any minute, we are going to hear from kamala harris with a white house telling nbc news in the last couple of news that the vice president will address that supreme court ruling on abortion. that landmark decision that overturned roe versus wade. you're going to see it here when the vice president steps up to the microphone. it's happening in states across the country are moving really fast after the decision. any minute, arkansas will give an update on abortion access there. five hours after the decision came down and now in at least five state, people who woke up in missouri, kentucky and oklahoma with the right to abortion now no longer have that right with the procedure banned in those states and eight others with similar trigger laws. that's expected to happen in a matter of days as we enter this new era. a history making moment that is antiabortion activists

celebrating, abortion rights advocates, devastated. the question now where does the fight go next? to the white house. you're looking at it live. to congress. to state houses across the country. so over the next 60 minutes, we'll tick you live to those key places where decisions are happening. we'll take you outside the supreme court where you just saw some of those demonstrations and we're seeing protests all across the country. these are some of those. in st. louis, chicago. just ahead, we'll speak to the governor of one state where abortion rights could soon disappear. governor whitmer will join us live. we're in washington on an extraordinary friday along with our nbc news team. julia, you're there where demonstrations have been happening. tell us what it's like. >> hallie, if you want to know

just how divided our country is, look no further than the crowd behind me. we've seen abortion rights activists face off today, get in each other's faces. bull horns. you name it. even coming close to really conflicting. mainly stayed peaceful. we've had a number of speakers come behind me today. it's been quite fraught. capitol police are lining up mainly to protect a lot of those democrats who have come here today to speak to the court. had the opportunity to speak to people from both sides. some celebrating. some really disappointed. let's listen to what they've had to say. >> this feels like a betrayal. it feels like my country doesn't love me and appreciate my body as a woman. i can't even chant because i can't say anything. it just hurts. the feeling of just despair and

feeling you have nothing that you can do except for just cry out for help and no one's listening to you. >> i've had people in my family have abortions and they have felt the regret years and years down the line and they're still dealing and facing with trauma today. if roe v. wade wouldn't have been legal inside of the united states, i wouldn't have family members that i don't have today. >> i'm going over to the other side especially. it was, i want to sit down. the people there -- how. >>. >> some incredibly emotional people here today even though we knew what was coming because of the leak of this opinion that we got in may, it really doesn't take away the shock and it certainly doesn't relieve the pressure and attention that you're seeing here behind me.

>> as of now, missouri, south dakota, louisiana, kentucky, oklahoma, have now triggered, right, we talk about trigger laws. that trigger has been pulled in those five states. with a sixth adding arkansas expected to happen any minute with this news conference happening i believe as we speak as we're on the air here. talk to us about how you have seen this domino effect go into place almost instantaneously after the decision came down this morning. >> so the trigger laws that have been in place for some time say abortion becomes illegal in those states once the supreme court overturns roe v. wade. that was the triggering event. but in some state, there's a built-in pause. some of these states you're seeing take immediate action didn't have a pause. some states have a ten-day pause. some have a 30-day pause. so at the end of 30 day, we would expect all the 13 trigger laws to have gone into effect making abortion illegal in those

states. and then i would say in the coming weeks and months, it will become illegal in the rest of the roughly 24 states that we believe would either immediately or very quickly ban abortion, too. so we'll have a situation in which it's legal in half the country and illegal in the other half of the country. and then of course because of the supreme court's decision saying that it's up to the state, each of those other states in the country where abortion is legal can now consider additional restrictions or bans. one thing the dissenters say, justice stephen brier, sotomayor, even though the court talks about leaving it up to the states, congress could make it illegal nationwide if it wanted to. >> thank you. you keyed it up well for ali on

capitol hill. it is congress. we have seen a lot of reaction from lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. we know the senate judiciary committee is planning to meet next month when lawmakers return to discuss what they call is the grim reality in their view according to the democratic chairman in this world. >> yes, but just because this is where the fight goes next doesn't mean that the fight is really going anywhere. democrats tried to codify protection in may. the housemanaged to pass that bill, but the senate didn't. they didn't have the votes, not even all democrats were lined on that. that's why what's happened today is so striking. julia mentioned the point people knew this was coming. it doesn't lessen the rage that i have seen and heard from lawmakers who are texting me, who i'm seeing here in the halls and congresswoman cortez exhibits that nicely. i'll show you what she said. >> what the supreme court did is

