even more unsafe. >> yeah, those are issues we need to keep shining a light on. thank you for being with us this morning. appreciate your time. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz balart. follow the show online. thank you for the privilege of your time. anita hill joins andrea mitchell next, that's when andrea mitchell reports starts. go ahead day, everyone. this is "andrea mitchell reports from washington." hutchinson's explosive allegations detailing former president trump's knowledge on the morning of the 6th some of the supporters were indeed armed before the attack on the capitol telling aides i don't f-ing care they have weapons.

they're not here to hurt me, fake the f-ing mags away and his fury not joining them at the capitol leaving him in a fight with his own secret service detail. >> tony described him as being irate. the president said something to the effect of i'm the f-ing president, take me up to the capitol now. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. ingle grabbed his arm, said sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. we're going back to the west wing. >> another bombshell from vice chair liz cheney describing attempts to intimidate witnesses ahead of their depositions to the committee. >> this is a call received by one of our witnesses. quote a person let me know you have your deposition tomorrow. he wants me to let you know he's thinking about you.

he knows you're loyal and you're going to do the right thing when you go in for your deposition. >> just a few moments, i'll be speaking with one of the officers injured defending the capitol on january 6th. at the nato summit in spain, focussing on helping ukraine defend itself from russia's invasion, president biden today meeting with turkey's president erdogan after persuading erdogan to stop blocking sweden and finland from joining the alliance and i'll be joined this hour for anita hill for her reaction for the supreme court's decision to overturn roe v. wade and justice clarence thomas re-examining past decisions on same-sex marriage, contraception and consensual sex. we begin this hour with the january 6th hearings joining us now nbc capitol hill correspondent ali vitali and white house correspondent eugene

daniels. how will the committee push forward now. we've also seen that huge push back from the trump people from the president and his allies against cassidy hutchinson. what are the next moves from the committee? >> yeah, andrea a lot of push back on a wide range of things both disputing anonymously we should point out what happened in "the beast" that day for the president grabbing for the steering wheel and lunching at the security detail and the handwritten note that came up yesterday, a lot of he said, she said but the committee saying to me and others they stand by her testimony that they believe that she's credible and that they have other things to back up what she is saying. we know, too, they are also still seeking testimony and you hear why. you heard cassidy hutchinson talking about the meetings with meadows and trump. it makes sense why we're seeing

the vice chair now this morning again reissuing a plea on twitter saying cippollone and others need to come forward to get to the root of what was happening in the white house that day. i think what chairman bennie thompson said yesterday at the end of the hearing is pretty important. the fact there are these loose threads steaming from the new information the committee is able to get, more people they want to hear from, thompson then saying even if you're someone who already spoke to the committee, maybe if you have new recollections from that day, maybe if you weren't entirely remembering the whole picture, you can still come before the committee and talk to them clearly still asking people to come forward even if they've already talked to the committee for more information. >> maybe he said if they can find or recover some hidden courage.

fillrucker, we note the alleged physical altercation could have been possible because president trump was traveling in an suv, not in the larger limousine also known as the beast on june 6th. your colleague and co-arthur had this information about the secret service agents pushing back on hutchinson's testimony you know well and her book on the secret service and you book, which you co-authored with her. let me replay what carol said to rachel maddow. >> both of these individuals, bobby ingle and tony were very, very close to president trump and some people accuse them of at times being enablers and yes men of the president, particularly tony. very much people who wanted to do what he wanted and see him pleased. >> and so, phil, as you know, better than anyone, you and

carol, there is also context that tony arnado got promoted to a political role, taken out of law enforcement and put in a political role as deputy chief of staff and i think if you give context, it was his leadership of the secret service unit if you will to mike pence's not wanting to get back in the car when he was in the underground garage on january 6th because he didn't trust some of the higher ups. can you fill in some of the gaps there? >> yeah, tony arnado rose to become head of the presidential detail under president trump. he became so close with trump and so trusted by trump that trump elevated him into a political appointment. so he was named deputy chief of staff in the later years of the

trump presidency and he was a political figure who worked underneath mark meadows and over saw all of the president's movements, the operations of the west wing, it was tony arnado basically in charge of telling the secret service detail what it is trump wanted done, where he wanted to go, what the schedule would look like and what the movements might be. he was intergril in the planning. like you say, he's a very political figure and a real fierce trump loyalists and, you know, it's important to keep that in mind when you consider what we know happened over at the capitol on january 6th, which was that vice president pence, his secret service detail all part of the same agency of course led by tony arnado wanted to take him away from the capitol grounds, wanted to put him into his motorcade vehicle

