thanks for watching the katie phang show this morning. i will be back tomorrow morning at 7 am eastern. maria teresa kumar is filling in for velshi coming up next. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good morning. it is saturday, a june 25th. i'm maria teresa kumar. i am in four ali velshi who is joining us next weekend. we begin this morning with a grim new reality for half the population of this country, who woke up with fewer rights today than they had yesterday. you heard that right. after months of speculation, the supreme court overturned roe versus wade. if his rating abortion rights nationwide and putting an end to reproductive freedom in united states. in a 5 to 4 ruling, the conservative majority throughout the landmark president that has granted constitutional protection for nearly 50 years. this marks a fundamental shift

in reproductive rights in america, despite the majority of americans supporting abortion rights with a combined 60% of americans saying that it should be legal always or most of the time according to an nbc most recent question poll. the population this country is not being told that their bodily autonomy is no longer being protected by the federal. government it is not a small thing. this is women and many trans men and nonbinary folks to, being told that they can now be subjected to force childbirth by the state. if you can get pregnant, you cannot be forced by the state to carry the pregnancy to term, or, let's say you want to become pregnant and you have a miscarriage, as many as 26% of all pregnancies and in miscarriage, according to the college of obstetricians missed. in the post roe world, world, they can be viewed as a crime. the supreme court is not doing anything this radical. they are simply returning to the question of its fortune

back to the states. let's look at the states are doing on abortion. now that roe has been overturned. 26 states are certain or likely to ban the procedure in the coming days and months. this is according to a recent institute. we -- 13 states already have trigger bans on the books. laws designed to automatically a ban abortion if it was overturned. this was yesterday. seven of those states, let me read them out loud, because it is hard to believe. missouri, south dakota, louisiana, kentucky, oklahoma, utah, and arkansas, have already activated these bands. the post pro world is here for millions of americans. we heard this from the white house yesterday. this is what he had to say. >> today, the supreme court of the united states expressway took away a right from the american people. it has already recognized.

they did not limit it, they took it away. this has never been done to a rights so important to so many americans. they did it. it is a sad day for the court and for the country. with this decision, the conservative majority of the supreme court to shows how extreme it is, how far removed from the majority of this country. they made the united states an outlier among developed nations of the world. with this decision, it will not be the final word. >> chief justice john roberts was the only conservative justice who disagreed with the court's decision. while he ruled in their favor of upholding the mississippi 15-week abortion ban, he did not over turn roe entirely. however, all three justices appointed by donald trump voted in favor of overturning roe and house speaker pelosi singled

him out in remarks. >> how about those justices coming before the sanders and saying that they respected the precedent of the court. they respected the right of privacy and the constitution of the united states. did you hear that? were they not telling the truth. >> joining me now is allie raffa who is outside the supreme court. ali, i was there yesterday. what struck me is how many protection and gated area there were near the supreme court. a few months ago you just walk up and protest. what are you seeing and what is the vibe there now? >> absolutely, maria. there's nine foot tall non-climbing fences serves as a front line of this battle over women's reproductive rights. we saw the fence go up after the leak draft opinion by the

supreme court a month or two months ago. it has been up ever since. the mood here, right now, compared to yesterday, is very somber, quiet. most people out here are members of the press, people walking their dogs, going on a dog. this is not what we expect to see later on. we expect to see more people than we saw come out here yesterday. as you mentioned at the top there, women in at least six states are waking up this morning with less rights than they had it days ago. it has not even been 24 hours since the supreme court dropped this decision to overturn roe. the sheer amount of reaction that we have seen is overwhelming. thousands of people, over 2000, a coming out here yesterday as soon as the decision was released and stayed out here until 11 pm. our own pete williams, who covered the supreme court for decades, says that it is the largest crowd he has ever seen outside the supreme court. let's take a listen to some of

the reactions from the people that we spoke to yesterday. >> i am planning to give birth tomorrow. i plan to bring this life into the world. that is my decision. if there was a doctor, a medical reason, or something that happened that would make it impossible, it needs to be options. there needs to be options for everyone. >> personally, i have had people in my family have abortions. they felt they regret years and years down the line. they are still dealing and facing with the trauma today. if roe v. wade was not legal inside of the united states, i would have a family members that i do not have today. >> over 100 lawmakers money marched from these front steps of the capital to the front steps here yesterday. many of them echoed this sentiment that any road to

