know it's only going to get worse and it's going to impact our healthcare system here. secondly, you just played, pence has already made clear, mcconnell has made clear. republican leaders and the pro-life groups have already made clear. they're not stopping here. they want a federal ban on abortion and if they get the votes in congress to do that, my state and the women i represent, people i represent here will lose that right. we have got to fight back. >> senator murray, thank you so much for being on in an extraordinarily busy day. thanks to all of you for watching this hour on msnbc. nicole wallace picks it up with "deadline: white house right now." hi there, everyone.

millions of american women, no longer have the constitutional right to an abortion that has been their right for decades now and nearly half of all states women will soon find themselves without any access to an abortion, a 6-3 decision handed down in dobbs versus jackson women's health upholds mississippi's ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy, in a 5-4 majority went further completely striking down roe versus wade, written by justice samuel alito, it is similar to the draft opinion that leaked back in may. it reads in part, roe was egregiously wrong from the start and the decision was exceptionally weak. and the decision has had damaging consequences. with this decision, 13 states have already effectively ended abortion access. missouri's governor issued an

order ending all elective abortions one hour after the supreme court decision was released. another 13 states will impose draconian restrictions on abortion. a decision that's consequential is of course, nothing short of a political earthquake. it forces leaders in both parties to reckon with the changed political landscape. the president today called for a renewed fight for abortion rights. watch some of that. >> today is a -- it's not a hyperbole to suggest a very solemn moment. today the spoke of the united states expressly took away the constitutional right from the american people that it already recognized. they didn't limit it. they simply took it away. that's never been done to a right so important to so many americans, but they did it. make no mistake. this decision is a culmination of a deliberate effort over

decades to upset the balance of our law. it's a realization of an extreme ideology and a tragic error by the supreme court, in my view. the court has done what it's never done before, expressly take away a constitutional right that is so fundamental to so many americans that had already been recognized. >> president joe biden's words were echoed by the three liberal justices who issued a fiery dissent for the history books, speaking not just of the lasting damage to the institution in which they serve, but also making it clear that the conservative majority on the supreme court has completely transformed for the worst the lives of all american women. the dissent reads in part, quote, whatever the exact scope of the coming laws, one results of today's decision is certain. the curtailment of women's rights and their status as free and equal citizens, yesterday the constitution guaranteed that a woman confronted with an

unplanned pregnancy could, within reasonable limits, make her own decision about whether to bear a child. with the life-transforming consequences that act involves, but no longer. as of today this court holds a state can always force a woman to give birth, prohibiting even the earliest abortions a state can thus transform when freely undertake it as a wonder into what when forced may be a nightmare. a sorrow for this court, but for many more millions of american women who lost a fundamental constitutional protection. we dissent. also in that opinion, a warning that nothing stands in the way of the court overturning other rights, things like contraception and same-sex marriage. that warning was issued by justice clarence thomas in which he said, quote, we should reconsider this court rae substantive, due process

precedents including griswald, lawrence, and the right to same-sex relationships and the right to same-sex marriage. the aftermath of the supreme court overturning roe versus wade today is where we start the hour. former senator claire mccaskill is here. michelle goodwin, professor of law at the university of california irvine specializing in reproductive rights and fatima gosgraves, president and ceo of the national women's law center. i know we had averagel time to prepare for what was to pass today, but it did not spare -- i'm sure this holds for you, as well, women, and i've heard from women all day until i came on the air, who were in shock, who were horrified, who felt that the very worst concerns about a court so extreme it does something so out of step with not just the mainstream and the plurality and majority of

americans wanted to see done today. >> it's been a tough day. i took calls from my daughters. one with white-hot anger and the other sobbing. i've had to digest the reality of what is the law now in the state where i represented people for 40 years, and that law is one of the most extreme in the country and just to walk you down the path for a moment, nicole, one of my daughters had a miscarriage not very long ago. right now in missouri it would be perfectly within reason for a law enforcement agency to request a search warrant to search her home, to search the doctor's office, to see if in fact, the medication she was taking wasn't for a self-managed abortion or was it to manage the

consequences of a miscarriage. think about that for a minute. that's what the law is in my state right now. the young girls that i had to deal with when i was a prosecutor who had been raped by their father or stepfather who were pregnant and if they told anyone they would be killed. the state is mandating that those children carry those pregnancies to term. this is extreme, extreme violation of people's personal freedoms. it is government mandates on steroids. i am so sick of these people whining about mass vaccination and then telling that 13-year-old girl she has to carry her sibling to term. it's unbelievable. i go between despair and anger just like my daughters. >> claire, i think that, first of all, thank you for sharing the story of what is going to

happen to all women in states with these incredibly restrictive bans and you and i have talked about this before. ivf becomes a different undertaking and states are eliminating the exceptions for the life of the mother which means you have to be experiencing near death. they will send women home until they're in a state called sepsis which means their body is dying upon itself of an infection so serious that the doctors will wait until that happens and the chances of saving you are slim so that they can't face so much scrutiny, the kind that you are talking about. claire, how is this where we are in 2022? >> i don't want to hear anybody saying, well no one's going to enforce these laws. i'll tell you what's going to happen, nicole, in my state. the lawyers for the doctors under malpractice coverage are going to say you can't do ivf. so not only would a woman who is desperate to have a baby have to drive to another state to try to

have a baby, she obviously would have to drive to another state if she'd been raped and impregnated by her rapist. that is the ying and the yang of where we find ourselves. there's no way under the law the way it's written in missouri that the lawyers would advise doctors to have ivfs or prescribe iuds. i reviewed what jury instructions would look like for a criminal trial against a woman who actually did a self-managed abortion or took, used an iud or the morning-after pill. it is really scary stuff, and i think we have some very extreme prosecutors in missouri, particularly in the rural areas, maybe clarence thomas is going to get his wish. he wrote in that decision that he thought they should blow up the right to contraception. he should get his wish and get a case from missouri where the court would have an opportunity

to do that. >> it's -- it's harrowing. it's shocking, and it is also captured in the dissent. i want to read some more of that for you, michelle. the liberals say this, today the court says that from the very moment of fertilization a woman has no rights to speak of. a state can force her to bring a pregnancy to term even at the steepest, personal and familial costs. >> well, it's devastating, and you know, let's look at the historical arc of this. when justice alito in the leaked draft opinion said that there was no precedence in american law that bothered to pay attention to reproductive privacy, well, he was misreading law. he was absolutely inaccurate. 30 years before in skinner v. oklahoma, the united states supreme court in a unanimous decision used the language of human rights and civil rights to describe how states may not

infringe upon reproductive equality, liberty and independence. that was a case that involved a man, but that language stood for griswald v. connecticut, leading up to roe v. wade and later planned parenthood v. casey and even more important, it's important that we understand in 1865 when the 13th amendment was being ratified such that we would abolish slavery and involuntary servitude in the united states, it didn't apply just to black men. it applied to black women, and if cotton was king then black women's reproduction was queen. it was well understood that the involuntary servitude that black women had been subjected to was coercive, sexual assaults and rapes and as well coercive reproduction and general sumner

was nearly beat tone death after he made speeches about the rape of black girls and women in the halls of congress and so what you see with this opinion is not only an egregious kind of rollback and an attack on prior justices, but it helps to loom the way the supreme court has become selective and opportunistic in terms of how it even reads its own jurisprudence and we get that as well from justice thomas. he errs so many times not only in this concurrent opinion which is alarming and even before then as he has suggested that abortion has been about eviscerating the black community and it's been a form of eugenics against black people. that's absolutely inaccurate. here we see the supreme court deciding what part of its jurisprudence it actually wants to be honest with the american public about. 1927 the supreme court very clearly articulated eugenics as a matter involving a poor white

