days our country has ever seen. >> as i always looked up to the supreme court and thought that they were objective. >> this was phase one, and our objective in the pro life movement to make abortion unthinkable throughout our country. >> president trump deserves a lion's share of credit here. he fought like a tiger to put three constitutional conservative judges on the court. >> i'm overjoyed now. there's honestly no words that can describe the way that i feel right now. >> this is deadly serious. we are not going to let this pass. >> the constitutional right has been taken from the people of america. >> you are our elected officials. you can do something. that is a message i really want to hear. you are in charge. stop asking us what we're going to do. you do it.

>> your vote, you can act. you can have the final word. this is not over. >> we went off the air at 10:00 a.m. on friday, and ten minutes later, this. >> this is an nbc news special report. . >> we have just received word of a decision in one of the most consequential cases before the supreme court in decades. >> the monumental ruling by the supreme court finally handed down more than a month after that unprecedented leak of a draft opinion suggesting the nation's highest court was poised to overturn the landmark 1973 roe v. wade case. the nation's highest court ruling 6-3 to uphold the mississippi abortion ban being challenged. chief justice john roberts supported that, but stopped short of overturning roe. that vote was 5-4, ending the

constitutional protected right to abortion after nearly 50 years. the results follow decades after opponents of abortion made possible by three appointees to the high court by former presidential donald trump. the ruling reversed planned parenthood versus casey, a supreme court case that reaffirmed roe back in 1992. >> writing for the majority, justice samuel alito declared abortion presents a profound moral question. the constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each state from regulating or prohibiting abortion. roe and casey abrogated that authority. we now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives. >> justices steven breyer, the

many millions of american women whoch lost a fundamental constitutional protection. we dissent warning that abortion opponents could pursue a nationwide ban from the moment of conception without exceptions for rape and incest. the decision galvanized both sides of the debate starting with president joe biden. >> today the supreme court of the united states expressly took away a constitutional right from the american people that it had already recognized. they didn't limit it. they simply took it away. with this decision, a conservative majority of the supreme court shows how extreme it is. how far removed they are from the majority of this country. they made the united states an outlier among developed nations in the world. but this decision must not be the final word. >> the reaction was instant.

abortion bans went into effect in nine states while clinics from alabama to south dakota shut down immediately. trigger laws in 13 states are set to ban the procedure in the coming days. in response to the ruling, the governors of california, oregon, and washington, announced a joint commitment to maintain access to abortion, and contraception and protect providers and patients from the legal reach of other states, declaring we will fight like hell to protect our rights and values. the waves of joy and anger set off immediately after the decision continued all weekend. protests grew in a number of cities including thousands demonstrating against the decision outside the barricaded supreme court. thousands more chanted we will rise up in new york's washington square. >> meanwhile, for many conservatives, sunday was a day of celebration as the issue took

center stage from the pulpit. the decision to overturn roe clashes with the views of an overwhelming majority of americans. the latest polling shows americans consider the ruling a step backwards for a nation by more than a 20% margin, and as we've seen for some time, over 70% of americans have told gallup and other news organizations they support roe being upheld. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it's monday, june 27th. mika. you have been on the phone all weekend as have i from people calling. obviously a lot of grave concerns, and i must say grave concerns, even among those who are pro life and have been pro life throughout their own lives. concerned about the fact that you have young women. victims of rape, victims of incest that because of in ruling

in many states are going to be forced to be carried to rapist's child to term. that's just the reality, and that's what we keep hearing. >> yeah, and more is coming. i have been hearing from women all over the country and even around the world. this is devastating. and, you know, they asked me what we can do, and i've got two words, please vote. it was winston churchill who said that democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others that have been tried and the same might be said of the democratic party at this point. democrats somehow managed to get the most votes and lose the most elections. it may be argued today's democrats may be too weak, to elitist, disconnected from the realities of working americans, yet the democratic party is the world's last best hope against

fascism. against an extreme autocratic anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-contraception, who dominate the trump wing of today's republican party. a group of fascists who even refuse to investigate the violent riots that their president launched on january 6th to overthrow a legitimately elected presidential. why? because they are fascists. and now they're claiming control over your bodies, your health, your life. and they've promised they're coming next to take away your birth control homes, and what you do with another adult in the privacy of your bedroom. to call -- to our democracy. they are fascists who have

contempt for what 70% of americans believe about roe v. wade, what 90% americans believe about universal background checks, and what you believe about your right to control your own body and your life. what does donald trump's america look like. joe sort of described it there. in reality, it looks like a 13-year-old rape and incest victim being ordered by the state to have a forced birth of her rapist's baby. that's where we are in 2022. and for all the democratic parties flaws. they're the only party that can stem this continued rise of fascism. register and vote. work toward an overwhelming majority that can protect your body, protect your freedoms, and just may save our country. >> let's bring in former u.s. attorney harry litman, nbc news

michael, and michigan state senator, mallory mcmorrow as the issue of abortion heads back to the states where the battles are being waged. professor, let me begin with you. i must say, it is stunning to all of us, but i suspect even more stunning to those who have studied constitutional law, as you have, to teach constitutional law. in 2022, we have a supreme court that takes away a right that over 70% of americans wanted to keep, that's been in effect for 50 years, and went on to say, we're coming after contraception next, gay marriage next, i don't think there's been enough reporting of this, even saying they're coming after what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. let's say this again, this

court, this court says it's coming after what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms next. >> or at least there's nothing to stop them. you're totally right. it's been 50 years of roe where dozens and dozens of justices have upheld it and now you have this court come along and say you know what, it's always been egregiously wrong, a constitutional stepchild, why is that, oh, because in the 18th century sometimes we made it criminal. oh, well, wait a second, what about same-sex marriage, what about contraception, it's all true of all of these things, and what the court says in its opinion is, oh, but we're not talking about those things today. it's a supreme court. they need reasons and the reasons they're trying to give that roe is egregiously wrong, don't hold up at all because they apply to all the things you're talking about, joe, so there is very little reason for consolation that they won't be

coming in that direction because all that has to happened is a newly emboldened red state passes that law and comes up to the court. if they apply this decision in the same way they're supposed to, that's what a court does, now we're stuck in the same way. the assurance is that everything else is off the table, and this was just some egregiously wrong stepchild don't make sense to people who think about constitutional law. >> well, it doesn't make sense. it didn't make sense when alito wrote in the leaked opinion, and clarence thomas let us know there's a reason it didn't make sense because that's not where the court ended up. thomas said we're coming after marriage equality next. we're coming after what adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom next. we're coming after contraception next. so senator, the battle comes to the states now, and i think what is so remarkable to so many americans is because the supreme court lifted this constitutional protection that's been in effect

for half a century, now you have states that are going to require 13-year-old girls victims of rape, victims of incest. they are going to be compelled by the state to carry their rapist's baby to force a birth. what are you planning to do in michigan? what does the future look like for young women? well, for all women. >> it's true. and i also want to share -- i shared a personal story this week on the senate floor. there are those egregious examples, and then there's also a story like mine, after i gave birth to my daughter, i had an iud placed and that iud punctured through my uterus. i had to be scheduled for a lap lapro scopy and dnc to have it removed. if not access to an abortive procedure i might not be here.

how hard it is to become stay pregnant, stay pregnant safely, how often people miscarry, and it is forced pregnancy regardless of what your doctor thinks, regardless of the situation you find yourself in and the ramifications in michigan, we have a 1931 law on the books, a long dormant law that makes providing abortion a felony by a minimum of four years of prison. and right now, the republicans want to go even further and make that a ten-year penalty. so they want to have it both ways. they want to say, look, we don't want to go back to the 1931 law. we don't want to send doctors to jail, we don't want to send women and girls to die. they're doing nothing. i have introduced the bill to pass the reproductive health law into law in the state of michigan to codify abortion access. they don't want to take that up, we've never had a debate. it's too late, this is the law on our books. >> and let's just for a moment talk about the impact here on

poor women. >> i think it's important for americans to reflect upon the fact that this is not actually about saving the lives of babies. the impact of this decision is about control over women's bodies. it's about power and a right wing extremist agenda trying to inflect their wilpon the rest of us. and the people who will suffer the most as usual are the most vulnerable people in society. every woman will suffer. every woman, myself included, we have fewer rights than a week ago or a day ago. the people who will be the first to suffer are those who do not have the ability to travel, if they need health care that includes an abortion. those that do not have health care, those who may not have resources or networks to get them the care that they need, this is going to have a horrible impact on women of color,

especially black women, across the south who have horrendous maternal mortality rates as is in this country. there were projection over the weekend that this is going to make that worse, which is unsurprising, and it's going to have an impact on rural women. it's going to have an impact on any woman who has to drive now across multiple states in this country to get the health care that they should be entitled as a human being. >> of course it's the hypocrisy is extraordinary because you've stated it, but if any of these republicans or if any of these senators who supported these judges, if their family members, their daughters, their loved ones needed an abortion, they could get on a plane and take them to another state. it's poor women. it's as you said, women that are in rural areas, in these

southern states that are going to be trapped making horrific life or death decisions without the safety of a safe medical procedure, and you know, mara, it was fascinating that clarence thomas showed that hypocrisy in his decision. he talked about -- he talked about how contraception rights should be reviewed again. he talked about marriage equality, how that should be opened up. he talked about of course what consenting adults can do in the privacy of their bedroom, that should be taken up. he didn't talk about loving. he didn't talk about interracial marriages, and i saw that, a lot of people brought that up, why didn't he say that. i saw that as being so typical of these republicans, these

so-called pro life republicans and what they would do for their own children, what they would do for their own loved ones if medically necessary, if there was a crisis, and yet what they won't do for poor women in rural states that are thousands of miles away from where they can have the safe procedure. >> that's right, joe. i mean, first of all, it's cruel, so i think we should start there, and i think the dissenting justices use the world draconian in their dissent, which was spot on. but i think what americans are coming to realize, i was at the protests on friday. the amount of anger is extraordinary, and the signs that you see, the protest signs that are very sophisticated, you saw not just women or not just white women, you saw an incredibly diverse crowd of gay new yorkers, gay americans who had signs that said, you know,

bodily autonomy is queer liberation. the point is americans are now coming to understand that this court, this fascist faction in the country, this is not about just abortion. this is about power and control, and it is about wanting to control every aspect of american life. whether it be contraception, of course, or gay rights, and it's really about imposing a really extremist view, and archaic, a white christian nationalist view of this country. i use the word christian loosely in this case. >> please do. i find it so -- >> haven't seen one in a long time. >> i find it so ironic that conservatives have always said, oh, roe. roe is an illegitimate decision because they never mentioned abortion in the constitution. they never mentioned abortion in