and drive him away to a safe location and it was pence who refused not to get into the car because he wanted to stay at the capitol in the basement until the riot was over. he insisted upon staying because he told his agents if he got in that car, they would take him away and they may not take him back and if they did not take him back to the capitol, he would therefore not be able to do, to fulfill his continue constitutional obligation, his duty of overseeing the certification of the electoral college results on january 6 th. >> and phil, the larger push back or the larger context i should say before, you know, the push back that we saw last night from the president, the former president and his allies, is that no one is disputing that he wanted to go to the hill, that there had actually been a plan for him to go with the protesters. it was an off the record movement that was, you know, had been preplanned that he wanted to take the mags down and he was aware people were armed and he

said things like they're not going to hurt me, which begs the question who did he think they were going to hurt with guns, phil. if you could just. >> that was an extraordinary revelation from cassidy hutchinson's testimony and not in dispute at this hour. we've not heard anybody from the white house or former president trump himself dispute her characterization of what he said in that moment, which is an acknowledgement he knew his supporters had guns. he wanted them to be able to enter the rally at the ellipse while armed. he didn't think that they should have been stopped by the magnatomitors and he said they were not there to hurt me. who were they there to hurt? unclear. he was convinced even though his supporters were coming into the rally with guns, with weapons, firearms, that he did not think they would aim the weapons at

him, the president. >> and eugene daniels, the larger context also is this is not some protests that got out of control. this was a planned operation because her testimony was on events happening with rudy giuliani talking to her on january 2nd about you're going to be there, it's going to be great. the third, the discussions that we now know happened in the oval office about the justice department being taken over. then on the fifth, mark meadows she testified wanted to go to the willard where giuliani and others were meeting and she a 25-year-old saying to the chief of staff, that's not the right place for the chief of staff for the president of the united states. so there was a plan, a plot. >> that's exactly what we heard from her yesterday and been hearing for awhile. i think what was so interesting about cassidy hutchinson yesterday being an emergency hearing, a lot of eyes on it the committee was finally able to

start to really thread together every element of their case against donald trump. and the question has -- the biggest question for us as reporters is okay, what do you think he's done criminally? so all of the things that him and his allies have done criminally is some of the things we heard from her yesterday, experts say that is where there might be donald trump and allies, folks working to overturn the will of the voters. the thing i can't think of a more damming day for donald trump than yesterday. gas cassidy hutchinson was measured and credible as you have people coming out and saying, you know, that she's lying. maybe this is what happened in the car did not happen that way. that is not the most -- that's not the most shocking thing that we heard yesterday, right? so as we wait, we should continue to remind ourselves that all of these people have

been invited to come and speak before the committee, whether or not they're going to do as the 25-year-old did yesterday is to be seen. >> thank you very much eugene daniels. to ali vitali and fill rucker and joining us is one of the police officers that defended the capitol and was present at i believe all of the hearings so far. i've seen you, daniel, in the audience there and watching yesterday of course in person, as well. so first of all your immediate reaction. i believe you told someone yesterday the president of the united states set us up. >> he did. he was told people in the crowd were armed and his immediate reaction is that they're not here to hurt me, implying they're here to hurt someone.

he took the metal detectors down and did knowingly and with great malice a forethought sent people to become terrorists and attack the united states capitol and law enforcement, members of congress, the vice president, congressional staffers, all the support staff at the capitol all in danger. >> how does it make you personally feel? we seen the horrible pictures with your head caught in the revoling doorway as they beat on you. you were injured. it was a terrifying moment for those of us just watching, obviously for you. >> yeah, yeah, seeing images of that day and footage always makes my blood pressure shoot up but i'm always glad the more evidence there the better because people need to see the truth of what happened and how important it is that we get to the bottom of this. >> i want to play for all of us

the radio transmission played and the testimony yesterday from officers, metropolitan police, secret service officers, it's the radio transmissions early in the day when the president and the white house were aware of what was going on. let's watch. >> make sure ppd knows they have an elevated threat in the tree south side of the constitution avenue. look for the gold don't tread on me flag, american blackface mask, cowboy boots, weapon on the right side help. >> three men walking down the street. one carrying an ar-15. copy on independence. >> so that is, you know, what the police were communicating. obviously, armed people. here is what cassidy hutchinson said about it yesterday. >> i recall tony and i having conservation with mark probably around 10:00 a.m., 10:15 a.m.

