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heart of what is so, so maddening today. >> dahlia lithwick, senior editor and legal editor for slate dot come. dahlia, it's an important day, thanks for being with us. >> thanks, rachel. >> all right, that is going to do it for us for now. i will see you again on monday. it will be back here for the rachel maddow show monday night. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. welcome to the show, i am zerlina maxwell. the supreme court has now done something it has never done before. it has stripped away one of our constitutional rights. the 63 ruling overturning roe v. wade takes away our fundamental right to control our own bodies. which americans have depended on for nearly 50 years. even though we knew this decision was likely coming. it's another thing for it to actually happen! and you can hear the emotion
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and the anger, even from house speaker nancy pelosi. >> this morning, the radical supreme court is eviscerate-ing americans rights. and endangering their health and safety. the republican control has achieved their dark, extreme goal of ripping away a woman's right to make her own reproductive health decisions. because of donald trump, which coddle, at the republican party. if the supreme court, americans they have less freedoms than their mothers. >> this ruling takes us backwards. and you get a sense of just how far backwards when you listen to what's an nbc news correspondent said when roe was decided back in january, of 1973. >> from the beginning, abortion has been forced to see this issue as a constant --
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on an individual's choice. abortion is now legal in every state. the basic fight is now over. >> the basic legal fight was thought to be over. but then they waged a decades long political fight to stack the supreme court. now because of this, political court ruling, about half the states in america will ban or greatly stricter abortion. within hours, missouri became the first state to have a trigger law enacted -- provider to induce an ambush and can get 5 to 15 years in prison. missouri democratic congressman, cori bush, who has shared her own story of having an abortion after she was raped, and became pregnant, spoke today from her home state. >> i am standing at the place where i had my own abortion care services at 18 years old. i got raped when i was 17. and as we're talking, we're
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sitting with the secretary where that announcement was made. it broke my heart! because i am thinking about the people who today, found out that they were pregnant. found that they were pregnant a few weeks ago. and we're trying to figure out what to do. >> congresswoman glenn maher joins us now. congresswoman, what was your reaction on hearing the ruling today? >> good morning zerlina. obviously, not surprised because of the late decision some weeks ago. but, i think my son said it best. he said mom, i felt like i was in a time machine going backwards. i have lived long enough to know what's a horrific decision this is. not only for women's reproductive freedom, but for others, so called an enumerated rights. you know, the right to marry who you want to marry. jeff we may in fact piece
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celebrating the last gay pride month. the right, they say, they saw brown versus the board of education. but there is no enumerated right in the constitution to an education. this is a free-for-all. i think. and, any right wing conservative cause that they want to if this rate, the doors now wide open. it's hard, they're gonna go after birth control, and i think that women's ability to expand their economic opportunities, the educational opportunities, their freedom. is over. and you know you had cori bush on earlier, talking about being brave. i come from the state of wisconsin where we have been in the top ten of states for decades, women who have become pregnant because of statutory rape.
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they've been young, and so, people will be forced to continue pregnancies when they're raped. incest. or, event when their health is at risk. just yesterday, the wisconsin state legislature gaveled in and gaveled out, 15 seconds, effort that the democratic governor called to overturn an 1849 law that made abortion murder in our state. and so, we are one of those states where a doctor could be charged with mighty. and and in fact all 24 a buyer planned parenthood's are providing their last abortion care tomorrow. >> it's really important to
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hone in on what you said about being a survivor of sexual assault, and what this means for people who survive rapes because, if you really think about it, being a survivor of rape means that your body autonomy has been stolen and now is going to be stolen again, because the state is going to require you to keep puree this child. i wanna hone in on that point. before asking you about the three liberal justices, who in their dissent said this. quote, one result of today's decision is certain, certain. the containment of women's rights, and of their status as free and equal citizens. so speak to this point that essentially what this ruling does, by taking away a constitutional right. is about a lot more then abortion. at the end of the day, it's about the ability of women. and people who can get pregnant, to make the decision for themselves. >> really, because they're going after contraception as
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well. i grew up in an era where a typical family of 18 or 12. i'm from a family of nine. and, women did not have educational opportunities. economic opportunities. because they were constantly pregnant. it was among other things, -- the law is about adultery, adultery of course is awful. but no one wants to think about someone going to jail for four indicating, or committing adultery. all these things around the table now. yeah and not allowed to any kind of -- whether it's a same-sex partner, or whether it's a cheat on your wife. all of these things, the court has gone to that with you at this point. >> it's a really scary thought. it gave me goose bumps a little earlier.