the founding documents. you know where abortion also is not mentioned, in the bible, in the gospels, in jesus's own words, you know, those red words. never mentioned once, and by the way, if it were such a center piece of the christian faith, stay with me, christians, listen christians, if it were such a center piece in the christian faith, why did it take baptists 1900 years after jesus's birth when ronald reagan was president that they were suddenly against abortion because baptists were for abortion, they were pro choice throughout the 1970s. catholics only figured out it was the center piece of their religion in like the 1930s. again, it is so preposterous. this claim that this is somehow a victory for baby jesus, it's just a lie, and it's a lie that

has been made up over our adult life. i'm much older than you, but here's a way to look at it. i was telling friend, the center piece, you do understand that evangelicals were for choice like after the beatles broke up. let me continue, they were for choice after the eagles broke up. they were for choice when i was in high school, so tell me, what does this have to do with the gospels of jesus christ? the answer of course is nothing. it's politics, politics, politics. >> and it gets into the bastardization of religion. when i stood up and gave a speech reclaiming my own christian identity a couple of months ago, that was about this horrific abuse of religion and inflicting it on others. it is the views of such a horrific minority of people,

religious freedom in this country does not mean you get to inflict your religious views on others, it means the freedom to practice your religion without fear of prosecution. beyond that, you know what isn't mentioned in the constitution, women. this is an assault on our freedoms, this is an assault on our identities. right now, the supreme court is not going to save us. the congress is not going to save us. states and state legislatures are the front lines and the last line of defense, they have sent this to the states, and that is where we all have to focus our energy and effort to take our freedoms back. >> put this, if you can, into historical context, because i just can't think of many times where a constitutional right was taken away and while that constitutional right was taken away, the state is now able to take claim over a woman's body and tell a woman what she can or cannot do and in the concurring

opinion, the state -- they're saying the state should also be able to take control of what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. i may not be too good at this political thing but i'm thinking the numbers for that aren't really good either, and it shows just how extreme this court is, how disconnected they are from the american public, and i do wonder, michael, what is the impact of the court's legitimacy? what is the impact of democracy when you have one branch so radically, so radically separated from the will of the people? >> well, let's take a look at 1857 with the dread scott decision that basically said you've got a supreme court that's totally racist, and you cannot have hope that's going to change for a very long time without a civil war.

i didn't love but i certainly agreed with what mika said at the beginning about fascism. this is fascist in many ways. that opinion sounded like donald trump's inaugural address, which was basically i've got the power, and if you're in a majority that doesn't like it. it's tough luck. i'm here. you're now about to have, i think i would agree with you, joe. big government in a way that we have never seen before. if a poor woman, a woman by -- i'm not talking economically f a woman is in the a hospital room having a miscarriage, and let's say one of the people in the room is upset by what he or she is seeing because they've read this rule, so what are they going to do, they're going to call 911. the police are going to come into the hospital room with magnifying glasses saying, is this an abortion or not. we're going to call the prosecutor. these so called small government

conservatives, the five, but particularly the three trump appointees, are showing that they're actually on the side of autocracy. they want americans reporting on one another, spying on one another. if this extends to contraceptions if you were saying, joe, two people are in a bedroom with a door closed, is there going to be someone outside saying they're going to use contraception, it's illegal, i'm going to call the cops. where is this going to end, and one other thing i would like to say, these three trump justices you were asking about, is the court going to be seen as illegitimate? the court is as of friday hated by many people in this country, and it makes me extremely sad to say that. look what the three trump justices came from. number one, a stolen seat from barack obama who at least should have had a hearing allowed for merrick garland.

number two, kavanaugh coming in to a vacancy that was created after donald trump enticed anthony kennedy, directly and through intermediaries to leave the court. they can see number three, amy coney barrett rushed on to the court eight days before the 2020 election which trump lost. final point, abraham lincoln in 1864 had to fill such a vacancy. he didn't do it, he said, let's have the election first, that vacancy should be filled by the person who's going to be the next president. >> right. and of course, harry, we've heard for quite some time that expanding the court would undermine the credibility of the supreme court. the supreme court has done that already. republicans in the senate have done that already. even before this decision gallup reported that the supreme court had its lowest ever approval

rating at 25%. you talk about abraham lincoln. abraham lincoln eventually changed the number of justices on the court after lincoln's death, republicans did the same thing there. you had andrew jackson doing it. you had thomas jefferson doing it. john adams wanting to do it. of course washington doing it from the very beginning. it is hard to listen to republicans who have done what they've done over the past five years by lying through their teeth first, saying, oh, they couldn't let merrick garland on the court, it would undermine a rule and lying through their teeth again after rbg died, and said, oh, well, we're going to just change the rules as is. it's hard to take them seriously, isn't it, when you start talking about maybe expanding the court to 12 to represent a country that has over 320 million people now that i'm sure has at least doubled,

perhaps tripled in size since there were only nine justices put on the supreme court. and by the way, i just want to say this, harry, really quickly, just for twitter. i've been saying this for some time. so this isn't a reaction to roe. i have been saying for some time that it makes no sense to only have nine justices with over 320 million people out there. you can check it. i have been saying it for two years. harry, i don't know why with only 25% of americans having any confidence in the court at all, congress and the president shouldn't look at this series and reform the supreme court. >> yeah, and the arguments by republicans, i think, you're right are completely cynical. they're really not thinking about the sanctity of the court. even though we're talking about, joe, shows what bad order the court is in. there have been three or four

times, not always conservatives out of step but when the court is out of step, not just for the american people but with other lawyers and scholarship, we're talking about, you know, a very small extreme on the far right that were bread for this job and trump put up for their very reason, basically to do this job on roe, when the court's in that kind of position, things are really bad for the country and the court, and you can see the court now is terribly roiled. i want to answer the parade of horribles, basically the court said come on in the water is fine to any state that wants to do things. and remember texas, texas's law said, hey, if you help anyone get an abortion, and you can be from michigan or russia, you're going to be libel. there's the real possibility if states are going to go after people who go to another state to get their abortion, they're going to say, well, that's against the law too. that's the show down that's

coming, and one last point on your christianity point, here's a show down that's coming, states that are going to say life begins at conception an essentially religious view. it's opposed to other religion views like judaism, what's the court going to do with that. what they basically said, there's nothing on the side of women, nothing to weigh down and care about. it's all up to the states to do what they want. >> and forgive me for having to say this, i'm just going to have to keep saying this, i know there has been indoctrination over the past 40 years. that religious view that life begins at conception that in the evangelical church started in 1979, 1980 when i was in high school. so, again, the fact that people will come up and talk to you like this is the center piece of this christianity, it actually shows they don't read the bible or if they do read the bible,

they don't read the red letters. they feel like because they follow this politicized version of their christianity, they can ignore all the other parts about kindness, about forgiveness, about grace, about asking for forgiveness, it's extraordinary. a lot of people said this day would never happen. i talked to a lot of people that said this day would never happen that roe would be overturned. they were shocked but we have to believe what these radicals are saying. we should have believed it before. we need to believe it you. they're telling you now, they're coming for your contraception, they're going after griswold, they're going after marriage equality. and you add a concurring opinion

from a justice, a very influential justice who even said they're going after what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms. if that's not fascism, if that's not orwellians, mika, i just don't know what is. >> we're here. this is it. harry litman, thank you very much. michigan state senator, mallory mcmorrow, thank you as well. good to have you on. and still ahead on "morning joe," we're going to have a lot more fallout from the supreme court's decision on abortion rights. dozens of prosecutors are taking a stand in response to the ruling. meanwhile, legal battles are expected to come and several states will have a complete break down for you. we're also following everything that is coming out of the g7 summit, happening right now including president biden's meeting with the leader of a country that has been slow to support ukraine.

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live pictures from the g7 summit taking place in germany right now. president biden and other g7 leaders are gathering inside now. they just finished the so-called class picture outside. and the g7 summit kicks off as it does in germany. russian forces are hitting the ukrainian capital of kyiv. they shattered weeks of relatively calm in the city. officials say several russian missiles yesterday hit two residential buildings and a

kindergarten playground killing one person and injuring four others. a 7-year-old girl and her mother who was a russian citizen were also injured in the attack. an adviser to the ukrainian interior ministry said russian president vladimir putin was wounding his own citizens. president biden condemned the attack, calling it an example of russia's quote barbarism. the russian military will soon exhaust its combat capabilities, and be forced to bring its offensive in eastern ukraine to a grinding halt. that's according to a new western intelligence assessment which was obtained by "the washington post." the paper report that is a senior official says quote there will come a time when the tiny advances russia is making become unsustainable in light of the costs. and they will need a significant pause to regenerate capability. the official also said russia's

creeping advances are dependent almost entirely on the expenditure of vast quantities of ammunition. notably, artillery shells that are being fired at a right almost no military in the world would be able to sustain for long. according to another senior official, the minor territorial gains currently being notched by russia are less significant than the overall balance of power on the battlefield. joining us from austria, the host of "way too early" jonathan lemire. >> it's quite a backdrop. >> the hills are alive. >> i like him at the end of the segment to sing edevweiss, the "washington post" quoting boris johnson and russian military

analysts saying they're just going to run out of missiles. they can't continue the fight forever. the question is whether the west is going to step up and continue the flow of arms to the ukrainians in a way that will allow them to push back these slight russian advances. what are you hearing? >> there are a number of topics at the g7 over the mountains across the border in germany from where i'm standing, including global inflation, a new infrastructure initiative, and certainly the war in ukraine is front of mind. in fact, the world leaders gathered here just received a video address from ukrainian president zelenskyy urging them to continue their support and that namely means keep sending weapons. the u.s. for its part is going to do so, announcing that they will in fact have more long range missiles heading toward kyiv to help out the ukrainian forces. and the president is using the moment, president biden, to push his peers here to do the same. he had an interesting one on one meeting with the german chancellor schultz in which he