change run through the ballot box. this is in the mid term november elections. it is a sentiment that we expect to hear more of as crowds gathered this morning. >> ali, i want to clarify. what i witnessed yesterday was a crowd that was peaceful, chanting, that were orderly and wanted to be able to express themselves. was that the experience you had as well? >> absolutely. several of my colleagues out here yesterday said that these were largely peaceful demonstrations. he heard it chanting, and both sides of this issue, people getting out here and in people's faces, know that physical violence like the events that we have seen take place overnight in arizona -- >> ali raphael, thank you for joining us from the supreme court. we will be back with you. joining me now is dahlia, a senior editor at covering a lot. she is a host of the podcast abacus. tell the, thank you for joining me. what is your take and expertise

on what happened yesterday? >> in some sense, maria, what happened yesterday was entirely predictable. it was predictable from a minute in september when the u.s. supreme court allowed the state of texas, the vigilante bill, that started to allow people to collect the bounties for any one who terminated pregnancy had a. week it was a nullification of roe v. wade. it was unconstitutional but the supreme court let it stand. it stood for months. we knew this was coming after we saw the dogs argument. then we saw this. then we saw the dobbs leak. then we saw this. i think that even knowing this was in plain sight, the fact that justice alito's opinion almost changed not on all from the leaked draft with historic errors, bits of cruelty, citation, which burners, all of

this state in. what it tells me is that he was not really interested in softening the vicious draft that we saw in may. the reality of how this is playing out on the ground, you are hearing about women who are taking -- thinking sterilization because they are afraid of getting pregnant. people have appointments to cancel. people who are afraid of ivf, this is playing out in tragic personal ways around the country. i am not sure the reality of that, on the ground suffering, has yet to penetrate our consciousness. >> something yesterday, the president said, in a really struck me, we have more draconian laws on the books than other developed countries that are equally in the governor's eyes. when i also found with striking is that, last year, we saw south american countries, heavily catholic countries like columbia and mexico, saying that abortion was the law of

the land. we have a supreme court justice that is very much tilted on catholicism saying that this is something that should not be done. as a catholic myself, i find it important. how do you reconcile this whole idea that we are seeing activists judge on the supreme court that is mandating how americans should live, based on their own religious beliefs? efit is not just a great questi, maria, but it is the question. it is fundamentally a theological issue that is matt a matter of personal conscience. there is so much in this discussion around a roe and casey that is inflected, as you say, by not just religious ideas but by the secretaries ideas. when the person begin a theological concept of insulin, this is not a secular idea. the court frames this as a

secular, non religious conversation. we cannot even have the conversation about why we are having the court imposing in many instances it the logical notion. there are other places around the country that have different beliefs. one interesting thing that came about recently, there is a synagogue and florida. they are actually going to challenge florida's abortion law. they say that it has nothing to do with our theological beliefs. you cannot impose them on us. i think you're quite right to say that part of the problem is that we are having a conversation that is about religion without calling it that. >> thank you so much for your insights. >> thank you. >> let's now bring in the president of neera, the national abortions right link. what are you doing right now? i know your organization has been proven prepping for this

moment, a sadly. what was your first emotion when youeard about it yestday. what are you doing now to address the issue? >> thank you, maria teresa, for that question. you know, a lot of us have been mobilizing around this since 2016, let's be honest. it became crystal clear after the oral arguments from last november when they heard the rhetoric from the extreme judges on the court. we have been planning. we are focusing on mobilization, our education, communicating with our membership, making sure our folks are ready for this moment and finding a way to catalyze the fear, anger, and frustration of american voters into action this fall. you asked me a question about my emotions. a lot of us do this professionally for a living. you still have to step back and realize that, i a person of color, immigrant, a brown woman,

from texas, where my friends and family have already lost access to abortion since the s v eight, i was left unchallenged by the court. it has been really hard. it has been really hard to hear these stories. i had to go with a bunch of friends from houston to hear it in realtime. i was hearing stories about abortion care being shut down midday, midmorning. it is devastating. i do not think we can understate the impact. >> you mentioned some of it. the new york times did a piece of how the women, a staffer, as we're having to actively talk to these women who were waiting in the waiting room. some drove from other states. they were saying this yesterday. they can no longer get it. there was a case of a woman who basically said she needed an abortion. her husband was in the car. her husband came in and said, what do you mean she cannot get

