comes back into play. what i see is human life in front of me, and that is what is important. >> that was msnbc means yasmin vossoughian reporting. we still have a town to cover in the second hour of a man, focused on the big stories of the week. the supreme court's decision on abortion, the whiplash on gun control between congress and the court, and the bombshell revelations of the latest january six hearing. i am michael steele in for ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. almost me left this room court overturn roe v. wade this country was effectively split into three separate americas. with three very different futures. hair is the landscape as we come on the air. since biden's decision at least eight states have enacted

so-called, trigger laws. and the next 30 days or so sick states would similar laws on the books are likely to join them. and within the coming weeks and months, six more states are expected to issue new bans on all or most abortions. meanwhile, abortion will remain legal and protected in 20 other states and washington d.c.. that means abortion access is pretty much decided in 40 states. that leaves us with ten states. shown in the gray on this map. they represent tens of millions of americans literally living in a gray area. in those states access to a safe and legal abortion will likely hang in the balance based on a few external factors like which political party gains control in the midterm elections. that is the case in michigan. which is not a law that criminalized abortion back in 1931. that law was superseded by roe in 1973. now michigan's governor,

gretchen whitmer, has promised to quote fight like hell to prevent it from going back into place. here she is speaking exclusively with msnbc's, dasha burns. >> so considering this moment. the supreme court decision and the fact that you are not going to be governor forever. so how vulnerable are abortion rights in michigan right now and two, three, four election cycles from now? >> it is a very precarious moment. i was raised by protests republican. we had a pro-choice republican is a part of our conversation. and yet the republican leadership in our legislator is trying to intervene in my lawsuit. on behalf of a law that is 91 years old. that makes it a felony. no objection for rape, no exception for incest. that is the state of politics in michigan at this moment. >> that state politics, that state of uncertainty, and fair for many, is already taking a

toll. >> i was 18 when roe v. wade went into effect. and it was like, it was a gift. i felt like my government understood that i was a human being that could make up my own mind. how did they have the right to tell me or any woman what she can do with her body? >> let's bring in my panel, that's been a state republican mountain can out of here is a democrat who serves philadelphia counted. narrow jones, the founder of trans lash media. and caitlin burns, is a writer for medium and msnbc columnist. welcome to all of you. take when michigan's ban is from 1931. in some states centuries old laws could now dictate where abortion is legal or where it isn't illegal. how do you react to that? >> i think it's ridiculous that

women and trans people can get pregnant in this country have different rights depending on where they happened to be at a given time. and this is really one of the things that there should be uniformity throughout the land and people should have the right to privacy and to make those decisions between themselves and their doctors. >> representative can out. today is one of the states where abortion care is on the ballot, in this coming election. when you hear from voters out there? how are they responding to what is happening in washington with the court and how is that playing out for pennsylvanians? >> you know, majority of pennsylvanians are like me. furious. in part because you watch the justices lie before congress. by before the american people. and almost all of them saying that they believe that rope was said along. but these are lying liars who live. we can't trust these jobs with

our basic human rights. we can't trust them to uphold the constitution. and so we are various. the question is, what are we going to do now? and for me i'm going to be gone all around pennsylvania, just as i was when i was a candidate for the u.s. senate. talking about our values, talking about what it is going to take to flip this state and terms of the senate race. make sure john fetterman once. make sure josh perot becomes our next governor. but i will make that point. yes attorney general shapiro, teacher governor shapiro, will be able to veto that pieces of legislation. but here in pennsylvania, it is only the legislature that is a part of determining constitutional amendments. and so the legislator can vote to put a question before voters of whether or not we will ban abortion in our constitution. and the governor would not be able to do anything about that. so we have a chance, for the first time in 30 years, to flip pennsylvania state house and i hope that everybody who cares about protecting abortion

access in pennsylvania is in for john, and if josh, we also need to put the state house. >> so a follow-up on that. because that is an interesting point. is there that kind implemented to do that the? to put the legislator on this issue given how people are feeling about the economy and the hesitancy around her economic future. what is going to be the driver here to get that piece done? >> here is the thing, michael. abortion access is about economic justice and fairness. because we heard these people say over and over again how pro-life they are. they don't care about life. if they were so pro-life than they would be with us right now with house democrats who are pushing to have universal pre-k. they would be standing with us to make sure there is paid leave. they would be fighting with us to make sure we expand the work that needs to be done to make sure kids are not murdered in their classrooms. so they would give a damn about any of those things and we have

