people. both those within and different from our own sexuality and gender identity. whether you are a member of the lgbtq community or you are and all i, we all have a role to play and the quest for equal representation. onscreen and off. i'm jonathan kaye part. have a good night and happy pride. and happ we begin this hour honoring how far we have come in the 50 years since the stonewall riots here in this neighborhood, those riots opened the country's eyes and the demonization of gay people. it was on stonewall in 1969 that bar goers refused to follow orders to leave their only safe haven in the city. their refusal lead to them for being beaten a number of nights by police, spit upon by anti gay protesters. it was their bravery and belief and never sidelining their true

selves that helped pave the way to the supreme court's ruling seven years ago making same-sex marriage legal across all 50 states. it was that landmark case that fell on the right side of history. putting america on record as a country extending freedom even further, to love who you love, but the question has quickly become, for how long? after the supreme court overturned roe last week. justice clarence thomas writing in his concurring opinion that the visit and overrule passed landmark decision, including -- versus hutches, which has led to legalizing same sex marriage. this year alone red states have passed or introduced more than 320 anti-lgbtq bills across the country. florida, going as far as limiting the discussion of sexual orientation, gender identity in the classroom. for the so-called, don't say gay bill. at this moment, the only -- the supreme court did with roe's congress and in just a

minute we're going to talk with richie torres about what congress can do, not just to restore reproductive rights, but protect gay rights. first though, a look at with the supreme court could do next. here's pete williams. >> the supreme court's five member majority said 50 years of abortion ruling, starting with roe, should be overturned because the right to abortion is not, quote, deeply rooted in this nation's history and tradition. does that mean other rights recognized by the court, including same-sex marriage and access to birth control are also in trouble, since they're not deeply rooted in history either? justice clarence thomas at the courts ruling on contraceptives and gay marriage should be reexamined, but justice samuel alito who wrote the opinion striking down wrote repeatedly said no. he said abortion is different because it and, quote, a potential life. some conservative legal experts say those other precedents are safe, because same-sex marriage has a counterpart opposite sex

marriage that is protected, that abortion does not. >> ask me again in 50 years about, this but i think there's going to be a lot of hesitation on the court to strike down these other rights. >> there's another factor that roe ruling was the product of well organized and sustain campaign to overturn it, by contrast the supreme court recognized the right to same sex marriage seven years ago and no such nationwide movement was formed to oppose it. even so, there's nothing to prevent a future court from striking down those other rights for having no roots in history. >> we now know that the majority of the supreme court would not have recognized them in the first place. as to whether they would now reject them, the key point is that they've only been around recognized by the supreme court for five, ten, 15 years. it makes them much easier to overrule. >> that was nbc's pete williams reporting. with me now on set in the village, new york congressman, richie torres. we have so much we have to get to, but i have to ask you, this

pride feels different. it feels different, because it is supposed to be a celebration of how far we have come, a celebration of rights that had been fought for and obtained, but it is of course happening against the backdrop of the supreme court that is fundamentally remaking this country. >> for me pride is partly a celebration of how far we've come, but it's also a call to tion where we cannot be complacent or prematurely declare mission accomplished, or a qualities of committee has never been more under siege as of now. as dr. martin luther king set, the arguments towards justice but we have to keep fighting so we could bend history in the right direction. >> can you give me a sense of what you believe that fight looks like, specifically for democrats and specifically for members of congress? >> look, the highest priority of that lgbtq members and house democratic caucus is the equality act. the equality act with expand the civil rights act to include

the lgbtq community, and would protect lgbtq people from discrimination and matters of employment, housing and public accommodations. it's based on the proposition that they be fired, evicted, denied -- simply because if we are whom you love. so moving the equality act forward as we've done in the house should be the highest priority. >> it strikes me, representative alexandra or casual cortez sort of framed what is happening with the supreme court as both a crisis for reproductive rights, but also a crisis for our democracy, the fact that you had two supreme court justices joining the confirmation hearings lied about whether or not they thought that roe was settled law of the land, the fact that you have justices who have deep ties to the conservative moves, do you see it the same way? do you see role as being one indicator of the fact that our