stressed the need to be focused on this in order to continue to supply ukraine with weapons and the money it needs to hold off the russian forces. a lot of chatter about this assessment in the east and the donbas. the russians have been making progress. as noted it's pretty slow, it's grinding. the ukrainians are taking heavy losses, and they are fearful that they too may soon be running out of weapons. they're urging the west, these allies to resupply them as soon as possible. they are well positioned to take advantage of them if indeed russia falls short with their own munitions. >> has president biden expressed concern or heard any concern from his advisers about germany and france's commitment that they're dragging their feet and getting the weapons to the ukrainians or do they feel like those countries are stepping up now. >> there has been previous frustrations, they seem to now be more confident that those countries will fulfill those promises to do so. the french president macron and

the british prime minister boris johnson who seems to be having the best time as anyone at the summit, they had a separate meeting in which they emerged saying their two countries were united and absolutely continued to help kyiv with their weapons. the germans as you know have been slower to do so. which is why white house officials were keen to give president biden the audience with the german chancellor yesterday. they're hopeful the germans will follow through with their commitment to do just that. there are other factors of course as well. the west considering a cap on the price of russian oil, trying to choke off a steady stream of revenue for putin and his war machine. coming to a tentative agreement with that. lots of details need to be worked out. it's unclear if they can get china and india to go along. those two countries buying a lot of russian energy. this comes against the backdrop of global inflation, and a fear that some of these western nations will be less inclined to continue to pour money into

ukraine if this were to last months and months considering the dismal economic portions at home. >> michael, we've had several phases of this war, and seemed to be moving into a grinding war of attrition, how is the united states president doing? >> i think amazingly well in making sure that the american people understand what is at stake and support american efforts to support ukrainians. if we were sitting here a year ago and someone had said to us, russia is going to attack ukraine, what do you think is going to happen, i'm sure you and mika would have been much wiser than i would have been. i would have said there's a very good chance that russia is going to conquer much of ukraine pretty quickly, plus a lot of americans might just say, this is not our struggle, those who

are not ukrainian americans say we don't know much about ukraine. what biden has done is he's been able to make sure that americans know that this is not just ukrainians at stake, it's freedom in the whole world, and the other thing he's done is diplomatically, we might have worried about the fact that nato might not be united on the side of helping ukraine. certainly putin before he took this gamble was advised and took the bad advice and thinking a lot of divisions, and nato, in a fight with each other, you know, they'll break up if there's any effort to have unity on ukraine. all of that was wrong. nato is united and i guarantee you when a historian is looking at this 50 years from now, and looking at what joe biden did behind the scenes this didn't just happen spontaneously. >> so jonathan lemire, we won't make you sing, but maybe next time because it would be cute,

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48 past the hour. a live look at the white house as we continue to cover this major story pertaining to abortion. in december of 2019 kaitlyn flanagan published a piece in the atlantic entitled the dishonest of the abortion debate. we're going to read a lot of it here. she writes quote, in 1956, two american physicians, jay a. presley, and w.e. brown, colleagues at the university of arkansas school of medicine

decided that four recent admissions to their hospital were significant enough to warrant a published report. lysol induced criminal abortion appeared in the journal of obstetrics and gynecology. it describes four women who were admitted to the hospital in extreme distress, all of them having had criminal abortions. with what the doctors believed to be an unusual agent, lysol. the powerful cleaner had been pumped into their wombs. three of them survived, many of them died. i have read many accounts of complications and deaths from the years when abortion was illegal in this country. the subject has always compelled me because my mother told me that many times that when she was a young nurse at bellevue hospital in new york city she had twice sat beside girls as they died from botched abortions. both girls were interviewed by detectives who demanded to know

the abortionist's names. but both refused to reveal them. they were too terrified, my mother always said. abortionists to use the term of that era typically extracted three promises from women who sought them out, they must keep the procedure a secret, they must never reveal the abortionist's name, and no matter what happened to them afterward, they must never contact him or her again. flanagan also writes the first time i saw one of the new 3d ultrasounds of a fetus in utero, i wasn't entirely sure what i was looking at. it wasn't anything like the black and white images i was used to seeing. it looked other worldly like we had finally made contact with a planet we had always wanted to reach. for a long time these images made me anxious, they are proof that grows within a pregnant woman's body is a human being,

living and unfolding according to a timetable that has existed as long as we have. obviously it would take a profound act of violence to remove him or her from his quiet world and destroy him. the argument for abortion, if made honestly, requires many words. it must evoke the recent past, the dire consequences to a woman of making a very simple medical procedure illegal, the argument against it doesn't even -- doesn't take even a single word, the argument against it is a picture. this is not an argument anyone is going to win. the loudest advocates on both sides are terrible representatives for their cause. and here is one truth. no matter what the law says, women will continue to get abortions. how do i know, because in the relatively recent past, women would allow strangers to brutalize them, to poke knitting

needles and wire hangers into their wombs, to thread catheters through their cervixes and fill them with lysol or scalding hot water or lye. when we made abortion legal, we decided we weren't going to let that happen anymore. we were not going to let one more woman arrive at a hospital with her organs rotting inside of her. we accepted that we might lose that growing baby but we were also not going to lose that woman. mara, kaitlyn's piece is so searing and so strong, but it brings to light a reality in america. this is not just something that happens once in a while. this is a reality across the board that's come back to us now. >> i mean, this is the reality

that the supreme court doesn't even bother to acknowledge, which is the human reality of the amount of suffering that is going to take place in this country unnecessarily because of their actions. we like to pretend that our actions don't have consequences on others, but they do. and women in this country are not going to simply sit back and accept this. they will do whatever they have to do to exercise control over their own bodies and their own lives, and the consequences of that for too many americans i fear are going to be death, and other women, you know, who may want to have pregnancies later on and be unable to. it's just absolutely chilling, and i also just want to say, you know, there is an element here of this is really not just about abortion. this is about just an attack on modern america as we have come to know it.

the ability to -- and the freedom and the knowledge that we have the freedom as americans, as citizens, to exercise control over our own bodies, to decide what we do to joe's point in our own bedrooms with another consenting adult, and of course to take birth control as well, which i think we should absolutely take those threats seriously. that's what's happening next. >> michael beschloss, just reading caitlan flanagan's piece, you do, you get the imagery of what her mother saw at bellevue, and it really is -- it is just like we are going back 50, 60 years as a country and the take away line from there, the take away from

caitlin's piece is women are going to continue to have abortions. the question is whether those abortions are going to be safe or whether young women, perhaps the victims of incest or rape are going to end up dying after they're rushed to a hospital. >> totally right. what we're seeing is a tyranny by a minority that is now being expressed by a majority on the supreme court because of our political system. and they're basically saying, you know, in that opinion was there any comfort for someone who disagrees. the majority of americans who are going to disagree with this ruling. what the message was -- it wasn't like george washington saying power in a democracy has to be exercised with restraint, instead what that ruling on friday says is we've got the power, deal with it. you're going to have to deal with us even more. >> you know, michael, i just want to underline that quickly, the point you made.

i will say, that is one thing that friends of mine, pro life friends of mine, conservative lawyers of mine, and others underlie, it wasn't just the holding taking away a fundamental right over the past 50 years, they found the tone to be confrontational, and anyone who has followed the supreme court, anyone who has read constitutional law knows that most justices, especially in landmark decisions bend over backwards to explain how this is not a radical move. this is -- we are moving forward, and we're moving in the direction that this country has been moving in, and we are understand there are problems, and they'll round off some of the harsher edges. they will give something to their opponents, their legal or ideological opponents. there was none of that there. i've got to say, more than any

supreme court decision i've ever read, it was -- even the language, there was a violence to the reasoning. we win, you lose. >> yeah. >> we're taking away these rights, and there's nothing you can do about it. please, if somebody disagrees with me, please let me know where a court has overruled a right that's been in place for 50 years and done so in such an aggressive manner with absolutely no grace and absolutely no outreach to their legal or ideological opponents. michael. >> right. this is authoritarian. they're trying to say essentially you in america who don't like the fact that we on the supreme court can basically shove down your throat something that a majority of you don't like, this is the new reality and you're going to have to deal with it. you know, mika said at the

beginning of the hour, she used the word fascism, some people are going to find that a strong word. i find it a descriptive word. that's the essence of what we're talking about, a small minority essentially trying to dominate the politics of the country, by the way, look at dread scott, at other countries, when there's this angry tyranny by the minority, i think you put it perfectly, joe, it oftentimes leads to civil war. i pray that that does not happen in our beloved country. >> michael beschloss, mara gay, thank you both very much for being with us on this very important morning. and coming up, we've got much more on the supreme court decision overturning roe v. wade. including the legal fights that could come at the state level. illinois governor j.b. pritzker is our guest on efforts to strengthen abortion protections this his state. that and much more. we'll be right back. this his state that and much more we'll be right back.

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. i'm 8 1/2 months pregnant with a daughter, and never did i think i would have to fight for a basic fundamental right for myself and for her. i mean, this is just so -- such an important issue that, i mean, i thought was settled. it shouldn't even be an argument, and the fact that my daughter is going to be born with fewer rights than i had is just unthinkable to me. there is an opportunity, if they choose to take it. i mean, the democrats control, they have the majority, if they abolish the filibuster and decide they want to do something about it, they can. >> you know, mika, what she just told the reporter is what my daughter said to me on saturday. she said, can you believe that as a young woman i have less rights than my mother?

