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in less than 3%, were nausea, indigestion, stomach pain. now, i run a non-profit for other green berets. when i feel like myself i can do so much more. ask your doctor about nurtec odt. ton on "the reidout." >> now, with roe gone, let's be very clear. the health and life of women in this nation are now at risk. >> millions of women in america will go to bed tonight without access to the healthcare and reproductive care that they had this morning. across the country, protests continue tonight after the extreme right justices on the supreme court strip away a half-century of abortion rights and justice clarence thomas is making it clear, he wants other rights for vote as well.
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the lead plaintiff in a landmark same-sex marriage case joins me tonight. he with begin tonight with a theme that, by now, may be familiar to viewers of this show. repeal the 20th century. the notion that, for many on the far right, the good ole days start with 17 and 18, as in hundreds. the era where men were men and is womener property. and the 20th century, the american century, was literally the ruin of this country as a christian nation the onset of workers' rights and social safety net and income taxes and voting rights for women and black people and liberalized immigration and acceptance of lgbtq people and dangerous cultural things, like jazz, hip-hop, you know, rock and roll. and legalized contraception and apportion. believe it or not, there are people and el with-funded groups in this country who have dedicated their lives to repealing it all. but right now, i hate to say it, they are kind of winning. conservative organizations like the heritage foundation had
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invested decades and many, many millions of dollars building a supreme court that could wipe out all the uncomfortable modernism and keep the right men firmly on top. ask in 2016, they got a president in the very unchristian in donald trump, and mitch mcconnell who made it possible. elections have consequences. and so, just one day after he learned how hard the former president pushed to corrupt the justice department, to help him pull off a literal coup, his three justices, kavanaugh, for such, and barrett joined samuel alito, and insurrection hubby clarence thomas. chief justice roberts pointedly told them you are on your own with this whole striking down roe thing. but since he has into power anymore, the 18th-century crew made those right-wing investments to single-issue voting pay off, big time. py making 50 years of abortion rights for american women, poof, disappear. mike pence, the guy the maga
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insurrectionists wanted to hang, posted that american abortion is now on the ash heap of history ask that republicans' next big act should be to jam through a national pan. and let's just be clear. what alito, thomas, and the trump gang did today. their originalism is social security as sketchy as it is revelatory. since the 18th century abortion uz legal for women in physical oar mental distress up to quickening, meaning actual moving in the womb. what these justices handed down today was purely about politics. they struck down abortion righ simply pause they could. it is they wanted. it is why they lied in precedent to get past gullible senators like susan collins and lisa murkowski to get on the court, in the first place. women became second-class citizens today, full stop. and this court majority? oh, they're not done. clarence thomas in his
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concurring opinion sent out a duck call to his fellow christianists to send daddy cases that will allow him and his five fanatic wrecking crew friends to wipe out legal same sex marriage and legal same access relations and even access to birth control. speaker nancy pelosi warned the only viable option left for the majority of americans who support the right of women to control our own bodies is to take out your vengeance at the polls. >> this is deadly serious. but we are not going to let this pass. a woman's right to choose, reproductive freedom is on ballot in november. we cannot allow them to take charge so that they can institute their goal. which is to criminalize reproductive freedom. >> joining me now senator amy
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klobuchar of minnesota. and senator, thank you so much for being here. i watch you on tv all day and so i know how you are feeling about this and how a lot of women are feeling about it. but, you know, the lady you just saw, i trust that lady to get through a bill that could codify roe versus wade. speaker pelosi could do that the problem your body, where you work, the senate. some of your colleagues said today, joe manchin, i am deeply disappointed the supreme court ruled to overturn roe v. wade. susan collins, she is always concerned, the supreme court abandoned a 50-year precedent at the time to divide country at a moment when we need a court to show both consistency and restraint, voter for gorsuch and cavanaugh. and lisa murkowski, today the supreme court went against 50 years of precedent in choosing