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congresswoman glenmore, thank you so much for setting the south. thank you for being here. stay safe. joining us now, is liz, an embassy co-host of recount live. jacobson, a cofounder of -- . liz i want to start by playing some of what's the new conservative justices said under oath at their confirmation hearings. take a look. >> senator, again i would tell you that roe v. wade, decided in 1973, is a president of the united states supreme court. it has been reaffirmed. so a good judge will consider, as president of the united states supreme court as worthy of treatment of precedent. like any other. >> this is a press sentence that has been reaffirmed many times over 45 years. including in planned parenthood versus casey. whether they specifically considered whether to overrule or reconfirm. and other factors that unfortunately became president on precedent in this context. >> as richard fallon from harvard said, roe is not a
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super president because calls for its overruling has never seized. but that does not mean that it should be overruled. it just means that it does not fall on a small handful of cases. like margaret versus madison, and brown versus the board, that no one questions anymore. >> i mean, what is your reaction to the fact that it appears that they did not tell the truth there? based on this decision today. that is contradictory to what they said under oath and their confirmation, this. >> yeah, three supreme court justices lied under oath. that means that this is a devastating day for america. it's a devastating day for democracy. it's a devastating day for people who love, and care about women. and care about survivors. people who care about privacy. people who care about contraceptives. people who have sex. i know many men enjoy sex with women, it's also a bad day for them as well. so it's a sad day for the right. i would say as well. because what we are seeing
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right now play out is not with the majority of democrats want, or wet republicans want. that's why it's a varying story today. tune into fox news instead of msnbc right now, what you will see, is them talking about the celebration that this is good. but that it won't change much. so the right knows that this is that. there is no red state where overturning roe had the majority. so they are setting themselves up for unapproved hill battle when it comes to the midterms. and it's important for us to keep talking about that. this is not with the majority of americans want. >> we have talked before about the fact that this was anticipated, because of the draft leaked opinion. but speak to the fact that, look at these images of the supreme court. it is surrounded by fencing right now. and even when it is not surrounded by fencing, the steps are 700 feet high. you have to go up seven stories of steps just to get inside the building. it's essentially i'm mcmahon
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purpose. it's built that way to be above the rest of us. speak to this idea that the supreme court is not in line, to liz's point, with the majority of the american people. and that they are out of step with where the american public is. >> yeah, america's, and always has been an overwhelmingly pro-choice come tree. in fact, if you look at the political opinion going all the way back to row. it has remained, effectively fixed. and roughly only two intent americans support the idea that the court should overturn roe v. wade. so what we had happened today is the final step, i shouldn't say the final step, but an important step in the decades long fight with a singular goal. the goal was to overturn roe v. wade. specifically to control women. and maintain the power that antiabortion radical men in this country have. over everybody who can get pregnant. this is not with the american people want.
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it is not what the american people believe. in fact, zerlina, the radical antiabortion movement has badly lost the public battle on abortion. but, they have used voter suppression, and gerrymandering, and the ceiling of supreme court seats to win the political and legal fight for the moment. and i want to emphasize, for the moment. >> it is such an important point about the fact that they are so out of step. and explained well there by oren, but liz, how do democrats utilize this moment to energize their base in the midterm elections? we're gonna talk momentarily to one of our friends about what's happening since even the women 's march up to this point. but how do democrats utilize this moment to energize turnout in the upcoming midterms? >> i think that is going to be the major key. the women's march had a --
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going. and what we saw from the past few weeks is people getting together to protest but the moisture is were much smaller. -- as opposed to really such a global movement this march. so there's going to have to be, re-energize asian when it comes to the movement. and part of that is actually being pragmatic in how we talk about it. yes this is devastating, as this is awful, but this is actually, abortion is still available in all 50 states. most abortions that happened in this country, happen with abortion pills. so there is really tremendous women rights organizations that have been organizing for a while now. they are telling women in all 50 states, and particularly the red states where there are trigger laws and abortion will be illegal. get a mail for eating service, get an place in the state where abortion rights are protected. get the abortion pill sent there and it will be sent to you. there are organizations who are being as creative as the right, and they are really going out on offense about this and i
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think that we have to talk about that reality to. there is an optimistic view here that this is going to reenergizing the reproductive rights movement and allow more women to have more access, not less. >> liz and oren it is great to have you on this really historic day. but it is hard for so many activists out there who really care about this. please stay safe, have a great weekend! we will be right back! weekend! we wfor me personally, i am adopted. so knowing that other women's out there who can't -- who can't. it's pretty hard to see, i was lucky! that i have a wonderful mother! ♪ i'm way ahead of schedule with my trusty team ♪ ♪ there's heather on the hedges ♪
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president kamala harris met with a group of democratic state attorney generals on abortion rights. this meeting was days before the supreme court handed down its decision on roe v. wade, overturning roe. now people seeking abortion in 13 states, with trigger raw laws, brace for what is to come. automatic abortion bans will take effect. the ballot is not one of the
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states on this map, but it's attorney general is warning that these bands will still take effect in his state. he told residents last month that they will not feel the immediate effect of roe being overturned unless voters pass a referendum to change it. he encouraged them to get reproductive health services that they need. joining me now is nevada state attorney general, aaron ford. i just want to get your initial reaction to today's news and how you will go about ensuring that the residents of nevada have access to abortion care? >> first off, thank you for having me. this is a very important discussion. i would say good afternoon, but bad afternoon, frankly. i am disgusted and disturbed, disappointed, and frightened. those were the immediate sentiments that came to mind when i awoke to the news that the supreme court, for the first time in the history of our country, is removing a constitutional right. a generation of individuals have grown up with this right.
