hey everybody, good to see you again. good afternoon. i'm yasmin vossoughian, coming to you live from outside the supreme court. protesters continuing to gather with the weekend full of -- passion weekend, to the decision to this and to over turn roe v. wade. i talked a woman her daughter-in-law fiancée. gotta play the conversation for you. >> we brought you are here yet today, joanne? >> complete and utter disappointment in scotus's decision. it's a step backwards. and what a shame. i never thought i would see the day where my granddaughter has less rights than my daughter

and i do. it's insane. >> you knew what life was like, i assume, before. oh >> i did. >> do you feel like that's where we're headed once again? >> i'm deathly afraid that's where we're headed. and that's why had to come out here and put my voice against it. and hope that lots of other people will join us. and supreme court will hear. as >> what concern do you have for the future for your children in a world without row? >> just everything. i'm sorry. >> your fine. >> i feel like this could be a turning point. this is so, so very important to me personally. there are so many more issues that i feel, this is just a floodgate. and i am terrified for them. >> interestingly enough, much different than yesterday we were out here reporting, it seems like today is much more of unemotionally response.

a quiet response. people really sharing their personal stories as well, coming together as families. here to protest a decision made by the supreme court. democratic lawmakers hearing these calls for action, coming from here in protest. they're not just happening here, but around the country. >> we have some ideas coming from senator warrants, along with 25 other democratic senators asking president biden to explore opening health care clinics on federal lands in red states. in order to help people access the health care and abortion services that they need. >> i anticipate those be more debate and discussion. what was interesting about the supreme court decision, is that it gave the authority back to the states to make these decisions. so now this decision has been made, it will be up to each of the state and the state legislatures and the people there to talk to their elected representatives about what their laws look like. >> a lot of folks worry about what exactly that will look like. and adding fuel to this fire, a

tweet from texas senator -- suggesting the court look at the ruling that helped and school segregation. the senator and damage control today. more on that coming up as well. and then on a day of pride events across this country, deep concern amongst the lgbtq community that gay marriage may be in danger from this conservative court. i'm gonna have more on that this hour as well. we have a lot to get to in the two hours ahead. so i'm thankful you're sticking with me. i want to start, though, from here outside the precip rim court with a third consecutive day of protest is happening. nbc's -- barrett is standing just over our right shoulder. just we hear these folks continue to protests. there hasn't been as much action as we've seen over the last couple of days. the web been seeing, yet you and i talked about this off camera, which is this five days of mourning. since a decision was released. it seems like we're on this day of a motion, right? the first day seemed like shock. yesterday was a lot of anger. today you're hearing a lot of

emotional stories from a lot of different people. and you're seeing a lot of mothers here, bringing their children out to protest as well. here, bringing their children out to protest as >> that's, right yasmin. it is a very different visible right presentation on the ground here for when i was here when the decision came down. we've seen a lot of that very raw emotion, off the bat, people crying out of both joy and despair. and i want to bring you into what we are seeing in the crowd now. somewhat of a smaller crowd. but a very focused one. you can see people wrote on the ground in front of us, they're all taking turns listening to each other speak about their experiences. and people have come up by themselves and made friends. and we have heard them share stories about their own abortion experiences. i heard one woman telling someone about how she now has fear going on dating at dates. because she went on a tender day once and was raped and protected by the man. and so now she does not know if she feels comfortable doing something like that. because what if she gets stuck

with an unwanted pregnancy? obviously, just very challenging, terrifying images to think about in that sense. the point i want to make about that conversation, about the five stages of grief. what is interesting is that clearly, one of the stages's acceptance. this group does not plan on accepting that. everyone i've talked about says that they will go out and vote come midterms. and as we also talked about off camera, this is a multi generational conversation. i want you to hear from a woman i spoke with. she's and a half months pregnant, but how this personally affects her. >> i made a half months pregnant with the daughter. and never in 1 million years did i think that i would have to fight for a basic fundamental right. for myself and for her. i mean, this is just -- such an important issue that, i mean, i thought it was settled. it shouldn't even be an argument. and the fact that my daughter is going to be born with fewer rights than i had is just