an abortion? this is not a settlement issue. it is a family issue. can you talk a little bit about that? >> this is such a great point. i'm glad you raised it. we see raising numbers of american med in our polling and our research. they are very concerned about this. eight out of ten americans and non binary people, believe that abortion should be protected by this court and by the constitution. we are seeing more and more voices of all ages standing up and firing back. i think it is a good issue around pale paid leave and -- we are at a time where there is no paid leave. we have limited access to care. we are going to have a cause for concern of all people of genders. we are really happy to see. we are fighting along with the rest of us. just very quickly, we have just

a couple of seconds. what can people do in their states now that they can't get medical treatment? can you talk a bit about what other options they have, medicine, that that sort of stuff? >> yes, so there is an incredible network, the national network of abortion funds, and they are an independent abortion providers. as well as our friends are pratt planned parenthood, who are setting up networks across the country, who have set up networks. there is a website, i need in a.com. you can find abortion funds, abortion finder dot org. and these are networks that are allowing folks to get the resources they need, to travel, for lodging, and for care. in the states that have expanded access, and are aggressively protecting access. places like new york, california, colorado, massachusetts, illinois. a growing list of states led by blue state democratic governors who are fighting, fighting back, and making sure we still have access where we can. it is obviously not enough. but it is a crisis response. and it is important that folks

know how to get there. >> we will make sure that we cut that up as a clip, and we will send it out to our networks as well. thank you so much for being in the fight, think of your strategy, and most of all thanks to your heart. after the break, we will talk about one of the most frightening parts of the abortion ruling. what's coming up next? this court will not stop after ending abortion rights, and one justice is letting us know whose personal freedoms he wants the court to erase next. plus, we are just moments away from president biden putting his signature on the first congressionally passed gun legislature in decades. he is expected to speak, we will bring that to life. and, an abortion ruling did not come as a surprise, given the legal opinion in the conservatives make about the court. but women may surprise you, is with the five current conservative conservative justices just voted to overturn 50 years of president said it about roe v. wade when they're being confront by their to their post by the u.s. senate. we'll be right back. >> do i have the say an opinion, a personal opinion on the

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overturn roe v. wade was crushing. if you think it ends there, you are mistaken. take the supreme court at its word. thomas argued in a concurring opinion saying quote, in future cases, we should consider all of this substantive a duke process decision as a positive this includes a griswold, lawrence, and over 12. any substantive due process decision is erroneous. we have a duty to declare -- these that he is talking, about the one that the court needs to correct errors on, those would

be access to birth control, gay, rights and sexual freedoms, and marriage equality. the court 7 to 2 decision in grizzled forces connecticut in 1965 found that married couples can buy and use contraceptives without the government getting involved in their family planning. in 2000, lawrence versus texas ruled that states cannot outlaw consensual gay sex. thanks to the courts 5 to 4 decision in over fell and hodges in 2015, same sex couples were afforded the right to get married in all 50 states. these are right that many of us never imagined that would be on the chopping block in 2022. like the right to an abortion, these freedoms are now at risk. joining me now is it marries a glare, she is a law professor at florida state university and the author of, dollars for life, the antiabortion movement and the fall of the republican establishment. you have been covering this for such a long time, mary. i want to get your response and reaction to yesterday's

decision. >> as someone who studied this in history as her career, you saw this coming, not just for the recently, but for years. it was not surprising. it is still hard to imagine. it is unprecedented in american history to have a liberty taken away in this way. i think i'm still digesting, like many of us are. >> what i found more telling was the roadmap that justice thomas decided to lay out before us. can you talk about this and how serious you see in reading the tea leaves? >> absolutely. some people emphasize that no one enjoying to justice thomas. he was alone in his concurrence. i think the point that he makes was well taken that the methodology that the majority lays out -- is one in which the only race that we are the ones that were recognized in the 19th century. as justice alito writes, a

portion was a crime then. same sex intimacy was a crime. contraception was a crime. interracial marriage was a crime as well as same sex marriage. the policy matters are going to say that abortion matters are different. there's no reason to believe that the court would stop with abortion, as much as there has been a disclaimer that the promising of what is going to happen. >> on, that you wrote a piece in the atlantic. as you say, a quote, if the decision signals anything bigger than its direct consequence, it is this, no one should get used to their rights. predicting which ones are for sure, anything will go and anything is possible. dogs versus jackson women's health organization is a stark reminder that this can happen. rights can vanish. this is terrifying to hear. what can americans do? now >> obviously, one of the things that we can do from a roe v. wade is that political motivations matter. the fact that this decision occurred is the effect of