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when they wake up tomorrow, they will no longer have it. it is something that is a dramatic. it is something that we ought to be cognizant of it. to the question of what -- there were several things that we are talking about. you are right, we have abortion codified in our statues back in 1990, we were qualified by roe v. wade. you can get an abortion up to 2 to 4 weeks or longer if they deduct requires it. but i argue against complacency in the matter. chances are that we could overturn the constitutional right, there are people who are lying in wait, already. in fact, we've seen today, even for those groups in nevada that are mixed. i argue against complacency. while they can be overturned, except for a vote to the people, they can curve the right. they could put in restrictions. they can put in a waiting period. there are so many things that people can do to --
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we are talkingabout complacency. i just want to ensure that nevada and snow that they need to continue to protect this right by going to the ballot box. >> right, you mentioned states making moves to implement additional restrictions. south carolina, the governor pushed for more restrictions. they already talked about mystery. you are among the folks who were actually at the meeting with the vice president. what was her message to you, given the fact that today is not a surprise, even though it is historic and monumental? >> in fact, the meeting was yesterday. it was quite timely. it reaffirmed what we already knew. that is that madam vice president, and the entire administration, is very concerned about this. it will marshal whatever they can for women and the right to choose of what to do with their bodies and when it comes to abortion. we talked about from my colleagues from other states on how other states are prepared
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to what we consider to be, travel. -- our service providers in nevada saw an increase of requests for abortions. madam vice president was stern in her voice to ensure that the federal government was able to augment, as some plummet, compliment, do whatever you could to do to help states to protect this right. in addition to encourage congress to act. on the one hand we have republicans, frankly, who want to enact a six-week ban in congress, then we need to have other colleagues and in a sufficient number of those to pass a protective law that applies federally to protect women and those women in this particular arena. >> that is an important point. erin ford, attorney general of nevada. thank you for joining. as a plea stay safe. we will be right back. >> as a non christian, i see
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this as religious rule. i see it as nothing more than men and organizations trying to control women's bodies. >> there's always hope. i think our best bet is legislatively. unfortunately, people going to die, women are going to die between now and when the legislation passes. this is untenable and i do not know how we gotta get to this point. point. best deals on every iphone - including the iphone 13 pro with 5g. that's the one with the amazing camera? yep! every business deserves it... like one's that re-opened! hi, we have an appointment. and every new business that just opened! like aromatherapy rugs! i'll take one in blue please! it's not complicated. at&t is giving new and existing business customers our best deals on every iphone. ♪ ♪ we hit the bike trails every weekend shinges doesn't care. i grow all my own vegetables shingles doesn't care. we've still got the best moves you've ever seen
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supreme court, reacting to the courts ruling to overturn roe versus wade. while some of the folks are celebrating, others are feeling angry and distressed about the future of the country. and the question is, could this decision be one that reignites feminists? according to the new york times columnist, michelle goldberg, quote, four years of trump, two years of the pandemic, and then unending right-wing onslaught. a lot of people are feeling numb and exhausted. joining me now, nina, she is the cofounder of that nasty woman -- and of which i have an essay in. quote. for black women. and she's also the former executive director of teen vogue. and i want to get your reaction to today and the ruling. we are real friends, so we have talked about the possibility of this happening. but what if this actually comes real? >> first of all, i am really happy to be talking to you
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today. especially because of your decades-long commitment to the issue, and bringing it to the forefront. and i have felt every emotion that you could possibly feel in the past few hours. i feel angry, sad, i feel grief stricken, i feel righteous, enraged. and even though we knew it was coming, it was like waiting right? and then when it finally happened. i was struck with such deep sadness, especially thinking about the women that were trying to get, or pregnant people trying to get abortions today. and the 13 states with trigger bans fell immediately. they're falling as we speak. and how much pain this is going to cause so many people. and also i think there was a level of disbelief, i think i actually had hope. and i didn't realize that they were actually going to do this. and to set the clock back on women's rights, this profoundly, in 2022. it's a lot to internalize. i'm having trouble believing it,
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even though it is real. >> one of the things i've been thinking a lot about is brett kavanaugh. specifically, he's just coming to the top of my mind today. justice kavanaugh. and i keep thinking back to the people who were protesting his confirmation, specifically, who are outside in the hallway. yelling, i do not consent! and one of the things that struck me in that moment, if you go back and listen to the tape, is women screaming from the depth of their souls. it was i do not consent to put someone who is credibly accused of violating bodily autonomy, on a court set to overturn our rights. bodily autonomy and speak to the attack -- breast -- justice brett kavanaugh. >> justice clarence thomas, justice kavanaugh. we are looking at a right-wing court with a really specific agenda to set back the clock on women's rights! and this is just the beginning! great? and consent is exactly the
