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believed to be the deadliest smuggling tragedy in recent u.s. history, the death toll has risen to at least 51 people after they were found in and around a truck in the scorching texas heat trapped inside with nowhere, no water. >> and later this hour, we'll break down some of the dangers that lgbtq plus migrants face around the globe. and we begin this hour with those capitol hill shock waves, a top aide to former president trump's chief of staff mark meadows testified before members of congress that the president knew his supporters on january 6th were armed and on route to the capitol, but didn't care. cassidy hutchinson recalled the president saying quote they're t here to hurt me. she also detailed the president's rage when he was stopped from joining them on their march to the capitol.

>> the president said something to the effect of i'm the effing president, take me up to the capitol now. >> hutchinson also had a lot to say about former white house counsel pat cipollone who was one of the many voices urging the president not to join the crowd marching to capitol hill. she says cipollone told her quote we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable. i want to bring in our team. cohost of sisters-in-law podcast, and michael steele, the committee really wants to hear from pat cipollone. what are you hearing about how hard they're pushing to try to get him to testify? >> jose, they have been pushing for weeks now on pat cipollone, publicly in multiple hearings now saying they would like to hear from him, and yesterday's testimony from cassidy

hutchinson gives us a lot more insight into why. cipollone was atop the white house counsel's in meetings with top doj officials, as well as the chief of staff and the president himself. hutchinson yesterday detailing some of those conversations that she had with cipollone where he told her that he was concerned about the legal ramifications of what it would mean for the former president to come to the hill, despite the fact that he really wanted to do so, and of course conversations he had with mark meadows, at one point in hutchinson's words, cipollone warned if they didn't do more to stop at the capitol, they would have blood on their hands. liz cheney in a tweet, again, imploring cipollone to come forward, in part saying as we heard yesterday, cipollone had significant concerns regarding trump's january 6th activities. she says it's time for cipollone to testify on the record, any concerns he has about the institutional interests of his prior office are outweighed by the need for his testimony which

he's talking about there about the institutional interests is the fact that there are probably executive privilege claims around what cipollone can talk to the committee about. it's something we have seen others in the president's orbit exercise. they are arguing here that cipollone can ask for those to be waved and the current white house, the biden administration has said that those executive privilege concerns are waived and this is tied up in court on a few other prevents, one of the things that might prevent him from testifying. they are in conversation with him in hopes of trying to get more for them. yesterday is a clear reason why. >> and michael, i was just wondering, you know, yesterday there were so many moments that were really jaw dropping. what were your take aways from yesterday? >> it was a popcorn afternoon, let me tell you, man. i was just sitting there, revelation after revelation, going holy hell, what, you know,

you just -- you can't believe it, from the, you know, insistence to get up to the hill, telling secret service to take down the magnetometers that would catch people coming in with weapons. now we know why there was the bullet proof glass in front of the president for that event, which is unusual in that type of setting because they will have, you know, source the crowd and know that it was safe, but they knew it wasn't safe because there were people in there with weapons because the president wanted them to have weapons. then the episode with the driver, with his secret service driver trying to commandeer the vehicle. there's discrepancy about that, but all the more reason for those people with that kind of insight and knowledge to come forward. i don't understand the cipollone narrative at this point. i don't understand the committee's approach to him at this point, you know, get him

there because he's a clear lynch pin in this narrative, and, you know, this idea of executive privilege doesn't apply. this idea that you're not going to cooperate. you've got the constitutional right to the 5th. you've seen that play out. get him in front of the committee to finish out the rest of the narrative. >> and kim, i'm just wondering, there's been some push back to hutchinson's testimony, and michael was referring to some of the things that she said some pushback has been, i mean, a close source to the secret service now pushing back on her story that trump wanted to go to the capitol so badly that he lunged for the steering wheel of the limo or the neck of the driver, and now a spokesperson for former white house lawyer eric herschmann says a note shown yesterday in the hearing that hutchinson said she wrote was actually written by him. congressman raskin brushed these discrepancy aside on "morning joe." listen to what he had to say

