and if something can be done. and of course, the pressure will remain on washington, on the biden administration. both the republicans and democrats to get something over the finish line. specifically democrats to codify roe eventually. we're gonna have to wait to see how this plays out -- politically. we're gonna be watching this on the ground. we appreciate you joining us, throughout the last couple of hours. i'm gonna toss it over now to my friend simone sanders. toss it over now t my friend simone sanders greetings. you are watching. now that roe v. wade has been overturned, states are not wasting any time snatching away peoples decision making powers about their own bodies. this is the beginning, y'all. we are talking to people on the front lines of the battle against them. how will those trigger laws beyond force from state to state? especially when the governor's office and state legislatures are not on the same page. we are asking wisconsin's lieutenant governor, mandela barnes later this hour.

plus, the reversing of roe, what that means for some other rights in this country. during this pride month, right for the lgbtq+ community are under fire. we are going to hear from jim obergefell, the man who led the legal battle for same sex marriage. i am symone sanders, and i have something to say. two days after supreme court overturned roe v. wade, the nation continues to grapple with the realities of a post roe america. yang, that's not good. at least nine states have already banned abortion. ripping away women's rights to make decisions about their own bodies. even more states are expected to follow. thousands of americans nationwide are still hitting the streets to protest the

courts ruling. and the idea that state governments can now force people to give birth. meanwhile, democratic members of congress are sounding the alarm. but, how are they talking about this? well, they are talking about how the decision will affect americans everywhere. take a listen to democratic congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez on nbc's meet the press this morning. >> forcing women to carry pregnancies against their will will kill them. it will kill them. especially in the state of arkansas, where there is very little to no support for life after birth. in terms of health care, in terms of childcare and in terms of combatting poverty. this decision and this policy will kill people. no matter what's their spin and what their talking points are. and that is with the data shows. and that is with the statistics show. >> nbc's marbury is outside the supreme court, where supporters of abortion rights and some

opponents are gathering for the third straight day. mara, one of the crowds like outside the court today? and what are you hearing from folks out there? >> i'm standing in the almost the exact same spot i did more than 48 hours ago when the decision came down. at the time, we saw a pretty equal split of protesters that were for the overturning of roe v wade and those who were against. but i want to take you into the crowd, you can get a sense of what we're seeing today. significantly less people than we saw on friday, a crowd of 2000. but several hundred who were in the majority, people who supported the right to an abortion. and we have new polling from cbs that the majority of americans actually feel a same way. they do not agree with the fact of the supreme court overturned the decision. and so we see here today a lot of stories sharing, people chanting together and trying to understand it empathize with each other. because they're extremely frustrated with the outcome of what we saw happen on friday. i was talking to our colleague, yasmin vossoughian, and we were

talking about the idea of going through the five stages of grief. and the idea, we saw the anger, we saw the tear, as we saw the denial, and usually when the decision came down. but ultimately, those five stages of grief gets down to an acceptance. and we have not seen today, people here are not accepting this decision. they want congress to go forward and passed the federal law. they want the state houses to work. and they want everyone to come out and vote in november, in the midterms. the one chant, though, we heard repeatedly here, was, what will come next? concern that the supreme court will do more than just overturn roe. and i spoke with some people that about that specific concern. and i spoke with some people >> concerning us as long as they're in, there you, know we could have gay marriage taken away as well. because we had this for 50 years and all of a sudden we can't have abortion anymore. maker on rights. so, i think we should be worried. >> explaining it to my children is the only way to change things. and for them to come and see

what it is like to protest and be a part of it. they asked me, you know, one of my children said, i'm tired, do i have to walk? and i said we've been tied for a long time. and the reason why my kids are here is because i walked. >> that woman noting that she benefited from the supreme court legalizing gay marriage. seven years ago today. the sentiment of frustration, and the work that still needs to be done here today. one woman i spoke to saying that she went to visit the constitution and read the constitution before she came here today. and she noted to me, she looked very sad and she said this, she said the words in the constitution are fading. that print is fading, just like our rights. and that is something that we have heard a lot of today. the emphasis that they're still work to be done. bennie symone. >> thank you, i'll be watching you, and i will continue to do so. folks, roe is overturned on friday. but it's clear from what you just saw from are out there