unthinkable to me. so it's really important that i come. >> norah went on to point out that there is changes can be made. democrats in congress can take action. people in state houses across the country can take action. however, yasmin, just before i came on the air with you, this group was chanting about the rights that were just taken away by the supreme court and they are worried about what further rights might be taken away from the court in the future. >> that's a lot of what i'm hearing as well, laura, which is from the beginning, a slippery slope. they have to be accountable. and democrats can in fact very much take action. we're gonna get into that conversation ahead. for now, norah, we're gonna check back in about an hour so -- i want to bring out -- judy chu, -- congresswoman, thank you for joining us. we appreciate. you let's get into some of this reaction we're hearing on the ground. before we do that, though, i

want to read a statement that you put out. especially after releasing the decision on friday. and you talk specifically about the fact that while you are shocked, you are not necessarily surprised. saying this, i was outraged to learn of the supreme court decision, however, i was not shocked. far-right republics have been signaling for year their intent to overturn roe and today's decision is a combination of decades of extremist anti abortion strategy. there is a sentiment, congresswoman, i've been hearing over and over again. some folks are saying democrats were asleep at the wheel. republicans knew what's they were gunning for. and the democrats took row for granted. what do you say to that? took row for>> i say we actuallk action right away. after the texas law went through, we in fact put my bill, the women's health protection act on the floor. and for the first time, we passed a pro-abortion bill out of the house of representatives. it was the first time in

history. and it was the most pro-choice supported bill in the history of congress. it went to the senate, in the senate, it was stopped because there were only 49 votes. and they have a filibuster that requires 60 votes. and that is why we indeed have to take action in the midterm election, first. i think that we can get more senators, even if you had two senators that came in that we're ready to do away with the filibuster, then you could go back to a senate vote and get the women's health protection act passed. >> how do you do that fan? how do you get those two senators? which two senators do you think? how do you get those two senators to do away with the filibuster? >> well, there's john fetterman in pennsylvania. there's mandela barns in wisconsin, there's actually some concrete elections that are right before us that could

change everything. these would be for the midterm elections. and if they were elected, we could get rid of the filibuster. then we could -- get the woman's health protection act passed. >> are you confident? i don't mean to cut you off. are you confident that if you were to do away with the filibuster you would have the votes in place even with the civil majority to get the women's health protection act across the finish line? >> that's why it was so good that the senate did take the vote on the women's health protection act. because there were 49 actual votes for the bill. we were only a few of. and the two so-called pro-choice republican senators did not vote for it. they should have voted for it. because the reinstates enshrines the protections of

roe v. wade into law. and so there are other votes that are even above the 49. but right, now we have a solid 49. we are only one or two votes away. >> so you made mention of these two, as you put, it so-called pro choice, pro abortion rights senators. i have an inkling as to who you are speaking of. but before we get that conversation, i want to play for you to pieces of sound. and interview i had with two women talking about accountability when it comes to democrats. how this could be a rallying cry. the other is a conversation with a woman here who specifically called out susan collins and murkowski -- and accountability needs to happen, especially since they made a commitment of holding women's rights. let's take a listen. >> i received a text message from joe biden's campaign yesterday saying that the supreme court could overturn roe v. wade. and that is my responsibility to then rush 15 jewelers to the democratic national party. and i thought that was outrageous. because my rights should not be a fun raising point for them.

or a campaigning point. they have had multiple opportunities to codify roe into law over the past 20, 30, 40, 50 years, and they have not gonna. and if they're gonna keep campaigning on this point, they should actually do something about it. >> you have to codify right. you are not impotent. you are elected officials. you can do something. that is a message i really want to give here. you are in charge! stop asking us what you're gonna do. you do it. >> at one point that last minute we spoke to also cited susan collins, susan murkowski as well, who said they have commitment from the supreme court justices that were willing -- that they would not do that. and then here we stand. what do you make of what we just heard, congresswoman? >> first of all. people can do something. and it isn't fund raising. so, that is not the itical