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right word for this. we do not consent to this! we do not consent to this and being forced to have children. when you have a court that has been nominated, based on barely questionable precedent, that is chipped bowl to the right wing. these justices do not reflect the majority of the united states. we are living under, as they are saying, we are living under minority rule currently. and that is the playbook from which they are making these decisions. >> i started by talking about michelle goldberg's piece, we've discussed it since she first put it in the new york york times. you are quoted in the piece saying that you do not see a new influx of feminist energy. and identity focused feminism specifically. in some ways it has grown out of style. what have you've been saying, even prior to the supreme court
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ruling. and do you think the ruling itself could maybe energize some feminists? >> so, i do think that this ruling, like many of the things that we have seen in recent history, and current events, are going to energize a group of young people. and i think they are very energized. and to clarify, kind of what i said in that piece, which is well a tank really lays out the states right now. i think she does a great job of thinking of the nuances of contemporary feminism. we have to remember that feminism, first of all, there was never really a time when feminism was popular. and the last ten years have been an outlier. for it to have become so popular, and, you know, all of a sudden it became a hashtag. to be a feminist. and i think we should always be wary of. that it is important. we need those celebrity feminists, we need the underground organizers. every movement has had both the kind of speakers that were really visible. and organizers and people on
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the grassroots. and every generation you kind of have, if you look back 20 years, there is another set of stories about backless him in feminism. and 20 years before that. but there was another time it was particularly popular. we can related to this generational, i mean, we don't exactly relate to the feminism of our mother's generation right? so we had to carbon find our own way. and i do think a lot of the kind of, navel gazing, looking internally. well i think it is important. i think as feminists we often do that. and we feel like we need to be held, we need to hold ourselves responsible for this movement. and feminism is something, it's fluid, it's diverse, it's huge, it's intersectional. there's many different ways that people identify with it. but it is also saying for a very long time, by coming to roe v. wade. and that is not because some young people don't identify with it, right? this is a war on women that has been going on for over 20 years. and longer than that. and, even calling it a backlash
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is suggesting that feminism has somehow won, when we still have yet to see feminist ideals, and feminist values, truly being incorporated in any kind of real political leadership. i don't mean just, putting out diverse candidates. i mean actually sticking to feminist values and ideals. >> it's really important. i mean, while we do have a woman vice presidents. the first in american history. we still have not had a woman president. so this idea that feminist one something has always been a really funny premise to me. sinema, thank you so much for being here. it's good to see you. please stay safe. we'll be right back after this! stay safei feel betrayed, and l lost. i feel like i'm 19 years old, i've had my first year of college. i should be feeling excited and happy. and especially at this time where so much life is ahead of me. i would shouldn't be worried about my liberates taken away from me! from me! placement pays to replace
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to overturn roe v. wade has essentially empowered congress. states now have the opportunity to determine individual abortion policy. congress could still in shrine abortion rights and create federal protections, or can they outline them and make them criminally punishable. in today's senate, neither republicans nor democrats have the votes to bring either of those scenarios to life. but what about in the years to come? there is also concern that abortion could just be the beginning. justice clarence thomas has suggested the court should consider rulings that protect contraception, birth control, and gay marriage. joining us now, the district attorney for new york. also an -- and we talked about this
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throughout the show. what is next me? and on thursday the court struck down also new york's conceal and carry law. on friday they ended abortion protections. this court seems out of step with public opinion. as a district attorney, responding to constituents need. speak to the effect that these rulings can have on the people that you serve? >> yeah, zerlina, it has obviously been a very upsetting 24 hours. with both of these decisions that really infringe on our constitutional rights. the rights to be free from gun violence and of course the rights to reproductive health care for women. and i really don't think that there is hyperbole right now. nothing can be overstated. i believe that i am privileged to be at this level, in the state system. in a state where we do have
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options for abortion, and i know that our governor and our legislature are working to make those protections even greater now. and as a district attorney, i will do everything in my power to ensure that women who, here in new york obviously. but women from other parts of the country, who need to come here to obtain a safe and legal abortion will be able to. and i will 100% enforce the laws against anyone who tries to infringe on those rights. we already had a case in white plains, just outside you knox city, not too long ago. with some people who try to interfere in a clinic and they were arrested, and prosecuted, and i will not hesitate to do that again. that is the best, sort of, resource that i can offer to our constituents right now. there are millions of people in