democracy is potentially impairing? >> we have a fundamentally broken system that enables a far-right super majority on the supreme court, most of whom were a president appointed by -- enabled those right wing ideologues to radically reversed decades of law and radically unsettle the lives of hundreds of millions of people. the most reactionary member of the court a spy for clarence thomas. who is on her crusade against the -- subject due process holds that there are fundamental rights that are not enumerated in but are nonetheless protected by the constitution. the right to interracial marriage, the right to safe sex marriage, to intimacy, privacy to use contraception. all of these rights are under assault from justice thomas. so we live in a time where we can take nothing for granted. we have to fight our hard out for equality and intimacy,

privacy. >> let's talk about with that fight looks like. it's very clear, there's a very big piece of this that's going to be fought legally in the courts. we had a panel on earlier talking about the fact that so many of these questions, there's a lack of clarity. that lack of clarity is by design. the fact that it will take a significant amount of time for some of these questions to play out. in the court, which is part of why hue here and -- let's look at november. let's look at the midterms. let's get everybody sort of focused on that. i also think you're hearing a pushback. it can't be quite that broad or that generic already, we've had senator warren talking about the fact that which she really needs is two more seats in the u.s. senate so that they can reckon with the filibuster. they could be caught-ifying some of these rights into law. what do you think democrats message needs to be going into midterms? how much of a role do you think

midterms are going to play? >> for me, the midterms has taken on a new urgency, because there is no doubt in my mind that there is going to be a concerted effort by the republican party to impose a national ban on abortion, which would affect blue states like new york. so it is as critical as it has ever been to ensure that the democrats remain in control of both the senate and the house. particularly the senate, so that we have the opportunity to appoint more justices in the supreme court. >> you said something i want to pick up on, which is the fact that, this is not just about red states. you know, i even think about the latest ruling from the supreme court on gun safety. a case that originated out of new york. i mean, we also know that providers in new york are gearing up for the fact that they are now going to have, when it comes to reproductive care, many more patients that are going to have to serve -- for you, as someone who represents new york state. what is this moment actually mean for the blue state?

>> well, the reversal of roe will mean greater demand for reproductive services in blue states like new york. we are going to have a wave of refugees from red states. when it comes to the gun case, the decision is dangerous. before the decision in new york, in order to obtain a gun permit you have to demonstrate proper clause. you have to demonstrate that you as an individual have a special need for self-defense in order to carry a firearm in public. the supreme court struck down the proper requirements, which has the effect of enabling almost anyone to carry a firearm in public. so we might have masses of people in new york city carrying firearms in public. there's no telling what's impact that will have on public safety. i worry about some of these people going to bars that they're going to be people in a moment of drunken rage who might resolve their disputes, not with their fists but with their firearms. >> senator toreez, thank you

for making time to be with us. coming up next, a member of the january six committee says charges against trump, not a principal interest, should it be -- plus i'm going to speak with michigan attorney -- who made history as the first openly gay person to be elected in the office -- american voices returns light from pride. first, to richard louis with a look at other big stories we are tracking this hour on msnbc. richard? >> alicia, good sunday to you. russia launched several airstrikes against the capital of ukraine this morning. the strikes on kyiv damage to residential buildings there. half a dozen were injured, including a seven year old girl. kyiv has not faced russian airstrikes like this since june 5th. the mayor of kyiv believes it may have been a quote, symbolic attack. ahead of tuesday's nato summit in madrid. the g7 summit -- economic leaders agreed the ban on imports of russian gold is a major loss for russia, as gold it's the main source of profit after oil. -- 200 billion dollars and government and private sector funding for global infrastructure projects. this levels that up to similar efforts made by china. and more than 150,000 pounds of baby formula arrived in houston today. that shipment will be enough to

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coverage ahead. but another news this sunday, the justice department stepping up its insurrection investigation. subpoenaing electors in other states and searching the home of would be attorney general jeffrey clark. but there is no sign that the doj is closing in on former president trump. according to doj committee member adam schiff. >> i've yet to see any indication that the former president himself is under investigation. and i concur with what judge carter in california said. there is sufficient evidence to believe the former president violated multiple federal laws. it's not a difficult situation to investigate when there's evidence before you. and i think the worst-case scenario is not that donald trump runs and wins, but that he runs and loses. and they overturn the election. because there is no deterrent. >> joining me now, former watergate prosecutor -- he's the co-host of the hashtag sisters in law in -- politics practice.