they chose to endanger the lives of all women and all people in this country. they've chosen to strip rights from men, too. because frankly, the right to our own bodies an right to form our families, this is something that belongs to all of us and it does not belong to lawmakers. to nine supreme court justices. >> and i think it's really important she makes this point it's not just a one-gender issue here. this impacts women and men alike, this right to be able to access abortions. i think that the larger message here in the halls of congress is that because they are so ham strung on what they can do, the fight then moves to november. it's something that nearly every democratic lawmaker has said today, the fact this needs to be a galvanizing issue in the midterms because beyond that, beyond pressuring the white

house on a few executive orders that could in the short-term shore up some access, there's largely nothing that this body can do on this issue now that the supreme court has ruled this way. >> ali, we are looking live at what is happening outside the supreme court and there's new info coming in from your colleagues there that the capitol police presence around the capitol has been stepped up today. officers in riot gear appearing at times when lawmakers made the trip to the court. they're also saying now that at the nearby capitol, tour, which restarted only weeks ago, have been canceled for today. people who live in washington or visited washington often know this, but this is the court is like right outside, you know t front of the backyard of the capitol. it's a stone's throw away. all very close to each other which is why we're hearing from capitol police on this front. >> yeah, they're effectively neighbors. so when you see those crowds over there, the roads that are around the building that i'm standing in have been closed in anticipation of this frankly for

weeks because after that leak draft opinion, it was a preview of the kind of outpouring that was going to happen at the supreme court. a massive landmark decision here. they knew there was going to be protests and so in advance of that, they did step up the security here as soon as this decision came down. we saw capitol tours stop because of the ways that the entrances to this building are so close to where all of those protests and where our colleague julia is standing over there. so a stepped up security posture. even as lawmaker, many of them democrats, crossed and walked out of one entrance of the capitol and went over to the supreme court to join those people who were protesting, too. >> ali live for us on the hill. josh, we are waiting to hear from the vice president. she is traveling in illinois. we showed that last shot a moment ago. we think that is going to happen any minute. she is expected to talk about the supreme court decision. you heard that from president biden. just in the last few hours. he spoke around 12:30, blaming

the three justices apointed by former president trump. >> he even brought up president trump by name. there was another man president biden name checked in his comments. justice thomas and that dissenting opinion as president biden pointed out, talked about potentially reevaluates other cases that have protected the rights to same-sex marriage, to contraception, even the lawrence versus texas decision that outlawed states from making it criminal for relations between people of the same sex. as you saw president biden trying to broaden the coalition in a new call to action to voters ahead of the midterm election to say this is not just about women or people who care about abortion rights, but it's much broader and that voters will have a say. watch. >> this decision must not be the

final word. my administration used all of its appropriate lawful power, but congress must act and with your vote, you can act. you can have the final word. this is not over. >> the president saying they'll do everything in their power for women to still seek abortions in states where they don't live. if they live in a state that has outlawed abortion, but the president saying this has to be left up for voters and the flip side is that republicans now have the opposite argument to make after decades really of telling voters elect republicans who will nominate the kind of justices who will overturn roe versus wade, they have newfound credibility. we're hearing from former president trump, nominated half of the justices who voted in this decision today, that

ultimately overturned roe versus wade. president trump saying in that statement that it is a big win for life. the biggest win for life in a generation that is only made possible because he delivered everything he promised and that is an argument you're going to hear from a lot of republicans as they head out to the campaign trail this fall. >> the other piece we've heard, too, is consternation from some democratic lawmakers about what they heard during the confirmation hearings for those justices that then president trump had appointed regarding the precedence of upholding the supreme court. >> you have senators who came out during the confirmation hearing anned assured voters and the public that it was okay they were voting to confirm these conservative justices because they had gotten reassurances that supreme court nominees make to senators ahead of their confirmation votes that they