girl, 16-year-old who is being forced by the state of virginia to be sterilized. so this opinion is alarming in terms of what it means specifically, but also what it means in terms of the rule of law and ultimately what it means for our democracy. >> michelle, there are so many places i want to follow up with you, but i'll take them one at a time. the dissent gets to this look back at history and the majority opinions misread of that and let me read from the dissent first. the majority, or to be more accurate, is here to tell us today that nothing it does casts doubt on precedence that do not concern abortion, but how can that be in the lone rationale for what the majority does today is that the right to elect an abortion is not deeply rooted in history, not until roe, the majority argues, did people think abortion fell within the constitution's guarantee of liberty. so one of two things must be true, either the majority does

not believe in its own reasoning or if it does, all rights that had no history stretching back to the mid-19th century are insecure. either the mass of the majority's opinion is hypocrisy or additional constitutional rights are under threat. it is one or it is the other. >> michelle, they're both terrifying. what is your sense of what this portends for other rights? >> we see a little bit of both, don't we, or a lot of both. >> yeah. we see hypocrisy coming from the court and the selective reading of history. the pilgrims performed abortions in the united states. benjamin franklin wrote about how, in fact, to perform a safe abortion. so justice alito and the majority here selectively plums history, but alarmingly and what we know from the dissent and also justice thomas' concurrence is it's not just abortion which

is at risk right now. it's also contraceptive access. it's access to iuds which is a very popular form of birth control and let's not leave it there. justice thomas has made it very clear in prior dissents that he does not support lgbtq equality including marriage, quality and that, too, becomes vulnerable. we don't need to see those cases reach the supreme court because this case and others really do send dog whistles, dog whistles back to states that will be heard by county clerks and others who will just say i won't issue that marriage license and there are judges in place just like the supreme court, but lower court judges who may very well also follow that dog whistle. this is a very dark period in american history which we are already in and it only gets deeper and darker. >> claire, i want to ask you

something about senate confirmation hearings for supreme court justices. why do they exist? let me see if i have all of these, i think they had all of them to answer question about whether it was precedent. >> the court's decision -- >> i have this day an opinion, a personal opinion on the outcome in roe versus wade, and my answer to you is that i do not. >> roe versus wade is an important precedent of the supreme court. it was decided in 1973. so it's been on the books for a long time. it has been challenged on a number of occasions and i discussed those yesterday, and it is my and the supreme court has reaffirmed the decision, sometimes on the merits and sometimes in casey based on stare decisis, and i think that when a decision is challenged and it is reaffirmed that strengthened its value. >> i would tell you that roe versus wade decided in 1973 is a

precedent of the united states supreme court. it has been reaffirmed so a good judge will consider as precedent of the supreme court worthy as treatment as precedent like any other. >> as a judge, it is an important precedent by a supreme court. by it, i mean roe v. wade and planned parenthood versus casey has been reaffirmed many times and casey is precedent on precedent. >> roe is not a super precedent because calls for its overruling have never ceased, but it doesn't mean that roe should be overruled. >> these -- i really want to have a blunt conversation about this, claire. their nominations were greased by mitch mcconnell. what was that? was that lying before congress? was that thinking we wouldn't be able to find the tape? what was that? >> well, it was evasive. i think there's other quotes from alito saying that, you know, it's another decision

whether or not precedent should be overturned. i think amy coney barrett came close to telling the truth. it was pretty clear if you took the whole of her testimony that she was never going to even come close to saying that she was supporting roe v. wade. i think maybe more importantly than the hearings where they were just evasive enough that there really isn't an ability to out and out lie under oath and i think more important were the private conversations they had with members, particularly lisa murkowski and susan collins. there's no question in my mind that susan collins was told by brett kavanaugh that he respected the precedent of roe v. wade and he would not overturn it. she said as much at the time so clearly he lied to susan collins. i don't think she's lying about him saying that. she's cast too many votes for planned parenthood as a senator. i know she's not a popular person with msnbc audiences right now, but i was there when she stood up for the rights of

women and reproductive freedom against her caucus on a number of occasions, so i think he lied to her, and what does that say? he's a politician in a robe pretending to be a supreme court justice. i think several of them are, and i don't think they show respect for the law and the dissent points that out very, very well as you set out a few minutes ago. >> fatima, i want to show you something that president joe biden said today in terms of how to help women today will go to bed in a very different america than they have lived in for 50 years. >> the court's decision casts a dark shadow over a large swath of the land. many states in this country still recognize a woman's right to choose. so if a woman lives in a state that restricts abortion, the supreme court's decision does not prevent her from traveling from her home state to the state

that allows it. it does not prevent a doctor in that state, in that state from treating her. as the attorney general has made clear, women must remain free to travel safely to another state to seek the care they need. my administration will defend that bedrock right. any state or local official, high or low tries to interfere with a woman's exercising her basic right to travel i will do everything in my power to fight that deeply un-american attack. >> so fatima, this is the best case scenario now for women in at least 19 states and that list is growing, to rely on the federal government to protect what president joe biden there calls her bedrock right to travel for reproductive health care. >> yeah. it's 19 states. within the year it will get to 26 and pretty quickly which is

going to be chaotic for women in this country and for our public health system, and so travel, a to make sure people who are tuning in and who are enraged like i am and grieving also know that they should get accurate information on where and how to get care. you can go to i need an a.org. i think it's important that people get the right information because we are already seeing efforts at disinformation and efforts to drive people to other places. and the department of justice did put out an extremely strong statement today about where it will be and its priorities around travel and the first amendment rights and so i hope that is a way that we see them show up. >> fatima, all of our conversations over the last year

and a half around this issue have tried to deal with the reality of this, that it does not impact all women the same in terms of the obstacles it throws into their lives and it impacts disproportionately women at the lower end of the income spectrum. it disproportionately impacts african-american women, latina women. what is the -- what is sort of the collective challenge, i guess, for everyone to support the women who are most deeply and most rapidly affected by the supreme court decision today? >> you know, the same states that are in the business now of forcing meme to stay pregnant are also states that don't have paid leave, that don't have access to child care, that don't have support systems, and so it's not an accident that's devaluing of women's lives and

futures, and what we're going to see is that people who are already on the margins are going to have the hardest time. they're going to have the hardest time traveling. they'll have the hardest time finding health care. most people -- most women that have children, we are going to see people in tough times. they're going to force people to stay pregnant in states that already have dramatically high maternal and infant mortality rates. this is on purpose harming people around the country, and i am shocked like claire's daughters i am going back and forth from sadness to rage because i know what will happen to people in this country and what i say is that rage will not go away and i see it building among women all day long and they will be in the streets, they will be voting. it will not go away. >> it will not go away and neither will the historic --

historically low trust that the united states supreme court is held in today even ahead of the decision. no one's going anywhere. after the break, we will be joined by congresswoman madeleine dean who today described her tears of anger when this decision was handed down. how she and her colleagues in congress plan to turn anger into action. can anything get done? this outcry from women fearing for their lives and their health and the health of their loved ones and doctors worried now they'll have to compromise care for fear of red state abortion bans. dr. kavita patel will have per on that and also of that when "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. stay with us. white house" continues after a quick break. stay with us