decades of mobilization on these. right the civil courts respond to these movements. what we see before our eyes right now are peoples protests. politicians respond to social movements. there's been calculations that many politicians have been making for decades. only a narrow group of people here care about abortions. many americans want these rights to be legal but many don't care. voters can disprove this at the ballot box. people can mobilize to have this decision reverse in their state supreme court, the state legislators, and ultimately, it might be decades in the making, but ultimately in the supreme court as well. >> i wanted to ask you about justice roberts. he is the chief justice who begin to believe in incremental -ism. you wrote this is no longer this court. can you elaborate on this? he wanted to ensure and preserve this idea that the court is not political, that he was indifferent to political sides. but we are seeing right now is an activist court on the right

that is contradict contradicting his desires. can you speak to his power and where he live on this right now? >> he must proceed the preserve the power of the court. he wants to grow. he is proceeding slowly. the chief justice wanted to say essentially that the states can ban abortion earlier in the pregnancy. they can do it before liability but there is no need for the court to go into where the roe v. wade is harmful or not. there is no need to eliminator rights altogether. he had been floating this idea to his conservative colleagues. they had no interest in it. this is another instance of where we have seen several recently, the use of our emergency rulings to decide major issues in our culture and public health where the chief justice was, again, criticizing his conservative colleagues saying that they need to conserve their power and getting turned down. as much as we will say that this is robbers court this is

only a name and only a conservative court that then what roberts would like. -- >> we cannot let that trail off. it is challenging the court's legitimacy because we have activists on the conservative side overruling the chief justice, who himself, is a conservative. thank you so much for your insights. >> thanks for having me. >> in just a few moments, president biden is expected to sign into law the bipartisan safer communities act. it is the first federal gun legislation to make it passed the house and senate in decades. we will break down the bill and bringing biden's remarks after the break. this is velshi. we will be right back. l be right back.

in just a few moments, president biden is expected to sign the first major gun reform legislation in decades. biden will find the by partisan

safer communities act, before departing for germany was for meetings with g7 leaders. on friday, 14 house republicans across the aisle and join democrats in passing the most comprehensive and again violence law in decades. the bill passed through the senate with bipartisan support, on thursday. i want to bring in nbc news senior white house correspondent, kellyanne donald, who is in test austria for the presence job out. and ali vitali. thank you for joining, me i want to ask you, ali what you're hearing right now from the capital based on this historic signing? >> >> ali, can you hear me. i think we're having. technical >> high, i can hear you. now >> so we will replay, we are not on live tv don't worry about it. now i just wanted to see, what is the significance of this signing today, of this bipartisan legislation after decades in the making? >> look, this is the most significant legislation that we have seen on this issue in about 30 years.

that is the first thing the democrats or republicans alike will tell you. they will also tell you next to that this is not a package where both sides got everything they wanted. in fact, far from it. and it is because when you look at what is in it, you see conservative priorities, alongside democratic priorities. for example, it puts millions in funding towards mental health and school safety, but also incentivizes states to set up red flag laws, and other early intervention programs. as well as doing things like closing the boyfriend loophole, something that has been a priority for democrats for many many years now. and of course, this is also a moment where you have to look at exactly who is voting for this bill. for example, in the senate you look at how very few of these lawmakers, who voted for this legislation, are up again in cycle. and then of course, in the house, a notable list of republicans who voted for this including the lawmaker who represents uvalde republican tony get solace, as well as another republican lawmaker chris jacobs, who represents

the area near buffalo, where there was that other mass shooting, just a few weeks ago. and then one other republican there was notable to me is congresswoman liz cheney of wyoming, voting for this legislation. she is in a tough reelection battle herself, in wyoming, against trump backed candidate. so all these election politics really playing in here, as well. but of course, the house rollercoaster of emotions yesterday as i was standing in the halls of congress. because they pass this legislation just a few hours after many other democratic lawmakers marched to the supreme court after that roe decision was overturned. >> thank you alex, so kelly i want to bring you. and because you are right now in austria. i was in london just less than a week ago, and everybody was perplexed on our inability to actually have galatia. but now we have this, what is the feeling right now of individuals in europe when it comes to how we have such loose gun laws, and have you heard anything on this bipartisan support on your rent? >> well, honestly i can't think