this morning. >> nobody is challenging the central material facts of her testimony that donald trump and mark meadows were perfectly aware that there were armed people in the crowd and that donald trump wanted to wave them in in order to swell the force of that crowd which he then aimed like a missile at the u.s. capitol. >> just your thoughts on that. i mean, the overall point that she was making, is that strong enough to withstand these pressures? >> yeah, so a couple of points on that. first of all, michael is exactly right that the key to this is getting all of the relevant witnesses before the committee so that the committee can vet all of their testimony. she was testifying under oath about what she was told. still, overall, her testimony seemed very credible to me. secondly, even under nbc's own reporting about the discrepancy, there's no discrepancy that

trump was angry, that he wanted to go to the capitol. the other parts aren't as important, i was watching this hearing yesterday while reading the text of relevant statutes, including inciting an insurrection, including seditious conspiracy, including intimidation of witnesses. and seeing based on just yesterday alone that testimony it seems that there would be evidence of all of those things on the part of the president. also keep in mind, the committee, this isn't just based on one person's words. the committee has been interviewing hundreds of witnesses, amassing an untold amount of documentary evidence to surround all of this. i highly doubt that folks like liz cheney and the other committee members, very skilled investigators, former prosecutors will put a witness before the nation without knowing that they had some other goods there as well. i do also believe that cipollone needs to testify. he should know better than most

that the way to assert executive privilege is to show up to the committee and assert it to questions, not just to not show up. >> then there's the issue about accusations of witness tampering. cheney shows two examples of witnesses sharing details of people trying to sway their testimony, could that change the justice department's approach? >> it should. again, i was reading that statute as well, as a federal crime to intimidate in an official proceeding including congressional hearings. that is something that the doj should be looking very carefully at in this case, it seemed that that too, if that is proven is a clear-cut reason to at least open an investigation, if not commune a grand jury. >> there's one more moment i want to play where the committee played part of the video testimony from michael flynn. this was congresswoman cheney questioning him. take a look. >> do you believe the violence on january 6th was justified

morally? do you believe the violence on january 6th was justified legally? >> no. >> general flynn, do you believe in the peaceful of transition of power in the united states of america? >> the fifth. >> so the fifth, i guess it's just -- michael, what were your thoughts when you saw that. >> you don't want to incriminate yourself to answering the question about a peaceful transfer of power. that tells me how corrupt you are. the fact that you can't answer. i get the constitutional right to plead the 5th and i appreciate all of that, but some questions are just so damn easy and so with respect to the constitutional value of transfer

of power, peaceful transfer of power that we have seen executed in this country for over 240 yards, i have no opinion on that. i don't want to incriminate myself. how dumb do you sound and how guilty do you sound with respect to a larger conspiracy around trying to overthrow the government to secure for donald trump an election that he had lost. so that, to me, was very -- a very compelling moment, and again, it just goes to the fact that cipollone and others who had this evidence now have to come in and fill in those lines. i agree so much with kim. she put it right on the point that this team of investigators and this committee are not going to put ms. hutchinson out there and just dangle something out that can be easily refuted, easily disposed of and turned into a political, we're going to

confirm them. it's better for you if you're part of the confirmation than us to drop this amble on your head like they have already done. >> what's the latest on ginni thomas? >> we thought that she was going to go before the committee. she had seemed to say in an interview that she was open and looking forward to clearing up some of the confusion around the role that she may have allegedly played in talking with potentially talking with false slates of electors, and john eastman. her lawyer is back to the committee saying that they need more information about where ginni thomas fits in in relation to their legislative purpose as a committee. and that piece of -- that turn of phrase, i think, is really important here because the legislative purpose line is something we have heard from conservatives who don't want to go before this committee many times before. it might not strike anyone as