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to overturn roe versus wade in the wake of this ruling. she voted for gorsuch and amy coney barrett. two questions for you, senator, have any of those three people outraged today and somehow weirdly surprised that the people who are literally on the court for the purposes of overturning roe did it, have they expressed to you, a commitment, a firm commitment, that they will do whatever it takes to either get the 60 votes it would take to pass the codification of roe or to adjust the filibuster to do so? >> we haven't heard that from them. we do know that, um, over the years they have voted on the side of choice. but here is the issue. this isn't a drill. >> you know that, skroi. this is the real thing. and when it is the real thing, listened to what speaker pelosi just said. this is about november because if you really want to guarantee women their rights, instead of having this patchwork where minnesota women will have different rights than women in
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texas, where you literally are on the verge of sending women to prison or doctors to prison over this. when states and governors on the republican side are racing to their state capitols to take away women's rights so that my daughter will have less rights than i had, or that her grandma had, what do you do? you go big time in in november to win. and that means, if we could take back two senate seats, in adilgz addition to winning the ones we already had, joy, then we are at the golden number of 5 2. then, he would have the numbers in my mind to get this done. but without that, i don't see this path right now, no matter how horrific this is. we just voted on the women's protection act about a month ago and it failed. and so, i do see a path for the women of america. i do see a path for the women in these states where they have already -- 13 states -- trigger
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law, already going into effect. a number of others that literally have bills and you were so i head of your time in this, joy. this isn't just about the 1950s. this is about the 1850 he cited 12th century law in the opinion. he talked about how abortion isn't in the constitution. well, you aren't in the constitution, is joy. women aren't in the constitution contraception is not in the constitution. and instead of going with what justices tended to do in the past, which are narrow opinions, they went with a sweeping opinion and then to add to that, you got that roadmap put out there by clarence thomas who literally took the invitation to say guess what else we could do to you? we could get rid of your right to contraception. we could get rid of gay marriage right there in writing. so i don't know people thought the leaked opinion, that somehow it was going to be moderated. in my mind, this deposit worse.
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>> indeed and the thing is what is frustrating a little bit is that, you know, i was telling the crew here i feel like i told like a hundred different people in 2017. you ever not voting to like become hillary clinton's roommate. you know what i mean? you are voting to choose who is going to control the fbi, cia, nsa, and pick the supreme court. right? i mean, but it's -- there were a lot of people who were very casual about it. it is not the sexy answer to say, voting is the answer. but can you, as somebody with the power of a united states senator, is there any other answer other than what you said? you need 52 senators as insurance against the ones who are not reliable on changing the fell burst. is -- is there any other answer besides give y'all 52 reliable democrats? >> i -- i do think it is the answer. you do see the president and the vice president standing out there and saying we will make sure the justice department protects women's right to travel. that's really important. some states have put forward
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laws that with would impinge on that and we'll do what he can to protect medication abortions. but let's just look at these states, what they are. there is, of course, the voters key in georgia raphael warnock getting re-elected and in new hampshire with maggie haas. and arizona mark kelly. let's expand the map. you have got to make sure we win in colorado with michael bennet and patty murray in washington state. then, let's expand the map. pennsylvania, wisconsin, north carolina, florida, ohio, missouri. all of these states are right there in the middle of this and the majority of americans -- vast majority -- 75% of americans, joy, of course favor codifying roe v. wade. they favor roe v. wade. they want to see women's rights protected and they don't want to go back to the 1850s. >> yeah. >> they believe and trust a woman to make her own health-care decisions instead of the government, instead of politicians, and instead of ted
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cruz. >> amen. or rand paul. you want to really make mitch mcconnell unhappy? get -- take aa-rand paul and give him charles booker in kentucky. you really want revenge, that's how you would make him really upset. >> kentucky. thank you for bringing up. i thought -- i thought i covered the map. >> you did. leave kentucky on that map, too. amen. anyone can win if you vote for them. senator amy klobuchar, thank you very much. appreciate you. let's bridge in representative cori bush of missouri and, you know, representative, i have been watching you all day, too. i know your emotion. this is personal for you. on this list of states that have these trigger laws that are kicking in instantaneously is your state as well missouri already changed its laws. you have 26 additional states that are, you know, fixing to ban abortion as soon as they get the chance. we are talking about creating two kinds of states. free states for women, and states where women are state property. um, what are -- what are -- what -- what are your thoughts and feelings at this point, you know, having lived this decision all day?