a real opportunity to flip the seats and a folks follow me on twitter there would see me talk about these races out campaigning i've already been doing events for these tough swing districts. we have a chance to win and i think is going to one of those cases were the republican members are really want to be sorry that this was decided in the way that it was. so people are awake and they're worried and they're going to go out and vote about it. >> other makes races very interesting point that i know a number of us in the public community have really tried to stress and push. that is that you just can't make one piece of this work. you've got to have a complete package of efforts. and huffpost took a look at some of the states that have already restricting abortion. or are set to do so in the next couple of weeks. they found that very few of them offer the kinds of support that malcolm was referring to. once that child was born,

including family leave, universal pre-k, tax credits, and the helping families. medical assistance. other types of assistance. it is not just about, okay we don't want abortion, it is also about how do you care for that child. what do you make of where that leads us and the overall conversation? >> well the reason why is not a coherent system of thought or even a coherent set of policies. is because it is not about what they say. it is about, fundamentally, the entire issue. a bodily autonomy, right now. it is very much tied into the christian nationalists vision of america. we know that it 1972, even among southern baptist, the issue of abortion was not controversial. it was not controversial at all. it became controversial in the wake of demographic changes in our country. other types of changes that people thought were at a point. and though the forces that were

opposed to these are getting america, that were opposed to in america in which they are preserving the rights and values, and to the growing power of lgbtq people. all united behind this particular issue has the family acts as the tip of the spear in a christian nationalists vision. so it is incoherent. it is not about what they say the supposedly about. because of it where we would have a radically different america. where the choice of fourth wouldn't be so stark for people. and we would have all sorts of circumstances that are just human. but you don't. this is it about what did they say it is about. it is about a political agenda that is radical at its core and it has had success in a way that i think is stunning people and has ripped the curtain and allow people to see it for what it is. >> caitlin. before the decision from the

court came through. a local official in some both cities with the democrat states made it clear that they wouldn't help enforce abortion bans. one district attorney in louisiana said he, quote, will not have priority from tackling shootings, rapes, and carjackings to make investigating the choices of women -- how do things have like this is going to play out as this narrative continues to unfold across the country and community after community? and law enforcement in our judiciary's are going to put into this little vice grip about this issue? >> i think if you look around at the protesters are currently happening this weekend against the ruling. you see, very clearly, who is the force pushing back against those protest. those are the police. i think it makes for very interesting contrast, at least imagery was, as we go through all of this. but there is precedent in this

country for executive office to just ignore the supreme court. abraham lincoln ignored the court when he emancipated the slaves. there are countless instances where the executives like fdr came out and said we don't really care what you just wrote. we are going to do it ourselves. so those local officials who say they're not going to prosecute people for having an abortion i think should be applauded. i also think the republicans will do everything that they can to make sure that those people can't get away with that. >> so, malcolm, there is still the outlying issues that were hinted at by justice clarence thomas when he suggested that the court should reconsider rights like birth control and same sex marriage in the future. and in future decisions. what do you think this goes next? is that something we should be

taking seriously or at least putting into calculation as we are looking as dealing with the aftermath of roe? >> we should certainly take it serious. there is clearly no floor too low for these folks to go. clarence thomas is a christian who i take at his word. he wants to not stop here. and as when my final panel just said, this is about a radical white wing christian nationalists version of america that is at odds, actually, with our constitution. at odds with decades mock jurisprudence. at odds with the nation but we should try to do. i just married my husband earlier this year. and like so many couples as soon as we saw roe come down and we saw the concurrent opinion from justice thomas we called our lawyer. to say what do we need to do to protect ourselves in the event that --

is overruled? what do we need to do to protect ourselves, protect our families, and this is where so many people are alarmed right now. the health of a nation can also be judged by how people in the denver, lives and how you shoot people in the shadows of our society. in this supreme court has made it clear that they are not in it for what my christian tradition teaches me about helping the informed. about helping the sick and the needy. they are actually out to get those people. and the supreme court, right now, is one of the biggest threats to the health and safety of our constitution. it is why i have said, over and over and over, not only do we need to expand the supreme court. we need to look at corporate form. how is justice thomas able to rule on anything when his wife was a part of the january 6th insurrection? it is unfathomable. >> so monitoring action to a tweet sent out by a texas senator, john cornyn. from texas earlier today.