outside the supreme court, a motions are still running high about the decision. and frankly, about the high court itself. our next guest is the vice chair of the house democratic caucus. he will play a central role in the post roe planning on capitol hill. he's also a member of the january six committee. and he led the hearing on the pressure campaign against former vice president mike pence to overturn the 2020 election. he led the hearing about that. take a listen to our next guest. >> approximately 40 feet. that's all there was. 40 feet between vice president and the mob. >> congressman pete aguilar joins me right. now welcome, congressman. we are going to talk about january 6th in just a moment. but at first, i want to talk about roe. today on meet the, press congresswoman ocasio-cortez, she suggested that there should be serious consequences for those supreme court justices who lied before the senate to be confirmed. i'm wondering if you agree. >> thanks for having me, and

good to be with you. i think this is clearly an assault on the freedom that americans have. i've never lived in a non role world. and i think this is incredibly troubling that the rights of millions of women are at stake. and now our nieces and younger women have fewer rights than their parents. it's deeply, deeply troubling. what i can tell you specifically about the court, and i wasn't privy to those conversations where, clearly there were misrepresentations according to the new york times, notes from some senators meetings. i am not on that side. in that senate. but what i can tell you it is, this is incredibly trump-like -- troubling. that these individuals made representation and then they went back on their word about the importance of the precedent. the importance of roe.

and clearly, they misrepresented their position. and now we have fewer rights. and it's deeply troubling. >> yesterday, congressman, i had congressman greg meeks on the show from new york. and he gave a very forceful defense of with the house of representatives has done. i asked him did he think congress was ready to meet this moment. he said the house was ready. but he essentially blazed you all colleagues in the senate for what's going on. would you tell the people who went to the ballot, fox did their part and voted, but are now being told, look, we actually need two more senators to help make a difference. i know you're on the house side. but you are someone that the party is looking to when it comes to messaging. the papers are calling you a rising star. and i'm wondering what your take is on this. >> we've got to win more seats. and to those americans, to those who voted for us to support these issues and to carry foreign on behalf of

working americans, our work isn't done. i understand deeply how frustrating that is. we've got to win more seats. we have got to change some minds. and we have to make sure that we are energized and mobilized, that we are peacefully protesting. that we are turning out the polls. but we'll let more senators in the house of representatives. that truly races. chairman meeks was right. the house passed women health protection act that mike khalid judy chu offered. we want to codify roe. we need more votes. it's not a complaint. it's the truth. and we need to elect more democrats in order to do that. >> let's shift to january 6th. you led the committee's third hearing. that hearing focused on efforts to persuade former vice president pence to throw out certified electoral votes. congressman, we heard a lot from the staffers who worked around the former vice president. but not the former vice president himself directly. so is the committee calling him, pardon, me to testify?

him, pardon, me to testify? >> you know, we have it to date. and clearly, we operate from the perspective that the more voices, the more information, the better. we haven't closed any doors on talking to any witnesses. we are not going to talk specifically about the individuals who we have plans to bring forward in future hearings. but what i can tell you is, from day one, the committee has been incredibly strong to stay we want to have as many interviews as possible. we want to get to the truth. we want to lay out to the american public the facts, which clearly have demonstrated now for those who have watched the first five hearings, that the president, former president, was at the center of this assault on democracy. to try to stop a peaceful transfer of power. and so clearly, anybody who has information about that is relevant to the committee's work. >> congresswoman men. i think we have to go.