something that's combative in any way, but to me, that's them saying we don't know why they would want to have ginni thomas here, though, of course, we who have been following along with this know very well why they might want to talk to ginni thomas, and why she's someone who's important for the committee to speak to. the other thing i will say, clearly they're still doing interviews and getting more information, yesterday i asked congressman raskin, that you guys could pop up a hearing at any moment. he left the door open because they are in the midst of an active investigation but still very much on the clock because as we were talking last hour, august kind of seems the cut off for a lot of these things from a legal sense because the midterms are looming then in november and we know the ramifications that the midterms have on this committee in particular. so they have always been against the clock, and it strikes me that chairman thompson yesterday in closing out the hearings seemed to put out that blanket plea again to anyone who the committee may have already spoken to but basically saying,

hey, if you remember something that you didn't guess to with us or if you haven't spoken to us and you see the courage of a former colleague sitting in front of us, they are still opening to getting that testimony. the investigation, the active investigation, is still very much going on even as the hearings are. >> ali vitali, kim kimberly atk stohr. thank you very much. what's the administration's plan. hhs secretary xavier becerra will be with us live to talk about that. >> and it's believed to be the deadliest case of human smuggling in modern u.s. history. what we know about the dozens of victims who died in that truck in san antonio. and what's next in the investigation. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." igation. you're watching "jose you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports.mean, "ride, but "bikers"...is really cool.

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>> ukraine's prosecutor general told us they are investigating this as a potential crime against humanity. for many this attack is a reminder, fighting in the east, it intensifies every day. there is heavy street fighting, just constant shelling, but in ukraine, war is everywhere. every community is impacted, and this is a reminder of daily life. ellison barber, nbc news. >> i thank ellison for that report. we're going to take a short break and be right back. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports.

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becerra. it's always a pleasure to see you. i thank you for being with us this morning. you were in missouri taking part in a round table on abortion with congresswoman cori bush last friday when the decision came down. i'm just wondering what it was like in the room when the news came. missouri is a state that has a trigger law. >> jose, thanks for having me, you're right, i was there with congresswoman bush, we had just finished a session at planned parenthood site, the last remaining abortion care provider in missouri, as the news was announced that the supreme court had stripped away the rights of women under roe v. wade to receive the health care that they need. solemn moment, tears started to erupt. people understood the consequences, and quickly those consequences became real because the state's law in missouri was triggered and that meant that

immediately thereafter that provider, planned parenthood of missouri, was no longer able to schedule appointments for a number of women. >> secretary, give us more information about the steps that the federal government is taking now? >> so we're looking at everything we can do from the federal level. once again, this decision by the supreme court as despicable as it is doesn't completely eliminate the opportunity for the woman to access the care that she needs. it makes it much more difficult in certain places. what we're going to do is make sure we use every leverage and authority we have to try to help every woman in america access the health care, including abortion care that they might need. might be more difficult. that doesn't mean they don't have options. >> even with the steps you laid out yesterday, you said we're keeping every option on the table. what other steps are you looking at possibly taking that you have

not already announced. >> again, let's be clear. contraception care is available. birth control, if you want to get birth control, you should be able to do that. medication abortion, still available in many different ways. it might be more difficult for some women, but medication abortion is there. if you have an emergency circumstance and you go to the emergency, and it might involve the need for abortive care services, that's available to you under federal law. if you are a medicaid recipient, if you are trying to make sure you access family planning services, you are still entitled to receive information, training, and so forth on family planning, and so there are things we can do. we can do everything to protect your privacy, your private health information so it's not shared unnecessarily. we will do everything we can to protect providers, doctors who are offering reproductive care services to women. we're going to continue to do what we can, we will explore

everything we can do and working with the department of justice, we'll make sure we're trying to protect the rights of women to access reproductive health care services. >> secretary, i want to kind of hone in on what you said about boosting access to abortion medication. the federal government regulates medication, but you have a number of states trying to ban that. how can the federal government ensure access to this medication in places that maybe will have a state ban of that? >> well, that's why it's so important that people understand what the dobbs decision does and doesn't do, because we don't want people to believe that certain rights that they have are no longer around. we want to make sure it's clear what dobbs did, and what it didn't do because we don't want people to act in ways against their own health interest, if they don't have to. we want to get as much