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this is deadly serious, but we are not going to let this pass. a woman's right to choose, reproductive freedom is on the ballot in november. we cannot allow them to take charge so that they can institute their goal which is to criminalize reproductive freedom. >> joining our coverage, madeleine dean, a member of the house judiciary committee. i want to start by reading something that we saw about you and your colleagues that "the washington post" reported. two women embraced as they saw each other just minutes after the supreme court handed down

its decision. a visibly shocked representative chrissy hool han of pennsylvania didn't have the words to react when reporters asked simply saying slooez defer stated. congresswoman madeleine dean in a shaky voice said she was horrified. devastated and horrified pretty much captures it. how are you doing? >> i am here. i'm glad to be with you, and you know what? that's a moment i'll remember forever. chrissy came in, and i was standing talking to a family member about this horror of today and she came up and grabbed me. uncharacteristically she grabbed me and hugged me and i think she dropped her phone. we had no words to express the horror we both feel. this is a day of extraordinary twists and turns. i thank you for having me on, but i am dumb struck as to what

to say. as we struggle to be a more perfect union look at what happened today. i started the day so excited about this gun bill that for the first time in 30 years we will do something and say we will protect our children, we will protect our family members, we will save lives through this gun measure that we did pass today and then within, literally i was on the floor and got a text and said the decision is down, 50 years of rights of women and girls overturned by a corruptly seated majority on the supreme court. >> congresswoman, i want to ask you, i know we've talked about the bill that the house has passed and i want to ask you if this changes the prospects in the senate, but i want to deal with the supreme court first. because of today's decision, and i don't know that this has seeped in yet, but when i hear speaker pelosi talk about reproductive rights on the

ballot, by november it will be clear what these full bans mean. they mean zero exceptions in cases of rape and incest. some of them mean no exception in the life of a mother. so you have the supreme court siding against and that has the support of 93% of americans. 93% of americans support an exception of any ban for the life of the mother and 83 support exceptions in the case of rape and incest. the state bans eliminate all those exceptions. what do we do about a supreme court out of step with 93% of americans? >> we lift up the horror that is the supreme court. i've told you the story of my mother-in-law who was the youngest of six children in scranton. when her mother became pregnant, this was in 1930s scranton. her mother became pregnant with a seventh child. the doctors recognized the baby

would be stillborn. so between the governments, mandates, and laws and a church the mother was forced to go forward. the family had no choice, and the outcome was that the baby was stillborn and the mother died in child birth. my mother-in-law never knew her own mother. my mother-in-law taught me that story to say never again. i used to tell that story, nicole, can you imagine the antideluvan days and that day is today thanks to the supreme court. the choice was taken from that family. the choice today will be taken from families. i also take this very personally. i was 13 when roe was passed. my entire adulthood, my entire childbearing years with my husband and my family, we just understood, but really valued, i knew it was precious, valued our rights to reproductive

healthcare, to privacy in our choices and i talked to my daughter-in-law today and i said i can't believe you, my three granddaughters, the eldest of whom is 10, girls and women. let's not mistake this, girls, too. girls and women have been stripped through this corrupt supreme court of rights, basic, fundamental, human rights. this will not stand, nicole. i have a panel that you have a panel full of people who say the exact thing, my oh, my, what a sad, low moment for the supreme court of the united states. >> what is the state of talks? i know talk about the legislation that's passed the house. does today's decision put in motion any fresh talks about how that could get through the senate? >> fresh talks in multiple ways. we passed the codification of

roe out of the house earlier this year. it sits in the senate, and i also am a member of the judiciary committee. the vice chair of judiciary, so, the talks are ongoing very rapidly. they were already going on, and i don't want to act as though they weren't about what do we do, and how do we put guardrails on the personal privacy rights. what do we do about the supreme court, an out of control supreme court that is so far right wing three of them seated by the most corrupt president in our nation's history, corruptly seated in two cases, by the way, so the judiciary committee, the legislature, we're talking about it. very importantly and where i have my greatest confidence is in the electorate. we have a terribly important, and now i know it is even

magnified. i know the people of my district and the fourth congressional district of pennsylvania, montgomery and burks county, they are horrified by this stealing of rights, by mostly white men who would make our healthcare decisions for us? are you kidding me? we will never go back and the electors will show that. i think about the most important elections. i'm a little prejudiced here, nicole, but pennsylvania is called the keystone state and has been since the founding of our country. we were the keystone of the 13 colonies. we will be the keystone again in this election cycle and i would argue that montgomery county will be the bellwether of that keystone. in pennsylvania you saw who we have at the top of our ticket whether it's our gubernatorial candidate shapiro who support wenl and girls equal rights under the law as the banner of

the supreme court says versus mastriano who doesn't support women at all. how important is it to pick up more senators who believe in equal rights under the law and equal rights for women and girls and this will be an extraordinary election cycle and pennsylvania will be the one to watch. >> congresswoman madeleine dean, thank you so much for being part of our coverage today. good to see you. >> good to see you. thanks for covering this, of course. >> of course. michelle, i want to come back to you and ask you what your legal counsel would be as they try to move forward with the legislative solution to what happened today? it's important that there are legislative solutions at the state level and symbolism to protect autonomy, privacy and liberty and we see what's taken

place in places like california, new york, statutory provisions and constitutional provisions to underscore the importance of reproductive privacy and that's also action that can take care by congress, as well. these midterm elections will mean a lot and i see this as a north star moment, a third reconstruction. if we can understand 1865 with the abolition of slavery as being a part of the first reconstruction and the 13th and 14th amendments and the middle part the 1964 civil rights act and the 1965 voting rights act as being second reconstructions, we need to get it right this time and we understand the urgency of censoring the lives of women and lgbtq and people with disabilities as part of the new horizon that arc towards justice which we continue to lean into, but i think it is also important to understand that we are still linked to the vestiges of slavery and we see

that in ways that are all around us in the united states with the rise of white supremacy which is also tied to the efforts to dismantle roe v. wade. so as we think about getting it right, we need to recenter the conversation and be honest about the vestiges of jim crow that remain with us, the vestiges of american slavery that are with us. we, right now, have free states and non-free states as it relates to bodily it's autonomy. >> it's incredible -- it's an incredible way to think about this day that will forever be a part of our history. michelle, thank you. claire sticks with us. from the front line of abortion rights one more advocate on the real world impact on the decision for women. that's next. stay with us. for women that's next. stay with us

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wondering what realities they now face now that the nation's highest court has sent the clearest message ever that our bodies are not our own, the liberal justices laying out the stakes in their dissent writing this. many will endure the costs and risks of pregnancy and giving birth against their wishes. others will turn in desperation to illegal and unsafe abortions. >> msnbc medical contributor, dr. kavita patel former obama white house health director and claire is with us. i want to show you something that my colleague yasmin vossoughian, an interview she did with some women in texas leaving the state for abortions. >> i can't do this. i can't put another kid through this with the two i already have. >> it's not an option right now. not for me, not for him.

there's no support system. >> there are women out there that have been raped. you have women out there that they don't have anybody or they are just not ready. you can't make women be ready for taking care of a kid. >> we will see a public health crisis in this country, but a lot of people don't even want to think about it because they don't think it will affect them, but what affects one affects the other. >> it is so harrowing and it's an incredible piece of reporting. it is the ground truth, and i wonder your thoughts and reactions today are many. >> thanks for sharing that. i'm from texas. my family's in texas. i started my reproductive rights career at planned parenthood in houston, and i was talking to some of my colleagues on the ground today to get a sense of what's happening. as of today, abortion care has stopped at most clinics in the

state. trigger ban concerns are in effect. the state attorney general's been quite aggressive. it is devastating. we've been planning for this moment politically for months, but to actually see the impact on the ground in your own hometown and to hear the stories of folks being turned away with no place to go -- it's hitting differently today. my mother, she's an immigrant. we came here in the 1907s and i was born a month after roe v. wade became law of the land and she texted me, this is no longer a country for women. this is an immigrant woman who came to this country and loves this country and was inspired by barbara jordan and the watergate hearings and thought what a wonderful democracy, so it's a very hard day and we have a plan and we're planning to fight back and that's the energy we're hearing in the streets and the energy we're hearing from our members.