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>> you know, i am here in my district standing here with the people of saint louis. [ cheers and applause ] folks that have said, you know what? you might be able to take the right from me but you can'ttake my voice from me. you might be -- you might be able to strike down the right but you can't strike down -- you can't strike down my fight. you know? and -- and that is -- that's what we're talking about today. missouri -- missouri decided, along with the supreme court that -- that -- that we should have the right to bodily autonomy. that we shouldn't be able to make the decisions for our own bodies. 1.6 million people in this state have just been affected by that. we are talking to people all across the state letting them know, hey, if you are coming to saint louis, which we have a sole abortion provider in the state, if you are coming here pause you had an appointment and you are getting services, you can no longer get services as of today and we are telling people to go to illinois which we know illinois is -- has already
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taken in so many patients and they are already overwhelmed. but we are telling people to go there. illinois is saying send them and we are saying go. i am disturbed. i'm disturbed, joy, because we are talking about -- we are also talk about folks that are dispo proportionately affected and impacted in so many pays already. we are talking about black folks, brown folks, lgbtqia folks, we are talking about our disabled community members, we are talking about folks that are low income, that are being, um, directly impacted by this. and it's for political reasons. we got to make sure that it's known this is political. this is not about babies. this is about that control and it is about who can out trump who. who can out true conservative who? that's what this is about and it is shameful but you know ha? we won't stop. look at the people behind me. >> yeah, amen. listen. samuel alito, as senator klobuchar, um, mentioned. >> you know, when he says originalism, he really means it.
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like, he really wants to set the country back. he and his -- his fellow 18th century acolytes here. they do ant to set the country pack to the way it was in the 19th century, when women had no voice, no say at all. it was all men. and it is striking to me that it is men,py ask large, other than amy coney barrett, who are handing this down. your attorney general, name is eric schmidt, issued an opinionen with minutes of this decision to the missouri reviser of states that triggers parts of that 2019 law ending abortion in that state. in your state. and here are the consequences of that. health care providers who violate the law can be found guilty of a class b felony, which can result in 5 to 15 years in prison. healthcare providers will have their medical licenses suspended or revoked. um, that is the law that has been triggered. under this law, they don't -- i don't read exceptions here. you, yourself, in this situation, have talked about would be forced to give birth. this is pure forced birth in the
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state of missouri. other than if you can't afford to leave the state, what are people supposed to do? >> right now, first of all, all of that is horrendous. and -- and, you know, as far as our attorney general, our governor, and our republicans in this state, um, you know what? i hope that -- i hope that when they -- the still of the night hits them and when they sit ask think about all they have done for political points and political gain, i hope their conscience starts to beat 'em up because i hope they get the reminder or the thought of that little 12-year-old girl that -- that -- that was raped by a family member that can't -- that became pregnant and can't get an abortion and how that will affect her life or affect that person's life moving forward. i hope that it -- that it tears them up that they have no grace. they don't walk in grace and they don't have mercy. i hope it tears them up, bit by bit. but -- but also -- also, we are telling people you still have
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care. secretary becerra of the department of -- secretary of the department of health and human services was right here at this location, at this planned parenthood today. we worked together with advocates abortion providers when the decision was announced and what he said was parents care. what we are saying is make sure that you let people know. if we have to mail you the abortion pill, if you have to have telehealth appointments, you still have the ability to have care. so don't let anybody tell you i can't get care. want to make sure however we can because providers still need to provide care, as well. it is not just on the people calling. providers as well so we are going to make sure. call. call your local reproductive health clinic. call your local abortion clinic. call our office. call your congress members' office, especially if they are a democrat. call -- you can call my office. we will steer you in the right place to go because you deserve
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healthcare. >> i think what we have learned today, having two women who are advocates for their constituents on the show to start, i am glad we did it. elect people who give a damn about you. elect people who actually care about you. don't elect people because they have a party label that you like or you think that they are governing out of the bible because, trust me, as a former -- as church girl, that ain't the bible that they are using. they are using book of power. be governedpy people who give a damn about you like the lady sitting here on the screen me right now. congressman cori bush, thank you for the fight. coming up next on the raed out, what the court's ruling on abortion means for women in red states and how abortion right supporters can fight back. "the reidout" continues after this. "the reidout" continues after this
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now, as i mentioned, there are 13 states that have so-called abortion ban trigger laws in place that today's
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riling will now go into effect. but beyond those, there are 26 states that are now certain or likely to ban abortion, according to the institute. just look at that map. for millions in these statings, this map means they will have to drive an average of four hours to receive care in a boardering state. that is if they even have a car and financial means to make the trip and in the deep south, you could be looking at an even longer-distance drive some in louisiana having to travel 600 mile to get to the nearest clinic. the farrest the entire country. let's bring in joyce vance, professor at the university of alabama school of law and former u.s. attorney. thank you so much for being here, my friend. let's talk about this just for a moment because you said something earlier today that spooked me but i think it is important for people to get this reality. let's just say that the i am -- women in louisiana form a class
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and decide to file a lawsuit saying making us drive 600 miles to get to the nearest dlinic is undue burden, no equal protection under the law. and let's say they took that suit. they would 100% lose with the supreme court. or let's say a state decided to pass a law, the country decided to pass a law, signed, sealed, delivered, codifying roe v. wade, this court would overturn it. so dpichb the fact that every a court that is committed, on a religious basis, to ending abortion rights, is there anything people can do? and is there any point in trying to use the courts? >> so, there is always a path forward. we just have to be smarter and persistent and willing maybe perhaps to fumble around a little bit to get to the right solutions. we have to remember that progress isn't always linear because, joy, i -- i say that we're living in a difficult moment. and the most important thing we -- we cannot do in the next few days and weeks is give up. we have to keep going forward. >> yeah. >> but you're absolutely right.