i have less control over my body than my mother, that the state can tell me what to do in a way they could never tell my mother. you talk about the definition of going backwards as a country. >> yeah, this is more than going backwards, that's the feeling, by the way, echoed by many protesters who took to the streets nationwide this week, and following the supreme court's decision to overturn the constitutional right to an abortion. the procedure is already illegal now in several states. thanks to trigger laws, some of which make no exceptions for rape or incest. several more states are expected to take up legislation to ban abortion. meanwhile other leaders at the state level are working on a coalition to protect abortion rights and to quote fight like hell. it's two minutes past the top of the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." it is monday, june 27th. joining the conversation, we

have former u.s. senator, now an nbc news and msnbc political analyst claire mccaskill. the host of "politics nation" president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton, and chairman of priorities usa, guy cecil. good to have you all on board. >> we had michael beschloss, talking about the tyranny of the minority dominating the majority of opinions. you just start stacking all of this up, and it shows what -- where we are as a country right now, where the united states government is. you have on roe, a case that 73% of americans believed needed to be upheld. you can go back years looking at gallup polls. rarely be one-third of americans

want roe v. wade to be overturned. in the past weeks since babies were slaughtered in uvalde, we told you about the same thing we have told you since sandy hook, that about 90% of americans want universal background checks. 90%. and yet republicans ignore the 90%. and they protect the extremists that make up the, oh, i don't know, make 5, 6, 7% that are against universal background checks. you look the at united states senate and look at the fact that the republican party hasn't represented a majority of americans in the united states senate since the 1996 election. i've talked about madeleine albright's funeral, you look on the front row, and there you see joe biden, barack obama, hillary clinton, bill clinton and al gore and you realize democrats

have gotten more votes than republicans and every presidential election since 1992, save one. let me say that again. despite the fact that republicans are telling you that your children have to go to school in fear of ar-15s, despite the fact republicans are telling you that your 13 or 14-year-old girl could be raped and the state would force them to carry the rapist's baby to term and force them to have a forced pregnancy. despite the fact you have an insurrection against the united states of america and the republicans won't even

investigate it, they will fight tooth and nail in the senate and the house to investigate it, despite the fact the majority of americans want those investigations to take place, despite that fact, you have the minority telling the majority exactly how they're going to live, how their children are going to continue living in fear, how their -- how rape victims are going to be compelled by the state to carry babies to term. claire mccaskill, i am not calling for radical reforms. i'm justice saying, this is where we are right now. and the democratic party, as mika said at the top of the show, the democratic party is the one party that can stop a band of fascists who use violence to try to overthrow presidential elections, and their accomplices in the senate

the house who will do nothing to stand up those sort of measures. the democratic party for all of its failings seems to be the only political institution that can stop them. the question is how do they stop them in a way that actually lets the will of the majority once again have a say in the direction of their country. >> well, joe, i'm coming to you from the very first home of mandated pregnancy for rape victims. that is the law in my state at this moment. and i think we have to admit that manyemocrats were lulled into a sense of complacency when it came to state legislatures. i don't think most americans have been paying close attention to what republican legislatures have been up to, and i'm going to take a moment here, if you don't mind, just to walk you down how extreme the law

currently is in missouri. first of all, an unborn child is a zygot, a single cell organism, in missouri, right now is a child. secondly, a woman can be prosecuted, and they're lying about this. this is what's really interesting. they are really uncomfortable they've gone this far because the governor is lying about it, other organizations are lying about it. i spent the weekend with prosecutors and statutory construction experts looking at the missouri law. a woman can be prosecuted right now for taking anything or using any device that is not intended to increase the likelihood of surviving of afetus. that means anything that prevents implantation of a zygot or anything that prevents fertilization of an egg. in missouri right now, women can

be prosecuted for iuds, certainly for the morning after pill, and they're lying about it, and they're trying to say because there's a throw away line in one of the sections that she can't be prosecuted for conspiracy but they never say she can't be prosecuted for the crime herself or for an accessory to the crime, and a second definition gets into contraception, it is unbelievably extreme what they have done in missouri, and the governor put out a press release saying women couldn't be prosecuted. they don't even want missourians to know how far they have gone. watch, there will be a zealous prosecutor out there in red missouri that will go after a woman on this basis. >> guy cecil, it's remarkable, you and i have grown up -- i was talking about this christian nationalism that has put abortion and a lot of churches that have put abortion at the

center of their faith when the fact is that when you and i were in high school, baptist church was pro choice, was really until 1979, 1980. this is all political. and yet you have a generation, and i will say brain washed, brain washed, that don't understand that it took almost 2,000 years after jesus' birth for abortion to suddenly become a center piece, 1979, 1980 redo of what christianity is, and yet you look at the map, you look across the bible belt, and like claire said, there are extraordinarily extreme provisions that could put victims of rape, victims of incest if they don't follow the

centralized states dictates that they actually have to carry the rapist's baby to term. what do democrats do about that? >> well, first of all, i think it's also important to say what you and i also know which is that there are millions and millions and millions of american christians who understand that what the far right white christian nationalist movement is doing is not just antithetical to american principles, it's antithetical to christian principles, and we see that in so called christian governors, particularly in the south who have had months and months and months to supposedly prepare to take care of the children that will be born, and yet have done absolutely nothing to do so, so the point is the number of white christian conservative evangelicals is shrinking and yet their power is not. and the only way that we can

deal with that in the short term is to win the next election. you know, i think it's important that democrats and journalists and all americans believe republicans when they tell us what they're going to do. when clarence thomas says that contraception and my marriage to my husband is next, we should believe him. when blake masters in arizona says he's going to privatize social security and throw the health and well being of our seniors into jeopardy, we should believe him. and then we should be clear that as we put the republican extremism in the middle of this election without apology that we also are clear about what democrats need to do. democrats need to hold the house when two seats in the united states senate in wisconsin and pennsylvania and joe biden will sign a bill into law that codifies roe and makes it the law of the land, so it is critical that we keep our eyes

on what can be done now. pick up two seats in the house, win the state legislative seats that claire has been talking about this morning, and make sure governors like j.b. pritzker, and gretchen whitmer up and on the ballot return to the election, we cannot abide by the asymmetrical battle of the republican party. democrats cannot sit here, complain about the damage in the senate without being clear that republican extremism is on the ballot, and we have a plan to do something about it. >> well, and you know, rev, they also, democrats and independents, and other people that are against this extremist vision of america and the phoniness of so called christian nationalists, they need to understand the truth about what's in the bible and what's not in the bible. it's important because that's been used on the right to

justify this. you know, it's so fascinating that so called conservatives have said, abortion, roe needs to be overturned because abortion is never mentioned in the constitution. rev, it's also not mentioned as you know better than anybody in the bible. it's not mentioned in the new testament. it's not mentioned in the gospels. it's not mentioned by jesus. not one time. which is why my church, the southern baptist church, was still pro choice through the 1970s, said women should have the decision on their own and the centralized state shouldn't step in and take that decision away from them. this is very recent development and that truth needs to get out. because i think right now democrats feel like they're ham strung by the fact that, oh, we

can't talk about because this has to do with the christian faith. no, it doesn't. let me say it again, this has nothing to do with jesus. this is political, especially for evangelicals, 1980 catholics, back to the 1930s, this is a recent development. historically. and democrats need to understand that, and they need to be aggressive. they need to go after voters and need to get the truth out there. >> not only do democrats need to aggressively go out there, real christians that really study the bible ought to be incensed. i've been a preacher since i was a little boy. i am incensed and insulted they have hijacked the bible and jesus to distort and misquote, it's not even a misquote. create quotes that are not there to justify a right wing kind of

ideology that would take away the rights of women and then scheduled to take other people's rights, and what is strange to me, joe, they can see a scripture that is not there about abortion but they couldn't see love your neighbor when it came down to putting things through that would help the poor and help the needy. they couldn't see that. they didn't see jesus healing the sick when we were dealing with affordable health care, the things in the bible they missed and put things that were not in the bible there, and many gullible and insecure democrats who probably haven't read the bible themselves got nervous. if they would read the bible and fight back, they would not be in this situation. and to some of my friends in the progressive side, and i consider myself a progressive, when we facing 2020 and 2016, and people

were saying there's not much difference between hillary and donald trump where many of us said no, there's a difference, some of what clinton did when bill clinton was in the white house, and they're better than trump, we have to stop this. no, no, no, you've got to be out there or we should vote. well, look at what you got. what did you think would happen. you gave trump three seats on the supreme court. you helped do this as much as that distorted christian language, and we need to aggressively take both of you on and say step to the side and let folks that are clear sighted and clear minded save this country. >> well, and let me read from bari weiss who wrote this weekend, how did we wind up with a feminist movement that is policing our ability to say the word woman but has been unable to safeguard second wave's most important victory. it seems there has been a lack of focus on first principles

certainly for the democratic party and for women. let's move from the op-ed pages to the news pages and bring in nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. pete, for so many reasons, this was an extraordinary decision, a reversal of a 50-year precedent, but also the tone i found to be far less sparing than past major precedents. it was -- even the language, every bit as aggressive as that draft, which i just thought was maybe a first draft, but new york city -- no it paralleled a lot of what we said on friday. >> the opinion saying that roe was not just wrong, but egregiously wrong and caused lots of damage. there were some minor modifications but the approach,

the idea that abortion is not protected by the constitution, because not only is it not explicitly mentioned but it's not deeply rooted in the nation's history and tradition, so, yes, it very closely followed that draft, and of course all the justices who appeared to be with him on the draft stayed with him on the opinion, 5-4 on whether to overturn roe. >> and you had sent out a note or we certainly got a note halfway through the day, which cited you, talking about how many news agencies had mistakenly said this was a 6-3 decision. it was very clarifying, it was in fact a 5-4 decision. can you explain the chief justice and his position through this entire process, and do you have any reporting on whether he did, in fact, have efforts to try to bring kavanaugh or coney barrett over to his side. >> so remember what got this case to the supme court in the first place.

this was mississippi passing a law explicitly to challenge roe v. wade by saying abortion would be banned after 15 weeks. the whole point of roe and the follow-on case of casey versus planned parenthood is that states can't ban abortion before the age of viability, which is now about 23 weeks. by the way, probably be about 28 weeks when roe was decided in '73 but because of advances in medicine now about 23 weeks, and mississippi said when it asked the supreme court to take the case, don't worry, you don't have to decide whether roe v. wade should be overturned, after justice ginsberg died and amy coney barrett came on to the court, mississippi said when it filed its new brief, and while you're at it, let's overturn roe v. wade because it's not protected in the constitution. the court granted the case but granted it with question, can a state ban abortion before the age of viability. that was the only question the court granted. it did not grant the question about whether to overturn roe v.