information out as possible. we have a web site, reproductiverights.gov, please log on to the web site to find out information, be directed to the right people, and get the right advice. >> secretary on another issue of importance, your department announced yesterday that it will be giving states doses of a newer vaccine against the monkeypox virus from the federal stockpile. what exactly is that and how focused are you on this specific issue? >> we've dealt with monkeypox before. it is in bigger numbers than we've seen in the past. but we've dealt with it. that's why we've got vaccines. that's why we've got tests. that's why we've got treatment. what we need is the support, health and cooperation of the public so we know that for those people who are most susceptible to getting monkeypox, most at risk, that they come forward, get tested and if necessary, get vaccinated or treated. what we want to do is target the

support that we have, and so our most immediate concern is to make sure we provide vaccines where they're most needed and make sure we stop the spread, and we will make sure that americans have access to the treatments, the vaccines that they need, but we need the public to help us by stepping forward. >> secretary becerra, it's a pleasure to see you, i thank you very much for your time this morning. up next, the latest on the devastating tragedy in san antonio, where at least 51 people are dead after they were abandoned in a big rig without water, without air, former san antonio mayor, castro is here on the community's response to that and a whole lot more. you're watching jose diaz-balart reports. you're watching jose diaz-balart reports.

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history. telemundo captured images of shoes left scattered along the road where this deadly journey ended. the truck driver and two other suspects to be behind the operation are now in custody. mexico's president saying today the driver of the truck tried to pretend he was a survivor. nbc news has not yet independently confirmed that claim. joining us now, nbc's, guad, you're in eagle pass, a lot of people pass the rio grande before making it into the united states, and where governor abbott is expected to hold a press conference today. what can we expect? >> reporter: the governor was quick to react yesterday using social media to attack president biden and making him responsible for those who died in the cargo truck. we know in the past greg abbott has criticized the biden administration for their response at the border the way they have handled the influx of

migrants during the pandemic. so now he's called for a press conference here in eagle pass, right across from mexico where a lot of migrants have been crossing into the u.s. we expect him to make some comments of what's happening. now, what he has said to announce his press conference is that he would inform on what they call the crisis at the border. you know, local officials have criticized the governor because as they were focusing on helping the victims, those in hospitals and even identifying the dead, the governor was attacking the federal government. here's part of a press conference offered by local county officials yesterday. >> the governor of the great state of texas has once again politicized this horrific tragedy by taking to twitter and placing the blame on others for his failures. while bodies were still being removed and others being taken to local hospitals, he chose to

be heartless and point the finger. shame on our governor. >> reporter: the governor is expected to speak at 2:00 p.m. local time here in eagle pass, texas, as we wait for more official information from american authorities. as you mentioned, the mexican president during his press conference shared some details of those that have been detained. we're waiting to get more confirmation from american authorities and hsi who's conducting the investigation, jose. >> and guad, you have covered this story for so many years. i keep thinking about the men, the women, the children that died and that are dying on a daily basis. a few people die every day in the river that's behind you. this is a reality that has been continuing and yet it seems as though the difficulties that mi

grants have having to go through have been amplified by the real lack of any concrete specific immigration policy that can help people to at least know how and when and where they can request asylum. >>. >> jose, it's complex issue. on one end, the mexican president has requested from american officials that they reform immigration, that they give away visas to a lot of these people who come into the country and find work anyways so he's been asking for more visas for workers. meanwhile with the current immigration policies in place, we have title 42 and certain exemptions being given to migrants who arrive that request asylum. we spoke to a migration expert who told us that people from mexico and central america are taking more risks to get in the country, risks like going into

this cargo trailer. when you look at the number dead, the majority are mexico, some from honduras, some from guatemala, the migrants that experts told us are taking risks and losing their lives because they want to turn themselves in under the current policies. you have migrants from other countries, socialist countries like nicaragua, venezuela, who will cross and turn themselves in because they are granted the opportunity to seek asylum, but again, all of these policies are just all over the place, and the migrants are just taking more risks to try to enter the country. people have asked for immigration reform for everyone, something that could help with what's happening at the border, a crisis that we know has worsened because of the pandemic and the number of people that have left places in central and south america to come to the u.s. >> you spoke with the arch bishop from san antonio who spoke with victims from the hospital. what did you learn. >> the arch bishop was so