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i have a concern that this is a court, you know. i have a concern. we he all have a concern. it's apparent on the pages of the opinion in dobbs that this is a court that is not friendly to women's access to reproductive care, to basic fundamental medical care. and that, this court will continue in a very result-oriented way to find a path to striking down any effort to protect women because that's what they've done. texas comes up with this utterly insane provision that permits vigilante lawsuits designed to -- to keep women from exercising their rights when roe was still the law in this country. a statute that no supreme court would have approved. it was just nuts. and of course, this supreme court threw its hands in the air and said we just don't know what to do in the face of this unusual vigilante mechanism. we will have to let it go forward. so -- i'm confident that they will find a way to let anything, no matter how crazy, go forward. but there are other paths he can focus on state legislatures.
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we can focus on ways to -- to make sure that it remains legal for women to travel from one state to another. we can find lawful mechanisms for funding that travel, whether that means we support businesses that continue to believe that their employees are entitled to exercise equal rights and opportunities. or whether that means we find some sort of collective mechanism for sponsoring that but we have a lot of work to do. some of it will undoubtedly involve the courts and other parts will involve protests and peaceful activism. >> you mentioned businesses. businesses have stepped forward in a really big way. j.p. morgan, chars, zillow, et cetera. if you are in a red state and you work for one these companies, at least you have the opportunity to get a travel benefit. that is something you really need to understand that these companies will support you financially in having to travel out of state if you need to do that for the purposes of getting
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this kind of healthcare. so that's important. but, you know, that's only gone that fine until a ron desantis decides to try to punish ask destroy them if they are doing that. let's bring in alexis mcgill johnson. i want you two together to comment on this. president biden talked about the worst-case ske their crows, right? here is president biden talking about what some extremist governors -- and we can we can think of a few right now -- could be up to next. >> what extremist governors and state legislators are looking to block the mail or search a person's medicine cabinet or control a woman's actions by tracking data on her apps she uses are wrong and extreme and out of touch with the majority of americans. >> and i want to ask each of you this and joyce can handle the legality of whether that could approximate done. but i want, alexis, if you could start with that, is there now a concern in the women's rights,
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abortion rights communities, that the governors of places like alabama, louisiana, tennessee, will then begin using trackers that people use to track their periods to track whether or not women miss a period to prove that somebody, um, left the state to end a pregnancy? are we -- are you concerned that we are now at risk of technology being used against women in order to prosecute them or the uber driver that takes them out of town or whoever else these governors want to prosecute? >> look, joy. i mean, we are absolutely concerned. we have seen the increase in criminalization and surveillance after texas's law went into effect. and look. we have history with the state of missouri. the state health commissioner was tracking planned parenthood patient' periods in a spreadsheet to try to determine, you know, whether or not they were carrying pregnancies to term. so, we know that this authoritarianism that is living in so many lawmakers' brains, so many of them who want to
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control/use their power to control our bodies will stop at nothing to think about how to control our bodies even further. so we have to be concerned. missouri also introduced a law around crossing state boundaries, right? these are things that are -- are atrocious and unacceptable in this country. >> are they legal, joyce vance? i mean, if you are using one of these trackers on your phone, can your state use that data -- obtain that data -- in order to prosecute either you or your doctor if you decide to leave the state or use a medication in order to end a pregnancy? >> the devil is always in the detail on these issues. but i think, um, it's not alarmist to contemplate these sort of worst-case scenarios. for instance, if it is a crime to get an abortion in your state, there is no reason that an aggressive district attorney couldn't try to get a search warrant to get your phone to search for evidence, believing that that search would -- would reveal evidence of a crime that was committed. so, that's entirely within the