wade. so chief justice robert all along had argued for the position, he said it during oral argument when the case was argued in december, all we have to decide is whether we're going to allow a state to ban abortion before viability. let's do that here, let's uphold the mississippi law on that basis, but he never got any takers, nobody else among the other five conservatives on the court were willing to go with him. whether he aggressively tried to peel off justice kavanaugh or justice barrett, we have to assume he did, we just don't know for sure. >> pete, obviously conservatives have been critical of a number of rights, things that weren't in the original text of the constitution that have been extended to abortion, contraception, marriage equality, actions that adults, consenting adults take in the privacy of their own bedrooms. justice thomas said that's now -- all of those are at risk, and that they should re-examine

those. he left out loving of course. but talk about, again, just based on legal reasoning whether this looks like it is a direction that the court could move in. >> all right. so legal nerd alert, here we go. this is based on the idea that the 14th amendment, which guaranteed due process, a theory called substantiative due process, meaning that due process doesn't merely protect process of going through the steps in the government but that it has a substantiative quality to it. it protects certain rights too. that's been the majority view of the court. justice thomas has never signed on to that. his concurrence in the roe decision saying we ought to re-examine those other things, he's been saying this for as long as he's been on the supreme court, and on this he is a committee of one. he doesn't seem to have any other justices willing to go along with it. so back to what the court said, because abortion is not deeply

rooted in the history and tradition, there's no protection in the constitution. certainly abortion, i mean, contraception, same-sex marriage, interracial marriage, the right to refuse medical treatment, the right to decide where your kids go to school, other things that protect the family, none of those are enumerated in the constitution, there's no history and tradition of those either, so they would appear to flunk that test. now, justice alito says not just twice as he did in the draft opinion, but four times in this opinion, no, we're not questioning those other decisions, those other precedents because, he says, abortion is different. it has a moral component, it involves what he calls the taking of a potential life, and in his concurrence, justice brett kavanaugh said the same thing. he said we're not questioning those other precedents, they're all safe. i would just add one other thing here, i think. i think all you can say, then, is they appear to be safe for

now. but of course it would take a case, take a state trying to ban one of those things to get it to the supreme court. would the supreme court if a case came to it next year overturn same-sex marriage? it seems highly doubtful, but, you know, if they followed the logic and not the reassurance of the decision, who knows. >> if they followed the logic, and if they followed their own legal reasoning, then they would because this is my opinion, of course, i think most legal scholars would say that's a distinction without a difference. nbc's pete williams, my opinion, not yours, thank you so much for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. guy cecil. let me go to claire, claire, you hear what was said there, and the fact that alito says, oh,

we're not going to go after contraceptions because this just deals with abortion. the fact is that their legal reasoning effectively undermines griswold and the right to contraception, the right to interracial marriage and all the other things that pete williams said. so any court that is going to follow the logic of this case would apply the law of this case to every one of those other issues. >> yeah, and you have mentioned earlier, the hypocrisy around this decision, and i'm struck by how close in time the gun decision was to this decision. keep in mind here, the constitution talks about a well regulated militia. they said in really bombastic terms that new york had no right to regulate guns that this has

to be federal government in charge of what regulations guns have. this is the big bad federal government telling the states what they can and can't do, and then they turn around and in a nanosecond, they say states are supreme when it comes to telling rape victims they have to carry a pregnancy to term, states get to do that, and by the way, this decision, and i know pete would back me up on this, not only did they give it to states, they spent time in the decision talking about the deference that states deserve, that any regulation should be presumed to be constitutional if it does anything to preserve a life no matter at what stage. so if someone gets prosecuted for contraception in missouri, which they could under missouri's law, and if it's taken to the supreme court, that's going to be an interesting moment for particularly brett kavanaugh and alito who tried to reassure everyone that contraception was

safe. >> and you can be guaranteed that if somebody is prosecuted in missouri and they take it up to the supreme court in the next year or two, the supreme court won't take the case. they will let it stand because they're just hypocrites. and again, you were so right. this court is for states rights, until they're not for states rights. until we're talking about guns. until we're talking about localities, until we're talking about new york city. it's like ron desantis. he's a conservative and for local control, until he's not for local control. until he wants to take the right away from small business owners and entrepreneurs and cruise lines from deciding how to keep their businesses safe or local school boards or local communities, local classrooms. teachers can't make the decision if it goes against what ron desantis's latest conspiracy theory was about covid, so again, it's just all

hypocritical, it's situational ethics. guy, the question is, again, what do those who are opposed to this hypocrisy do, and let me just also ask you, what about a state like wisconsin, a state that now, i guess, abortion is illegal now in wisconsin. what's the impact on races up there? i mean, that's not alabama. that's not mississippi. that's wisconsin. what's the impact? >> first, if i could also just say, the only difference between what clarence thomas said and what alito and gorsuch and the rest said is that thomas just said the quiet part out loud. that this is not about legal consistency, this is not about anything other than power. the reason why republicans refuse to do what they need to do to secure the vote, protect the electoral college counting is because of power.

and so the only way you change that dynamic is you claim the power in our elections. i know ha for some that is frustrating, we had an election, we feel like we haven't made the changes, we are not going to make any change in places like wisconsin where they are now relying on a law that was written in the 1850s to govern how women should be governed. it is remarkable that the court and republicans n give corporations and guns more rights than american women and girls. the only way to change that in wisconsin is to elect a democratic state legislature and to reelect the governor. the only way to change that at the federal level is to elect two more democratic senators in wisconsin and in pennsylvania to protect our seats in colorado and georgia and arizona and to do everything we can to hold the house. i know that midterms are difficult for democrats. i know that midterms are difficult for the party that is out of power. we do nothing by complaining

about that. we do something by putting republican extremism at the center of this election, clearly saying what we are going to do about it that's why priorities to launch advertising specifically to get people to check the status of their voter registration and connecting it to the public commitment of national republican leaders not just to overturn roe v. wade and return it to the states, but to enact a nationwide abortion ban, and the same people that said they would never overturn roe v. wade are now the same people that would say a nationwide abortion ban would never happen. republicans are telling us what they will do and we should believe it and do something about it. >> and we should believe that more is on the way. guy cecil, thank you very much. claire and reverend al, stay with us, and still ahead on "morning joe," with the supreme court overturning roe v. wade, the fight over abortion rights head to the state level. we'll talk to illinois governor j.b. pritzker and michigan

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they specifically considered whether to overrule and reaffirmed and applied all the stare decisis factors so that importantly became precedent on precedent in this context. >> that was then judges brett kavanaugh and neil gorsuch. what they said about roe during their respective confirmation hearings. fast forward to today, and now two senators are criticizing the supreme court's ruling on friday, suggesting they were misled and let down. republican senator susan collins of maine wrote in a statement that this decision is inconsistent with what justices gorsuch and kavanaugh said in that their testimony and their meetings with me where they both were insistent on the importance of supporting long standing precedents that the country has relied upon. democratic senator joe manchin of west virginia said he was quote deeply disappointed in the justices. joining us now, democratic senator amy klobuchar of minnesota. she's a member of the judiciary

committee, and chairwoman of the rules committee. boy, so many things i want to ask you. >> thanks, mika. >> but susan collins is shocked and disappointed, are you as well, and should she be? >> i'm more than disappointed as you've discussed all morning. this is an absolute outrage for the women of america. but i'm not surprised because i voted against them. it wasn't just abortion. it was their views on so many things. they gave you a road map in those hearings. now, i will say that in the actual hearings, which you just played, they said things similar to what they must have said to senator collins, and it appears they doubled down on whatever they told her so i wasn't at the meeting in her office. i don't know what either of them said to her. i just know where we are right now, and that is we must move ahead, and i thought guy cecil's

remarks about the election on your last panel was so important. this is, mika, about an election. it is about taking this anger. you know, you always say, don't get mad, vote. get mad and vote. it is taking the anger about how these six people can make a decision for the women of america because they are pissed, and they are going to vote, and that's what this is about. we will do whatever we can in the senate with our 50/50 senate which you know is limited. states, and you'll hear it from governor pritzker, states across the country, including mine, minnesota is like an island in a really tough neighborhood when it comes to women's reproductive rights, north dakota, south dakota, iowa, wisconsin which has a law from before 1850 on the books. we're going to do what we can, but in the end, this is about november. >> so i know you don't want to talk about other senators. i understand that.

susan collins, we have to talk about the hypocrisy of all of this. she knew what brett kavanaugh was going to do. she can say all she wants she didn't know what brett kavanaugh was going to do, but if she didn't know what brett kavanaugh was going to do, then why did she do a political fundraiser with the head of the federalist society? she just can't have it both ways. >> at some point when you see the chaos that we're going to see in this country, 13 trigger bans already in effect. states all over this country, governors racing to the state capitol to ban abortion, every senator is going to have to look to themselves and say this is it, and we just put a vote on about a month ago, senator schumer did, and it was very clear, we didn't get any republicans voting with us. and so that's to codify roe v. wade. so until we change who's in the senate, regardless of what any

individual senator says, the question is are you willing to make sure we codify roe v. wade into law, including getting rid of or reforming archaic senate rules to make sure we protect the rights of the women of this country. that's what this election is going to be about. and we can actually achieve it, as guy cecil just pointed out, we win wisconsin, we win pennsylvania, totally doable, and let's reach out farther to look at those races in places like ohio. i think claire would add missouri to the list, in places like florida and north carolina where we have two fantastic women candidates running. you add that to our incredible incumbents that we've got with reverend warnock in georgia, and mark kelly in arizona, and maggie hassan in new hampshire, we can do this. this isn't some pipe dream, and

we can assure that women across america are going to be making decisions about their own health care instead of some government official or ted cruz. >> again, the situation right now is that a state, a centralized state will compel a rape victim to carry her rapist's -- >> your right, joe. >> rapist's pregnancy, to have a forced birth, and it's going to be the centralized state that's doing it. that's about as frightening i would think for most americans. >> here you go. >> as possible. >> these are the states that don't have exceptions. these states, these darker states here, they don't have exceptions for rape or incest in their proposal. that is exactly what you're looking at. >> claire mccaskill, that's susan collins' america, she can act shocked and stunned and tell reporters how stunned she is

that brett kavanaugh was going to do this. she knew this was going to happen all along. again, you look at the fund raising for her last election. she knew. she was on brett kavanaugh's side. she was on the side of the people, let's see that map again, senator, she's on the side of the people that made this a reality. you look at the dark states, claire, and those states, a 13-year-old girl that's a rape victim, a victim of incest, is forced by those states, forced by the centralized state to have a forced pregnancy. did susan collins really not know what was going to happen when she voted for brett kavanaugh? >> i assume that he was worried. i think brett kavanaugh was very clearly with her in his office, and of course there have been other republican nominated supreme court justices who have been supportive of roe v. wade,

and i do think he lied to her outright in her office. you know, let's also talk about donald trump and whether we should have been paying attention to donald trump. i found it fascinating that donald trump over the weekend was saying to people that this was going to be really bad for the republicans so, you know, once again, donald trump has shown that he doesn't care what kind of damage he does to the country i don't think for a minute donald trump believes abortion to be illegal. not for a minute does he believe abortion should be illegal. i think most people know that about him. he knows this is a difficult political situation, especially with no exceptions for rape and incest in all of these states. and so him admitting over the weekend that this is bad for republicans is fascinating since he did it. he did it. this is the trump court, and you know what the trump court is, the trump court is five politicians in a row. that's what the trump court is.