he responded to a tweet from barack obama, president obama, that denounced the roe v. wade decision. writing, quote, now to bless the presses ferguson and brown forces board of education. that's six hours out he added, quote, thank go to some scotus presidents are overruled. what is your take of that? where do you think he meant? that will now be overruling brown versus board of education? >> his when they say the quiet part out loud. like i said. this is about finally ripping the curtain open so that we can actually see what is at work here. there is a radical vision at the heart of the anti abortion so-called pro-life movement. that radical vision is about instituting a certain hierarchy in america that has a very clear dividing lines. because that hierarchy makes

certain people feel better and in maintains their superiority. we know that john cornyn has been a part of that process throughout his political career. and we know that from what justice thomas has said that there is no right in america, right now. that is out of reach or out of bounds for them to overturn for them if they believe they have the votes and benefits with the radical vision for america. we cannot underestimate the seriousness of this moment. and john cornyn just said the quiet part out loud. he is saying what is said often at voter summits, and in the halls of the family research council. and in the heritage foundation. when the cameras are turned off. >> panel stick around, we will see later in the hour. still ahead, how the supreme court's decision on bro will

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hours on average to receive care. but for many traveling it's just not an option. that is the case for the almost 60,000 pregnant women who are estimated to enter our prison system each year. now, activists fear the supreme court decision could bring new challenges to an already vulnerable population. joining me to discuss is deanna hoskins, the president of just a leadership usa, a criminal justice reform act the cassie group. welcome to you. why do you believe this decision could have a dangerous impact on women behind bars? >> we know once the decision -- thank you for having me -- we know once the decision was struck down, persons are going to follow that law. if you talk about the 12 states that already have the ban in effect, prisons are not going to transport a woman across state lines. she has the pay for it herself. when we talk about marginalize and oppress communities that are being incarcerated, it will

not be an option. when we talk about the number of women in prison, possibly with opiate addiction issues, possibly a victim of sexual assault, those women will be forced to actually carry and have those babies, if there is no threat to the women's life. and those incarcerated, it will almost be impossible to even make that choice, even if they have the funds to pay for. it will just not happen. >> if you can clarify for me a little bit more, where do we currently do, prior to this decision? how does this play out for women who are in that situation currently? you mentioned that they have to pay for this themselves, they still may be in a state with some form of restrictions, what are we currently doing versus as you just laid out, will likely be the case in a post-roe world? >> prior to this roe v. wade

being struck down, the woman had to pay for the abortion. her family had to come up with funds. if the person had to transport her to the facility, the family had to pay for that cost as well. but in most cases, even to make that decision when you are incarcerated, some kind of court document to get the president to take a woman across. this was not a simple make a decision if this is what you want to have, i had the funds. it was literally gone through the legal channels to make sure that the person fault through their constitutional right. now, that wright is taken away, so the option will not be there for women. >> on the point, the data shows that at least seven states with so-called trigger laws have some of the nation's highest rates of female incarceration. has your organization learned of any increase in resources, whether that be cared during or after pregnancy in those states? and if women are unable to get abortion, or do they do now?

where are you finding already from the work you are doing? >> one of the things that we are starting to realize is that, again, when we talk about being a victim of sexual assault, especially with a high opiate use of women being arrested from the community off the streets, women are going to be forced to have to carry these babies, care for these kids, actually turn the kid over to a family member, if she has to serve a significant amount of time or or have a family member willing to take the baby. or the baby will be turned over to the state system, and the system will have to pay for for adoption and different things of that nature. the biggest thing about this, michael, for women is the mental anguish of that decision, especially if i am a victim of sexual assault prior to my arrest. the fact that i have to carry the person that assaulted me's child, and then i had to actually carry for the child, or have my family care for that child, that decision was taken