thing. the critiing for people to do is to vote. it is to vote in november, for your local state and federal officials for those who are for a woman's right to make a personal decision of her own body. now the state are going to be more important than ever. because 26 states are going to ban abortion immediately. and all of these women, 38 million women are going to seek and abortion in another state. and on the federal level, i told you, we can actually enshrine a protection to roe v. wade into law. there is a way to do it. >> we will be watching as this -- progresses. congresswoman, as always, we thank you for joining us on the sunday afternoon. new reaction today, everybody, to this conference virtual tweet from the texas senator -- responding to a statement tweeted up by president obama broke this, now do placebo's

ferguson versus -- brown versus board of education. referee saying racial segregation inside of schools. the senator faced a major backlash and followed up with this tweet, thank goodness some scotus precedents or overrule. we want to bring in -- stephanie, thank you,. texas a trigger law in place, just about 30 days that law will take effect. effectively banning abortions outright. you have this coupled, of, course with this controversial tweet from senator cornyn from texas. how are folks they're reacting? how is it playing out? how are folks they're reacting how >> good afternoon to you, yasmin. there's certainly a lot going on here. it's stirred up in the state of texas. you talked about those tweets. let's get to those first of all. we saw that we come out, it was actually a retweet by john cornyn of something that president obama tweeted. comparing this decision by the supreme court to previous decisions involving racial segregation. and then we saw cornyn issue another, tweet attempting to clarify his words.

that did really happen. there was a lot of controversy swirling around about the statement on twitter. and by many people. but really, yasmin, what it did was, it caused people to think about what else may be on the supreme court's agenda? of course you have the potential for game marriage, access to contraceptives. those are things that are really on peoples minds. here in texas, of course, as you, know there been protest to the supreme court's decision all weekend long. people are very upset. they are very sad. they are very angry. we talked to people yesterday who were marching through the streets of austin, about how they felt about everything going on. let's take a listen to some of their comments. >> in 2017, my partner and i ended up having unhealthy pregnancy. and i had to go out of my way to find abortion care. and it ended up -- at the time we went through every antichoice law. and i'm just out here to remind

people that abortion is treatment for unhealthy pregnancies. >> no matter where you stand on the issue, stand with women. and direct them to resources that will empower them to make informed decisions. and say, hey, i know you're scared right now. i am with you. i hear you. your life is not over. >> and there's just so much emotion going on about this decision. many people here who are on the pro-choice sized pointed out that this will not end abortion. then in fact, things like abortion tourism take place. where people will be seeking refuge in other states. but one thing is clear, they are very angry, they are very upset, and for, then this is all about bodily autonomy. being able to make decisions about their own health without government interference. yasmin, i want to let you know that the protests will continue here in austin. and there will be a rally for reproductive rights that will take place at 5:00 local time. and gubernatorial candidate --

will be speaking. they're >> much of what we're hearing they're obviously, hearing across the country, and here in washington d.c. as well. -- stephanie stanton, thank you. we have a lot more ahead, everybody. we are live from the supreme court. the big question, does the legal challenge to utah's trigger law, does that stand a chance? plus, i have personal stories from protesters throughout. >> taking the step backwards -- my generation, we need people to step up and fight. so that we're not going back in time. it's 2022, we don't need to go back in the 70s, and 60s, we can't go back. it's time to move forward. >> 17-year-old there with her mom and her tyrrell sister as well. but up next, we are live at pride events. san francisco, st. louis as well. as the elsie g d p -- lgbtq+ community feels the right might be the next to go -- ty feels the right might be the next to g -- -- iftin' on by... ♪

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i want to set the scene for you before we get into this. and that's what's going on behind me. obviously, the nature of live television, protests getting incredibly heated, emotional -- you have folks that are anti-abortion rights behind a tree. they are continuously blowing this whistle. this crowd of protesters that are pro abortion rights, just over my right shoulder as well, creeping towards this way. in somewhat of a potential crump confrontation.