well our national correspondent politico is also here with us. jill, i want to start with you. we know that stop the steal organizer ali alexander testify to a federal grand jury on friday. your sense of where the doj is focused? >> i think they are expanding their investigation. they are doing it quietly. they are not making public where they are going. but the evidence that is public is overwhelming. i've held, since the watergate era, that the president is not above the law. that the president needs to be held accountable if the evidence is sufficient to warrant and indictment, he should be indicted. it was in watergate. and i think it is now, to. i think congress has one job. which is passing legislation to undo the damage that has been done and prevent a recurrence.

but the department of justice and state prosecutors have a different job. and that's to hold people accountable for criminal violations. >> betsy, what are you hearing from doj on alexander? >> in terms of where this investigation is going, what we know is that alexander played a key role in organizing some of the protests that happen. not necessarily at the lift with the president, but i would round it. both before and immediately in the lead up to the attack on the capitol building. the fact that he has testified to a grand jury suggests, but does not guarantee, that he could be hoping to receive some level of leniency from the department. or he could have concerns about potentially facing criminal prosecution. again, we don't know that he hasn't been charged with any crimes. we're going into a grand jury room is something that people

don't generally enjoy doing and don't generally do voluntarily. it also raises big questions about whether the justice department is building a case targeting people higher up in the organizational hierarchy of the stop the steal movement. who would have -- had more influence and involvement and ali alexander would have. that is the type of subject matter where he is uniquely positioned to be helpful. so that is what i would expect the department is trying to drill down on with him. >> joel, you also have michael cohen warning that trump is using his lawyers as k scapegoat. take a listen. >> what's john eastman did was, like with me, at the direction for the benefit of donald trump. and then donald goes on. what's the next? think disparagement. he's gonna say he barely knows him. that, you know, he hardly knows him. and that anything that john eastman or jeffrey clark did was done and their own volition. >> jill, how do you see prosecutors responding to this tactic?

>> fully warmth, shame on me. for me twice, i'm sorry, i have that in reverse. for me once, shame on me. have better rivers. for me once, shame on you. for me twice, shame on me. and i feel like we have heard this diversion and deflection and projection. everything he, does he blames on someone else. and it's time for us to say, no, we have enough evidence of your intent in this case. we have heard many people testify that he was told that there was no fraud. and that they're -- this process of fake electors was illegal. that it could not be done. and, yet he insisted on doing it. and then we have him committing out right -- just find 11,780 votes. just have you say that it's investigative by the department of justice. leave the rest to me in the republican congressman. this is a pattern of behavior that shows who was really responsible for this. >> betsy, an abc news poll

found only a third of americans are following the january 6th hearings closely. i wonder what you think the committee's biggest challenges are going into these final hearings. >> frankly, one of the most difficult thing for the committee is that at the same time they're pulling together all of these complex and very detail oriented hearings, they are also having to figure out what's legislative recommendations to make. and as we've seen highlighted about the news of roe v. wade that came, out there are deep-seated ideological differences between the chair of the committee and vice chair, liz cheney. cheney, of course, has been a key part of making the committee function. she's played an invaluable role on folks saying -- but she is not a progressive. she is not -- a liberal politician whatsoever. so reaching a consensus across the are within the committee itself on issues related to voting rights feel like -- one particular next depth need to be taken to shore up america

's democratic institutions? that is really difficult. and ultimately, is likely to be the committees most enduring legacy if they're actually able to get congress to vote on some sort of legislation that would make it much more difficult for another january 6th to happen. the fact they're having to do that work at the same time they're putting together hearings, and under a very tight deadline, just present a very substantial challenge. >> jill and betty, as always. thank you both. coming up, next live from new york city pride, i will be joined onset by actor and activists javier munoz to discuss the power and limits of representation. later -- the first openly gay elected official for michigan is here, and how she looking to protect and restore rights -- for the attorney general. for the attorney general it's more treatable. i'm cologuard. i'm noninvasive... and i detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers...