>> many -- you made me cry, the story of your mom is -- i just think that encapsulates. >> it made me cry, too. >> yeah. >> there is a feeling, i think for women, i've talked to my sisters and talked to women in politics and there is a trauma in experiencing this decision in thinking about women who we may not even know, but who will now suffer and will have to go through such lengths and be re-traumatized if they're victims of rape and incest or suffer incredible, physical harm if they have to wait to near death to get a legal abortion. what are your thoughts to help through this grief and trauma to help other women? >> i think we're all processing in real time, even those of us who are professionals in this work. i think you have to take the time to be in community. i'm headed from here, from this interview to union station where

we're having a big naturally with our colleagues across the reproductive rights and movements and it's important to be with community and solidarity. it is important to take time to process and grieve for real and i'll be doing that with my family, as well, but then, you know, grief has to be channeled somewhere, right? all this emotion and our plan is to channel it into activation and action. i just had a call with about 750 members from across the country. folks are upset. folks are angry and they want some action to take now and we're channeling that energy and emotion into voter education, voter mobilization and this is a very motivating issue for the democrats, and we are hoping to catalyze the grief and anger, into something productive and get out the vote and fight back. >> dr. patel, i want to read you this in today's texas tribune.

doctors have postponed abortion care until pregnancy complication has deteriorated to the point their life is in danger, including multiple cases in which patients were sent home only to return until they were in sepsis and if they qualified under the life-saving exemption, some doctors report they were unable to get nurses and anesthesiologists for the procedures for fear they would be seen as aiding and abetting. can you explain what sepsis is and how many women survive it from that point? >> yes. the statistics on sepsis, unfortunately, are defer stating and devastating and sepsis, around somebody who has tried to get an abortion, just in that time period when they're seeking that type of care, what it mean, nicole is basically a systemic, a bodywide inflammation

infection, reaction because there has been, in this case, it's because of the failed abortion or something that products of conception that have been retained in the body that then lead to an infection, your blood pressure drops and all of the systems that normally regulate our body, blood, everything start in the opposite direction and often leads into care, and sepsis, because we have so much technology at our disposal were one of the leading causes of mortality inside the hospital meaning people died. now, unfortunately, that's what we'll see that and that's what you're reading from "the texas tribune," this is happening everywhere with what we've done in today's ruling is to put people in shadows including health care providers and i worry so much that one of the things i've been taking away from today and many of these words are so relieving that people need to grieve, lou do we have ever single doctor, i don't care what kind of doctor be

familiar with medications and what to look for with people when might have missed an abortion or have done something at home. this is uncharted territory because since 1973 we haven't had to teach this. so everything you're describing are things that we don't have in a textbook. i can't look up online. it. and so we're having to do this, and i want -- i have a lot of male colleagues, i have people who identify as males, and they really want to be a part of this, so at this point, it's agnostic. take action, vote, do all the things we need to do. but also try to know how you can help people have access to any sort of the medication abortions, how they can have access, or what to say, nicole, if you have something that's happening. sometimes you can present and say, i had a missed -- i had a miscarriage. sometimes just the words you use can help the teams come together in a way where they can come out of the shadows, and i can't believe we're having to do this. i can't believe i have to write this, like, underground guide to what to do and what to say, but that's where we're at.

>> we're going to continue this part of the conversation, because this is the new normal in the united states of america. dr. kavita patel, minnie, thank you so much to both of you for being part of our coverage. we have to sneak in a quick break but claire gets the last word on the other side. ick break but claire gets the last word on the other side

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distressing of all. the justices write this, "must a state law allow abortions when necessary to protect a woman's life and health? and if so, exactly when? how much risk to a woman's life can a state force her to incur before the 14th amendment's protection of live kicks in? suppose a patient with pulmonary hypertension has a 30% to 50% risk of dying with ongoing pregnancy. is that enough? short of death, how much illness or injury can the state require her to accept, consistent with the amendment's protection of liberty and equality?" the justices saying nothing short of, state-mandated death and sickness is going to ensue from today's decision. shocking. >> it is shocking. you know, part of me, nicole, wants the two of us to stay on the air and do a telethon, you know? i want to just stay on the air and have people call in and vent and put a place to put their

anger. >> yeah. >> i have two things that i think people can do to try to channel the incredible pain and sorrow that we all feel today. the first is, state legislatures matter now more than ever before. if you have a state where there's no exception for rape or incest, i promise you there was an amendment voted on, on the floor of your state legislature, and you can get a list of who voted against an exception for rape and incest. and you should mobilize against those candidates. you should figure out who's running against them. you should help them win that election. you should spend as much time and energy on that election as you've ever spent complaining about donald trump. secondly, the other thing that's going to happen here that i don't think people realize is everyone saying, travel to get a safe abortion. a lot of the facilities are not planned parenthood facilities, and they're hanging on by a thread. they need financial support. places in illinois are going to be overrun with people coming

from the surrounding states and the southern states. places in kansas where, frankly, they have a ballot initiative that maybe after september they won't be able to offer legal abortions anymore. you need to find those facilities and try to donate directly to those facilities, rather than some national organization where you're not sure that it's going to get to those facilities so they can keep their doors open to the thousands of women that are going to pour in from the states like mine where they've criminalized women and their doctors. >> i feel like you and i need to do that hour and help with some of this work, because those are two -- that's your brilliant political mind at work, and we can continue this conversation and do some of that work together with all of our viewers who are so lucky to have heard from you today, my friend, claire. >> thank you, my friend. >> thank you. our coverage of america's new post-roe reality continues in the second hour of "deadline white house" that starts after a quick break. f "deadline white house" that starts after a quick break.

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minions, i have been captured. you have 48 hours to rescue me. mini-boss! my minions will save me. this is absolutely devastating. the court just told us that we are not equal. the court just told us that we don't have a right in the constitution to control our own bodies. we will not go back, and we will not back down. we are going to take this fight to every single state and let people understand what is at stake right now coming into this cycle, coming into '22. every single person who is running for anything is going to eat this decision for breakfast. >> hi again, everyone, it's 5:00

in the east. the stakes for the november midterm elections just became exponentially higher. that was alexis mcgill jons, the president and ceo of planned parenthood, speaking about how today's seismic ruling by the u.s. supreme court to overturn roe vs. wade puts women's reproductive freedoms squarely on the ballot in the upcoming midterm. the decision, a devastating blow to the millions of women in this country who for nearly 50 years have had a constitutionally protected right to seek an abortion. we saw how voters viewed the issue with much more urgency following the leak of the supreme court's draft opinion just last month. nbc news polling showed that in may, following the leak, 10% of people said abortion was the most important issue facing the country, that compared to just 3% in march. following today's ruling by the supreme court, that view expected to only intensify. in president joe biden's address to the nation, he made a direct appeal for all americans to

exercise their rights at the ballot box and make sure this tragic error by the supreme court, as he called it, does not stand. >> let me be very clear and unambiguous. the only way we can secure a woman's right to choose and the balance that existed is for congress to restore the protections of roe v. wade as federal law. no executive action from the president can do that. and if congress, as it appears, lacks the votes to do that now, voters need to make their voices heard. this fall, we must elect more senators and representatives who will codify a woman's right to choose into federal law once again. with your vote, you can act. you can have the final word. this is not over. >> abortion and the future of

the judiciary now an even bigger flash point for democrats as they attempt to keep the majority in the house and expand their majority in the u.s. senate. politico reports this. "senate democrats clamor to connect the decision to their narrow hold on the chamber, which allows them to confirm new supreme court justices with a simple majority vote. control of future judicial confirmations now may be the biggest prize at stake in the november elections. the ramifications of the court's decision today to overturn 50 years of precedent is where we begin the hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. cecile richards is here, former president of planned parenthood, now co-chair of american bridge. dahlia, legal correspondent and senior editor for slate as well as the host of the amicus podcast. and danielle holley-walker is here, dean and professor at howard university law school. cecile, you and i have had this conversation for years now, and although intellectually i think we knew it was coming after the