>> yeah, we have reverend al with us. reverend al has a question for you. >> okay. great. >> senator, as you and i have worked on several civil rights issues together, and i clearly think you're right that there needs to be a real vote in these key states, but the question is going to be how we mobilize and galvanize that vote for the democrats. let's not forget, yes, you have a 50/50 senate because you had an unusual turnout, the biden election was the highest turnout in presidential history. how do we get the message to people on the ground that not only are we looking at an archaic, in my opinion, move in terms of women's rights, but right behind it could be contraception, it could be lgbtq rights, voting rights, civil rights, once you get the state's right models, everybody is at

risk here, how do we get everybody to understand that everybody's got to be all in, and these fights between who's moderate, who's progressive, who's up or who's down, really need to go to the side because all of our rights are at stake. without that, i think we can be right, and we could lose, if we do not get the message that would energize the vote we saw in 2020, which was an unusual vote in terms of turnout. >> that's exactly right, al, and this means taking that energy that we see out there in the marches over the weekend and putting it right to an election. that's why i started this way, that's why i'll end this way. this is about looking at young women in the eye who can vote and saying, and the men that support them, and saying you have less rights than your mom or your grandma. that's what i had to tell my daughter this weekend. it is about directly saying who do you trust to make your own health care decisions, you and your family, your doctor, or

some other politician. and it is about, then, taking that energy and showing them that it can make a difference, and i thought what claire just said about donald trump picking these judges, you put it right to the politics. that's what this is. amy coney barrett said that roe v. wade wasn't super precedent when i asked them. they knew exactly what they were getting. this was a long-term plan. and we've got to make that point and connect the dots to donald trump and the republican party because no matter what people say they're shocked now about it or they wish they could change it, well, right now, we are where we are, and this is about a check on that supreme court and the way you do it is with the people. that's how our system of government was set up. >> to that point, senator, i have a question about the democratic party. president biden signed the gun bill progress, and it seems to me that democrats have three

issues with the very challenge backdrop of the economy impacted by global events, i'll give you that, but three issues to run on, guns, women's rights, and january 6th, our democracy, our functioning democracy. can democrats get focused and run on this effectively. >> well, first, i wouldn't -- things like bringing down the cost of pharmaceuticals, that's number one for a lot of people in my state. it's democrats that want to allow a negotiation for medicare and bring down those costs. there are economic issues we must and will run on. the other issues, yes, we know they are all related because as beschloss said, tyranny of the minority, a small group of people have put in positions, most people in this country, 80% of them want to see the background checks. they want to make sure that we ban assault weapons at least for 18 to 21-year-olds. i'm proud of the deal chris

murphy, all of us that worked on this, i'm very pleased we finally closed the boyfriend loophole, but we know that there are many gun issues that remain. we talked about choice. and what this means to americans. and the road map laid out by clarence thomas that he's not done, that they're going to take on contraception, gay marriage and the fact that you have a bunch of judges that could not be more conservative and then finally our very democracy as the reverend knows, the fight for voting rights, the voter suppression we're going to see. these are all things that are real and fundamental to our democracy. you know, we all took an oath to protect and defend the constitution of the united states, that's what this election is going to be about. that's what january 6th commission there is about. so i do think that even though it's a midterm, these things are going to capture the imagination of the american people and they're going to vote in droves. >> all right. senator amy klobuchar, thank you so much. great having you with us on this

very important morning. >> it was wonderful to see you guys, thank you. >> great to see you as well. so claire mccaskill, you and senator klobuchar won in states that are rural, that have large stretches of rural areas, and you won. in missouri. she's still winning in minnesota. the question is what do democrats do to win more senate seats because when things like this happen, you often hear democrats go, oh, the entire process is rigged against us, the electoral system is rigged against us when just, i don't know, eight years ago, everybody in the media was talking about the blue wall, the insurmountable blue wall in the electoral college that would stop republicans from ever winning the presidency again. that changed quickly. how do democrats change it back?

>> i mean, it's complicated. this is a lot about grievance. it's a lot about grievance in rural america. what really happened in missouri, it wasn't that st. louis or kansas city quit delivering. a massive margin to what had really happened in missouri, it was not that st. louis quit delivering a massive margin to democrats in our state. what happened was the martins got a broader, bigger, and cast them like in rural parts of our state. you used to be able to win statewide if you got 40% of the vote, even 35% of the vote in rural counties. now, democrats get 20% in rural counties. what has to happen is democrats cannot give up on rural communities, they have to talk about healthcare. guess who are the women that are most in acted by this decision. they are poor women in rural

america, because of the trouble that is going to be required in the money that is required. these women already do not have health care, they already do not have nearby hospitals. they already do not have specialists or doctors, they have to take a day off of work that theot afford an hourly job to drive their child to a specialist in lewis or kansas city. this is really a problem with services in rural america, and the republican have pasted over that with a culture war, making it about the bathrooms, and mexicans taking your jobs. trying to make it all about you the other, the grievance, the anger, and they hate, instead of let's talk about what you need and how we can deliver it for you. they have to go out and do it, they cannot just talk about it. >> i have to ask, we can talk about republicans, but how do they allow this to happen.

if you are driving through rural areas and missouri, or driving through rural areas of the city, or rural areas in maine, you will still see trump signs up, it does not matter where you are, the democrats have completely lost in the areas that they should be doing the best in. it is republicans that are guiding medicaid, it is the republicans who are cutting rural healthcare. it is the republicans that are making their lives more difficult. yes, you can talk about the culture war, but this does not seem that hard. why are democrats so bad at winning the very people that should be voting for them? >> this is an age-old question. donald trump is a lot of the reason. rural missouri is drunk on drum . they love donald trump in rural missouri. they think that he is there guy.

he is one of the biggest liars that has ever walked the planet, he has the equity of a snail. he certainly does not have an intellectual capacity to lead the most powerful nation in the world, but he gets marketing. if he talked about all mexicans being rapist, he talked about how people were getting screwed over, and how he was the only guy who can save them. he was saying things that he was not supposed to say, which is exactly what these people want to hear. they have attached to him, they love him, and until trump is on base in rural america, the republicans will have trouble in some of the statewide races in places like wisconsin and pennsylvania. they are nominating people, even in my state the republicans running are totally down with government mandated pregnancy for rape victims. every single candidate running for the senate, for the united

states senate in missouri, a seat that has been held by democrats in the past, pro- choice democrats. i had voted against cavanagh, and, some votes are worth making. >> they are drunk on chump. >> insulting snails. >> he is a stupid liar, he is this, he is that -- it seems to me like a perfect candidate to beat. i hear a lot of whining frrigge and that is rigged against us, the electoral college is rigged against us. it's like -- you know, being on the field, and attacking the

game. they have to win. there is no choice. if you believe in pushing back on fascists who had tried to override that the government on the sixth, and if you believe that the state needs to enforce 13-year-old girls to have their rapists baby, and if you believe that a couple has a right to take contraception -- if you believe that adults have the right to do what consenting adults want to do, in the privacy of their own bedroom, there is not much of a choice. you have to stop whining and start winning instead. >> they are drunk on trump, so how do we sober them up. how do we sober them up? you tell them what is in their interest, and then you have people that they listen to. the local teachers, the local school board people. not people that set up drinking

lattes that deal with ideology and whine about what we can do to give a litmus test on who is progressive or not, and understand that america as we have known in the past 15 years is at risk. why are we shocked that a conman like trump would put a con man like cavanaugh on the supreme court? what did we think that we were going to get? someone honest and straight up? clarence thomas made it where he is because of racial equality, and having diversity. he got in there and he voted against it, and he goes everywhere but to deal with interracial marriage. you have clarence thomas, i will not call him a name. i was told to stop name-calling. he is the personification of

hypocrisy. we need to get into those areas and we need to suppose people that they will listen to. we mentioned senator susan collins, suggesting that she was misled by a justice cavanaugh, following the supreme court's decision to overturn roe versus wade. one of our next guests testified that cavanaugh's confirmation hearing back in 28 teen, and she had worn to then that women across the country could lose their constitutional right to abortion. melissa marie joins us ahead, on morning joe. we will be right back. back. (grandmother) excuse me! (young woman vo) some relationships get better with time. that's why i got a crosstrek. (avo) ninety-six percent of subaru vehicles sold in the last ten years are still on the road. (grandmother) i'm so glad you got a subaru. (young woman) i wonder who gave me the idea? (avo) love. it's what makes subaru, subaru.

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everything in my power in order to protect a woman writes in states where they face the consequences of the days decision. >> that was president biden's response to the supreme court overturning nearly 50 years of precedent. they struck down roe versus wade, and the decision sent tens of thousands of people into the streets this weekend in order to protest. many supporters of abortion rights have been critical of the president, and democrats in congress for not codifying roe before the ruling. new polling has shown the action by the high court is not in line with how the majority of americans feel about the issue. d3% of voters had said that they were against the court reversing the land decision. >> can we leave this up for a second ? for the whole, do you see that number? 30% of americans wanted roe

versus wade to be overturned. that is less than one in three american. right? here is the thing about that number, if you look, if you look at the gallup polling through the decades, that is what the number always is. sometimes it is 28%, sometimes it is at 33% to, but it is always less than one in the three american. one in three americans that want roe overturned. i find it extraordinary as we keep the number up that once again, the people inside of that building and the supreme court, across the street in congress, and right wing think tanks across washington d.c., they have effectively worked to turn our democratic institutions

, the constitutional republic into a nation, where -- the 30% are controlling how the rest of us live at. are you talking about guns? the 10%. the 6%. 90% of americans support universal background checks? less than 10% are opposed to them. then, republicans have figured out how to win. without the majority of americans. i have set it a go -- i have said it before, i will say it again. he joe biden, barack obama, hillary clinton, and al gore up there. only one election, republicans have only had more votes than

democratic presidential candidate in one election since 1992. yet, they dominate the united states supreme court. it is incredible. that's a jump in now and bring in the columnist of the daily beast. we also have the professor of the nyu school of law, melissa marie. she was a law clerk to justice sotomayor. she is a legal analyst. brad cavanaugh had warned that women across the country could lose their constitutional rights to have control over their own bodies and make their own decisions about reproductive rights that, in that of a centralized state. that is where we are now. let's hear what she said to them. >> we can make the protection of roe utterly meaningless 4

million of board hairy women because they make the procedure and accessible by putting it out of reach, by making it impossible, and making women drive hundreds of miles to obtain abortion care, making them wait hours and leave their jobs, and leaving families to access care. that is their constitutional right. >> that is the reality. americans had woken up to this on friday. i consider myself to be pro- life. i had a lot of considers that can better themselves to be pro- life. they look over the past five, six, seven years at the extreme laws in place by states, and i was shocked by how many calls i got from people who claim to be pro-life, who said that they were pro-life, who said this is frightening. they are part of the 63% that did not want roe to be overturned.