it seems they're just trying to agitate one another. i just want to give you a heads up as we're walking through this. to understand, we're just dealing with the nature of what's going on around us. and obviously, it's part of -- not only in washington d.c., but the country with his very controversial decision that was handed down by the supreme court. there is tension with this overturn of roe. reaching a boiling point at one event. i wanted to warn you, the following footage, it's very unsettling to say the least. cell phone video at an abortion clinic in providence, rhode island. showing a man swing his fist at a woman. and punching her mother times in the face. that man, jeanne lugo, happening should be a police officer and a republican candidate for the state senate seat. we want to punch -- one of the democratic opponents, she organized the rally. here is what she said earlier on this network. >> i did not see him until he hit me. i had successfully de-escalated the situation and was escorting the counterprotest are out.

and all of a sudden there was a physical altercation with someone i don't know and then i look to my left and i get punched in the face multiple times. i looked him dead in the face i knew exactly who he was. that was our first interaction. >> the providence police department has placed to harm leave he's also withdrawn from the state senate race. effort works, she is okay, she's made it clear this incident will not stop her from running. and again, the situation behind, me it's continually getting a little more volatile. they're having a bit of a standoff with one another. this stuff happens. and it continues to happen in situations like this. this is the nature of protests like this. and they somewhat try to agitate one another. but of course, we're keeping an eye on it. throughout the entire couple of hours, with our crew here as well. happening in new york city, the annual pride march, as well today, it's one of the largest in the world. attracting tens of thousands of

people every year. -- this new decision on, bro definitely's front and center. many in the lgbtq community fear the rights can be in danger. we're gonna go to -- both in san francisco, and st. louis respectively. celebrations are becoming more like political rallies as well. scott, i'm gonna go to you first. talk to me about how folks there are reacting in san francisco. also hearing that you spoke with nancy pelosi. >> yasmin, this was supposed to be just completely joyful. the first pride, in person, since the pandemic. it definitely has changed. and as you said, this being san francisco, the home district of house speaker, nancy pelosi, we spoke with her just a few minutes ago about the mixture of joy and now urgency that has come about. let's listen. >> justice thomas said, for all the horror of it, he spoke

truth. it's about contraception, if your relationships, even if you don't have marriage equality, which included in that as well. we have some important work to do. and sad to say, that decision has galvanized people in a very important way. -- >> speaker pelosi said there will be a series of votes now in congress in light of the decision on abortion. and the potential erosion of other rights. but beyond that, a lot of what has to happen, she says, is in the senate when they are -- and that really, as i said, has changed the tenor of this pride event. a lot of the people that we talk to are talking about that. and how it's really a mixture, as i said, of join urgency. yasmin. >> scott, thank you.

carol, if you could stand by. and when it comes to injustice that. i want to push in on what's happening behind me. just so folks can get a sense of what we are dealing with here. there's usually kind of small groups of folks that are interact with one another, having standoff with one another. agitating, i keep using the word agitating one another. talking about the issues on both sides. sometimes yelling about the issues on both sides. this is continuing to happen. and if you see this, then let's swing over on my right shoulder there. because you have literally the entire crowd over there facing this very small group of continuing to debate the very issue that we're speaking about. so this is obviously continuing outside the supreme court. continuing to progress throughout here in washington. i want to go to count now in st. louis, missouri. by the way, carol, literally when the first day to enact this trigger law banning abortions outright. -- how are they reacting there? >> you're catching us as they

clean things up. that's why we're moving around. it is the trigger of law, that immediately went into effect on friday. the attorney general really racing to sign a proclamation that activated the trigger law. which was voted on in 2019. the governor here is republican, the attorney general's republican so is the slate legislature. it was almost a political race to see how quickly they can outlaw abortion. we understand, according to the attorney general, missouri with the first state to make it illegal. this is also pride weekend. pride weekend culminates with the parade today. the parade has just wrapped up. and overhang the parade as you've been talking about, this concurrent opinion from justice thomas, in which he, at least for himself, raises the question about same-sex marriage. whether or not it is constitutional. we've been talking to people about it all day. here's a little bit of soundbite we collected earlier. take a listen. all day here's a littl>> my son has feae can't have the life that he wants in the future. so, that my opinion is terrible.

i can only hope that things will change. and we can be a more accepting society of all people. not just the few that are making these decisions for us. >> and look, we're hearing what people are hearing around the country, amongst crowds in the country today -- and urged to get people register to vote. especially in conservative states like missouri, yasmin. >> -- turning this emotion that we're seeing across the country -- into action. scott, cal, thank you for being patient with me. both of you know full well what it's like to be in situations like the one we're dealing with here. coming up, everybody, from outside the supreme court, a narrow, sharing her emotional life saving abortion story. >> to express what i went through, it's not unusual. it is the norm. and yet, we are going to be in that position of not being able to make that choice.