alito opinion leaked, there is still a body blow and a psychic blow to reading all of the opinions this morning. i just want to hear your reaction. >> well, first, nicole, thanks for covering this issue today and for all the incredible people that you have had on. yeah, this is -- i don't care how much you were intellectually expecting this to happen, it's so devastating to think what this means for millions and millions of people in this country, many women, and the stories i know many have been shared on your show but i was just talking to the clinic staff in texas, literally women who were at the -- at their appointments, women who had counted on this, maybe had waited weeks to get an appointment, that had to be told they had to leave now, canceling appointments that were scheduled for tomorrow, for next week. everyone hoping that this decision would be a few days later. and then i think the thing that just is really crushing to me,

nicole, too, is hearing that they had a thousand calls at planned parenthood today in texas, and the number of people, of course, women are terrified. fear, confusion, but women calling to see how they can get in to get an iud because they know they cannot get pregnant in the state of texas anymore. they cannot risk that. women calling about sterilization. this is what this court has forced upon the women of america, and this is what the republican party has forced upon women in america, and there's just no other way to describe it than inhumane. it's heartbreaking. it's angering. but for me, most, first and foremost, it's inhumane. >> i mean, cecile, the dissent makes clear that nothing less than death and severe injury will ensue. i'd like to read you from some of the dissent. "states may argue that a prohibition on abortion need make no provision for protecting

a woman from risk of death or physical harm. across a vast array of circumstances, a state will be able to impose its moral choice on a woman and coerce her to give birth to a child." there have been allusions to "handmaid's tale" and a dystopian reality. the dissent makes clear that that is now. >> exactly. and it's interesting, nicole, i also had pulled up that same piece of the dissent because -- and i think what justice sotomayor writes, that essentially this is the end of women as free and equal citizens in the united states of america. that's what -- that really is what this decision means, is that now the most intimate, personal decisions that many of us make in our lifetime, which is when and whether to become parents, has now been taken away from us, and from every other woman that comes after us has been put in the hands of politicians and government. and i look at the state of texas

today, after this decision came down, the attorney general shut down the state agency as a day of celebration, literally a state agency, shut down in texas to celebrate taking away the rights of women, again, not just the women that, you know, all of us, but every single generation to come until we turn this thing around. it's incredible. >> cecile, what does turning it around look like? i mean, having spent time on the right, these policy debates are inextricably linked to the politics of elections and judicial appointments and confirmations. how does the vast majority of americans who supported roe, how do they come together and support sort of a whole of government effort that turns the tide the other way? >> well, i think it's really important. two things. one is, we have to remember that the republican party, for many,

many decades now, has put ending safe and legal abortion above any other priority in their party. i mean, they're not focused on covid. they're not focused on the pandemic. they're not focused on jobs. they're not focused on the economy. they're focused on abortion. and so i just think we have to remember that's why this happened. it's not because the american people rose up and said, we need to end safe and legal abortion. actually, quite the opposite. so we have to do the same, in the sense that the vast majority of people in this country, and it's not just women, it's not just democrats, it's people of every walk of life, have to hold people accountable who pass these laws and put justices on the supreme court that would take away our rights and i thought what claire mccaskill said earlier was really important. this is -- of course it's a federal issue, but right now, at least until the republicans get control of congress, this is a state-by-state issue, and every single voter has the opportunity to evaluate their state

legislators and make sure that they don't support anyone who has voted to take away the rights of people to make their own decisions about pregnancy. this is -- this was a political act by the republican party, and it's going to require a political solution. >> danielle, the place -- i mean, we will be busy if that is -- if we heed cecile and claire's counsel to do that. these are the states with trigger laws where bans are expected to go into effect within a month or less. arkansas, kentucky, mississippi, north dakota, south dakota, texas, wyoming, idaho, louisiana, missouri, oklahoma, tennessee, and utah. it is a massive political undertaking to try to protect women there. president joe biden making it clear that he would help women in any of those states travel, but if you look at the map, some of those places are virtually surrounded by like-minded

legislatures. what is your sense of what the mission to get back a right people have had for 50 years looks like today? >> you know, nicole, this is a heartbreaking day. it will, i believe, go down as one of the most infamous days in supreme court history. the extinguishing of a constitutional right, a constitutional right that was recognized for almost half a century, is something that women and people all over the country will be grappling with for a long time. and while i agree that we must take a political solution, the truth is that the supreme court is there to protect the rights of people beyond politics, right? that's the whole idea of us having a constitution and a bill of rights and a recognition of our rights of liberty under substantive due process. and we saw with this agenda is today, it's a broad agenda as justice thomas lays out, that could lead to this idea that

states have the right to restrict the ability for same-sex marriage, contraception, et cetera, so this attack on women's rights and the attack on women's ability to get healthcare in their private way with their doctor is something that is heartbreaking. i was raised in texas. and i have spent a lot of time living in south carolina and other places, and i think the idea that there may be as many -- you read the states with the trigger laws. but we think probably as many as 26 states will adapt anti-abortion laws that are incredibly draconian, including having no exceptions for health of the mother, incest, rape, and this is something that should not, i believe, be left to the political process. it should be protected under our constitutional rights. >> and the dissent makes a lot of these points. i mean, you're talking about this day in history. this is a dissent written for this moment, and for history. i want to read from that for

you. "when we count the cost of roe's repudiation on women who once relied on that decision, it is not hard to see where the greatest burden will fall. in states that bar abortion, women of means will still be able to travel to obtain the services they need. it is women who cannot afford to do so who will suffer most. these are the women most likely to seek abortion care in the first place, women living below the federal poverty line experience unintended pregnancies at rates five times higher than higher income women do, and nearly half of women who seek abortion care live in households below the poverty line." danielle, the work that we do really is to protect these women and the lives and the dreams that will be shattered by today's decision. >> this attacks our most vulnerable communities. i thought one of the most

powerful parts of the dissent actually cited to a howard university school of law brief in which we talked about the fact that maternal death for black women is at much higher rates, and one of the ways that women make healthcare choices for themselves is to think about the way that abortion may protect them and their unborn child. they talked about tasacs and other ailments to fetuses that come where women have to make tough decisions, but the truth is, this decision will likely lead to outsize numbers of death and also just tremendous injury, both physical and mental and emotional injury, to women in our most marginalized communities, and that is one of the biggest tragedies of this decision. >> dahlia, we've talked about justice thomas's -- i don't even know if warning is the right word. he writes, "in future cases we

should reconsider all of this court's substantive due process precedents. the cases that affirm the right of married couples to use contraception, the right of same-sex relationships, and the right to same-sex marriage. all now known to be threatened by this supreme court. >> yeah, it's interesting, he's, in some sense, saying the quiet parts loud, right? he's saying, once you pull out this jenga piece, substantive due process, unenumerated rights, all those other things fall. and in a strange way, he's being more intellectually honest than the justices in the majority who say, oh no, this stops here. this is different. justice brett kavanaugh writes a concurrence where he really falls over himself to tell us, this stops here and not to worry. but i think what justice thomas is saying, if you take justice

alito's majority opinion at face value and read it for what it is, there's actually no demonstrable difference other than claims about, you know, fetal life, but there's no difference. once you say, unenumerated rights, rights that are not protected by name in the constitution or don't have a long history of being protected, then under alito's own test that he offers, all those other things fall, and so i think, in this instance, clarence thomas is alone, saying the kind of candid thing, which is once this goes, it certainly opens the doors to everything else. >> it also ushers in something we've talked about all year, dahlia, the crisis in confidence of the united states supreme court. those numbers are down to 25%. of all u.s. adults who say they have a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in the u.s. supreme court. it's down from 36% one year ago. it's down from 60% 20 years ago.