weren't inclined to overturn decades of well established precedents. something the nominees did tell senators behind the scenes. now those senators coming out saying that they had the wool pulled over their eyes. they had a different expectation from how these justices would act if the issue came before the court than they had in the ruling today. >> josh, thank you. i'm going to ask you to stand by. that program is just beginning now where vice president harris is expected to speak. michigan is among the 26th state expected to ban abortion based ond today's decision by the supreme court. >> how do they have the right to tell me or any woman what she can do with her body? >> we're starting to see the

downfall of america. >> strong words. >> taking rights away from people is a really big deal and how do we get those back? >> i'm joined now by the governor of those women you saw in that state in michigan. thank you so much for being on with us this afternoon. >> i wish i could say i'm glad to be here, but i'm glad for the coverage you're giving it. >> we're coming on with developing news from your state because you have just filed a motion to try to protect access to abortion. we reported on this when it happened in the string, michigan's 1931 law that banned abortion was temporarily put on hold. you're now seeking further action. how confident are you that you'll be able to get a final ruling in your favor? >> predicting what is going to happen in the courts is also a dicesy thing to do, but we have precedent and law on our side. for 49 years, michigan women have had the right to make decisions around healthcare, i have filed this lawsuit a few months ago and a lot of people

thought it was too early or not necessary, but today, it was and it is and trying to encourage the court to act swiftly. we're trying to keep this 1931 from going into effect. no exceptions for rape or incest. so my ask is under the state constitution to weigh due process and equal protection. >> if that temporary hold is lifted, governor, what option then would you have that you could take? unilaterally. >> it's difficult. we've got the injunction. we've got my lawsuit. i'm hopeful the supreme court renders a decision quickly. that's why we are working everything angle across government to make sure that actions we're taking do everything to observe women's autonomy and right to privacy. it's unknown and it's a very

scary time. >> is there anything you're prepared to do as governor to help women in your state, travel to other states for abortion access if it were to come to that? >> well, if it comes to that, of course so long as i'm governor, i'll explore that. one of the scariest things though, this 1931 law isn't extreme enough for some of the legislature right now. they're introducing bills to criminalize nurses and put them in prison for ten years. every republican running for governor has endorsed this 1931 law so this just tells you while i was raised by a pro-choice republican father, that party no longer exists and even though 70% of the people of this state are supportive of a woman having that right to make her own decision, the leaders in the gop right now are working harder and harder every day to make it more and more cumbersome and scary for women. that's why this moment is so scary and stark and why this upcoming election is going to be

so crucial. >> what i hear from you is what president biden and speaker pelosi have talked about today, the importance of the idea elections have consequences. do you believe that this could be a galvanizing moment for democrats in november in these midterm elections? >> 70% of the people of the state support a woman's right to make her own healthcare decisions. the most important economic decision a woman will make over the course of our lifetime is whether and when to have a child. we need to trust women. empower women. when 70% of the public feels that same way, it tells you this is important so i do think your going to see a whole new level of engagement and i want every pro-choice person to know you've got a space at my table. you need to join this fight. >> have you had an opportunity today, i know you've been incredibly busy, have you had a

chance to talk with women in michigan about what this means for them? >> i have. i've been down round tables. i did one in -- >> saw it on nbc news now. >> it's important to listen to women. there are women across our country who avail themselves of the reproductive options and healthcare, the health and welfare of their family, of the ability to have children in the future, for the ability to save their own lives. no one knows all the things an individual woman is concerning. no one can make that decision for her. yet six supreme court justics just ripped her ability to do it. it is now left to the 50 states to figure this out and i want to make sure my kids and every woman in michigan has the right

i had. >> governor, thank you very much for being with us. i'm sure we'll talk again in the weeks to come. i want to get to our nbc news team who you heard the governor talk about the state fight. we have our team out in the states. cal perry is in st. louis. jake ward is in san francisco. cal, let me start with you in missouri where we're seeing a statement from the governor there that already bans doctors from performing abortions in the state saying it creates criminal liability for any person who knowingly performs and subjects their license to suspension. what are you seeing in missouri hours after this decision has come down? >> i'm outside the only place where you could receive an abortion in the state before this ruling. the planned parenthood here in st. louis and this morning, planned parenthood informed the department of health here in the state that they are providing abortions for the first time in