speak to white europeans would say about that, because i am here to cover the president. so we have not been putting that question to folks here. but what is significant right now, is in many ways the timing of this. president biden would typically do a signing ceremony of a piece of legislation this significant with a large group of audience members, with some of the lawmakers who are part of making this happen. you heard kylie discussed how unusual it is to bring this to bear. i covered the hill for a number of years, and there were attempts back when sandy hook was the story, and those families who walked from office to office trying to get lawmakers to move, and they could not do it. this time there is modest but meaningful change, and this would typically be a big celebration. why is it happening this early on a saturday morning? because the president is getting on a plane coming here to europe for an international conference, and this needs to become law now. he cannot wait until he comes back. they want this enact it so that

the protections that are in here can begin to make a difference right away. those are in some ways modest seen just, but also the most significant changes we've seen in a generation. this president was in the senate when the assault weapons ban of the mid 90s wasn't acted, and that ultimately had a sunset clause causing it to expire. he has that history. he called on congress to act. at times when there wasn't really an expectation lot of ha small group on both sides, with support from mitch mcconnell given sort of a blessing to the group to work forward and a lot of blood sweat and tears from lawmakers. many of them, who have been out this for a very long time who are able to work through difficult issues. and then we saw change. change brought about by the reality of what we have seen in many communities, with gun violence, and the heartache

that comes with it. the lasting devastation. and now, there is at least a piece of legislation that begins to address some of these concerns. so doing this now is a chance for the president to make the law, in effect right away, the four he goes off to deal with issues here. we typically travel a bit ahead of the president, which is why i am already in austria. he will be arriving for the g7 later today. and then, it is even possible that the white house and the lawmakers involved will choose to have an event to the significance. it is also i think very notable that, after all the discussion you've been having about what the court did with roe v. wade, that at the same time, there is this other big issue in the country where there has been pain and upset and deep division. and there is some change, something that many americans have questions about, those who support gun rights. but many believe this is a step

in the right direction. so, there is a way to talk about how congress can function, as difficult as that can be, and government can work to address some of the needs of the public. sometimes it takes too long, sometimes that is everything people want, but today is a sign that that can impact happen. and so that is part of what we expect from the president, when he talks about this this morning. before he begins to talk about all the global issues, and try to keep coalition together here in europe, when it comes to ukraine. so a very big new series of events back at home before the president gets on a long flight to europe. maria tracey. >> so kelly, thank you for that insight. one of the things, so actually the president is coming in right now. kelly thank you so much. now, let's go to the white house where president joe biden is speaking about gun legislation. >> after that stretch striking this is shocking decision striking down roe v. wade.

a lot of discussion of that, because it. anyway. jill and i know how painful and devastating the decision is for so many americans, and i mean so many americans. a decision that is implemented by states, are ministration is going to focus on how they administer and whether or not they violate other laws. biden decided not to let to allow people to cross state lines to get to public health services. and we are going to take actions to protect women's rights and reproductive health. this morning though, i'm here, we are here and a critical issue. gun violence. and you know, i'm about to sign into law bipartisan gun safety legislation. and time is at the essence. lives will be saved, will return from europe jill and i will be hosting an event in the white house on july 11th to mark this is stork achievement. with members who voted for these families, and the family who in fact were victimized by the gun shootings that we have seen.

so, it is so incredible to see so much of it as of late. and advocates of worked really hard to do something about it. i have been at this work for a long time, and i know how hard it is, and i know it takes to get it done. i was there 30 years ago, the last time this nation passed meaningful gun safety laws. and i am here today for the most significant law to be passed since then, in the last 30 years. i would like to thank the leaders of members of the house, and senate for working together to get this done. i specially want to thank the families. and jill and i, many of whom we sat with four hours on end, across the country. so many we have gotten to know, who lost their souls to an epidemic of gun violence. they lost their child, husband, or wife. nothing is going to fill that void in their hearts, but they lead the way so other families will not have the experience of the pain and trauma that they had to live through. from columbine, to sandy hook,

to charleston, orlando, las vegas, park in, bill el paso, allana, buffalo, uvalde, and for the shootings that happen every day in the streets that are mass shootings that we don't even hear about. the number of people killed every day in the streets. their message to us was, do something. how many times did we hear that, just do something. for god sake, just do something. well today, we did. while this bill doesn't do everything i want, it does include actions i have long called for that are going to save lives. it funds crisis intervention, including red flag laws. it keeps guns out of the hands of people who are danger to themselves, and to others, and it finally close as what is known as the boyfriend loophole. so if you assaulted your boyfriend or girlfriend, you can't buy a gun or own a gun. it requires young people aged 18 to 21 to undergo enhanced background checks.