i don't think, in my lifetime, there's been a supreme court less popular than congress or the media. this is an unbelievable low in terms of institutions, dahlia. >> this is the lowest this 25% is the lowest that we've ever seen since gallup started polling and i would just note that 36% that we had in september was also the historic lowest. so, the court has managed to take catastrophic popularity ratings at the beginning of the term and go further, and one of the things that i think is so heartbreaking about a dissent, and i want to be really clear about this, about a dissent that centers, you know, women, pregnant people, their lives, the hardship, because that is invisible in the majority, the other heartbreaking thing is this elegeic feeling in the dissent, that the court has

jettisoned its commitment to legitimacy and respect and what the justices did in casey, planned parenthood vs. casey, to preserve the integrity and the respect of the court, was a heroic act compared to what the majority is doing now, which is just basically tanking all that respect years, decades, centuries of respect so that they can get an outcome that they like. >> yeah, i mean, dahlia, that's such an interesting point. the dissent reads, and i have read almost -- i've read a lot of it over the last hour and a half, but it also reads like a declaration that the court is indeed as broken as it looks, and i think it's important, and maybe you can help us understand the history, roe wasn't a particularly partisan decision, neither was casey. i mean, when people say this court is radical, and that it is out of step with the mainstream of american public opinion, 63% of all americans support roe staying just as it is. this decision, overturning roe, puts in place state bans that eliminate exceptions for the life of the mother. 93% of all americans support an

exception to any abortion ban for life of the mother. this decision also puts in place state bans that eliminate exceptions for rape. 83% to 86% of all americans support an exception to any abortion ban in the cases of rape or incest. those are all gone with today's decision. what do we do? how do we get to a place where the court is out of step, not just with 51% of americans but 93% of americans? >> and lash that, if you would, for a moment, to the gun decision yesterday where again vast, vast majorities of americans have made abundantly clear that they want more gun regulation, not less, and that they are terrified of all the things justice breyer puts in his dissent in bruin and get batted away by the majority. in both those cases, i think it goes to a point that you and i had in a conversation last week, which is, the only way vast, vast majorities of americans are

being ignored, both at the ballot box and at the court, is if those systems are broken. and you know, for all the reasons that we can talk about, you have a minority majority senate, an electoral college that privileges minority and agrarian interests. you have a whole set of filibuster rules that make it impossible to pass legislation that would protect women's health. if you have all those things and then a supreme court where five of the six conservatives were appointed by a president who lost the popular vote, you are seeing, i think, the triumph, systemically, across the boards of minority rule and that's why those numbers, those 70%, 80% numbers become much, much less relevant to the justices. they think they're untouchable because in some sense, they are. >> it's unbelievable. unbelievable place to leave it. dahlia lithwick, danielle holley-walker, thank you so much for being part of our coverage. cecile sticks around.

when we come back, much more on this political earthquake set off by a monumental decision by the supreme court. what does it actually mean for the 2022 midterms and beyond? plus, reaction from the white house. white house press secretary will be our guest and the security risk facing patients were already sky high. now there's new concern that the far right could make things even more dangerous. "deadline white house" continues after a quick break. "deadline white house" continues "deadline white house" continues after a quick break.e here. back then we could barely afford a hostel. i'm glad we invested for the long term with vanguard. and now, we're back here again... no jobs, no kids, just us. and our advisor is preparing us for what lies ahead. only at vanguard, you're more than just an investor you're an owner. giving you confidence throughout today's longer retirement. that's the value of ownership.

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birth. period, full stop. they're not interested in life. that's why they cut programs on child care and prenatal programs. spare me this notion of freedom. freedom? really? that 13-year-old that's raped or, god forbid, member of family, incest? and has to bare her sibling has the freedom of what? >> difficult truths today. joining our conversation, a.b. stoddard, associate editor and columnist for real clear politics. david plouffe is here, msnbc contributor. cecile, i start with you, and gavin newsom's very emotional concepts, and this from michelle obama that i want to read. michelle obama put out a statement that says this, "so, yes, i am heartbroken for the teenage girl full of zest and promise who won't be able to finish school or live the life she wants because the state controls her reproductive decisions. for the mother of a nonviable

pregnancy who's now forced to bring that pregnancy to term. for the parents watching their child's future evaporate before their very eyes. for the healthcare workers who can no longer help them without risking jail time. this horrifying decision will have devastating consequences, and it must be a wake-up call, especially to the young people who will bear its burden. i know this is not the future you chose for your generation but if you give up now, you will give up a country that does not resemble you or any of the values you believe in." she's speaking to something else here, cecile, which is perhaps a political wake-up call. do you think that ensues from today's decision? for young people? >> absolutely. and i think, you know, many of us have talked about, today, the first person that we heard from were our daughters and sons and young people for whom this is just completely unimaginable. i like to remind people that 4 million young people turn 18 every single year, and they are

future voters, and i know from looking at research and in addition to anecdotal experience, this issue is incredibly motivating. it's frightening. of course, we've been seeing young people in tears at protests, saying, what does this mean? and i think what michelle obama wrote there is so important, because it's kind of been lost a little bit in this conversation, and that is, what roe did for women in this country, literally women being able to finish high school, finish college, reduced teenage pregnancy by, i think, 30%. it reduced maternal mortality. it allowed women to become now more than half of law school students in the united states. go on to graduate degrees, become astronauts, become vice president of the united states. these are all the things that were possible because women could make their own decisions for the first time about their pregnancies and about when and if to have a family. so, i think this is important that we remember the

aspirational nature of being able to have this right and what women were able to do with it, and of course, what it now means not only for us as parents, but what it means for a whole generation of young women and young men, i would point out, for whom this can completely change their future and their opportunities. >> i mean, a.b. stoddard, there is a point where you have to concede that republicans were successful in keeping this a front burner issue to achieve their aims. i suppose that's the nicest thing you can say about it. but the success stops at the political reality. i mean, the statewide bans are wildly unpopular. wildly. the statewide bans that eliminate exceptions for rape and incest and life of the mother are not supported by 80% to 90% of americans, and the reason why normal republicans in past decades who were not friends to the pro-choice movement, but they always honored exceptions for the life

of the mother and rape, may have been a combination of morality and a recognition of the vast majority of american men and women who support all those exceptions. the extreme nature of what will happen in this country in 26 states where the abortion bans will not have any exceptions in some of them, is a tragedy for young women. it's also a political stick of dynamite for all republicans. >> i think you're right, nicole. i think that we cannot begin to grasp today what post-roe america looks and feels like. just -- we can talk about these 26 states with legal experts and what kind of litigation will go back and forth and what kind of different maps of rules will lay over in this new sort of nightmare for women trying to travel to different places and hope that they won't -- they won't be hunted down on their phones for doing so. but i think this is going to

spread, as cecile mentioned, it's going to spread to men. it's going to spread to parents. it's going to spread into communities. every clinic in louisiana, i believe, i read correctly, shut down today. changes are going to be dramatic, and as you had mentioned, all of these different health complications, let alone the rape and incest cases that are going to really break families up, and it's not going to just be about a woman or a teenage girl. so, i think the political ramifications have not been really imagined fully by republicans. they have not yet, since the leaked opinion, in may, started talking about what kind of programs they would support to help produce a culture of life, to support women who cannot afford to have additional children, as you've mentioned, most abortions happen with women who already have children. none of this has been -- they have not prepared for this, because they too didn't think the day would come. the truth is, a lot of their