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all morning it's been a little more calm here, throughout the day. but as i've been speaking to you, things have begun to pick up. i just want to show you a little bit. hopefully i won't lose my audio here as i walk this way. this is kind of a gathering, a little bit of a standoff in face-off. control room, tell me if you lose my voice. and folks just kind of standing off with one another. people that are anti-abortion rights, people that are for abortion rights. we're seeing some signs up here and some confrontations. someone saying things that reduce abortions, affordable health, care education, investing in communities. people saying, keep abortion cell -- pro-choice. standing off against votes that are antiabortion right. someone holding up a sign saying pro-life for the whole life. and this crowd is continuing to grow. it's something we've been

seeing throughout the day. our camera guy has been shooting it as well. pete, swing this way if we can. i want to warn everyone, some of the size we're seeing, as i've been saying throughout the day, some of them have expletives. it's the nature of protests like this. they are very emotional. but the heat is continuing to grow a bit. and it is because the emotions are just so incredibly high, for so many folks here. taking this very personally. this decision that was delivered by -- on friday morning. one woman i spoke to earlier, a nurse, who has your own personal abortion story, that she had back in 1980. i want to take a listen to her as to what she had to say. >> you just shared a really personal, emotional story. -- you had an abortion in 1980. eight tell me the story. >> i was about five and a half months pregnant. and i lost my mucus plug. which meant that i was going to go into labor. i went into the hospital, and

the doctor told me that i would be losing that pregnancy. so i prepared for that. and i knew that i would have to go into labor. i did go into labor. however, the amniotic sack would not come out of my uterus. so the doctor came to me and, said to my husband at that time as well, we are going to have to perform an abortion. because you are hemorrhaging. and you are bleeding out. what a horrible decision to have to make. because this is a child that we wanted. and yet, here i was in this position where i knew it i had -- a four-year-old son at home. and i had to live for him. because he was alive, and i was alive. and this child was not going to make it anyway. this fetus was not viable. and so we decided, yes, that we will go through with that. and as i said before, i

actually was bleeding so much. i floated above and saw my -- and saw the head of everybody. i realized i was in the process of dying. >> you are knocking on deaf door. >> yes. so the doctor went in, he pulled a sack. i landed a screen. because that i felt at the moment. and then they followed up, make sure i was okay, i stayed overnight. i was being monitored. i was devastated. but the fact that i made that choice, that i was able to say, i want to live, i was able to do that. that wasn't even an option. you are going to die in the fetus is going to die. i got to live. and i got to go home. three days later i got to see my son. and i cannot tell you how important that is to me. to hold him and know that i am here. i am here. it's because that choice that i made was the right one. >> that was her decision, her

personal story. that nurse. i'm also wondering if some of these more conservative states, these 26 states that are gonna outright ban abortions, if he will have exceptions for a situation like ours. by the way, if you're wondering why i'm losing my voice, now you know that was down behind me. i want to bring in rene zhao in, who operates three family planning -- in the detroit area. she also has a personal story as well. rene, you and i spoke not that long ago. talking about this personal story that you had. and one of the reasons why you dedicated your life's work to providing abortion services for other women. tell us first about your story. fo other >> first of all. i want to think that woman for speaking. she brought me to tears -- and thank you for sharing that story, yasmin. i had an abortion when i was 15 years old. and it was illegal. it was scary. my parents were brave enough to help me get an abortion. otherwise i would not have been able to finish school in 1966.