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realm of possibility. ask as he begin to talk about protecting interstate travel so people can go out state, one can envision a state legislature that might pass a law that made it a crime to enter into a conspiracy to terminate a pregnancy. and that would mean that if you and your husband talked about driving across state lines to get an abortion even though it was legal in that other state, your crime would be fully committed inside of your own state. you would make the agreement there. you would intend to carry out the agreement to get an abortion, and so you could technically be prosecuted. these issues will have to, of course, be litigated and evaluated. but we saw states' attorneys general go to court today, almost immediately after dobbs was passed, seeking to lift stays on all old laws. seeking to bring these prohibitions into effect immediately. there is no reason to believe they won't continue to be aggressive. >> there are so many issues we can talk about. whether or not if a woman is
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impregnatedpy virtue of rape, does the rapist have rights to visitation? do they have to pay child support? does this woman have to interact with someone who raped them or a victim who was impregnated by a family member? there are just so many crazy possibilities but claire mccaskill talk about one of them today and that was very personal to her. take a look. >> one of my daughters had a miscarriage not very long ago. right now in missouri, it would be perfectly within reason for a law enforcement agency to request a search warrant to search her home, to search the doctor's office, to see if, in fact, the medication she was taking -- was it for a self-managed abortion? or was it to manage the consequences of a miscarriage? think about that for a minute. that is what the law is in my state right now.
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>> alexis, is planned parenthood preparing the women to whom it provides services for all of these legal consequences? and is there some plan in order to get women legal protection, um, to cover the cost of maybe having to defend themselves if they are accused because they have a miscarriage or an ectopic pregnancy and need an abortion? >> look. he mean, i think these are the right questions, right? how are -- how are they going to enforce these -- these laws in their states? what is it going to look like? are they going to investigate every single miscarriage? are they going to arrest the patient? are they gonna arrest everyone who has a conversation about abortion in their state? you know, yes, we are absolutely in -- in supporting educating patients and communities around not just what's at stake, but also, um, where the -- the legal concerns and risks are. you know, obviously, as joy said, the devil is in the details in understanding how
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these laws are -- are going to be applied and how they are going to approximate enforced. you know, but -- the -- the only safeguard here at this point -- the only safeguard here -- is to make sure that we are standing up, ask fighting and mobilizing and voting these people out. >> i was just going to say the only safeguard -- make like the tea party and take over these state legislatures. if you, if people who care about women control these state legislatures, they won't legislate away your rights. you let these republicans hang on to these state legislatures, it's skruchl ball. they can do whatever they want to you. before i let the ladies go, i want to put up a list of where you can donate to abortion funds and support groups. we are just going to put that up. those are some of organizations. you can quickly write those down tore take a picture of your screen so you can see those. of course, planned parenthood, as well. thank you both very much. up next, reproductive rights rolled back, confidents are turning attention to attacking contraception, access to same sex marriage, too. that is next. sex marriage, too. that is next
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the right to use birth control, married couple in the privacy of their bedroom for god sake. right to marry the person you love. now, justice thomas said as much today. he explicitly called to reconsider the right of marriage equality, the right of couples to make their choices on contraception.