voters are single issue activists, and they vote on this issue often, solely, and the structure, the establishment of the republican party set out so many decades ago in such a deliberate manner to reshape the court and with the help of real schemers like mitch mcconnell have been successful in doing so in a way that the democratic party has not. the party just hasn't focused on the court. i mentioned here before, i believe, that in 2019 and 2020, we did not hear democrats. after trump was able to nominate, at that point, two justices and then he, of course, in the end was successful in seating a third. we did not hear them talking to their voters about the importance of the court. so, it is really important, like michelle obama points out, to tell people who are despairing that this can get worse. it will not stop, as you mentioned in the previous conversation, with just

abortion. it will be sexual privacy rights across the board. that there are people who are interested in this and they have the power to get this done and if people don't take voting seriously, and the lobbying of state legislatures, voting in midterm elections, this can get a lot worse. so it has to be a political siren for democrats. it's a threat to republicans, but democrats have to make clear this can go a lot further, it can get a lot worse, and there is something that they can do about it. this minority -- threat of minority rule that dahlia mentioned is real. there's a structural liability for democrats in the electoral college in the senate. but they can do something in this campaign. they can mobilize voters in swing states. if you live in california, new york, or illinois, volunteer time and go to them. there are things that can be done immediately so they can get enough votes to codify roe. it's important that they don't despair and turn away, because

that's really what the democrats have. they have to reshift the balance of power. >> david plouffe, your party, who you advise on some of its most successful political undertakings for president obama and others, up to this moment? >> well, nicole, i break this down, first nationally. i mean, i think what's clear is if the republicans were to win both chambers and the presidency, legitimately or illegitimately, their hr-1 is not going to be voting rights act. it's going to be to outlaw abortion in the country. that could be a motivating reason for people to stay involved. i also think national democrats need to be very clear and honest about what the remedy is here. if, in fact, it is, we need to hold the house and we need two more senators or three more senators to codify roe, be super specific about this because i think people can get their arms around that. i would then say the sate level, particularly states like wisconsin, pennsylvania, where

there's going to be pitched battles about what to do now in the aftermath of this decision. you've got states like michigan, georgia, arizona, you know, even the texas and florida, huge majorities of people do not support outlawing abortion. and so, i think at the state level -- and those are all states. they're presidential battleground states, number one. they have big governor's races, number two. they have really important senate races, number three. they have key house races, number four. and they've got really critical down ballot races and the turnout, you know, we see, in 2018, it wasn't that long ago, the best off-year turnout in a hundred years. i, as a political professional, never thought you'd see those numbers again, driven in large part by historic turnout amongst young people. so that's going to -- what's going to be required to fight back here. i think it's possible. because this is no longer about what is going to happen. i think both cecile and a.b. talked about this. between now and when people cast votes, there's going to be story after story after story of

people who are deeply affected by this. and 80% to 90% of the people who see those stories are going to be outraged by them, and the control that they have is to elect people who are going to try and fix this and punish those who are okay living in a world like this. so, i think that's where we are. >> i want to tell our viewers what we are showing on the left side of the screen. it's been building. we've been showing it over the last hour and a half. but the crowds are swelling in boston and new york and outside the united states supreme court in washington, d.c. cecile, it's almost emotional watching this immediate outpouring. there have been crowds all day, but now that we're after 5:00 eastern, people seem to be wrapping up the workday and heading to gatherings, protests in new york city and boston and outside the supreme court in washington, d.c.

>> i think folks want to be with each other. >> yeah. yeah. i mean, you know, sometimes it's a foreshadowing of a political wave to come. it certainly was in 2016. i remember covering and seeing the protests after donald trump's election. it portended a wave for democrats, a very successful midterm in 2018. is this a sign of that, cecile, or is it too early to know? >> no, i mean, i think it feels like that. and you know, this is the one topic that we've known has -- we've been, again, anticipating this for months, but this is the one topic and the one decision that we knew could really transform the electorate, and what david was talking about is so important, particularly in a midterm election, where we know there are millions of voters who don't go and vote, and i know just from talking to young people, being in focus groups

with young people, this is a motivating issue, because it is no longer a theoretical issue. this is about their body, about their decisions, about, you know, the ability to make their own pathway in life, and that is not a long-term question. that is an immediate today question. so, in terms of, you look at pennsylvania, a state where a critical governor's race, a critical united states senate race, this completely has the opportunity to switch that we're already seeing, of course, josh shapiro running ads, women talking about how disturbing it is to have the thought that pennsylvania could outlaw all abortion, which it would only take a republican governor to do. the state of wisconsin, nevada, michigan, and my home state of texas. i mean, this is an animating issue, and that's a state where, again, i think beto o'rourke has -- greg abbott is honestly, you know, the leader in the country of making abortion impossible to access in the

state, turning neighbors against neighbors through this horrible bounty system. it is animating voters. but we've got a lot of work to do between now and november to make sure they go to the polls. >> cecile, as you were talking, we added new images coming in to us. in addition to boston and new york city, and outside the supreme court in washington, d.c., there are large protests now in pittsburgh, pennsylvania, and in miami, florida. so, we will keep watching this. we're grateful to all of you for being part of this conversation. a.b. stoddard, david plouffe and cecile richards, thank you so much. when we come back, president joe biden under pressure now to take executive action to help preserve reproductive freedoms. white house secretary, our friend, karine jean-pierre will be our guest. don't go anywhere. friend, karine jean-pierre will be our guest don't go anywhere.

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i've overseen more supreme court confirmations than anyone today where this case was always discussed. i believe roe v. wade was the correct decision. this fall, roe is on the ballot. personal freedoms are on the ballot. the right to privacy, liberty, equality, they're all on the ballot. until then, i will do all in my power to protect a woman's right in states where they will face the consequences of today's decision.

>> that was president joe biden today committing to the fight after what he described as a tragic error by the united states supreme court. turning to voters, this november, to put more lawmakers in washington who will restore the protections of roe as federal law. unlikely to happen in today's 50/50 senate. the president today promised to take the steps that he is able to take, things like protecting access to contraception and defending a woman's right to travel safely to another state for abortion access. joining us now for the first time since she was named white house press secretary, our friend karine jean-pierre. hi there, friend. this is a really, really hard day. everyone that i have had on, they are cool customers, people from the world of politics and law, who are visibly shaken, and i wonder if you can take me inside the reaction this morning in the west wing. >> it is a stunning day, nicole,

today. i just want to highlight, if i may, a couple of things that the president said and just reiterate it. if you think about what happened today, the supreme court of the united states took away a constitutional right from the american people. that is what they did. a right that was already recognized by this court nearly 50 years ago, and if you think about roe v. wade nearly 50 years ago, that, the 7-2 decision, that was written by a judge that was appointed by a republican president, president nixon. and this constitutional right has existed under a democrat, under a republican. so, not only, nicole, is this rule so extreme, it is such an extreme ruling, it is also devastating. it is outrageous. and it is just incredibly cruel. it is going to create nightmare situations for so many women, so

many people across the country. i mean, if you think about this, if you think about this, nicole, and i have heard you talk about what these laws in certain states are going to do, when you think about how women will not be able to make a decision on their bodies, on how to protect themselves, how, if a woman is -- and/or a girl is raped, they will have to carry, bear the child of their rapist. or if a doctor decides to do the thing that they are supposed to do, provide care, they will be criminalized. this is a sad day. this is a stunning day. and it's a sad day not just for america. it's a sad day for the court. it's a sad day for women. and what you heard from the president earlier today is that he's going to continue to fight. he's going to continue to fight for women's rights. he's going to continue to fight for freedom, and that's what the things that you just listed, those are the executive authorities that he is going to take, but really, nicole, what