devastated by the people that he met. he went to several hospitals to visit with as many patients as he could. as many of the survivors and basically just about everyone he tried to meet with was intubated and not able to communicate in some cases, was told they were nonresponsive. he did spend about -- he told me he spent about 20 minutes with a young woman who, praying over her and just as he left the room, was trying to leave the room, he took one look back and at that time, she opened her eyes and he saw this as, you know, obviously a good sign, and he was very happy, and, you know, was able to get a little nod from her that she was from guatemala. he also said he met with a young girl, trying to verify who she was, and that she was one of the survivors. he said she was 6 years old, and told him that she was able to communicate. he really talked a lot about the abandonment of these people and

just the larger idea that immigrants themselves are basically abandoned and that this -- the people behind this truck basically saw this human life as easy to discard, and he was really just upset by it. i mean, his gentle soft voice broke with so much emotion over this. he was very upset about how the governor responded, that the first tweet from the governor was not just compassion for humanity that was lost, particularly coming so soon after in texas we lost so many young children in the school shooting, and he was upset with the governor for not just focusing on the loss of humanity, at least on the first day, and then just assigning blame. >> the arch bishop who also was with the families of the victims of that horrible massacre in uvalde as well. i thank you very much for being with us this morning, and for

more on this, i'm joined by julian castro, served as secretary of housing and urban development. he's now an msnbc political analyst. it's always a pleasure to see you. as someone from san antonio, you know, when you hear of this tragedy, it looks like these people were put into this truck, you know, crossing the border, and then 150 miles up, i'm thinking, suzanne was talking about just the abandonment of human beings, of people. >> it's heartbreaking. in the community in san antonio you've seen this outpouring of compassion, a sense of sadness, the arch bishop, as she mentioned, not only to the hospital to visit the survivors but to the site itself. elected officials, charities throughout the community. because san antonio, because it's at the intersection of

i-35, which comes up from the border and then hits i-10, which goes east and west, it has been for a long time a major corridor for this kind of smuggling: this is not by any means the first time that we have seen this kind of incident. this is most number of people who have passed away, unfortunately, but we see it under democrat administrations, republican administrations and it goes back to the point that guad was talking about earlier which is this schizophrenic immigration policy that we have in place, the regime that we have in place. >> why is that? why is it that there just can't be some clarity because when there is confusion and obfuscation, the victims of that are people that have no voice and that can be -- just can die of heat in the back of a truck. why is it so difficult for there to be clarity?

>> because i think that this is one of the most emotionally charged issues on the american political landscape, if not the most charged issue, and it's hard in a time especially when our country is so polarized where people have very strong opinions, and politicians, especially i would suggest on the right, have used this issue as a red meat issue to their base to get elected election after election. it's difficult in that environment to make any progress. if there's hope, jose, i think that it's that the biden administration has pushed forward to try and repeal title 42 that's being held up by courts, but now they can go through the administrative procedures to undo title 42. that's important because that's causing immense desperation, more desperation than usual, and people taking more risks like getting into this kind of

18-wheeler with a hundred other people and risking death in this way. in the long-term, though, the work that vice president harris is doing to try and create more opportunity for people to find at home in these northern triangle countries a lot of these folks were from el salvador and honduras. try and ensure that people can find safety and opportunity and a decent life in their home country, that's also important for the long-term. unfortunately, you know, we see tragedies like this, and people get worked up about it, but we need to translate this into the actual policy change and let our compassion drive us toward that. >> yeah, and you know, there are a lot of folks in there, the majority from mexico as well, and they're, you know, they share a border with our country, and yet they're not exactly

oftentimes the leader of human rights, treating migrants coming through their country. julian castro, always a pleasure to see you. thank you. >> good to see you. tomorrow is the final decision day for the supreme court's current term. we'll break down two big cases that are left and what could be major decisions on immigration and the environment. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." watching diaz-balart reports. there's a monster problem and our hero needs solutions. so she starts a miro to brainstorm. “shoot it?” suggests the scientists. so they shoot it. hmm... back to the miro board. dave says “feed it?” and dave feeds it. just then our hero has a breakthrough. "shoot it, camera, shoot a movie!"