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this is extreme and dangerous path the court is now taking us on. >> the president isn't wrong. in his concurring opinion, justice clarence thomas said the right to an abortion isn't the only established right under the 14th amendment that could be overturned. thomas writes quote in future cases, webd consider all this court's substantive cue process, including griswold and lead plaintiff in the landmark supreme court case which legalized same sex marriage is currently a candidate for the ohio house of representatives. thank you for being here, sir. and interestingly enough, um, two of the three rulings that justice thomas said we should reconsider. it is like a duck call saying hey send me cases on this. are the case involving dpai marriage, same-sex marriage you were the plaintiff in, and also the case people may not remember that has to do same-sex relationships period, which were illegal up until 20 -- you could
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approximate arrested for up until 2003 but there are a bunch of other cases that also kind of fall under that same sort of thing. griswold, which gives the right to have contraceptives. brown v. board. there is a punch of other cases. are you now concerned -- interestingly, didn't put loving versus virginia on his list because that would affect him personally. what do you make of -- of -- of clarence thomas expanding the prism on ha rights should fall under in his view? >> well, thank you for having me on this evening and i am very concerned about this decision. and the fact that justice thomas has put a target on the back of hundreds of -- >> oh, i can -- we can hear you. >> okay, i am sorry, i was interrupted by a producer. sorry about that. so i am just concerned that hundreds of thousands of marriages across this nation are at risk. and the ability of people across this nation to marry the person they love is at risk. and for justice thomas to
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completely omit loving versus virginia, in my mind, is quite telling. as you put it, that affects him personally but he doesn't care about the lgbtq+ community. he is opposed to our equality. he is opposed to our ability to actually be part of we, the people. so, this concurring opinion, to me, is just a roadmap for opponents of lgbtq+ equality, to come after those decisions and to make sure that we know they believe we are second-class citizens, not worthy of protection, not worthy of equality. >> it is definitely a message that i think should tell all americans that all of our rights are intertwined. and the rights that we established and -- and expand to people of color, to black folks, to i am, apply to everyone and that if one falls, it is like a domino. i want to bring in president does director council of the naacp legal defense fund and i do want to bring you in on this conversation because, you know,
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there are a lot of people whoorp saying, you know what, let them try to enforce it, right? trying to take away the right of -- of women to control their own bodies but clarence thomas is putting a lot of stuff on the table. he is saying that he is not done. and that he would also like to see cases that would allow him to take down the rights of lgbtq people and even the right to get pirgt control. is -- is -- is the legal community prepared for a fight that's that broad? >> yes, the answer is yes we are prepared for it. whether this court is the proper forum for us to win it is -- is a real question in light of today's decision and even yesterday's decision in the gun-control case. justice thomas is acting in very extreme and radical ways when he puts well-founded rights, well-reasoned decisions on the chopping block, and suggests that they somehow violate the constitution. that is very dangerous language to include in a decision.
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and i think that we should all be deeply alarmed by what he is forecasting that this court may be poised to do. justice kavanaugh tried to cabinet some. tried to, you know, sort of rein it in a bit. but based on what i have seen in this court, based on their absolute dismissal of starry decisis in so many cases and the hypocrisy this court has shown in suggesting it wants to protect life and just a few weeks ago, issued a decision in shin versus ramirez, when someone who is sentenced to death barely find an opportunity for reform even if their lawyer failed them at trial just tells you that this court is very outcome-driven. it is seeking a particular agenda to fulfill. and really, we should all be very concerned about the trajectory of this country. >> let's look at this. so -- so there is this new abortion focus on right, which is who they serve. who this court serves. "axios" reports that abortion
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pills are now the thing that they are zeroing in on. abortion travel bans are now the next frontier, um, for the people who are, you know, from a religious point of vurks wanting to have the country governed the way they want. here is one -- this takes the cake honestly. i went through and read the whole article, including two articles this gentleman wrote that says that the next thing the people should do -- a state can -- can of course impose criminal penalties on abortion providers, including lengthened prison sentences but some states will not stop there. perhaps in the wake of today's decision, a state may criminalize the woman's conduct, too. and the idea of this conservative is to put women in mental hospitals. to lock women in mental hospitals who get illegal abortions, treat them as if they attempt a suicide. so this is somebody who wrote not once but twice, articles saying that the way to be compassionate toward women is not to incarcerate them in prison but to incarcerate them in a mental hospital.