needs to happen, and the president said this, is congress has to act. they have to act. they have to restore roe, and that is what needs to happen. at this time. >> karine, justice thomas told us what he is going to look at next. he's going to look at everything that falls under the protections that protected roe for 50 years. it includes same-sex relationships, same-sex marriage, and contraception. does that -- what dahlia lithwick described as clarence thomas saying the quiet part out loud. does that change any of the conversations inside the west wing about court reform? >> so, let me just say this about what thomas said, clarence thomas said today. it is chilling, what he wrote is absolutely chilling. if that were to happen, nicole, that would for sure, for sure

change this country for decades. i mean, change it by generations, and it is -- it will be incredibly stunning, how this would affect us as a country. and here's the thing. we have to listen. we have to make sure we hear very clearly what this extreme side, this extreme republicans are saying, because they have an agenda. i have never -- i can't think of a more dangerous agenda to put forth, so this is why, again, we have to make sure that we do, in light of this decision today, we have to make sure that we have our voices heard, that we take this to the ballot box and make sure that we have congressional members who are going to fight and protect, protect the rights that have now been taken away because of this extreme ruling that we saw today. as for us, your question, nicole, about the courts, the president's been very clear. he is not for expanding the courts. he is, you know, this is an incredibly dangerous ruling that

we heard. he does not agree with it. at all. clearly. and we feel that this is, again, an extreme ruling, but we have to act. this is a time to take action. that's what the president was doing today, calling on folks to take action, calling on congress to take action, and calling on folks to make sure that their voices are heard at the ballot box this coming november. >> other than voting in the fall, and protecting the right of women to travel, what actions can protect women in the 19 states with trigger laws? >> so, one of the -- the two actions that the president talked about, which you mentioned, which we think are incredibly important. there are steps that will help in the meantime, but of course, we got to take action. as i mentioned. look, being able to -- for the doj to be able to defend women who cross the states, who have to make that decision for their -- for themselves, and defending that decision and

defending them going into another state is really important. so the president was very clear about that. he's said that's what he wants his department of justice to do, and also making sure that we're protecting and making available medications that are approved by the fda, like contraception so that women are able to make that choice. so those are the two things that he used his executive authority, and let me tell you, these are conversations, in order to make that announcement today, these are conversations that his team has had these past several weeks with advocates, with legal experts, to make sure that this is something he was able to do as on this -- on this side as an executive authority to move forward with. but again, nicole, the way that we're going to restore roe is to make sure that congress acts. they need to act. they need to make sure that we make this into law. we make roe becomes law. and again, if that is not possible, we have to make our

voices heard in november. >> white house press secretary karine jean-pierre, thank you so much for spending time with us on what has to have been a pretty intense day. thank you. >> thank you so much. >> i just want to tell our viewers, what we've been showing on the of the screen while karine was speaking are swelling protests all around the country. we'll show you more of those on the other side. also ahead for us, the growing security concerns in the wake of today's decision. we'll have a live report from our friend, cal perry, who's at a clinic in missouri where abortions were banned this morning after the supreme court overturned roe. that's ahead. e supreme court overturned roe that's ahead only at vanguard, you're more than just an investor you're an owner. that means that your goals are ours too. and vanguard retirement tools and advice can ou get there. that's the value of ownership.

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so one of the many, many sources of anxiety today, panic really in the aftermath of the ruling, looming threat or specter of political violence in an environment we already know has some of our citizens predisposed to accepting it. two weeks ago the department of homeland security released a bulletin making clear the u.s. is right now in a heightened threat environment. that bulletin mentions abortion rights specifically. keep in mind assaults on abortion clinics and patients have already been rising. a 128% rise between the year 2020 and 2021. let's bring into our coverage msnbc cal perry live from st. louis, missouri. cal, tell us what you're

reporting today. >> reporter: i think it's hard to put our finger on how frightened women are in america right now. i've been talking to planned parenthood, i've been talking to local representatives in missouri, i've been talking to my mother and my sister. all of those groups and people have been telling me how in fear they are. representative cori bush who had an abortion here at this planned parenthood in st. louis, the only place that provided abortions in the entire state until this morning, she had an abortion here. she said without it her life would have forever been different. she found out this place by looking in the phone book. if you look at how this is playing out regionally, it is politically terrifying for women who want access to reproductive health. planned parenthood calls this missouri, kansas, texas, oklahoma, they call it a place to work that is not just a difficult place to work but a place where people are abrasive. we see it at these clinics. this is only going to make that situation worse. when i talk about regionally, sure, representative bush says

that women in missouri who had appointments this weekend can still go to illinois where governor pritzker has made this a priority. places like kansas, we'll wait and see in kansas what happens there. half of the abortions that took place in 2020 were for women from the state of missouri. so it is a regional issue, an issue across the country. big picture here, people were expecting this but they're still totally shocked. in the words of somebody from planned parenthood i spoke to, they're speechless. >> tali, the history of violence and threats surrounding the physical location of abortion clinics and planned parenthood and the doctors and nurses and patients going in and out of them is a dark one, but there's a lot of anxiety that has been intensifying. with today's ruling there are a lot of warnings from security folks that this is really something to keep our eyes on. >> indeed, nicolle. i share that anxiety about

increased violence not just because of the heated politics around what's going on but for two specific reasons. one is that as these trigger laws and zombie laws go into effect and states in fact pass more restrictions on abortions, we're going to see women squeezed more and more into receiving states, into blue states where if they have the means to travel there, where abortion is still available. just one point of reference. just between when the vigilante law in texas went into effect and today's decision, the five neighboring states to texas saw an 800% increase in demand at those clinics. as those places get more crowded, it becomes more difficult for the staff there to provide for security. you know, the other thing that has me worried is that today's decision is, i think, on a collision course with the decision just from yesterday from the supreme court in bruen, of course, which both said that

the right to carry a gun outside the home is on par with the right to have a gun inside of your home. but also introduced a new test for state regulation of gun possession that's just going to make it harder to keep guns out of people's hands. so while all of this tension and anger around abortion and frankly logistical problems are bubbling up, we're also going to see the availability of guns increase. now, there are some things that the justice department can do to prevent some of this and thankfully it appears poised to do. >> cal, you are our eyes and ears in wars overseas and in the places in our country that become these political tinder boxes where militias stroll the streets outside highly charged courthouses and other moments of intense political friction in our country. can you just talk about what today feels like in st. louis,

missouri, in the context of those other moments? >> reporter: yeah. so when i was covering the black lives matter movement in louisville a couple of years ago, every morning i would wake up and stand on my balcony and was right across the street from an abortion center provider. every morning i watched young women walk to go have that procedure and they were screamed at and followed and jeered. protesters would surround them and people in vests had to escort them. today just felt like an extension of that. it felt like america in many places in the country has been like this for a long, long time. and today just seems to be evidence of that. i think people are still shocked. but again in places like missouri, if you've been covering this and talking to planned parenthood, they say this is nothing new. the state legislature in 2019 not only put in the trigger law but made it harder to get contraceptives and harder to get an appointment. if you live in rural missouri, how are you supposed to get

here? this is a conservative state so there is a real fear about what comes next, nicolle. >> cal perry and taliweinstein, thank you for spending time with us. thanks to all of you for our breaking news coverage and all week long, we are so grateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. welcome to "the beat." our breaking news coverage continues. the supreme court overturned the constitutional right to abortion today, june 24th, 2022. rolling back a human right that american women have relied on for nearly 50 years. this is the most sweeping rollback of an established right in the high court's modern history. other rights regarding personal choice, privacy, speech, civil rights, none of those have ever been eliminated once recognized. and here is how it all looks and is