it includes the first-ever federal law that makes gun trafficking, and straw purchases, distinct federal crimes, for the first time. it clarifies who needs to register as a federally licensed gun dealer, and run background checks before selling a single weapon. you know, this is also provides historic funding to address youth mental health crisis in this country. especially, the trauma experienced by the survivors of this gun violence. look, you know, investing in anti balance programs that work, their work directly with the people are most likely to commit these crimes and become victims of gun crimes. today, we say more than enough. we say more than enough. it is time, when this it seems impossible to get anything done in washington, we are doing something consequential. we can reach compromise on guns, we ought to be able to reach compromise on other critical

issues for veterans health care, to cutting edge american innovation, and so much more. i know that there is much more work to be done, and i'm never going to give up, but this is a monumental day, god bless us with the strength to continue to work to get the work that is left undone done, and the lives lost can't be saved. obviously, they're gone, but it will be an inspiration message you more. i'm not going to sign this bill into law. >> this is going to save a lot

of. live thank you also very. much >> mister president will you take some questions? >> i have a helicopter -- that wants me to take off. we're gonna have a lot of time to talk about. this >> didn't disappear in court is broken in your opinion? >> i think the supreme court has made some terrible decisions. >> will you reconsider your pins on -- the court sir. what about term limits for justices? justices we just saw the president sign that significant legislation, and appeared in this question, he asked if the supreme court was broken. kelly o'donnell is back with me. kelly, what, you explain the reason that we didn't have the normal size crowd is because he is literally jumping out helicopter, as you heard him say, and he has handed over to europe to meet you. can you talk a little bit about the significance first of this legislation, but then also, one of the things that strikes me is that one of the things that the president promised on this campaign trail was bipartisan work.

and it does seem to be that he keeps adding more bipartisan legislation to his docket. >> in many ways, if the rotation had not come down yesterday, even if it were a week from now, there would be, and there is all the same, and it's difficult to satisfy many americans, at this period of time would've been focused on the accomplishment that many people see in this gun legislation. that the two parties worked together, and again, may not be everything that some advocates wanted, but it is tough first step in really a generation. and it does a lot of things that those who have been working on this issue believe can have a meaningful difference to prevent or stop some future violence. when you look at things like enhancing background checks for those younger potential shooters. we see so many of these instances where it is an 18 year old who had access to a legal weapon. now there will be additional background checks.

what we know that gun violence that results from intimate relationships, and so there is what is known as the boyfriend clubs. or there is new resources for mental health, so many of these incidents do you have a component of someone who is going through a personal mental health crisis, and a weapon as evolved. and all of those different components that will have funding behind them, will have support, we'll do something that may make a difference in someone's life. that could be something that washington would be touting, and that the two parties would talk about. the president does say he wants the parties to work together. and this is a case where you have 15 republican senators, and about the same number in the house, voting for legislation that is commonly being referred to as a gun safety measures. and that is really striking. not so surprising, the democrats are for this. they wanted this and more. but to have this kind of movement is significant. so if we weren't in kind of the

shadow of the earthquake that has taken place at the court, this would be getting a lot of attention, and it may continue to get attention down the line. so the president needed to make this law immediately, that is why there is at the fanfare. and now he continues on with the schedule coming to the group of seven nations conference, here in europe. maria teresa. >> thank, you kelly r. donald. enjoy your trip, and more importantly thank you so much for your analysis this morning. s >> i want to bring in texas and to senator roland guterres. he represents a city of uvalde, which as you know is the scene of one of the biggest mass shootings that triggered the solution. thank you so much for joining me today. >> thank you maria today. >> now senator guterres, i was on the ground with you during one of the memorial services that happened in uvalde. and i have to say, it was one of the most heart wrenching moments to see families coming together as they were burying their nine year olds. can you talk a little bit about

what this means on the heels of such tragedy for the families in uvalde, witnessing the president signed bipartisan legislation to address to some extent, the tragedy it happened in uvalde. as we all know, for folks tuning, and the person that carried out that deadly attack was 18 years old and he purchased the weapons on his birthday, and then went down to a school and killed 19 people, 19 children and two teachers. >> well, maria says, i can tell you what it means to the -- family, which was the funeral that you and i attended. we got to be great friends, and jackie's older daughter jasmine has not testified in the house of representatives asking for change. her father has become an extreme advocate in this space. as we expect anybody to do so. of course they are all still grieving, but they want to take up this mantle, because they don't want to have any other families ever have to go through what they are going through. there are many families that