but why not call mike pence? and the committee has clear the bailout like to hear from ginni thomas. so i'm just wondering, why not be clear about if you are all going to call for former president mike pence? >> like i, said we want to hear as many voices as possible. we do feel we have heard a lot about the vice presidents day. given our deposition of mike short, his former chief of staff. we played i think over nine clips from marc short's deposition to our live witness of great jacob. so we know a lot about the movements and with the vice president was going through, and the pressure campaign that was brought to bear on him. so, you know, for now that's where we are. we are not closing any doors. >> all, right congressman pete aguilar, thank you very, very much. coming up, we are living in a post roe america folks. that's where we are. and women are coming together to figure out what our options

are right now. we are going to fill you in on the legal, legislative and community based steps that abortion rights advocates are looking into next. but first, my colleague richard louis gets back with today's other top news stories. hey, richard, would you have? >> hey simone, a very good -- for g7 leaders. -- they one of the leaders summit in germany today. president biden saying, the u.s. will mobilize 200 billion dollars in public and private capital the next five years. the president said it will quote, deliver returns for everyone including the american people. missiles hit ukraine's capital for the first time in weeks. president zelenskyy said the war is becoming tough to handle emotionally, as well. the uk ministry a defense says russia has now moved significantly closer to full control of the donbas, with the likely capture of the key city there soon. and an off-duty providence, rhode island police officer and state senate candidate was arrested and charged after this

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that it has. i'm like, sorry. it does not lessen the impact and the feeling of just total despair. feeling like there's nothing you can do except for crying out for help and no one's listening to. >> i'm embarrassed right now. we are the laughing stock of the world. we need to fix it. thankfully, we have some ways to fix it. we come here. we are a presence -- we vote every november. >> that right there is what it's all about. that's why we are mad as hell. real women who lost the ability to make decisions about their own bodies after conservative justices decided to make the decision for them. the question is, what are we going to do about it? we have an amazing group of women here to help us find answers, y'all. brigitte a mary is the deputy director of the aclu's

reproductive freedom project. the team agus graces here. she's the president and ceo of the national women's law center. laphonza butler is also with us. she's the president of emily's list. ladies, it is go time. look at this. every green state that you see on this map has already been abortion in some way. the states and blue -- likely to ban it very soon. this impacts millions of women, their families. bridget, wet avenues of legal action is the aclu taking to help them? >> so, we're going to fight in a courses long as we can and wherever we can. that includes going to state courts and state constitution. for example, tomorrow we're going to be in florida state court arguing under the state constitution that for the 15-week abortion ban should not be allowed to take effect, which is scheduled to do july one. you're gonna see other files charged in order to restore access to abortion to some

states that banned abortion. that's one of the primary things that we're going to do for a litigation perspective. >> but i guess, going to court at the state level is extremely important, but the highest court of the land has already made up his mind. is there any real hope for real legal action that will help? >> there is. luckily, the state constitutions can protect the right to abortion. separately and independently of the federal constitution. regardless of with the u.s. supreme court has said, state courts and their state constitution can protect the right to abortion. >> okay. all right. all right. that's a little hope. a little hope. give us a little hope, brigitte. 15, it's bad right now. we don't get a little worse, but brigitte just gave us some hope. some republican lawmakers, though are now talking about a national ban on abortion and there are folks all out in the streets today, all over the country, ready to go to battle, we keep hearing we need to organize. can you tell folks what they

can do beyond just organizing? >> i just want to say we should take that threat of a national ban seriously. they're saying, that you should take it seriously, but there is a lot that people can do at all levels. the first is that any leader weather in the states or at the federal level, they need to do more than they were thought they would on abortion acts -- accept. people need to demand that they expand access, and they need to show up and hold accountable those who curb it. this is not a time to just sort of sit back and wait for them to leave. all of them need to be pressing them, from the president down to the local city councils. >> and i think it's safe to say everyone here is doing their work. >> everyone is doing their work across the board. i think people should know that. i want individuals to know that it matters. they can -- they can make phone calls. they can rate in. they can donate. there are things they can do to

protect people in realtime and to help us fight to write this wrong in the end. >> laphonza, for those who do not know, you are the president of emily's list and emily's list helps elect democratic women who believe in the women's ability to make decisions on her own body and at every level of government. -- vice president harris, stacey abrams, to name a few. how are you using this moment now that role has been overturned, to organize, but more specifically to elect your candidates? >> it's a great question, simone. thank you for having me. thank you for putting me on with such a great panel of women. look, emily's list has been for the last 37 years preparing for this moment electing for democratic pro-choice women up and down the ballot. you named a few of them. i want voters to know today -- in particular, women, symone,