away from me. women are not going to be able to make that decision anymore. it is actually going to be a bigger strain on the system. again, where are the resources that we are trying to give to women in the situations? look, we are a country right now that is having a formula shortage. we are talking about people not having kids unless they can take care of them. this is a decision that i feel i cannot take care of this child, you just took that decision away for me, to make that choice as to how i can be a productive parent to this child, and what we see would an increase in substance abuse, mental illness, homelessness, that a lot of children are falling victim and pray to the unfortunate situation other parents. i feel like we are putting children in a situation that they are actually victims of. >> deanna hoskins, well, thank you very much, really appreciate that. >> thank you. >> still ahead, new details on trump's efforts to pressure his

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get prosecuted because we were defensive of the president's positions on these things. a pardon that he was discussing, requesting was as broad as you can describe, from the beginning of time up until today, for any and all thanks. he had mentioned nixon, and i said nixon's pardon was never nearly that broad. >> and are you aware about any members of congress seeking pardons? >> mr. gaetz, mr. brooks, i know both advocated for a blanket pardon for members at that meeting and a handful of other members who are not at the december 21st meeting, as the preemptive pardons. mr. gaetz was personally pushing for a pardon, and he was doing so since early december.

i'm not sure why. mr. gaetz had reach out to me to ask if he could have a meeting with the president about receiving a pardon. >> did they reach out to you? >> not all of them but several did. >> you mention mr. gaetz, mr. brooks -- >> mr. big slip. mr. jordan talked about congressional pardons, but he never asked me for one. it was more for an update on whether the white house was going to party members of congress. mr. gohmert asked for one as well. mr. perry asked for a pardon to, i'm sorry. >> it may ask you directly? >> yes, he did. >> the representative marjorie taylor greene contact you? >> no, she did not. i heard that she asked for a pardon from mr. philbin, but i

did not frequently communicate with miss greene. >> are you aware of any conversations or communications regarding the possibility of giving congressman matt gaetz a pardon? >> i know he had asked for it, but i don't know if he ever received one or what happened with it. >> how do you know that congressman gaetz asked for a pardon? >> he told me. >> tell us about that. >> he told me he'd ask meadows for a pardon. >> were you involved in or did you witness any conversations about the possibility of a blanket pardon for everyone involved in january six? >> i had heard that mentioned, yeah. >> do you know whether the president had any conversations about potentially pardoning any family members? >> i know he had hinted at a blanket pardon for the generous exchange for anybody, but i think he had for all the staff and everyone involved.

not for generous six but before he left office, i know he had talked about the. >> the only reason i know to ask for a pardon is because you think you have committed a crime, thank you, mister chairman, i yield back. >> our panel will react to that and more from the fifth hearing after the break. ter the break. but, at upwork, we found her. she's in prague between the ideal cup of coffee and a truly impressive synthesizer collection. and you can find her right now (lepsi?) on upwork.com (lepsi.) when the world is your workforce, finding the perfect project manager, designer, developer, or whomever you may need... tends to fall right into place. find top-rated talent who can start today on upwork.com

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gender six committee the panel homed in on two key areas. the trump pressure campaign and the justice department and pardons, lots and lots of pardons. my panel is back with me. omar, let's start with the pardons. some of the lighter side of this news if you will. what did you make the fact we had matt gates and marjorie taylor greene and company apparently desperate for pardons. >> i mean, for me, the fact that it was not just one, not just to, but up to six members of congress. congress, not white house staff, not members of the dispersed legal effort that they cobble together across the country. but members of congress who were asking for pardons. to me underscores the fact that this was conspiracy. it underscores that there were people who were looted on this.

they had a sense of what they were doing. and was mind-blowing is the fact that it was members of congress. people who swore in to protect the constitution. people who because they've run for office, as you know michael, who are at the core our patriotic. who are at the same time trying to undermine the government that they've sworn to. and the fact that it is an entire group of them. it is mind-blowing. >> so caitlin, i will get your take on that as well. because do you think we are going to learn more names here? do you think there are some others out there who are going to be feeling this as well and asking for pardons. >> i would be surprised if we find out more names. but what do you ask a pardon for? if you know you didn't do anything wrong the first place. that's what i would start with all of this. it is pretty clear that they knew they were doing some shady things behind the scenes here.