are beginning advocacy and i am hoping that is an effort and how they deal with their -- . >> so senator, you are taking the department of public safety in texas to task because they are not disclosing, not only timelines, but they're holding records for people to have transparency in wet actually occurred in those tragic hours. can you talk a little bit about that lawsuit and why are doing so? >> well, maria teresa, the reason that we did this was that we found a request wasn't responded to. we have asked for logistical information as to where gps was, we do know how many officers we were there. it wasn't until last tuesday in cross-examination that i -- in a committee hearing, i was able to ascertain that there are 91 gps troopers onsite, to 12 of which were in that hallway not staying very long in the hallway. my concern with all of this was that there has been this very quick rush to judgment on

looking at the local school calk, whom i don't know. but i would think that someone with any kind of sense of judgment would be able to say that, the responsibility he needs to be spread by every law enforcement agency was there. there were system, areas communication, or human errors, human frailty. i get all of that, but i don't get its ally's. >> and speaking of the hypocrisy that we oftentimes see from leadership up in texas, one of the things that i saw was that you were, you took to twitter to take greg abbott, the current governor there of texas to task for his response to the gun legislation. can you speak to what that disconnect was and why he did so? >> i think, you know yesterday as the supreme court decision, he patted himsel back for all of his work on the abortion issue. and at the end of the day, if use really feels this way about human life, he would have done something more on this issue rather than set off five

massacres and absolutely do nothing. between 1910 and 1920 there was a history in texas kalama tensas, which is really a period when latinos were killed in texas by law enforcement, oddly enough. but we are experiencing today in a republican party that does nothing, and i know that this is a stretch, but it is real. when you do nothing, we are experiencing that again. because our latino children are dying, in schools there dying, at the walmart there dying, in church. we have got to be able to stop this madness that is happening in our state. >> democratic state senator, roland guterres, one of the things that i appreciate about chatting with you is that you speak it. straight thank you for joining. we >> there's been a lot of news coming out of washington over the last 24 hours, but one story that should not be lost as a shove on the ongoing threat to democracy labor by the january six committee. on thursday, committee managers put a spotlight on the former

presidents attempts to course the justice department into validating his lies about the 2020 election. for the record, he lost. witnesses revealed how hit trump continually brow beat doj officials and fixated on merit-less accusations of voter fraud, even though investigators found no evidence to support his claims. former acting deputy attorney general, richard donahue, said at one point trump told him to simply spread his big lie about the election and that he, the president, would handle the rest. >> the president said, just say the election was corrupt, and leave the rest to me on the republican congressman. so, mr. donahue, that is a direct quote from president trump correct? >> that is an exact quote from the president, yes. >> the hearings honed in on the role of the ex presidents top crony, jeffrey clark. you will remember that clark was a justice department environmental official who met the president considered promoting to acting attorney general in the final weeks of the storm. to replace jeffrey rosen, who

had refused to legitimize trump's election fraud and big lie. during this week's election hearing, doj officials described internet detail detail that's a real meeting in the white house three days before january six, where they told trump that if he installed his loyalist jeffrey clark as acting ag, they would all resigned in mass. >> i said mister president, we will resign immediately. i'm not working one minute for this guy. who i had just declared was completely incompetent. and so, the president immediately turned to mr. angles and he said, steve young wouldn't resign would you? and he said, absolutely i would mister president usually we know. choice and then i said, and we are not the only ones. no one cares we resign. it's even let go, that's fine. it doesn't matter, but i'm telling you what's gonna happen, you're gonna lose your partner you entire department leadership. every single able walk out of here, your entire department leadership will walk out within hours. and i don't know what happens after that, i don't with the

united states attorneys are gonna do. >> joining me now are katie benner, and matthew miller. katie's the justice department reportedly new york times, an msnbc contributor, and matt is a former chief spokesperson for the department of justice. katie, i want to come to you. i think that one of the things that was so striking as i watch the developments of this hearing, was how many times every single individual the testified from the department of justice kept stressing how the president was trying to grab them to commit fraud, to do an illegal activity. and how every single time the president got increasingly more agitated, for president trump, when they weren't doing his bidding. can you talk a little bit about that reaction, because i just found it so stark and interesting. >> sure, i mean it seems clear from the testimony that the former president understood that the justice department had a great deal of power in this matter. that it still had legitimacy, and the justice department led credence to his lie that he won the election, it would do a lot