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this country who are concerned about access to reproductive health care and the other rights that could be at stake here. talk about plan b, contraception, iuds, that could all be impacted because of the language in clarence thomas's concurring opinion. also, the fact that the majority opinion itself does go to the heart of planned parenthood v. casey. lay out the full scope of the implications here. >> there are very wide implications. of people should not be confused here. this is not just about access to abortion. it is mainly about that. this is what's feeds it directly relates to by overturning an established president by a court that has become radical and right-wing and determined to pursue a right-wing agenda. as you alluded to in clarence
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thomas's concurring opinion, he also says, very clearly, that the court should not a stop here. it should look at burger fell which protects same-sex marriage. the law that goes to access to contraception. -- in 1989, the law in texas. this is also a right-wing supreme accord with a very expansive view of how we should limit peoples personal freedoms and goes after vulnerable communities whose rights have been wong a painstakingly and difficult -- this is a classic example of a supreme court with a dark, backward view of the country. it is taking as a backward with them. it is scary stuff, no doubt. >> mimi, in terms of some of the polling around this, we have talked on this show about how the majority of the
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american people want legal abortion. they want this right to be protected. it has been four last years until today. also, if you look at the map now, and you look at the states with trigger laws, 50% of the country according to breaking's lives in a county where they have to travel miles and miles away to be able to seek an abortion. and seek out abortion care. do you worry that states like yours will be affected in terms of an influx of people, and a backlog, because you are one of the few states where there are no tight and limiting restrictions? >> well, i will, not worry about that right now. i'm going to worry about protecting every woman's white no matter where they come from. the idea that the supreme court is -- what really happened here is
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that they are basing this decision, this radical conservative radicalized majority is basing their decision not on the law, not on precedent, not on the constitution and how it has been interpretedordecades and decades now. but on their political and personal views. that is the problem. the supreme is supposed to be a political. it is so clearly not, at this point. as a lawyer, that is what is most upsetting. this is why we have a slippery slope that we are talking about now about other rights. it is not just about abortion. it is about them imposing their radical, political agenda through their rulings in the supreme court. --
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that is the most scary and upsetting a piece of this. we will deal here in new york with whoever comes here. we should be a bastion of safety and security for women. i think we should be proud of that. i am proud to be part of that system. >> me and julián castro, thank you so much for being. here please stay safe. we will be right back. >> today is one of the darkest days that our country has ever seen. millions and millions of american women are having their rights ripped away. we will do everything we can to preserve the rights of women. s of women ♪ ♪
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constitutional right. what happened today was historic in many respects, historic in that it had not granted and recognized a constitutional right, then reversed it. this is a first. and again, just before it imposed a constitutional rights to a -- four concealed weapons. >> in the span of 48 hours, two supreme court decisions had shaken the sense of comfort
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filled by millions of americans. on thursday, they struck down a new york state law that restricted who can apply for conceal carry license. and carry a concealed weapon. in friday's decision to overturn roe versus wade, has right away a constitutional right that has been in place for nearly 50 years. joining me now is former new york city mayor, bill de blasio, i want to get your reaction to this to court rulings by the supreme court. the new york ruling came a day before, they overturned roe. >> so, the supreme court has made the country less safe, and less fair. has stolen rights of women before all of our eyes. an overt robbery of the whites of women. and it is breathtaking. right wing extremism. and it is absolutely a validation of the fact that we now need to do something that might have seemed impossible at one point, but now. we need to expand this because it is entirely out of step with
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the vast majority of americans. i do think that it is hard to imagine a silver lining when you are seeing guns being made more available, and women's rights stolen from them. hard to find a silver lining. but it is a seismic political moments. and i believe that not just thousands, but millions of american voters are going to remember these two decisions in the vampire. and people will vote, who wouldn't have voted. people will change their vote because of this. i think it will redefine the american political landscape. and that is the hope here. that if we actually engage the vast majority of americans to get involved, we will turn back these horrible decisions overtime. through the democratic process. that we can't ever give up on that. >> so say folks don't give up on that. and in the midterm elections, there is a wave of folks who as reacting to this particular opinion.