the real slap in the face that i saw in the majority is justice toledo saying to women in particular, it is not as if we don't have electoral or political power. for every woman who he said that to, we need to make sure that we take him at that bit. that we are indeed demonstrating, not only the will of the majority with women and men who stand in support of this freedom and right, but to make sure that they hear loud and clear at every level of government that women are not going to take the sitting down or standing by. the demonstrations have taken place, are incredibly important, and showing up at the ballot box in november is that much more important. we are supporting our candidates. we are helping them work through how they respond to their constituents, having listened to their constituents in this moment. frankly, getting embattled

ready for the primaries for november. >> battle ready indeed. i want to put this up on the screen. seeing that is now saying to watch your internet searches, because they could become criminal evidence and to not use period tracking apps because that could also be shared. bridget brigitte, is this legal? >> you know, it's a complicated question. i do think that people really need to be careful, because what we do know is that overturning roe is going to have serious criminal consequences for people violating the law. the impact will be felt and mostly black and brown communities. we already know that people are going to be prosecuted, just as they have when roe existed. the young woman in texas for example who was indicted for murder for inducing an abortion on herself, even though the charges were later dropped and the prosecutor said there was no basis for doing so. so, we have to be very vigilant and making sure that people have access to abortion and not

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clarence thomas, when it concurring opinion said that game eric and birth control could be next. nbc's scott cohen is in san francisco, with the 52nd annual pride parade underway. scott, what is the mood like out there? >> symone, we are now about three hours into this parade. and the thinking going into this, being the first in-person pride event since the pandemic, but it was going to be all about pride and joy. but things really did change after the decision on friday. and particularly, justice thomas is concurring opinion. you see a lot of makeshift science, critical of the court, critical of justice thomas in particular. and really, organizers are saying that it has to do with getting them back to what's the reasoning for this event was 52 years ago. san francisco, of course, is the home of how speaker nancy pelosi. she was here as well. we caught up with her earlier

in the parade. i asked her about what happens next. >> overwhelmingly, the american people support what we are doing out here today. taking pride -- they may have some -- majority in the court, but they don't not have majority in the public. we have some important work to do. and, sad to say, that decision has galvanized people in a very important way. and put at risk marriage equality. >> there is certainly beyond san francisco some belief that marriage equality is at risk. there's some polling out on this now from cbs. nearly two thirds of those responding believe that same sex marriage could be the next thing to go in light of the decision on friday. symone. >> think you so much, scott collin. all right, not only is this the last sunday of pride, it was exactly seven years ago today that the supreme court ruled on

obergefell the hodges. this was a landmark decision that struck down -- same-sex marriages in the united states. joining me now is the main plaintiffs in that case, who is now running for a seat in ohio's house of representatives, jim obergefell, welcome, welcome happy pride to you. i want to start by getting your reaction here, jim. in the concurring opinion in overturning roe v wade, that we've been talking, about justice clarence thomas listed a number of past court cases he think should be revisited. your case was on that list. what was your initial reaction when you read it? when you heard it? where were you? >> i was home. and i heard about it via text from a friend. and my immediate reaction was anger. and also, discussed that the highest court in our land, the court that is supposed to protect equal justice under law, the court that is supposed to interpret the constitution to

support every person in this country, that a justice on that court would put in writing a call to -- for married quality in lgbtq plus marriage equality, not to mention the right to conduct -- contraception in that concurring decision. that's nothing more than a call for people who are opposed to those -- opposed to us, and our ability to be a part of the people. to start filing cases to get that to the supreme court. it is appalling that a supreme court justice would do that. it is appalling that is would take away a right that people in america, that live in america have enjoyed and come to rely on for almost 50 years. appalling is the word that just keeps coming to mine, symone. >> appalling. appalling indeed. you talked about roe in ohio, your home state, a federal judge lifted an injunction on would's call, the heartbeat bill. and it banned abortion after