50 years. that follows the attorney general here in the state. in 2019, they signed the trigger law that would make abortion legal if the supreme court did what it did today and that happened. you can see behind me a small crowd of pro-choice protesters. we've seen the crowd kind of come and go today. there were pro-life folks here today. the pro-life movement here certainly the right to life pack here in the state is incredibly powerful. they are very happy and that. pro-choice folks are devastated by today's decision. just so our viewers are aware, the statute is a felony class b crime now. if you provide somebody with an abortion, it is five to 15 years in prison as well as you could lose that license. i spoke to representative cori bush earlier in the day and she wanted to make sure women in the state who had appointments today or this weekend knew they could

now go to illinois. it will be a regional problem because of these trigger laws. states are going to make it more difficult for people to travel outside and find an abortion. there's the bigger issue and you talk to planned parenthood. it is about the right to healthcare. about larger issues and people here are worried with how right the state leans and how conservative the state is and the current politicians in power, that we could see further laws changed here on the ground following this decision. >> cal perry in st. louis. kathy park is in jackson, mississippi, the state where this case originated. about 40 minutes from now, they expect to update us and the reporters there on the ground. what do we expect? >> that is right. we have on the ground here for a couple of days. we're in front of the capital

right now where we're not seeing the demonstrations. in fact, a few miles away is that last standing abortion clinic and we have a colleague over there and i just got an update saying there are only a handful of protestors if that. the news crews outnumber the demonstrators and you know what, leading up to this point, a lot of folks say because of the leak in may, they knew that this day was coming. so the pro-choice advocates are disappointed by this decision. they are angered. however, they said this was not a surprise so we should be hearing from the director in just a few moments and likely get some guidance about what happens next here in mississippi. cal, as you saw, was in one of those trigger state, mississippi. here in mississippi specifically, there's a ten-day window where the attorney general has to certify the decision. so there is that pause

essentially. we were told the clinic will be operating through that ten-day window but of course that last remaining clinic here will close. what happens after that? they have been working behind the scenes to open up another clinic in the state of new mexico. and also they have different organizers, organizations, and other non-profits that they've been working with to have the resources that they can share with those women who want to get abortions legally and safely beyond the state of mississippi, but that will be difficult especially for women of color. poor women who don't necessarily have the means to travel, pay the air fair. take off time from work. so the closest state being illinois. we're told they can travel between seven and 22 hours to get these abortions legally and safely. >> thank you. i should note the vice president kamala harris is stepping to the stage as we wait for her to get her remarks, i quickly will go

to you because you are in a state that is taking a very different task. california is working to shore up abortions, not just in its state, but in neighbors states as well. >> that's right. in a sense, i'm standing in a different nation than the one that cal and kathy are standing in. in this state where you have new laws, about 13 of thechl. they do everything from empower nurses to provide first trimester abortion services. they provide funding to out of state patients and we're expecting in about half an hour, the governor will sign a bill here in california that will further enshrine the constitutional right to abortion services under the state constitution. so an extraordinarily different environment here than the one you're talking to cal and kathy about there. and of course, that makes people who are in favor of reproductive

choice very grateful to live here. >> i feel worried about people who aren't in california and may not have the same benefit of their state's rights. just concerned about the direction of the country and the court because i always looked up to the supreme court and thought that they were objective. >> not only are we seeing moves in the public sphere, we're seeing extraordinary moves from planned parenthood. they're going to be making big expansions here. >> jake ward live in california. we'll go now to the vice president who's talking about this decision now. >> today, as of right now, as of this minute, we can only talk about what roe v. wade

protected. past tense. this is a healthcare crisis because understand millions of women in america will go to bed tonight without access to the healthcare and reproductive care that they had this morning. without access to the same healthcare or reproductive healthcare that their mothers and grandmothers had for 50 years. this is the first time in the history of our nation that a constitutional right has been taken from the people of america

and what is that right, some might ask? it's the right to privacy. as the right for each person to make intimate decisions about heart and home. decisions about the right to start a family including contraception such as iuds. the morning after pill. decisions about whether to have a child including as senator durbin mentioned, in vitro fertilization. decisions to marry the person you love. loving versus virginia.