we awaken to the harsh reality that rape victims, incest victims, and so many other women will be forced by the centralized state to carry their rapist's baby to full term. >> that is exactly right, if you favor limited government, and small government, this is the antithesis of that, in order to be enforced that states will put on the books, to prohibit abortion entirely, there is no way to enforce this without intimate aspects of individual lives. it is what the 14th amend and had tried to stop, to limit the state from having that much say over the most intimate aspects of our life, and to be clear, they are not off the hook for this. we will see reproductive refugees going from state to state trying to find care that they cannot get. that will put pressure on access to care even in the states.

we will all feel the pinch of this, this goes to the state, and the supreme court decision makes it clear that that is not where it will stay. it is likely if congress changes hands, it will be a federal ban on abortion, and justice thomas should show everyone, looking forward to reconsidering same-sex marriage and contraception. >> when you talk about the great regression, that is where they will look at the past five years that they will talk about that. the voting right expansions since 1965, being reversed. the right of a woman to have control over her body, reproductive decisions being completely taken away. justice thomas was promising

that the court is now coming back on contraceptives, taking away the right for adults to have contraceptives, and taking away ridge equality rights, taking away the right of privacy for consenting adults in their own homes, in their own bedrooms. this is no longer protected by the constitution of the united states, despite what alito has claimed, they ripped this out of the constitution with the ruling on friday. that is the great recession. how much regression, how much worse can it get, david? >> it can get much worse, the justices have been put on the court, and they will likely be there for decades to come. we are seeing the beginning of the systematic reversal of decades and decades of american progress.

we have been moved into an era of forced birth. last week, they had dismantled an innovation that dates back to 1989. they will take power away from the government, you saw them go into the wild west days, in terms of gun control. as you said it, at the opening of the our, all of this is because they live and a minority ruled nation. that 30% on the court. by 2030 what we are going to see is the extreme radical views of that group of people, imposed on the rest of us, unless there is an

electoral awakening. unless something happens this november, where the majority starts saying no. it should not be a minority ruled nation. they start taking the back seat, and then we start codifying and to law he believes that we have evolved over 200 years in the country, so that the supreme court, this very small group of radical extremist cannot take the rights away from us. >> contentious legal battles, poised to erupt as lawmakers grapple with the new land scape of abortion access. on friday, the attorney general merritt carlin said the justice department strongly disagrees with the court's ruling, and, in a statement he said that this decision deals with a devastating blow to reproductive freedom in the united states. it will have an immediate and irreversible impact on a number of people across the country. it will be greatly disproportionate in its effect, with the greatest burden felt

by people of color and those of limited financial means. garland said that states cannot ban fda approved abortion, speaking about one fda approved drug. with the trigger laws kick again, 80 prosecutors from at least 29 states, and putting the gop let states had signed a joint statement saying that they would refuse to prosecute to those who are seeking, assisting or providing abortions. joining us is michigan's attorney general. where can be states do anything to help protect women's rights, and, specifically something like these pills, that are easily accessible for women in need that do not have the means to travel. >> in michigan, we are doing

everything that we possibly can do. the governor has filed a lawsuit, this is before todd activity came out against several county prosecutors. in all areas where abortion clinics existed, her effort is to try to get the 1931 law that makes abortion illegal no exception for rape or incest. it is a felony offense. not only does it extend to the provider, but also, depending on how you read it, it extends to the woman herself if they administer pills to herself, the abortion medication. whoever administers the pills, she is guilty of a felony offense in michigan. it talks about medication being

illegal. i cannot be prescribed. it cannot be taken by a woman. the owner has her lawsuit. there is a separate planned parenthood law. this momentum means that that nine 31 laws cannot be enforced, but, that is in the court of appeals right now. you know, the briefing is underway. in short order, the preliminary injunction could be lifted, in which case, prosecutors around the state would be free to import abortion laws. i indicated that i will not be investigating or prosecuting instances where licensed health professionals choose to perform this procedure, that is legal in our state for nearly 50 years now. other prosecutors however will

make a different decision. it is a very precarious situation here. >> again, again, the state of michigan with a law that is now on the books, because of the united states supreme court would have a forced birth for a young girl who is a victim of incest, or rape. the centralized state would force that. that forced birth. it is extraordinary that we are talking about this in 2022. i know you have a question for the attorney general. >> i think about this from the perspective from the average woman or girl, these states, the 26 that will change their laws. what are the attorney general was speaking about was a period, perhaps a period of many years, where states try to reform the law, lawsuits are

bribed, the supreme court has struck down some of those lawsuits. it is a legal welter, which is difficult for lawyers to understand what is applied where. if you are 16 years old, who is a rape victim of incest, or simply wants to move forward with their life, with rights that women have had for 50 years, how they figure it out? >> that is why i've inc. that people like myself, people like governor witmer, they are tenacious advocate, very outspoken. over the weekend, the largest healthcare provider, the largest system, it covers an incredibly large number of women who have their ob/gyn this capital system.

they went back and forth as to what their procedure would be. it was unclear to people exactly what would happen. we don't have an exception for medical emergencies. if you have a situation where a woman is diagnosed with complications, like high blood pressure. 40% are dying during childbirth. that would not be enough for a doctor to be able to perform an abortion. it seems as though the way that the law was drafted many years ago, there has to be a certainty that the woman will die, so, how do they know how to quantify that? does it have to be 80% chance that she will die? 90% chance?

it must be a 99% chance that the woman will die, and then what will happen is even in this medical emergencies, doctors will be so afraid. they will be afraid of losing their license to prep this, they will be afraid of losing their professional liability insurance. then they will be afraid of being charged and sent to jail, that they will not take the chance. women are going to die on the operating room table, because they have scared the hell out of these medical providers who do not know what they can and cannot do. it is very concerning, everything is up in the air. we have a ballot proposal, people earnestly select signatures for, and, if this passes, it will codify roe into our constitution. that will be the catalyst for us not to just have freedom for access to abortion, but birth control, and ivf, which would

be legal under this set of law. attorney general dana russell, thank you for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. professor murray, we were talking about women dying on the operating table. that is not just a scare tactic that is used by an elected official. i have read articles over the past six months about this happening in countries like poland, where doctors are frozen in fear, because of the antiabortion laws. they conduct procedures on women, and women are dying because of it. >> it is not just another countries, this is exactly the situation in the united states before roe versus wade was announced.

they argued that that legislators were making medical decisions when they licensed medical professionals from making these decisions. there is so much ambiguity that it it does indeed deter lawful unlicensed practices. they have said that they have restored this question to the state, so that there can be a democratic deliberation. as we have seen, many of these states including michigan are so gerrymandered, they are passing such suppressive voting laws is that the process of democratic deliberation will be difficult. it takes a lot for justice alito to say that he is returning this to the voters, when he writes the objection. >> take a state like wisconsin

that is gerrymandered, the supreme court refused hypocrisy is all around. we greatly appreciate you being with us this morning. are viewers really appreciated as well. i want to talk about an article i read in the washington post, and followed links to european and u.s. intelligence officials saying that the russians are close to the point of exhaustion . they are running out of weapon, and running out of missiles. they run out of fighters, and

obviously, ukraine is suffering some grievous losses themselves. if western supplies make her weigh in at a rapid rate it will turn the tide of the war. i am quite curious what your assessment is of the story. >> there is a lot of evidence supported, the losses that the russian had been an enormous. also, there is a lot of reporting that i suggested that the russian logistical supply lines are now depleted. the weapons that they have in reserve our old weapon or badly maintained weapons, where the reverse is true with ukraine. with ukraine, the united states and european countries are providing ukraine within evermore modern more capable set of weapons. we have seen that today. we just saw an announcement from the president that they will be provided with advance surface to air missile systems. we will enter a nato summit within the next few days, where nato is redoubling their support for ukraine.

i think that that may tip the scales, particularly after several weeks, where in the eastern ukraine you have seen the russian advances. however, none of that is to say that this is going to be a short war that ukraine will be able to and did quickly. russia is a big army, and they are willing to sustain huge losses. they really want to fight the war of attrition. so, the wind may be at ukraine's back a little bit, but we are going to be talking about this for many months to come. >> author and columnist of the daily beast, thank you for being on this morning. we will have much more on the war in ukraine, as russia launches strikes on the ukrainian capital of kyiv. we recently sat down with president volodymyr zelenskyy,

and we have what he had to say about russia's ongoing attacks, and what a victory would look like for ukraine, and the world. we also have the latest from germany as president biden meets with the seven leaders, what the global leaders are saying about the abortion ruling here at home. you are watching morning joe. we will be right back. back. ♪♪ three times the electorlytes and half the sugar. ♪♪ pedialyte powder packs. feel better fast.