we were blindfolded, taken to a location that turned out to be a warehouse of some sort. they packed my uterus with gauze. a week later i had it works. and i went back again. and i believe it ruptured my membranes impact my uterus with guys again. they sent me home. and i was -- i went into labor a couple of days later. and passed the pregnancy at home. and then for more money, they came and picked up the fetus. but during that entire time, we had to keep it secret. no one could talk about it. and actually, we did not talk about it for more than 20 years. because we knew that my parents could be in trouble. the doctor who agreed to take care of me, should there be any problems, could lose his medical license. he could be in trouble. i am heartbroken thinking that we're going back to that. i also worked in a buffalo, new york before roe, helping to provide abortion services. so i've seen both.

women have to travel to another state, and women who filled that warehouse where i was. who will face the same illegal abortions. >> rene, we know that abortions are still legally estate. there is, though and i want to read this to make sure i'm seeing it correctly. there's a temporary injunction blocking the enforcement of a state ban. i'm sorry, it could change any moment if a temporary injunction blocking the enforcement of the state then is in fact lifted. we also know the governor filed a lawsuit in early april asking the michigan supreme court to guarantee the right to abortion your state. how confident are you this in fact will be able to happen? that your clinic will be able to continue operating? >> it won't be any minute. there is a hearing in the court of appeals in michigan. and, no matter who wins or loses, they will appeal to the michigan supreme court. it will take time. there is a restraining order in place right now.

and should that be overturned, for any reason, there will be additional lawsuits filed. with a different planes. and it will ask for a tro. in the meantime, the citizens of michigan are taking this into their own hands. and we have been gathering petition to turn into the board of canvassers, the first week of july. yesterday, people came and picked up 5000 petitions after the roe decision. and they are out with them in the streets today. we want to collect the number that we need. but we want to be cushion. because we know there will be legal challenges. and this will be on the ballot in november, for people to vote to protect reproductive and abortion rights in the state of michigan. i believe that we can win. and i believe we will make michigan a state -- safe state. i can tell you, yasmin, how heartbreaking it was yesterday to talk to my friends in texas who closer clinics. my friend in north dakota, who was quoting her clinic it has to move across the river to

minnesota. to talk to the patients, and the clinics in ohio, they put a six-week ban into effect yesterday. and those desperate women calling all of the clinics in the detroit area. and the clinics calling, trying to figure out who they can refer patients to. and we still want to take care of the michigan patients. this is a small taste of what's oklahoma and louisiana and other states went through when texas first banned abortions. it's going to get worse. this country is going to see a public health crisis like they have never seen before. >> not the first time a person like that said. renee chelian, as always, we thank you. much more live here from the supreme court as the situation continues to develop after me. but after the break, we're gonna turn to the latest january six hearings. -- or certainly wouldn't like fall guys for the attempted coup. i'm gonna speak with the guy who knows a thing or two about being a fall guy to the former president. michael cohen.

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will cover the run up to january 6th, the mob that appeared on the mall that day and attacked the capitol. the final hearing will cover with the president was doing, and what he was not doing as we were being attacked. >> sorry guys, a lot happening behind me right now. we're gonna have to bear with me as we're walking through this. there was a bit of a confrontation, again, happens a lot of things like this. so let's talk january six hearing through one moment as we're outside the supreme court. we have details here today from congress will -- congressman adam schiff on what's ahead for the investigation of january 6th. this past week, i should say, the hearing strand a bright light on up -- obvious fall guys on the presidents efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

the og and byron mental or, jeffrey clark, john eastman, key contributors to the big lie leading up to and on the day -- the capital came under siege. both men hiding behind the fifth amendment against self-incrimination, when asked questions related to the roles. watch this. >> did you discuss this draft letter with the president of the united states? >> executive privilege, again, just restated for the abundance of caution. >> did the trump legal team ask you to prepare a miranda regarding the vice president's role in the counting of electoral votes in the joint session of congress on january six, 2022? >> doctor eastman, did you advise the president of the united states that the vice president could reject electors from the seventh state and say that the president could be reelected. >> -- >> fifth, fifth, fifth, over and over again. once again, trumps -- the hit podcast as well as principle of crisis.