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50 minutes past the hour, the justices prepare to issue the final decisions of the court's term tomorrow. pete williams with what they were. >> the big one, jose, the circuit court scaling back the ruling two years ago that blocked the state authorities in oklahoma from prosecuting some crimes on native american land. the court says oklahoma shares jurisdiction at the federal government for crimes committed on reservations by non-native americans against native victims. it's a big victory for republicans in the state that wanted that overturned ruling it doesn't overturn it but limits it. the attorney general says it's a

good ruling for the elect of the ability to safeguard oklahomans in that state. tomorrow, we'll get the final decisions of this term, jose, and that includes a decision on whether the biden administration acted properly in trying to cut back or stop the migrant protection protocol, the remain in mexico program that requires people who are coming into the u.s. to wait in mexico for their asylum hearings and get a big ruling on the environmental protection agency to restrict greenhouse gas emissions from power plants. those will be the last two decisions tomorrow is the last day of the term, jose. >> pete williams, look forward to that. thank you very much. lgbtq plus people around the world are targeted just for existing. next, a look at the challenges lgbtq plus migrants face and their countries on their journey to the u.s. and once they enter this country. you're watching "jose diaz

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55 past the hour, every day people across our world are forced to leave their countries because they see no futureselve. for lbgtq plus people they are forced to leave because breathing on this earth makes them a target. this is true for trans people just living their lives being who they are makes them a target to violence, sexual assault, arrests and deaths on the streets and in their own homes. we'll shine a light on what lgbtq plus people face. joining us is senior attorney in immigration cases with lgbtq plus migrants. thank you for being with us. what do people that identify as lgbtq plus face in their countries and what do they face

as they decide to leave where they are from because the simple act of existing puts their life in jeopardy? >> sure. so migrants and particularly lgbtq migrants are experiencing suffering from childhood and kids start to see a persecution with their families 5 or 6 years old and realize children are different. you see beatings, it can go as far as rape. it's horrible. when children manage to escape families, they're often forced to sex work or elicit actiiies because a lot of people won't hire someone that appears to be gay or trans. they face the persecution of gangs, police, they feel free to target lbgtq people because they

don't have standing in society and know there will be no repercussions for it. crimes against lgbtq people largely go uninvestigated and when investigated, the investigations tend to be dropped, not prosecution or convictions. hate crime laws almost don't exist for lgbtq people the way they are here. when people finally manage to flee their countries, what they're seeing on the trip to the united states is perhaps even more horrific than what many others experience coming in caravans and things like that because lgbtq people face more violence on the route. we're talking about sexual assault, beatings, extortion, and this targeting, again, happens because they're seen as being gay, queer, trans and the people that want to harm them, again, security forces, mexican immigration, even just people in society make it impossible for even the transit to happen

because people are getting harmed on the path as well. >> it's almost as if -- sorry, it's almost as if they are victimized over and over and over again and they continue to be those that for many are invisible and it's like such a difficult reality. i'm just wondering, sarah, is there something that the united states could be doing or should be doing differently vis-a-vis this issue with the border? >> so, i would start with actually applying exceptions for trans and lgbtq people for title 4 42. before title 42 was put into place, there were certain exceptions for lgbtq people for the remain in mexico program and many were pulled into the united states or taken into custody because conditions on the

boarder for lgbtq people are even more unsafe. >> yeah, those are issues we need to keep shining a light on. thank you for being with us this morning. appreciate your time. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz balart. follow the show online. thank you for the privilege of your time. anita hill joins andrea mitchell next, that's when andrea mitchell reports starts. go ahead day, everyone. this is "andrea mitchell reports from washington." hutchinson's explosive allegations detailing former president trump's knowledge on the morning of the 6th some of the supporters were indeed armed before the attack on the capitol telling aides i don't f-ing care they have