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liberation in the united states was born. yes, this is one of the biggest, greatest, lgbtq celebrations on the planet, it's a yearly reminder that representation matters for this community. seeing accepting, and the drove turning up today, helping maintain representation from coast to coast. among them, as actor and activists javier muñoz. javier, i'm so excited that you are able to -- because you're in the middle of big reversal. you have a big show coming up! >> we have a pre-broadway run of the devil wears prada. we're going to chicago for the summer. and then coming to broadway. so, yeah, we're rehearsing big-time right. now >> i love that you are excited as if you're just booked your first broadway show. >> [laughs] nothing is guaranteed in this industry. besides that, this is a special production. and this cast is so diverse, so

inclusive. so loving and beautiful. and it is going to blow people away. to come over to our house for the night and spent some time in our love and our light. because that's really what it's about >> i know you went to the march, and got sidetracked by rehearsal, such as the life of an actor slash activists. but tell me, what does this event mean to you? and what does this a vent mean to you in this moment when so much is on the line. >> presidential right? we saw so such a long way to go. we have such a long way to go and we need to be seen, to be heard, to be visible. to maintain the seats at the table that -- prides that moment where it's hours, it's time to celebrate we have achieved. and to take a second to reorganize. because they're still so much more to accomplish. we have hundreds of pieces of x -- that are anti-lgbtq+ and there's such a clear and unabashed assault on us right

now. that pride this year is that much more important to come together, as a community, lift each other up. every single one of. us leave no one behind. and encourage folks, our allies, to be there for us right now. to vote, to pay attention to the legislation that's being passed. to support our communities, our organizations, our foundations. and help lift us up to. >> you managed to tie two things together there. this idea of soft power of the importance of representation. and hard power, actual votes. whether that means the actual votes of we the voters, the actual votes that we secure somewhere. in the halls of congress. i think right now, that conversation is happening with people in reproductive rights movements around the downfall of roe. and where the emphasis has been on staff power versus carve

our. and i wonder for you, as someone's been an activist for many issues, but is well known in the lgbtq community, how you see that. how you both say representation is important, representation is critical, and at the same time, it is not going to be enough. to get us to where we want to go. >> that is the uphill battle right now. i think -- i have so many things to say about that. it feels like the strongest thing for us in that particular fight is -- it's the language around this issue right now. do not forget our trans committee and nonbinary committee that are directly affected -- the stakes are not just limited. there is a wider picture. whatever the reasons that i've always admired you beyond your amazing artistic --

the work that you have done more to, i always find you existed this incredible interception of deep pragmatism, like you sort of know what's going on for real. but also with the lighting and a dose of hope and aspiration and i wonder how you are able to hold those two things side by side. i >> think that my hiv status has informed everything. once i decided that it was up to me to keep making my dreams come true -- and that carries over to everything. no matter what the challenges are with the obstacle is, with the defeat or failure quote unquote might be, there is always something. there is always a hopeful somewhere. focus on that. foot put the energy on that. keep driving towards that. it's going to get brighter. keep going.

that's really how i lived. >> it's how you live and inspire others. javier muñoz, you are such a gift. thank you so much for being here. coming up, we're going to look at the impact of the road decision in michigan over the speed limit attorney general dana nessel about her fight to protect the reproductive rights. plus, want to know with the post-america might look like, a new documentary has a frightening answer when we speak to the director of -- ? of - >> ...a "chow down" day... a "take a big bite" day... >> mm. [ chuckles ] >> ...a "love my new teeth" day. because your clearchoice day is the day everything is back on the menu. a clearchoice day changes every day. schedule a free consultation. age-related macular degeneration may lead to severe vision loss. and if you're taking a multivitamin alone,

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march in new york city. i'm here with one of the events grand marsh dominic morgan. dominic is the executive director of the over project, focusing on providing resources to trans people and members of the lgbtq community. dominic, thank you for being here. i know it's been a long day. tell me, what does this mean to you? >> it meant more than not being able to really verbalize and process. i think the representation really came to me today. seeing the young faces and young folks of color out there. to be a part of history is incredible. i keep saying i'm a young girl

from omaha, nebraska. to be in this place is powerful. >> absolutely. and of course, all of our guests who have come on today have wanted to talk about the lgbtq rights. they've also wanted to talk about roe. you said the same to me when i asked. for the trans community, what ways are you specifically vulnerable in a post roe world? >> i think when we're talking about access to contraception and we're talking about access to abortions, we are having discussions on a binary spectrum. there's all sorts of bodies who get pregnant and all sorts of bodies who need access to that level of care. i think that is frightening for us to know that when -- provided, folks were on the edges of support. no it's going to be pushed further back. i think outside of that, places like planned parenthood offered hormones and other services. when these clinics were shut down, especially in cities when