michael, thanks for joining us. i will apologize to you in advance, as we're having some audio issues here, there's a lot of stuff going on around us. i'm sure you can understand that after that landmark decision delivered by the supreme court here. let's get into being a fall guy. i remember the day in which you had to begin your presidents -- prison sentence. are covering that breaking news. you took that long drive up towards the prison. as a fall guy for the former president, and now you're looking at john eastman, jeffrey clark, heading in the same direction. what do you make of it? >> yasmin, i certainly remember that day as well. not fondly. i would use that as an example to both john eastman and jeffrey clark. you don't want to be me. you don't to be that guy, self surrendering to any fc i institution in this country. one of the things that i can assure you that is going toanced destroy. so, look already, there are

articles written, like rolling stone did one, as donald was talking about john eastman, about distancing himself and. you know, they were talking about how as a result of what is going on, john eastman is bringing -- this is the greatest part, he's bringing negative attention and media coverage to donald's inner sanctum and what went on there january 6th at the insurrection. now, what john eastman did, like with me, at the direction and for the benefit of donald trump. an adult goes on and, what is the next thing? it's the disparagement. he's going to say he barely knows him. that, you know, he hardly knows him. and anything that john eastman or jeffrey clark did was done at their own volition. and then, of course, destroying the lives, you go to see these people in the same situation that i was in self surrendering to an institution and being away from your family, friends, losing her life, using your

happiness, your family's happiness. and i'm trying to -- if they're listening to this, please listen to my warning. i'm telling you, you will be in the same situation. welcome to under the bus club. >> michael, why the commitment? you felt for it, eastman obviously fell for it. clark fell for it. this commitment, this unfettered commitment to the former president. he is known for acting out in this way, for having fall guys, for having people around him take the rap. what is it about this unfettered commit to the former president, this undying commitment to the former president to do right by him, even if it means breaking the law. >> well, it's more than just myself and a handful of people. it is 70 million americans. they voted for him, all of these lunatic's are charging the capitol on january 6th. what is it about him? there is clearly something on our side. i don't have the answer to that. but it's something internal within ourselves that we are lacking, that he has the

ability to capture. like a cult leader, and you know you don't want to lose your job, eastman did what he did, why jeffrey clark -- did look, for jeffrey clark, it makes sense. what was he, an environmental lawyer? to possibly become the attorney general of the united states? eastman, it really doesn't make sense. you talked about a guy who actually orchestrated the way within which donald could hold on to power in the united states against the will of the people. why do people do it? why i did? it again, there is something that must be lacking within ourselves, whether it is at the moment or from birth. i don't know the answer. but we definitely have something lacking it we were looking to donald, whether it is the celebrity appeal, whether it is the power that went along, whether it was the relevance, the importance, it's a multitude of things and i wish i could put my finger on it. it keeps me up at night all the time. >> it might take some therapy

to figure out, as all of us are in therapy over one thing or another. this might be yours, michael cohen. as always, michael cohen, we thank you for joining us on thin -- and providing insight. >> he has, then you do me a favor, you stay safe. you tell these folks to keep marching, keep protesting. keep ensuring that women have the rights. that they are so entitled to in that we have live with for 50 years. >> thank you so much, appreciated. all right, everybody, we're going back to the supreme court and decision on roe. conservative run states across the country were ready for the supreme court to overturn 50 years of the constitutional right of abortion. now, abortion care outlined in nine states through those trigger laws. and we know at least seven more states likely to follow suit. but abortion rights groups are already fighting back. yesterday planned parenthood filing a suit to block the state of utah's trigger law banning abortions there. they argue, in fact, the abortion ban violates the utah constitution saying 55 utahns won't be able to get the schedule abortion care in the schedule week alone. we want to bring in legal analyst --

joyce francis. i appreciate you joining us on this. let's talk about this. this is something that we expected to come in the pipeline. and here we are talking about it now. the suit filed by utah. what do you make of it? what ground does it have? >> what we are starting to see is the push back against what the supreme court is done. and one of the most important and promising places for that pushback to come from's state constitution that include some sort of privacy guarantee. and you saw, we're seeing a lawsuit. we don't have a sense yet of how quickly it will proceed and how soon will get a decision. but in other states, for instance, kansas has a ballot initiative that would guarantee a right to privacy on the ballot in kansas, of all places, later this summer. so this i think is a very hopeful sign. it's a sign that says our legal system can be nimble and