six weeks. to be very clear, after six weeks is before most women even know that they are pregnant. that's only one missed period. bills have also been introduced for with -- established a total abortion ban. we are all high and saying about these new limits on abortion access? >> ohioans or no different than the majority of americans. as mentioned in the previous story, or previous clip. majority of americans support the rights for women to control the decisions made about her body. these a laws, this decision, these are nothing but gross, government overreach into a person's private life. into those decisions that should be made only by the person impacted by that pregnancy, along with the help of her loved ones in her medical professionals. this is gross overreach. and such a serious invasion of privacy. and this court will continue taking away those rights. based on this decision, and that concurrent decision from

thomas. >> you know, you did a video for the white house. it was shared by the white house recently. in the video, you talked about one -- when one fundamental right is, lost all rights are at risk. you, jim, have decided that your answer in this moment, in the face of a hard-fought battle, won seven years ago, your answer here is, you are going to run for office. what do you say to folks all across the country, to other activists, we've seen a wave of anti lgbtq plus bills. what do you say to folks in this moment? what is your -- you said this is your answer, which should other people be doing? >> not everyone can run for office. not everyone wants to run for office. but if you are concerned about the state of our nation, if you are concerned about this wave of anti lgbtq+ hatred out there, please use your voice. and by using your voice, i mean contact your elected officials. leave a voice mail, make a

phone call, send an email, attend those meetings, your city council. you're township trustees. your state legislature. use your voice. make sure you are elected officials know you oppose these harmful hateful bills. make sure your elected facials know you support the ones that actually recognize that we are all human beings, we are all part of we the people. and most importantly, votes in every single election. if you are not voting in every single election, that is part of what has allowed this extreme supreme court to come into being. because when we don't have elected officials, when we don't have a government that actually accurately reflects who we are as a people, what we look like and what we believe, and the values we hold, we end up with the supreme court that is willing to take away rights. and is willing to ignore the forwards in the bed -- equal justice, under law. and that is what we have currently. that comes about because people

have been involved in have not voted. >> that's right. jim, obergefell. my friend, thank you for your work. thank you for being here. happy pride. and i appreciate your time. >> thanks so much, symone. >> my political panel joins me next, your. we are talking about what happens when you throw a whole lot of precedence out the window. and protocols. our country -- being straight for advancer for roe, to plan to overthrow the election. stay with, us we have a lot to discuss. election stay with, us we have a lot to discuss. discuss. cle insurer. that's right, jamie. but it's not just about savings. it's about the friends we make along the way. you said it, flo. and don't forget to floss before you brush. your gums will thank you. -that's right, dr. gary. -jamie? sorry, i had another thought so i got back in line. what was it? [ sighs ] i can't remember. your mission:

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meet the press this morning. >> so for 13 year old in arkansas is raped by a relative, that 13 year old cannot get an abortion in arkansas. are you comfortable with that? >> i'm not. i would prefer a different outcome than that, but that is not the debate today in arkansas. >> naturally, i could not disagree more with governor hutchison. the state of arkansas and governor hutchinson governs over a state that has the third highest -- mortality new united states. evan 1% of the women who die are black women as well. this is a state that has 26% child poverty, forcing women to carry pregnancies against their will will kill them. it will kill them. >> the concerns are real. i need people to make makes sense, maybe give us a little hope. my friend tim miller is here. he's a writer for the bulwark. msnbc political analyst, and he is an author of the new book, why we did it. a travel log from a republican

road to hell. katie benner is also with us. she's an msnbc contributor at the justice department reporter at the new york times. sean is also here. he is a former federal prosecutor. folks, tim, i'm going to start with you. you heard governor hutchison and you heard congresswoman ocasio-cortez this morning. i think they kind of some of the heat of the debate. i know that this does not represent all republicans. there are republicans who support women's right to make decisions about her own body, right? >> not that many left, symone, because of the polarized nature of the parties. obviously should be a lot more -- i do think that there -- the concerning thing for me among the republicans and the reaction since the overruling is, i felt like for a while that there was a genuine corner of the pro-life movement, people who really cared about