there is the only place is offering those services, i'm concerned about what happens to our people. >> especially because there's a chilling effect and confusion across the board legally about all of this -- it's also another big piece of your work. in which so many members of your community become criminalized early in their journey. >> i try to do my best to listen to the talking points of individuals, and my supportive of this being overturned? i come from a state of nebraska that is pro-life, but the budget is not pro-life. the support services for food stamps and housing support is not pro-life. a number of black and brown people who are in foster and group homes, the way they're treated at 18 and 19 is not pro-life. so for us to remove the autonomy of people who can introspectively say this is not the right time for me, this is not something i'm prepared for, and all the other reasons someone can make that choice to say -- we will figuring out later. we have centuries to figure it out. we are still seeing young people go from the juvenile

system to the adult system. i am one of those young people. i happen to get an opportunity to get access to education and support. but there are so many folks like me who are in these facilities and never coming out. they've started in the group home for foster care, so we are really going to see the massive car serration numbers rise to this being overturned. we cannot lose that. >> earlier i had -- from the aclu. we talked about what's next is the wrong question? because there's so much happening in this moment and communities that need to be guarded against the realities. i mean, specifically for the trans community. what is the support that they need in this moment? >> they need the support to know that they have safe spaces. i think that just knowing people care is really important. outside of, that there are people like chase and other folks who are already doing the work listen to them, follow them, and don't feed into the fearmongering. don't feed into the emails that are just asking for a few dollars. think about the folks who have

been making plans for a decade. they've been saying this is going to happen. follow them, and invest in them, believe in them and make sure that we all get to the other side of freedom. >> that is a refrain i've heard over and over again, which is that there are groups like yours who have been preparing for this moment for very long time. domonique morgan, thank you so much. director of the -- project. now that roe has been overturned, the michigan governor is trying to stop the abortion ban from taking effect in her state. >> we're putting out all the stops. this is fight like hell moment, so our partners filed another lawsuit. it got the injunction. it's on appeal. there is an effort to -- we are taking using every tool we have to fight for reproductive rights for michigan women and ohio women, indiana women who come to michigan for their health care. >> michigan's law dates back to the 1840s, but attorney general dana nessel has said she will not enforce it. she joins me to discuss the

battle for abortion rights in the midwest. thanks so much for being with us. talk to me about what is ahead for abortion access in michigan especially surrounding states enact laws and restrictions. >> it's uncertain. unconsciously optimistic here in michigan. we have these two lawsuits that are pending, and as was mentioned we have an injunction that stops the very draconian abortion laws that we have -- not permit exceptions for rape or incest or medical emergencies. and that prohibit also the use of abortion medication. and that's very serious and dangerous. however, we do have junction stopping loss from being enforced right now. more importantly, we have a ballot proposal that is being

circulated as we speak. i feel confident that they will get the number of signatures required to make the ballot. and voters in michigan will have an opportunity to pass this ballot proposal which will codify roe into our state constitution, which means that abortion as of the moment, the certification of that the election results, if it passes, roll will -- constitution, and abortion, birth control, ivf, all of it will be legal in michigan. >> michigan also has a decades long marriage ban -- where does the supreme court mean for the lgbtq community? >> it's the seventh anniversary of obergefell. the ravi schneider. you might recall a little the cases from the sixth circuit

actually went to the supreme court order was consolidated. i remember how happy i was, celebrating our win have been years ago but i always knew in the back of my mind that of course, change, the numbers of the courts changed and it was only a 54 decision that we won by. and that this was a precarious set of circumstances, and it was part of the reason that i planned to be attorney general in the state, because i knew -- was likely to get at least a couple nominees on the bench. i just needed to get three. that decision is like griswold, the birth control and's -- like lawrence v. texas, which allows us to even have relationships with same-sex partners. all of that could possibly come back. we do have not only a statute for same-sex marriage -- but we have a constitutional ban that was passed in 2004. so again, we would have to do another ballot proposal in order to reverse all of that, which is quite an undergoing.