advocates and lawyers and activists -- they can work together to find a way to get past the point where we find ourselves today. >> in what's this is due state constitution take precedent? >> it's an interesting question. because under the constitution, there's a reservation of rights to the states in many instances. and of course, conservatives believe in states rights and believe the federal government should only be very narrowly involved in our lives. with most power reserved to the states. and what the court did in dobbs was, it did not prohibit abortion, it's simply said decisions about these matters are not controlled by the federal constitution. we leave them up to each state to decide on its own. so now we are beginning to see that process. some states that have trigger laws, or other statutes that prohibit or even criminalize abortion, those states will go down those paths. but in other states and

particularly the states that have constitutional provisions that protect individuals rights to privacy, we will begin to see this legal push start and to see what sort of legal doctrine develops in this area. >> what do you make of the concurrent opinion that we heard from justice thomas? the writings of justice thomas. i talked a lot about this as we've been out here over the last 48 hours or so. folks are worried. they are scared this is really just the beginning, right? what was interesting to me, though, is justice alito making fun of his concurrent opinion. saying in part this, this is the signed -- will imperil those other rights. that being said, hearing this from alito. some folks will say, this is the type of thinking that helped overturn roe. this complacency that roe would never be overturned. and are we here now, when it comes to marriage equality? when it comes to contraception?

when it comes to gay sex. >> if we've learned anything, it's that complacency does not serve us. that the progress to expanding rights in this country is not a linear progression. and that it's possible for significant back steps to take place. even if clarence thomas had not written his concurring opinion, we would have to be concerned about all other rights that are derived under the state -- of due process analysis. because although the majority in dobbs says it doesn't mean to impact any other sorts of rights, that's not how our legal system works. our legal system is a process of making analogy from one opinion and one ruling to another type of problem. and so all of these rights that are derived from the legal doctrine called substance of due process, now have got to be viewed as potentially at risk. and what that means is that we will see a process much like

what we saw for 50 years with the -- anna portion, attacks on roe v. wade. where activists indifferent states filed lawsuits trying to get past the barrier of roe v. wade. they've succeeded with abortion, they'll try with other -- next. >> joyce, as always, my, friend i appreciate it thank you. nearly a decade after a 13-hour filibuster to block abortion -- in texas, -- is leaving -- with her deeds not words. she joins us the next hour with the organization is doing now to protect that access. we'll be right back. l be right back. l be right back. nnovative. my go to toothpaste is going to be pronamel repair. while wayfair is installing your new refrigerator and hauling away m your old one.aste you're binging the latest true crime drama. while the new double oven you financed is taking care of dinner and desert.

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i'm yasmin vossoughian. coming to you live outside the supreme court. the anger at roe is not come to an end yet. not only have the justices worked in the building behind me, but in action that has led to this moment. listen to this. >> it seems like republicans have had this effort for this exact -- for road to be overturned. >> absolutely. >> do you think democrats took roe for granted? >> i do, in some ways i think there was some complacency there. i think that we got very affirmed in our beliefs, and we felt that we were okay. and that it couldn't possibly

go backwards. and then it did. and now we have got to start all over again. >> i'm fighting for them because i know that if i ever need when i can go get one. this is for the people who don't have the same access that i will be able to have. it is health care. they need it. it's necessary. it's necessary. >> i think it's amazing that you're 17, you're so knowledge about the stuff. you're politically active. do you feel like that is kind of part of being in your generation? there's so many things changing? >> i do, i think that taking the step backwards, we now need my generation, people my age to step up and fight. so that we're not going back in time. it's 2022, we don't need to go back to the 70s. we can't go back. it's time to move forward. there's no moving back. >> what about, you do you know why you're here? >> i think it's important, especially for -- i'm only 13, but it's important for our generation to know that we are women gonna have to deal with this for the rest of your lives.