life and mothers and would have wanted after the ruling to have a reaction to how can we help mothers? how can we have reasonable, you know, kind of legislation that could support people during tough times? he would have thought governor hutchison of arkansas would have been one of those people. he's been one of the rare, reasonable republicans over the course of the last four years speaking out against trump. but you heard his answer to that question. there is no response coming out of arkansas right now that says hey, we are pro-life, but we know we have to support mothers who are in crisis. hey, we are pro-life, but obviously we need exceptions for rape, incest. that's not what's happening. they're going to be pushing it more and more extreme bills. even for this kind of broad middle, people who maybe consider themselves pro-life in the second and third trimester's, they're not being represented by the supposedly pro-life party, because everyone is going to the extreme. >> it is the extremism for me. chan, now you have said that the overturning of roe really turns that america now has only

one branch of government. you are calling it a, quote, super judiciary. can you break it down for folks? what do you mean? >> sure. well, the problem right now is the supreme court, which obviously is counter majority therrien on the elective, they hold this power which congress and executives seem powerless against. so, these major issues coming up or there may have been laws that could have been passed. the supreme court can overrule them. the executive feels powerless to go against them. we have made them into a super legislature. we are supposed to have this balance along the legislative branch, executive, and the court. but really, it's the court that has the final word on everything right now. people ask me, what can be done right now? the supreme court ruled this way. legally, pretty much nothing in terms of course, because they are the last word. that's why they have too much power to superlatively chernow. >> i think you're absolutely right. i just talked to brigitte from the aclu who was on the panel.

i asked her about the supreme court. the supreme court had said what they said, it is our legal remedies really the answer here? her answer was, state courts are still a way to go. i'm wondering your take on that, chan? >> i think that is true. i think we need to remember that there are cases that could be brought. and it's not the same people who can't bring a federal case to challenge these different laws, that's something that must be done. but yeah, some state courts may be more receptive and some state laws may even codify wet route used to protect, that justice toledo has no stripped away. >> katie, i want to turn to talk about a tweet. it's a tweet from senator john cornyn of texas yesterday, and basically almost broke twitter. president obama, he tweeted how the supreme court reversed nearly 50 years of precedent, and senator cornyn responded with, now -- for folks at home, who may not

remember, separate but equal and brown before have education for segregated schools. cornyn was of course talking about the court overturning precedent. that's what happened with brown v. board of education. it decided wrong, which it was. katie, this is not sitting right with me. >> would cornyn is saying is that the majority opinion in this case is making a similar argument that roe versus wade is wrongly decided. i think that there's obviously a lot of pushback there. there has been conversation, including ruth skater ginsburg when she was alive, saying she wished that roe v. wade had been decided under -- that the argument had been made differently, and hadn't not hung on such a number of rights, and that that would weaken rover versus weight. you see the majority opinion coming, and basically eviscerating it. with their argument is is not that it was wrongly decided because of the reasons why somebody like ginsburg would say, but that it was just wrong on its face, comparing it to

the tragedy -- do even since ferguson. this is something we need to be mindful of, because for a lot of conservatives they do not see this is a travesty. they actually see it as making something right. we've been talking a lot about the courts, but keep in mind there are three branches of government. i think that right now, if you would disagree with the supreme court decision, it is time to turn to the other two branches of government to see what can be done. the conservatives have brilliantly spent decades waiting for this moment by taking state houses, taking seats in congress and controlling the conversation. it's an open question as to whether or not democrats could organize in the same way and pushback by using a legislative branch. >> i wish i could just talk to you on all day, because this is really has just been informative for me. this is my therapy. y'all made it made sense. tim miller, katie benner, shannon will, thank you very much. coming up next, i'm going to be joined by wisconsin lieutenant governor, mandela barr. we're going to keep the conversation going, and we're