>> there's so many things i want to ask you about which i think speaks to how critical ags are in this moment. i want to make sure i get your reaction to this week's january six hearing. you and the governor both faced extreme harassment after the election. i wonder what it was like to watch other americans recount more of the same. >> it wasn't surprising to me, unfortunately, because i we said to the governor and secretary of state, my gosh, we have to write a book about this because nobody's going to believe it. no one will believe that they would have it here in our state. here it would have been nationally. here it was happening in d. c., as we were experiencing all the strange and bizarre and unbelievable events in here in michigan, it helped to better formulate the construct of what this plan was, and in michigan obviously was a large piece of

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trying to save women's lives. but we were criminals. we were felons. for most of the nation, in 72, abortion was illegal. >> we had to go underground. >> you could not work as a present woman if you are not married, you are out of luck. >> they were terrible situations. >> the -- abortion word was -- >> they were literally dying because they were women. >> that's a clip from the new hbo documentary, the jeans. it is eerily timely, streaming now on hbo max. the film tells a story of how a group of women in 1972 chicago broke the law and risk their personal and professional lives to help women with unwanted pregnancies, at a time when abortion was illegal. téa lesson is the director of the jane's.

and she joins me now. téa, i am just really struck by your clarity and choosing to tell this story. clearly, well before roe fell. so i want to know, first, what drew you to the story, why you want to tell. it. you were seeing thousands of restrictions -- and we began production in earnest after brett kavanaugh was confirmed to the supreme court. the writing was on the wall. it was clear that roe was going to be overturned. it wasn't a matter of, if it was just going to be when. and it felt like this story, this really dramatic story could give us a window into the future. which is actually now our president. you know, we're seeing it right now. >> and part of what you just lay out in such stunning detail are the real life consequences of abortion being illegal and

harder to access. talk us through some of the stories that most stuck with you. >> you know, women resorted to returning to -- and chicago in the late 60s and early 70s, before roe guaranteed the right to access this basic, gynecological care. they resorted to going to the -- and working with and school practitioners. many were sent to -- in cook county hospital in chicago. there were wars like that all over the country. which were devoted to caring for women who had been injured, or infected. had life threatening complications because they could not get this basic medical care. and women died. women suffered. and women die. >> that was one half of the equation the other half of the

equation, of course, is these women. you learn about the. women its name for the james. and what they put on the line for other women. it's striking to me because there are still people in this country who are doing this work who have been doing this work. who are putting together abortion funds in some of the states where abortion is gonna be harder or impossible to access. what did you learn about those women back in the 1970s? -- >> look, this was a group of ordinary women. they came out of the civil rights movement. the anti-war movement. they were committed, they were principal. and they just wanted to save women's lives. and so this sped up this -- setup is underground -- to help people access safe and affordable care.

and they were doing a great personal risk. abortion was -- not only providing abortion was against the law, but aiding and abetting abortion care was also illegal. when they were finally busted in 1972, they were facing 150 years in prison, each. but they were willing to take that risk because they knew what was at stake. and they understood that women without the resources, who could not travel to a state where abortion was legal had very few good options. and they wanted to provide a good option. >> there are, of course, unspeakable parallels between what happened in the 1970s and what we are watching happening today. there are also many ways in which the environment has changed. technology has added both some hope and complicating dimensions all of this. i wonder where you see the direct comparative points. and what you see as what has changed the most in this post roe world. >> one thing that really strikes me as many of the abortion bans being put into

place now are actually more punitive, more restrictive than anything that existed in the air of the genes. there's potentially criminalizing people for -- to get health care. incentivizing bounty hunters. that wasn't a thing in the pre roe era. no exceptions for rape or incest. even the most draconian laws back then had exceptions. so it is pretty stunning. yes, there are technological advances. we have medication abortion, which is a huge and liberating thing. but we are seeing many states restrict even that. so, it's not only dangerous for the doctors and the people who aid people in getting abortions. but it looks like people who are seeking abortions themselves are being forced back underground. and potentially into prison.

>> tia -- thank you for telling the story. and thank you for taking some time to be with us and be with us. the janes is streaming now on hbo max. we're gonna have more from the new york city pride parade will return. at the top of the hour, michael steele host two hours of eamonn. he's got to be joined by representatives caroline maloney and peter welch. they will discuss the -- on the supreme court abortion ruling. -- into republican efforts to overturn the 2020 election. that is tonight, eight eastern, right here on msnbc. new customers? we got iphone 13s, too. switched to verizon two minutes ago. (mom brown) ours were busted and we still got a shiny new one. check it out! (dad allen) so, wait. everybody gets the same great deal? (mom allen) i think that's the point. (vo) now everyone can get a new iphone 13 on us on america's most reliable 5g network. (allen kid) can i have a phone? (vo) for every customer. current, new, everyone. to show the love.

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