to up and the results. and he was right in that assessment. the justice department officials knew that, which is why they pushback so heart. they felt that it was necessary to not only investigate his claims of fraud, but to investigate them so they could explain why they were not true. but the most striking thing, any play this in the original clip, is that at some point we see trump really, and he very rarely did this, this might be the first time we've really seen it in this hearing -- we see him deviate from this line that he truly believes that he won the election, and that that matters. when he concedes that, whether or not he won, that is not this point. he wants the officials to simply say there was fraud, because he can use that rhetoric to his advantage politically, and then to perhaps and you the results of the election. that is extremely striking, as it goes to the state of mind. >> so one of the things, matt since you are part of the department of justice, one of the things that you said is that this is the worst assault on our sister's departments independence in history.

worse than watergate even, can you speak a little bit about? that >> yeah, so if you look at the crimes during watergate, as bad as they were, the presidents interference with the justice department to fire special prosecutor. but he actually didn't reject the replacement of that prosecutor with another one. a gross interference with the justice department, at that time the worst interference in the justice department history. and i think what we saw here was worse. and i think that the way that the president was trying to get anyone of the justice department, casting about for anyone, the deputy attorney general, the acting attorney general, looking to replace them with a more junior official, to do anything. to hold a press conference to declare prop fraud, to file a brief the supreme court, he was casting about, as katie said, to find someone at the justice department castle is illegitimate claims of election fraud. and i think what came out in this hearing is that, had he pursued his plan, had to replace the acting attorney general with jeff clark, you would've seen a worse a re

serious upheaval of the justice department and what we saw during watergate. you would have just seen two officials resigned, you would've seen it dozens of officials. as jeffrey rosen, and richard donahue said, you would've seen the entire department leadership to washington resign. probably dozens of u.s. attorneys, maybe hundreds and hundreds of career officials across the department. so, the officials at the justice department both political and career, i think you saw reacting very strongly to the presidents scheme. and ultimately, thwarting. it is >> now something that i found striking is that, at the same time we are watching these hearings, we actually heard the jeffrey clark house was being raided by federal investigators. and i wonder if he is going to be the smoking gun? i wonder if he is going to be the one that we should focus on, when the investigation comes to fruition from the doj because he might spill the beans. katie benner, and matt miller, thank you both for joining me this morning. >> thank you. >> do not go anywhere, straight ahead i will be joined by nancy northam, president for the

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welcome, back into saturday june 25th i am maria teresa kumar filling in valley belt. she ali will be back next weekend, but stay with me this hour. we begin this hour with a new landscape. a post-roe reality that is quickly taking shape after the trump stacked supreme court delivered its long expected opinion overturning roe v. wade yesterday. taking with nearly 50 years of federal protections for reproductive choice, and the bodily autonomy of millions of americans. ineffective for ruling, the court's conservative majority throughout the landmark precedent that has granted

constitutional protections for abortion for nearly five decades. this marks a fundamental shift in reproductive rights in america, despite a majority of americans supporting abortion rights. the court majority yesterday sided with a thin sliver of americans. the cofounder of scotus block amy how, noted when i spoke with you yesterday, just after the ruling, the mood of the court was different. >> at the end of the dissenting opinions today, one of the common courtesy is that the justice or similarities in their defense is to use that phrase, i respectfully dissent. and here, they did not use that phrase. they said with sorrow, we dissent. so >> with sorrow. this dissent comes with sorrow, the cause these dissenting justices know it a massive loss of liberty this is for american women's. and let's be clear, not just women. this will affect many transmission, and non-binary folks as well. anyone who can get pregnant, can now be subjected by their

state governments into forced childbirth. you heard that right. here is how justice even buyer races in his dissent, quote, whatever the exact scope of the coming laws, one result of today's decision is certain. the containment of women's rights, and up their status as free and equal citizens. yesterday, the constitution guaranteed that women confronted with an unplanned pregnancy could, within reasonable limits, make her own decision about whether to bear a child, with all the life transforming consequences that that act involves. and in the city of guarding each woman's reproductive freedom, the constitution also protected the ability of women to participate equally in this nation's economic and social life. but no longer. as of today, this court holds a state that can any woman can be forced to give birth, prohibiting even the earliest abortions. a state can force a woman to give birth, and make no