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ruling, thanks to a 19th century law which makes it a felony to perform the procedure unless the mother's life is in danger. so, to talk about this with me now is wisconsin -- mandela barnes, running to replace republican senators ron johnson next year. welcome lieutenant governor barnes. >> thank you so much, symone for having me. good to see you. i'm >> happy to have, you sir. there's a lot to talk about. here in an effort to appeal this 1849 law banning abortion, it recently failed in the state legislature in wisconsin. what exactly are you and the governor doing to offset this ban? because i'm just trying to figure out how republican state legislature, it complicate these efforts. does it not? >> let me tell, you the attempt to repeal it didn't fail. it's the fact that republicans wouldn't even show up to the special session of the governor called. this is a ridiculous law from 1849. and i could tell, you at the time, as you know, no women

were voting. and they certainly were women in legislature who voted to pass that restrictive abortion ban. unfortunately, had been overturned when there was a lid billet-y to do so. when there were -- more seats held by democrats. the fact is, we do have a governor. we do have an attorney general who are committed to the protecting abortion protection acts as much they can. -- the attorney general has already stated that he will not prosecute women seeking an abortion or abortion providers. and the governor has also preemptively offered -- which is a great sign. but the fact is, we need so much more. we need congress to act. roe v. wade should have been codified in the law along ago when we had the ability to do so. and that's why this race is so important. that's why we have the -- this november. so people like ron johnson don't get to have a say so about the right to choose. he has already made it very clear that it is his business, for whatever reason, what goes

on between you and your doctor. and that is the unfortunate leadership we have been dealing with over a decade now. but this november, people are saying -- ready to send ron johnson home. >> let's talk about. november because democratic senator, elizabeth born mentioned you this morning. i want to take a look at which he said. >> it's also, focused like a laser on the election in november. and we get two more senators on the democratic side, two senators who are willing to protect access to abortion. and get rid of the filibuster, so we can pass it. and yes, johnfetterman, i am looking at you. in pennsylvania. mandela barnes, i am looking at you and wisconsin. we bring them in, then we've got the votes. and we can protect every woman. no matter where she lives. >> lieutenant governor, mandela bars. i am looking at you. if you are elected, as --

a senator warren right? will you protect a woman's right to choose. and will you abolish the filibuster? will you vote to abolish the filibuster? >> i will tell you, senator warren is absolutely right. i will fight to protect abortion access across this country. and getting rid of the filibuster is absolutely paramount. whether it's abortion access, voting, right so many other rights that we hold dear. i hope that people see the urgency of this moment. and we'll go to www. mandela barnstable calm today and join us in this effort to defeat ron jackson -- it showed my campaign with the lead over ron johnson. we need to capitalize off that momentum. to make sure that we extend this majority in this and. it is absolutely within reach. we can get this done. but we need your help to make it happen. if abortion access is important to, you i need you to step. up i need you to join me. i need to make sure that we are successful in this election. >> you have invoked his name a number of time this interview,

so let's talk about him. the january six committee recently laid out efforts of your opponent, senator ron johnson, to deliver fake electoral certificates to then vice president mike pence. now, senator johnson does deny knowing that these were fake electoral certificates. what was your reaction, lieutenant governor barnes, when you heard this news? first and foremost. and secondly, do you think senator johnson or anyone else who was involved in this scheme should face charges? >> absolutely. the funny thing, is i try not to say his name much. he just doing a terrible job. and it seems like every week there is something. but the fact is, his office tried to overturn a free and fair election. try to destabilize our democracy. i can't think of a more serious offense from a -- united states senator. he needs to be held captive -- accountable, absolutely. i did call for him to resign. this is not the leadership we deserve to stay. we deserve so much more. and for a person to be so --

involved. and then try to turn around a lie about, it makes it even worse. so, whether it's him, his staff, anybody who was, involved a they have to be held accountable. the first plan my campaign released was -- and accountability agenda. that would make sure the people who subvert our democracy are going to be held accountable. >> all right, lieutenant governor of wisconsin, mandela, vibrantly there. thank you so much for coming on. we'll be right back, y'all. right back, y'all right back, y'all we got iphone 13s, too. switched to verizon two minutes ago. (mom brown) ours were busted and we still got a shiny new one. (boy brown) check it out! (dad allen) so, wait. everybody gets the same great deal? (mom allen) i think that's the point. (vo) now everyone can get a new iphone 13 on us on america's most reliable 5g network. (allen kid) can i have a phone? (vo) for every customer. current, new, everyone. to show the love. thanks for watching symone.

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