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i have heard from women around the world, this is devastating. they asked me what we can do. i have two words, please vote. it was winston churchill who said that democracy is the worst form of government, except for all of the other ones that have been tried. the same might be said for the

democratic party. they managed to get the most votes and lose the most elections, but they need more. even when they win they lose. it could be argued that today's democrats are too woke, too elitist, too disconnected, but, the democratic party is the world's last best hope. extreme anti-gay, antiwoman, anti-contraception collection of fascist to dominate the trampling of today's republican party. a group of fascists who refused to investigate the violin riots that their president launched on january 6th to overthrow a legitimately elect the president. why? because they are fascists. now they are claiming control over your body, your health,

your life. they have promised that they are coming to take away your birth control pill and to call trumps republican party and supreme court extreme, that's an understatement of the danger the institutions posed to american freedom, and our democracy. they are fascists. they have contempt for what 70% of americans believe about the roe versus wade. what 90% believe about universal background checks are, and what you believe about your right to control your own body and your own life. what does donald trumps america look like? i described it there, in reality it looks like a 13-year- old rape and incest victim, being ordered by the state to have a forced birth of her rapists baby. that is where wear2022.

for all the democratic party's flaws, the continued rise of fascism. an overwhelming majority that can protect your body, protect your freedom, and may save our country. >> former attorney harry littman, a presidential historian, member of the new york times editorial board, and michigan state center, mallory nick morrow is the issue of abortion heads back to the states, where the battles are being waged. in constitutional law, we have a supreme court that takes away a right that 70% of americans want to keep.

then to say that we are coming after contraception next, we are coming after gay marriage next to, i don't even think that there has been enough reporting of this. even saying that they will come after what consulting adults do in their bedroom. this court, they say that they are coming after what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms next. >> there is nothing to stop them. it has been 50 years of roe where doesn't and dozens of justices have upheld it, it has always been egregiously wrong. a constitutional step shot. why is that? in the 18th century, sometimes

we made a criminal. well, what about same-sex marriage? what about contraception. it is true of all of these things. what the court says in this opinion is that we are not talking about those things today, but in the supreme court they need a reason. the reason why they are trying to give that to row is egregiously wrong does not hold up at all, because they apply to all of the things that you are talking about. there is very little reason for thinking that today will not be going that direction. all that has to happen is in and told and read state passes the law, and then it comes up to the court. if they apply this decision, in the same way they are supposed to, that is what a court does. now we are stuck in the same way. v assurances that everything else is off the table, and this is just some egregiously wrong stretch out, it does not make sense to people who think about constitutional law. >> it did not make sense when alito wrote it in the late

opinion, and clarence thomas let us know that there's a reason why it does not make sense because it is not where the court ended up. thomas said that we are coming after marriage equality next, we are coming after what adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom next. we are coming after contraception next. senator, the battle comes to the states. i think that what is so remarkable to so many american, because the supreme court lifted the protection that has been in ct for half a century, now you have states that will require 13-year-old girls, victims of rape, victims of incest, they are going to be compelled by the state to bring their rapists baby to birth. what are you planning to do in michigan? what does the future look like for young women? for all women? >> it is true, i want to share a personal thread, those are

egregious examples. then there are stories like mine. after i gave birth to my daughter, i had an iud placed, and then it punctured through my uterus. i had to be scheduled for a leprous copy to have it removed. without access to an abortive procedure, i may not be here right now. i have talked to women and families all over the state about how hard it is to become pregnant, how often people miscarry. it is forced pregnancy regardless of what your doctor thinks, regardless of the situation that you find yourself in, the ramifications and shaking, the nine team 31 law on the books that makes providing abortion a felony, by a minimum of four years in prison. right now, the republicans would like to go further and make that a 10 year penalty.

they want to have it both ways. they say we do not want to go back to the 1931 law. we don't want to send doctors to jail. we don't want to send girls to die. yet, they are doing nothing. i have introduced a bill to pass the reproductive health act into law in the state of michigan to codify abortion access, but they don't want to take that up. we have never had a debate, now it is too late this is the law on our books. live reporting from pete williams, who knows the high court, as well as anyone that we will talk about how the justices see their role, and each other, just ahead on morning joe. morning joe.

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we turn from the supreme court to the ongoing fight in ukraine. nbc news chief correspondent richard engel filed this report. >> russia carried out one of their most coordinated and intense bombings in weeks across ukraine this weekend. >> reporter: this includes cruise missile strikes in kyiv, where an apartment building was hidden. authorities say that a seven-year-old girl was pulled from the rubble, her father, killed. president putin is bombing the capital as a reminder that russia still threatens all of ukraine. they have piled up the war on command. ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy told us in an interview in collaboration with the aspen ideas festival that president is trying to draw a wedge between ukraine and the west. >> facing russia one-on-one, i

understand that it is going to be difficult for us, and we will not be able to hold out. support is of paramount importance. support from europe and the united states. >> what is victory look like for you? how does the war end? >> the war will end for sure. i'm sure it will end with ukraine winning. whatever happened. no matter how difficult this is for us, we must oust the occupiers. for as long as we can, we will do that. that is our life. that is our path. >> there are reports and rumors, that vladimir putin is sick. the kremlin denies it, but there are reports that he has shakes and cancer. do you know anything? what you believe? is he sick? >> to be frank, i do not know. i believe that they are very

sick in general. very sick with over infectious ambitions, overambitious ambitions, and no respect to international law. no respect towards people's lives. that was richard engel, reporting. one of our next guest is moving fast in order to shore up abortion rights in his state. illinois governor jb pritzker is standing by, he joined the situation just ahead on morning joe. joe. insights illuminate better choices. allowing us to see differently and do more. with kpmg you have the people and technologies, to uncover insights and turn them into action. when we act on insight, with the right people by our side, opportunity is everywhere.

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brought to a halt. that is according to a new western intelligence assessment that was obtained by the washington post. the paper reports that a senior official had said there will come a time when tiny advances that russia is making the, unsustainable in light of the cost. they will need a significant pause in order to regenerate their capability. the official had also said that russia's creeping advantages are dependent and entirely on the expenditure of vast quantities of ammunition. notably, artillery shells that are fired at a rate almost no military in the world would be able to sustain for long. according to another senior official, the minor territorial gains that are currently being notched by russia are less sick thinking fan the overall talent have power on the battlefield. joining us from austria, the host of way too early, jonathan lanier. >> it is quite a backdrop.

i liken the end of the segment to idolize. before we get there, the interesting reporting from the washington post, quoting not only boris johnson, but russian military analysts, saying that they are simply going to run out of missiles. they cannot continue the fighting forever, but the question really is whether or not the west will step up, and continue the flow of arms out of the ukrainians in a way that will allow them push back the slight russian advances. what are you hearing? >> there are a number of topics at g7, right over the mountains and across the border in germany, from where i am standing including global inflation. the war in ukraine is front of mind. world leaders have gathered here , i received a video address

from the president volodymyr zelenskyy, are urging to continue their support. that means keep sending us weapons. the u.s. for their part is going to do so, announcing that they will have more missiles heading towards the ukrainian forces. the president, president biden is pushing his peers to do the same. in a meeting with the german chancellor, he had really stressed the need to focus on this, in order to continue to supply ukraine with weapons and the money that they need to hold up the russian forces. there is a lot of chatter about the east and the donbass region. it is pretty slow, in terms of russian progress. the ukrainians are taking losses and they are fearful that they will be running out of weapons. they are urging the west, and the allies to resupply them as soon as possible so that they are well-positioned to take advantage of it if russia begins attacking with their own munitions. >> has president biden expressed any concern from his

advisers about germany and france's commitment, that they are dragging their feet and getting their weapons to the ukrainians, or do they feel like those countries are now c will fulfill their promise to do so. the french president macron and the british prime minister boris johnson has-s having best time of anyone at the summit, they had a separate meeting saying their two countries were unite and helping keep with their weapons. the germans have been slower to do so which is why they were so keen to get president biden the audience with the german chancellor yesterday. they're more hopeful the germans will follow through with their commitment to do just that. but there are other factors as well. considering a tap on the price of russian oil, trying to choke off a steady stream of revenue for putin and his war machine.

the g7 coming to an agreement to do but with a lot to still be worked out and it is unclear if they could get china and india to go along. they're still buying a lot of russian energy. and this is on the back drop of global inflation and a fear that some of the western nations will be left inclined to continue to pour money into ukraine for the last months considering the dismal economic portions at home. >> michael beschloss, you wrote presidents of war. i'm curious how is joe biden faring that we've had several phases of this war, obviously, and we seem to be move into a more grinding war of attrition. how is the united states president doing? >> well i think it is going well in making sure that the american people understand what is at stake and support is an american effort to support the ukrainians. if we were sitting here a year

ago and someone had said russia is going to attack ukraine, what do you think is going to happen, i'm sure you and mika would have been much wiser than i would have been. i would have said, there is a very good chance that russia is going to conquer much of ukraine pretty quickly. plus a lot of americans might just say this is not our struggle, those who are not ukrainian americans may say we don't even know much about ukraine. what biden has done is he's able been able to make sure that americans know that this is not just ukrainians at stake, it is freedom of the whole world and he's done diplomatically, perhaps nato might not be united on the side of helping ukraine. putin was advised and took the bad advice in thinking a lot of divisions in nato, they'll all fight with each other and they'll break up if there is any effort to have unity on ukraine,

all of that was wrong. nato is united and i guarantee you when the historian is looking at this 50s from now, and looking at what joe biden did behind the scenes, this doesn't just happen spontaneously. >> coming up, live to the white house as the biden administration braces for the fallout from the supreme court's decision on abortion. will the ruling galvanize democrat this is fall or have the opposite effect? "morning joe" is coming right back. l or have the opposite effect? "morning joe" is coming right back

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♪♪ welcome back to "morning joe." it is the top of the fourth hour of "morning joe." just before 9:00 a.m. on the east coast, 6:00 a.m. out west. reverend al sharpton is still with us. we have a lot to get to this hour. latest on the continuing fallout on the monumental decision by the supreme court to overturn roe v. wade. we'll get a live report from the white house on how president biden is preparing to combat the extreme and dangerous path this court is taking us on now. in a moment we'll hear from j.d. pritzker of illinois of how his state plans to, quote, fight back, including his call for a special legislative session in the coming weeks. this as his state prepares to receive up to 30,000 women from nabing states seeking abortions. also ahead, reaction from wall street as multiple u.s. companies vow to expand health

benefits to cover employee travel expenses to obtain abortions. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin joins us to break it all down. but we start with the heated debate over the weekend following the supreme court's ruling. tens of thousands rallied all across the country. on both sides of the issue. and there are more events planned in the days ahead. nbc news correspondent jesse kirsch has more. >> reporter: this morning emotions still raging about the roe v. wade reversal. >> they can't decide on our right to choose what we want to do with our health care, with our reproductive health care. it is messed up. >> we're over joyed by today's decision. >> reporter: one of the latest mass protests against the ruling during new york city pride. >> i feel happen. >> >> reporter: planned

parenthood dicked off the march after -- should all be revisit and over ruled. >> i'm happy that people feel that they could come out here and show support. >> after friday's ruling, crowds both dismayed and thrilled grew outside of the fenced off supreme court. >> if they continue well beyond the nation's capitol with thousands marches in the street. >> they jammed new york city traffic for hours and others blocking a los angeles freeway. on friday a truck hit and injured someone. while in arizona, authorities say groups tried breaking into the state capitol with the legislators still in session, as state troopers deployed tear gas and in l.a. during a protest, full house star jody suitin was pushed to the ground by policech and in rhode island, h