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and democrats are successful. how do you see the process for extending the supreme court as you said? >> it's like every other movement that went from, you know, something considered very difficult or, something considered unusual becomes typical. and becomes part of the discourse, and that moves, and then it moves again. look at the fight for marriage equality. in the space of less than a decade, went from something a lot of political servers thought was impossible to becoming the actual law of the land and the right for the whole country. and that right needs to be protected. marriage equality isn't acting to protect. but look at how quickly that moved. look at how quickly the fight for the 15 dollar minimum wage move. again, landed and french in the eyes of mainstream political position that has massive support around this country. we already have a working american majority who will try to choose by a lot. we have a huge working american
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majority that favors gun safety laws. turning that into a legislative majority, it will be very hard work. turning that into a majority to expand the court, it will be very hard work. but we will do that work. and i will tell you something, even this recent gun legislation. we're all paid by the juxtaposition after uvalde, after buffalo. a possible way of life that the u.s. has immediately been under cut by the supreme court. but it does tell us that events to matter. peoples consciousness does matter. people's voices do matter. so now, that slight to expand the court is beginning to become mainstream. because millions of millions are going to say that this court is hurting us, it's taking away rights. what speaker pelosi said is right. it's the first time a court has taken away rights, then added rights. and that is definitely america. >> former new york city mayor, bill de blasio, running for
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a restorative shower for body and mind. in the wake of the supreme court ruling, overturning roe v. wade, protests are erupting all across american. nbc's jacob is live in california where he's been speaking to residents on the ground. there would've been hearing today? >> well zerlina, the emotions
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are very raw here in california. this state as you know represents in many ways, the future of life in this post roe world we are looking at. people are telling us cheerfully that they are out rage, they cannot believe their rights have been taken away. and we're about to see a series of protests pop up all across northern and southern california. this is also a place where you will see big, almost a nation level action taken to protect abortion rights at least here in the golden state. we have 13 separate bills under consideration currently that would in some way, protect or deepen a woman's access to reproductive choice and reproductive health services. you have in fact, one senate, the senate yesterday passed a new piece of legislation that would essentially in shrine in the california state institution, a romans right to choose an abortion if she wants one. which would obviously make this a destination for people across the country who cannot get an
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abortion where they are. one estimate is that nearly 1 million women in mexico alone would have california as they're close as possible option for an abortion. assuming that a trigger law changes the laws there. this is also, zerlina, a place where the very deep academic study of abortion and its effects has actually taken root. this is one of the few places in the country that has those kinds of studies. we have spoken to the authors of one of the alternatives study that looked at 1000 people, 500 whom were allowed to get an abortion and 500 not. and follow them over five years to see what would happen to them. here's the bad year, when women are denied that a portion they seek, and almost every aspect of their lives the lives are worse than women who are able to do that. so we're seeing in an academic sense, and on the ground just how deep this effect will be. >> jacob ward, thank you so
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much for being here. it was great to have you! please stay safe. that does it for me! i am zerlina, you can find me monday through friday streaming on peacock through the msnbc hub. be sure to follow us on facebook, twitter, tiktok, and youtube. more news coming up here on msnbc! here o msnbc! this is the katie fang showed live from miami, florida. we have a lot of news to cover in a lot of questions to answer. let's get started. nationwide protests in the wake of the supreme court justice to overturn roe v. wade. politics are already seizing abortion services and a lot of states. texas state representative, david crockett, say how democrats plan to fight back. as americans grapple with a moment of profound transformation a warning for what is to come. justice clarence thomas goes after contraception and gay
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