this opinion also says when you read it that abortion is not deeply rooted in our nation's history. they offer that in the opinion as a foundation for the decision they rendered today. in holding that, it is not deeply rooted in our history, today's decision on that theory then calls into question other rights. that we thought were settled such as the right to use birth control. the right to same-sex marriage. the right to interracial marriage. the great aspiration of our nation has been to expand freedom.

but the expansion of freedom clearly is not inevitable. it is not something that just happens. the strength of our nation has also been that we move forward. today, i invite all people to stand together in defense of one of the most fundamental ideals that for generations for centuries we have held dear, which is that fundamental principle about the importance

of liberty. to stand for liberty. to stand for freedom. to stand for self-determination. and for the right to privacy. you have the power to elect leaders who will defepd your rights and as the president said today, with your vote, you can act and you have the final word. so this is not over. god bless you and god bless america. >> you have been listening to vice president kamala harris speaking in illinois. clearly with deeply held passion on this issue. a deeply held speech from the vice president there. this fight is not over as she

talked about the potential for other rights that could be lost in the wake of today's supreme court decision overturning roe versus wade. i want to bring in you congresswoman jackie spear from colorado and -- for your patience, too, as we listened to that speech from vice president harris, a speak that will make history on a day that makes history because of who she is and her role in this country on a day like today. i'll ask both to give your reaction. congresswoman pressly, i'll start with you. >> i think she gave voice to the anger, sense of betrayal that everyone who values freedom, the constitutional right to healthcare and abortion care is healthcare is feeling at this

moment. and that will be bore by our most marginalized. there's a crisis, an issue that -- three to four times more likely to die in childbirth. we know for those who don't have means to travel to safe haif b haven states, they'll be left with no option. so this is a matter of life and death for our lgbtq siblings, the disabled, low income women, women of color, black women. the fact we find ourselves as she said with fewer rights this evening than we started with this morning, we could be talking about forced birth in a country that does not have paid leave. does not have childcare on the heels of a baby formula shortage. we just celebrated juneteenth.

a celebration of freedom. and the fact that our bodily autonomy, my bodily autonomy, that of my daughter, our reproductive freedom and rights, that this supreme court has obstructed the will of the people so every lever must be pulled. every level of government must be engaged. i'm a co-lead of the women's health protection act. i chair the abortion rights task force. the act would codify roe v. wade and the right to abortion here. a right we have had for 50 years that was just rolled back. the senate, the filibuster must be abolished and the senate must pass this and codify the right to abortion care. >> congresswoman spear, i'll go to you and i know you are short on time so i want to ask you, when we heard from vice

president harris that the fight is not over, it must continue, what is the most effective avenue just in a practical, con treat, strategic way. what's the next step you will take to shore up protection for abortion access on the federal level? >> thank you. i think the first thing we need to do is help women across this country recognize that medication abortion, which is the form of a pill that a woman takes is available to them that voft 59% of women actually have an abortion with meditation pills and that we make that readily available to them. i support what the vice president said and what my colleague has said. this is the greatest setback of woman's right in the history of this country. we've never had the supreme court take away rights from people and it's ironic that yesterday they expanded the rights for gun owners and today,

they're taking rights away from women to control their own body. they are in fact mandating government mandates of pregnancy in this country. it cannot stand we aregoing to take it to the november elections. we need to pix up two senate seats to have an opportunity to have more clout in the senate. we need to get to 60 if we're going to overturn the filibuster and i think that we have got to all stops are out. we have to take the steps necessary to protect women. have the women of this country could be criminalized because they live in states that are not going to be offering abortion. >> justice alito suggests it calls into decision decisions that protect for example the right to birth control access,

same-sex marriage, et cetera set but we've stated -- precedents that do not concern abortion. however, as thomas wrote, in future case, we should consider all of due process precedent including griswold, lawrence. do you think that is a realistic risk at this point? in other words, how much do you believe this supreme court as it is made up could roll back where we are? >> i think it's a real threat. i think it's a threat to have a national ban on abortion. that's why my state of california, we can't take that lightly because we've got great laws on the books. and the governor's about to sign one that enshrines in the constitution. i absolutely believe they are on a path to ban contraception. to affect trans persons in terms of their rights. to ban same-sex marriages and

