quickly as he could. the governor, attorney general and state legislature here is very conservative, so it wasn't a surprise. there's a small crowd here of pro-choice protesters. we saw a face off earlier today, but that has waned. this is a personal moment for millions of women. one of them, cori bush. i had a chance to talk to her today. take a listen. >> i'm standing at the place where i had my own abortion care, services, at 18 years old. i got raped when i was 17. as we're talking, we're sitting with the secretary, that announcement was made. it, it broke my heart because i'm thinking about the people who today found out that they were pregnant. who found out they were pregnant a few weeks ago and are trying to figure out what to do.

it takes more than a minute to make a decision that will affect your life for years to come. and affect the life of another human being, it's not something that people can automatically just make the decision in a matter of weeks or a matter of a couple of days or a few hours. sometimes it takes time. and we're stripping that from people. >> that was cori bush sharing some of our personal story. a reminder now it is a class d felony that comes with five to 15 years in prison. she added to me that she wanted to tell women here in missouri, you can go to illinois this weekend, get an abortion. the governor there, governor pritzker, has made it a part of his campaign. that is the reality here in missouri and of course, it is a geographical, regional problem because there are many states that have those trigger laws. >> i see a small crowd behind you, but what is the reaction to some drivers driving by? >> people are honking.

screaming. when the pro-life folks were out here, the supporters were honking and screaming. now you have pro-choice folks and you have people honking and screaming in support of them. i haven't seen too much of a face off though i am worried about this location because it is the only location that did provide abortions. i think you're going to see crowds swell here over the weekend. >> thank you very much for joining us. that is going to do it for me today on a very, very big day for the country. hallie jackson picks up our coverage, next. jackson picks u coverage, next i'm a bit of a foodie. perfect. but not much of a chef. yes! ♪ wayfair you've got just what i need. ♪ you're pretty particular about keeping a healthy body. what goes on it. usually.

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any minute, we are going to hear from kamala harris with a white house telling nbc news in the last couple of news that the vice president will address that supreme court ruling on abortion. that landmark decision that overturned roe versus wade. you're going to see it here when the vice president steps up to the microphone. it's happening in states across the country are moving really fast after the decision. any minute, arkansas will give an update on abortion access there. five hours after the decision came down and now in at least five state, people who woke up in missouri, kentucky and oklahoma with the right to abortion now no longer have that right with the procedure banned in those states and eight others with similar trigger laws. that's expected to happen in a matter of days as we enter this new era. a history making moment that is antiabortion