and i think everybody should be thankful that ultimately they didn't succeed. although certainly them and they're very violent supporters on january 6th very much try to succeed. but yeah, would you ask a pardon for if you did nothing wrong? >> the pardon thing is a dead giveaway. it just is because it stands out so starkly. so representative kenyatta i want to turn to the alleged pressure campaign itself. that trump and others levied against the doj. while they were trying to overturn the 2020 election? what was your reaction to that? this past week. in hearing precisely how this was laid out. >> pennsylvania, we were in the thick of it. and i spent a lot time of this network and others. i'm the democratic chair for the campaign finance elections. in the same government committee they were trying all different types of things to

effectuate but the president was asking for in tweeting out. they tried to pass a so-called election integrity committee which raised rachel and others and really blew the lid off of. which would allow them to subpoena ballots and pound voting machines and stop to tabulation of votes here in pennsylvania. which was a key paragraph state. it always is. scott perry is one of the worst members of congress and always hurts my heart to see pennsylvania next to its name. he is a disgrace to the commonwealth of pennsylvania. all six of them should be arrested in my view. this was clearly a criminal conspiracy and this criminal cabal must not be allowed to get in the majority and the house. i'm one of those folks who do not buy that idea the democrats will just lose the house. we must win the house. not only to deal with the very

real economic concerns that americans have and push through the big ideas that we do those things. but also for the future of the -- we cannot allow these people to be in charge in 2024 when it comes around. >> following up on that point of our -- but this is pressure campaign say to you about the possibility of a country turning power back over to republicans? what that may mean? what do groups and activists citizens out there to leading up to that? does this narrative help energize folks to recognize exactly what is happening? >> one of the most interesting things i think that has happened is what i've been hearing from certain republicans. which is the fact that these republicans are testifying against republicans. it has swayed somewhere between

ten and 20% of republicans to think differently about this episode. as you know, a lot of these marginal races. where democrats run at hole power in the seats. you don't actually have these many people to switch out a congressional base before a district to swing one way or another. so i do think that there is going to be impact from these hearings on the people who are going to show up to vote. particularly in these marginal seats. where this could make a difference. and particularly as the roll call of people who supported the president in this gross monger. those congress people are going to have to answer for this to their own constituents. so, you know, i regret the percentage of canada. i don't take conventional wisdom is that the house is gone. if we were initially about be the case. or not a conventional year. and what's has conventional wisdom been right politically about anything in the past four

years? so i think this is going to have a different impact that people think. it doesn't have to be that many people for it to switch. we know that national elections hair can turn on 100,000 votes. >> our panel stick around we can have more on that. and i happen to agree with you. still ahead, where does the national conversation on gun control go from here? you're pretty particular about keeping a healthy body. what goes on it. usually. and in it. mostly. here to meet those high standards is the walgreens health and wellness brand. over 2000 high quality products. rigorously tested by us. real world tested by you. and delivered to your door in as little as one hour.

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can think of to describe gun safety this week. on the one hand, you have congress passing and president biden signing the most significant gun legislation in decades, but on the other hand, you had the supreme court struck down a new york on law that restricted the ability to carry a concealed weapon, and could have far greater ramifications on the states abilities to manage gun access. so where does that leave us? my saturday panel is back with me. caitlin, even after you had this great motion towards bipartisanship, and you had people coming over the rafters to vote for. only 14 republicans voted for the bill in the house, so why does this still feel like no

matter how much retail bipartisanship and the support for those things that we want to be bipartisan on, republicans are like, okay, we will get back to you on that? >> yeah, this is an issue that republicans have not come around on in my lifetime. i grew up in upstate new york, in a hunting family. my dad was a member of the nra. i am very familiar with gun culture in rural america and really grew up in it. but there is not a lot of leeway with republicans. they really feel like gun control laws and their fundamental way of life in a way that i think is very difficult for democrats to message against. i would say that the fact that 14 republican members of the house voted for the bill is actually a win on this particular issue. we don't have very many wins in