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is that where we are heading? >> listen, joy, we are right now in the recursor to the handmaid's tale. this is real. this is not a show. this is not entertainment. this is actually happening to women across this country. we are being threatened in ways that he haven't seen in over two generations. and yes, i don't put it past any one of these extremists who propose such a possibility for women. women are already being criminalized. people who have conversations with women about their reproductive health may be criminalized. this is what we are dealing with. but fortunately, we already have seen 82 prosecutors sign a letter saying they would not prosecute women who run afoul of what i believe are patently unlawful laws. >> yep. >> so, we need to encourage more district attorneys, more prosecutors, to step forward and stand up for women and women's reproductive rights. >> and jim, is this going -- are we looking at a broad coalition
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now? because these are now group rights. we are now facing women, lgbt folks, we are now all in the same skillet. can you foresee a movement that brings all of us together, in order to fight what really is religious zaeltry being acted out through the supreme court? >> i certainly hope so, joy, and that is exactly what we need to do. he with need to fight together because when one right that we have enjoyed -- one right we have come to rely on is taken awaypy this court, all rights are at risk. and we have to fight together. we have to stand together, and say we all are americans. we all are human beings. we all deserve certain basic rights and we cannot allow this court, this extreme right-wij wing court, and extreme right-wing legislators across the country to tang us packward in time. >> indeed. >> that is what this court is doing. >> for now, we have separation of church and state. you better defend it pause they
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scorched earth, imposing their question theocratic agenda on all of us. the court ruled it public money can't go to religious schools. in an erosion of the separation of church and state. and assault on public education. the court went after your civil rights, chipping away memorandum of protections. you still have the right to remain silent, but you can't sue a police officer who doesn't inform you of that. but the most egregious hypocrisy, just 24 hours before your right to obtain an abortion should be left to the states. the court ruled that you do have a right to obtain a concealed carry in any state, even those with -- striking down in new york law limiting concealed carry, because gun regulations apparently cannot be left to the states. you see how that works? women's bodies, yes. guns, no. let's bring in justice correspondent for the nation. you read through this decision. i only had to read like the first line, it's the same thing as the other leak. i mean, we knew this was happening. but can you talk about the bigger construct of what they're doing in general, to
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fuse christian church and state, because it all's religious? >> at a basic level, if you want rights in this country under this conservative supreme court, you better be as this hetero had about white man or susie. because those are the two things that this color believes have rights. -- >> or a corporation -- >> you can incorporate yourself as an easy, and perhaps that works. let's start at conception, and let's remember the idea that life begins at conception is a question, fundamentalist idea. we live in a prolific society, people of many religions, they believe they do not hold the right against conception. many people who don't have faith don't hold the right against conception. and many secularists say, i don't care what jesus thinks, what's your version of jesus thinks, and a secular society should be prosecuted along
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secular laws, right? so you really had to go back to where the legal heart of alito's opinion is. and it's in this original interpretation of the 14th amendment, and of the founding fathers, that says, if the original, white, male,'s enslavers and colonists, who wrote the constitution, then i think you should have a right, but guess what? you don't get that right. but they don't detail why those original enslavers and colonists said that you couldn't have -- they didn't officially say that you have a right to your own bodily autonomy. and when you target that question, the answer is pretty obvious. those people didn't think that women had a right to finish their sentences in public. >> right. >> they didn't think that marital wing that was a thing that could happen. they thought their daughters could be sold for cash and prizes, through the highest bidder, and that's how the people who wrote the constitution tweeted the woman. that was white men. they can be raped with impunity,
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and in fact, as you pointed out at the beginning of your show, they were the woman who could not get abortions at the founding, because the white men who wrote the constitution viewed the black women as incubators for the next generation of profit centers. and it is that logic that sam alito resurrect from the 18th century, and brings it to the 21st century in his opinion. and all the conservatives went along. so -- >> no, no. i was just gonna say that, you know, i doubt, right? there is a case that it rabbi is bringing in florida, who says hold on a second. in judaism, life doesn't begin at conception. and we believe abortion should be legal. don't you agree that if that case were ever to get to the supreme court, suddenly, there would be a total separation from church and state. this ain't about religion. it's just this one version of chris gennadiy. that guy, if it gets all the way to the supreme court, will lose. there is no from, like, legal
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theory here. it's just, we are question, right people. and we want that to govern america. >> arguments are of no use here. the supreme court does not care about its own hypoxia because they have the books and they have the will to power to do what they want to do. so, yes, i think we should bring that lawsuit from those people. i think that we should pass congressional legislation codified roe v. wade. but there's a line between hope and foolishness. and we have to be realistic about what the supreme court is willing to do. if you pass those laws, if you bring those cases, the supreme court will strike them down. and so, i say, again, the whole actual solution, it might sound hard, it might sound radical. but the only actual solution is to expand the court with people who believe in secular government as opposed to --
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>> it's the only way to do that. i don't sound like a broken record, but you need 54 senators, y'all. you got it is like eight good races, focus on getting 54 senators. it's the only way you can ever expand the court. elie mystal, thank you very much. we'll be right back. much we'll be right back. finding the perfect developer isn't easy. but, at upwork, we found her. she's in prague, between the perfect cup of coffee and her museum of personal computers. and you can find her, and millions of other talented pros, right now on upwork.com
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>> tonight, don percentage decision from the court. the states that are already banning abortion access, and a battle to get it back. >> we're gonna have to fight a long way to get it back, but we're not gonna give up. >> tonight, rebecca traister, melissa murray,

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