have an effect on lgbtq rights in this country. there's a war out there. >> that's right. this is not a drill. this sets a dangerous precedent that would allow the court to undermine other rights. there's no low these people won't go. so whether you need abortion care or not, this impacts everyone in our society and it's critical we fight back. our destinies are tied and this is not a drill. we put advocates on if front lines of this fight for years have feared that a moment like this could come and here we find ourselves and we have got to keep fighting because this opinion takes straight aim at the fundamental right to privacy. and we need a whole of government approach. i appreciate the vice president's remarks. the president earlier. we are calling on this white house. i read a letter with the black

caucus to use the full weight of this presidency to do everything possible. >> thank you both so much for being with us. i appreciate it. you've heard from members of congress, of course. i want to bring in somebody on the front lines of this fight. amy miller, founder and ceo of whole woman's health. good to have you back on the show. thank you for being with us. help us understand what's happening on the ground. are your clinics of this moment providing abortion services to women in texas? >> so as you know, we have clinics in texas. four clinics in texas. we also have clinics outside of texas. in our organization, what happened immediately when this was announced, the two different americas. in texas, services had to be suspended. clinics in minnesota, maryland, virginia and indiana are able to

continue to see patients and are welcoming people from the states where abortion has been banned. >> how are you managing what you describe as the two different americas that you are seeing here as it relates to abortion access? >> it is devastating for us in texas. the human right is essential medical care and people have been banned from getting abortions in texas at this point. remains to be seen whether we will be able to litigate in texas. texas has a myriad of laws that are at play right now as you might expect. a trigger ban as well as a criminal ban that predates roe and our attorney general tweeted that abortion was illegal in

texas, which we don't agree with. but we had to stop operations for now to protect our staff and patients and we're also preparing for a surge in our clinics outside of texas. we have been caring for texans for months. that's what we're going to see more and more of in this country as some states block people's rights and others try to protect people's rights. >> is it among the options on the table to move those clinics that you have this texas to neighboring states for example? >> some kind of way that the abortion care system and workforce and those of us who have worked in clinics for generations in the midwest and the south. for now being banned from doing

the work that we are trained to do and that we love to do could relocate our clinics to safe haven states. from texas we could go to new mexico or colorado or illinois. from other banned states. we could move our clinics and add care options for people who are going to be migrating to states that will be, it will be hard pressed to accommodate the folks that are going to be flooding into the states that remain. >> quickly before i let you go, i know you have been inundated today, but also been on the phone with your staffers who work in texas. what are you hearing from them? >> our staff on the front lines in texas are some of the bravest, but also some of the deepest and most compassionate people i have met in my lifetime. they want to be there until the last day to see as many patients as possible. in fact, they asked if we could see patients this sunday and add a day because we thought the

decision might come down next week. they were there in person today and had to stop care and talk to the patients one-on-one and you know, for us, these things aren't abstract. they're real. and we change the course of people's lives today by being forced to deny them the abortion care they came to us to provide. >> it is important to hear from you today. appreciate your time. up next, where the anti-abortion movement goes next. i mean, "riders" is cool, but "bikers"...is really cool. -seriously? -denied. can we go back to meeting at the rec center? the commute here is brutal. movement goes next denied. how do we feel about getting a quote to see if we can save with america's number one motorcycle insurer? should flo stop asking the same question every time? -approved! -[ altered voice ] denied! [ normal voice ] whoa.