the national legislator anymore. >> true that, true that. representative, you have critics out there who are saying that this bill does not go far enough, at least in terms of what they want, right? they want something more, they want something better, but is there something better out there, and how do you get there without giving away talking points going into the midterms? >> you know, i am a big football fan. one of the things you have to do is consolidate your games. senator murphy deserves so much praise for the work that he put into this and getting some things in this bill that are really good. make no mistake, this bill is literally the bare minimum of what needs to be done. i am excited to see the provisions around purchasing. i have a bill around storm guns here in pennsylvania legislator along with representative

sanchez from my governor county. there is so much more that needs to be done. we will be pushing at the state level, but honestly, if guns were ovaries, republicans would be going out of their way to protect abortion rights and everything else. [laughs] instead, you see these folks doing the bare minimum. mitch pocono said, again, the quiet part out loud. the reason that he voted for this bill and a number of his members voted for because they are losing votes in suburban counties all across the commonwealth. i don't think people in the suburbs of philadelphia are going to be fooled. they know who will actually stand up for them. you have ryan fitzpatrick for example vote for this bill. we know that on all the issues that matter, brian fitzpatrick is nowhere to be seen, and he has a fighter pilot running against him that will be in, and it will be incredible on this in so many other issues.

chris murphy, hats off to you, but a lot of work to you. >> if guns were ovaries, we will let that rest on its own there. let's talk about the timing of both the scotus ruling and the legislation signed into law, are these two effectively canceling each other out, one step forward, once a back? >> they definitely undermine each other. we know that the scotus ruling will have a bigger impact because in a lot of states, such as this day i live in right now, new york, there is real concern here on the part of the governor and merit that this will lead to a explosion of gun violence, if it is implemented as broadly as it could be. as we have discussed, this is a marginal measure. this is not a sweeping measure, so, not only did the court expand gun rights, but they

leave opened the door for an even greater expansion. we could be in this odd place where even if there is somehow progress on this in the congress, which seems unlikely -- imagine a world where that is possible, we had the supreme court which is willing to undermine any of those gains and expand the rights beyond what we recognize even, au. i think that what we are seeing here is that the supreme court, which clearly has political agenda and it was politically crafted, especially throughout the last administration is a real threat and danger to so many rights and to safety and security and a lot of places. >> representative qiana, a mira raises a good point about the reaction concern by the mayor of new york, governor and others have in the state about the explosion of gun related

violence. how bad is this ruling given that it only applied to seven states? maryland, my state was one of the states that are proud to. 43 other states already have in place a less restrictive concealed carried requirements. how does this ruling affect them? how bad is it really at the end of the day? >> i think this ruling is a tragedy. we are in a place right now in pennsylvania where we have been pushing discharge petition to force a bill of committee on so many of the issues that we know would actually make communities safe there, expanded background checks, having a process by which, like i mentioned before, if they lose a gun or have it stolen, they have to report that. over and over again, we see a republican majority, at least

in pennsylvania, that will really be emboldened by this decision. i have no doubt on monday that we will see abortion ban bills, that we will see bills even expanding the right for people to have permit-less carry's. they actually got it and replace the bill from governor -- data build ban assault rifles and gutted it. we know that makes communities less safe. for somebody that is in north philadelphia to pier in my district, the gun violence that we are seeing is not hypothetical to me, it is not philosophical, by the time i get off with you, michael, i could have another shooting in my neighborhood. it is why i will keep banging this trump. this election in november is essential. that is why i would be doing everything, john fetterman our next senator -- i hope folks that are paying attention, do not ignore the

pennsylvanian house because, again, we have this reared constitutional amendment process here in pennsylvania. josh winning is not enough, it is just not enough. >> malcolm, mara and caitlin burns, thank you so much for your insights tonight, it is fabricated. and thank you for making time for us this evening. come back tomorrow night at 8 pm eastern on msnbc. i will be joined by representative caroline maloney and peter wells. we will discuss the latest development on the supreme court abortion ruling and the justice department investigation into republican efforts to overturn the 2020 election. until we meet again, i am michael steele in for my friend ayman mary gay scanlon mohyeldin, goodnight. mohyeldin, goodnight ome, work. it syncs with your favorite vc apps so you'll never miss a meeting. and neither will she. meta portal, make working from home work for you. a monster was attacking but the team remained calm. because with miro, they could problem solve together,

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