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overturned. of course others in that 30%, see it as a huge victory. people who have been fight for this ruling for decades. i want to bring in the president of susan b. anthony. i was struck by something i saw from mike pence who released a statement and i have it here, saying that the anti-abortion movement cannot rest and must not relent in his words until the sanctity of life is restored to the center of american law, he says in every state in the land. in every state, he says. what are the next steps? for the anti-abortion movement in your view? >> well, the next steps are to maximize our momentum that we have been building for other 50 years and that is to build strength for life in every state to be as ambitious for life and for mothers in every single state. so that means doing what we can to build consensus.

to allow the wheels of democracy to turn. to take that finger off the scale that the supreme court put on in 1973. to relent in its shutting down of the voice of the people. the impact of the supreme court shutting down the voice of the people in 1973 was everything that we've seen since then. marching. conflict. instability. the violence you see. what our founders meant us to do was to work together. allow us to go into the public square and make our best argument and may the best argument win. the pro-life argument has not been allowed to flourish. while it has gained strength in the hearts and minds of men and women. i have to mention something you mentioned at the top. 60-30 roe v. wade versus not is not reflected at all of the will of the people of this country.

democrats, women. want restrictions that roe versus wade simply doesn't allow. for instance, stopping abortion after the first trimester. these are the types of questions that will be argued out in the public square now after 50 years of just fighting to open that door. >> i want to be clear about what that polling shows. the question was specifically about roe versus wade. not about the other things that now come into play, come into question now that it's been overturned. i heard you say something, you said consensus. this is a moment for consensus in this country. i'm wondering if you can expand on that. because at this moment, we are more divided than we were just yesterday when it comes to abortion access given the way we are seeing states diverge and no federal procedure in place for abortion access. so at this moment of what feels like very deep division, where

do you see the consensus? >> i think what we see is violence and aggression and anger. that isn't necessarily a measure at all of where the will of the people is in every single state and in the u.s. in general. the anger build in each state. >> okay. >> i don't think we're more divided than we were. i think there has been a constant consensus built over time about where the american people, frankly, state by state is obviously divergent and that's the job now, is to build a consensus every state and allow the wheels of democracy to turn, to make sure that we get at the place where consensus is. both ends of the spectrum will probably not get what they want, but consensus means in every other human rights battle that we've had in our nation that's had such a level of vitriol and difficulty and dissent has been

addressed and in a peaceful way through the voice of the people reflected in their elected representatives and in this case, it will be allowing that voice to make its way into every law and that to protect as many lives as we can and to serve the women who are facing a difficult moment. >> i know you mentioned violence and anger. only because we had this up on a split screen, marjorie. the peaceful protests that are happening outside of the supreme court, and they have been peaceful throughout the day and we're looking at this again. we heard from congresswoman corey bush. she had a legal abortion after she was raped. we had a live report from missouri earlier on the show. she was on the air saying the supreme court ruling she believes was politically motivated, and i want to play some of what she had to say. >> this does not absolve the far-right racist, sexist supreme court that made this decision

based upon politics not thinking about the 80% of the people of this country who said no, we don't want this. we don't want roe v. wade overturned. >> what would you respond to congresswoman bush? >> i respond that the experience of women since 1973 has been one of where the feminist movement and the people who were advocates as she is has given them one choice. for the women who have wanted or who have not only been given one choice by abortion advocates. they have not been well served. they have not been -- our country has not shown them that we believe in them, that we can serve them, that weigh can serve both. the only way that that argument makes sense is that the child that we're talking about is the equivalent of an appendix or a tonsil that has to be taken out,

that has no moral weight, has no value whatsoever and that simply isn't the case. every single time there is a wanted pregnancy or an unwanted pregnancy there are two people involved and both of those people deserve our love, our support and that is where i think authentic feminism will be restored. this is where we began this movement with susan b. anthony, elizabeth stanton and all of those early women are not just old people. they saw the connection between women and children and the better angels of women and the better angels of their community that would help them serve their needs instead of trying to build the broken rights of other human beings. that's not who we are and that's not the nation we should be and we have a moment to correct that. >> i have to let you go, and i know you're set on time, but i have to ask, how do you then respond to those critics of the pro-life movement who say that that movement no longer is pro-life once birth happens. in other words, the support for

women who are disproportionately affected by this decision marginalized women in communities of color, for example, lower income women who then do not have resources available to them to help support them if, in fact, roe is overturned and they do go through with pregnancies that were initially unwanted? >> i would say two things. one is pay attention to what's actually happening on the ground. the service for women and children that's occurring that is expanding in beautiful ways, and my organization is doing a lot of that. >> okay. >> the other is think about what you can do to serve women and children and how can you be a part of doing something beautiful to allow children to be born in the world and allow women to know that the best in them can flourish so that they don't have to -- they're not just given one choice. they're actually able to live lives and know that they have not built their success on the death of another person.

>> marjorie, dannenfelser, thank you for being here on what is a busy day. >> we know the senate judiciary committee on the decision to overturn roe. let me bring in patty murray of washington state. she's also the highest ranking democratic issue on health care and serves on the committee. thank you very much for being back on the show. >> thank you. i want to play for a second to remind people, what we heard from justices gorsuch, kavanaugh and coney-barrett that were confirmed under donald trump. >> senator, i would tell you that roe versus wade decided in 1973 as a precedent of the united states supreme court has been reaffirmed. so a good judge will consider it as precedent of the united states supreme court worthy as treatment of precedent like any other. >> this is a precedent that's been reaffirmed many times over 45 years including in planned

parenthood versus casey where they specifically consider whether to overrule and reaffirm and apply to all of the stare decisis factors and that became precedent on precedent in this context. >> as richard fallon from harvard said. roe is not a super precedent because calls for its overruling have never ceased, but it doesn't mean roe should be overruled. it just means it does not fall on the small handful of cases like marbury versus madison that no one questions anymore. >> senator, do you think they lied to the senate? to you? >> i think they maliciously duped a number of senators. i was not one of them. i opposed every one of them, but obviously their words did want ring true and it was very true that what they said about precedent didn't mean anything to them. >> you supported an exemption to the fill bust tore get voting rights done, do you support that same carveout for a measure that

would codify federally the right to an abortion? >> look, what i know is that today the supreme court took away the rights that women have had for 50 years to be able to make their own health care decision with their own doctor, with their own faith, with their own family depending on their circumstances. and that was taken away today, and i know that people across this country are really angry about this because we are americans, we believe in the rights of individuals. we respect other faiths and other beliefs. we expect them to respect everyone's faith and belief. that's the principle of america, and i think we will all be looking for every way we can to make sure that we can enshrine in law through congress, roe, so that women in this country have that choice again and that right, and that's what i'm working on. >> so and if that would mean if it were to come to that, making

an exemption for a filibuster for this issue, that is something you'd back? >> let me make this clear. right now there are not the votes in the united states senate to enshrine in law roe, and i'm going to be working every day to make sure voters understand that this is the choice they will make in the november election because it's pretty clear to me today that that is the only way we are going to be able to change the law and make sure that women can make their own economic and healthcare choices. >> to that point, we heard from senator joe manchin today that says he supports the legislation that would codify the rights that roe versus wade previously protected. i'm hopeful democrats and republicans would come forward with a piece of legislation that would do just that. he was the only democrat who voted against federal protections last month. your reaction? >> first of all, i am willing to work with anyone to make sure that every woman in every state in this country has the protections of roe and that, to me, is the bottom line, but i

also am going to tell you right now there's not the votes in the senate. this is something all of us have to work on between now and november. again, i'm just stunned by this decision, as an american who has lived 50 years in this country with the rights and protections of individual citizens that was taken away today and that's not something i want my daughters and granddaughters and people coming after me to have to live with and there's only one way to change that and that's in the votes in the senate. >> senator, i only have 30 seconds left on the show. >> bordering idaho where abortion restrictions are set to come online. do you want to see your state to prepare for women to travel to washington for access to abortion. >> we're already seeing women come across our border before today who did not know how the law would apply to them in idaho and they're coming to our state for protection and they're making their own healthcare

decisions and choices, and i know it's only going to get worse and it's going to impact our healthcare system here. secondly, you just played, pence has already made clear, mcconnell has made clear. republican leaders and the pro-life groups have already made clear. they're not stopping here. they want a federal ban on abortion and if they get the votes in congress to do that, my state and the women i represent, people i represent here will lose that right. we have got to fight back. >> senator murray, thank you so much for being on in an extraordinarily busy day. thanks to all of you for watching this hour on msnbc. nicole wallace picks it up with "deadline: white house right now."