where i remember tony mentioning knives, guns in the form of pistols and rifles, bear spray, body armor, spears and flag poles. spears were one item, flag poles were one item and tony relaid to me something to the effect of and these f-ing people are fastening spears on stands of flag poles. >> indisputable they knew there were weapons in the crowd. how do you feel about the president of the united states at the time? >> how did i feel about the president at the time? >> now in hearing this. >> it's not surprising. i mean, the president revealed his character a long time before january 6th and a long time before he was president and he knew they had weapons and sent them to the capitol anyway. it demonstrates he doesn't care about anything other than himself and would do whatever it

took to stay in power. >> do you think people will ever be held accountable, people at the top levels including mark meadows, the chief of staff who was certainly exposed in this testimony for being very actively involved in the planning of the attempt to overturn the election? >> i have hope. i have hope that people in positions of power will be held accountable because the committee and staffers are doing, the department of justice is active. we've seen a little bit of that in them seizing cell phones and stuff like that. there is something going on there and i'm hoping it comes to some fruition down the line. >> the final part of the hearing, of course, was this charge by liz cheney and the chair that there is intimidation of witnesses and it's -- we played some earlier. we know that he, the president reads these transcripts and if you want to be on the team and

it really does sound like the way, you know, organized crime figures intimidate witnesses. >> it does. it does. it just really goes to show how important it is that the committee is doing what it's doing and how valid it is and the criticisms are invalid and it's a legitimate investigation and the people who stand to suffer from it are afraid of witnesses coming out. so i hope that they continue to do so. >> one of the capitol officers who was testifying with you at those hearings last summer i guess that long ago. he's decided to take off the uniform and he said because of the injuries that he's suffered. you're still an active member of the metropolitan police force. >> correct. >> have things improved? >> in what respect? in what respect? >> i'm sorry, in respect to

communications and coordination between the capitol police they've got new leadership, the metropolitan police, you know, for these kinds of events. i mean, there are protests around the supreme court and they weren't thankfully violent but. >> well, i'm just a patrol officer so those levels of communication are way above my head. >> okay. >> but i think a lot of people learned a lot of valuable lessons from the 6th so i have a hard time of seeing things have not improved since then. >> thank you for your service, continuing service to us and course communities. >> absolutely. breakthrough ahead, what officials are calling the most important nato meeting in 70 years since the alliance was formed. how did they break the stalemate between finland and sweeten on one side and turkey? you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. "andrea mitchl "andrea mitchl reports" on msnbc.

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big news moments ago at the nato summit in madrid. president biden speaking with turkish president erdogan that follows to drop objections to finland and sweden joining nato paving the way for a historic expansion of the alliance pushing back on russian aggression. like the horrific and deadly russian missile attack on shopping mall in central ukraine on monday. earlier today, president biden also announcing an increase in the u.s. military presence in europe including permanent u.s. troops in poland and more u.s. navy destroyers in spain. joining me is mike rogers, former national security again -- agency director and ben road ro s welcome back. appealing to nato for more weapons, modern artillery, more money. richard told me yesterday they really need aircraft, which they have not gotten. the u.s. is stepping up the

military presence in europe, 20 more troops. is that going to be enough? are there any risks to having permanent basing in poland, which is a nato expansion country because there is, you know, the native charter about that. >> i think what you're seeing is nato has concluded in part based on russians invasion of ukraine that nato needs to reassess its own security posture more broadly. that's reflected in the outcomes of the summit. it's reflected in the u.s. and other nato nations commitment to both increasing the readiness if you will of nato forces but also placing more military capacity within the alliance directly on the eastern borders and areas of the alliance. clearly an indicator, there is increased concern that a putin-led russia has shown in the ukraine as well as what they did in georgia in 2008, ukraine previously in 2014 with the invasion of crimea, the alliance

has come to the conclusion a russia under putin's leadership has shown the willingness to deploy military force against its neighbors and must prepare accordingly. >> does that mean finland and sweden should be nervous? their parliaments have to approve this and very soon they will be nato members and that expands by more than 800 miles, the nato border with russia. >> right, so i think it will be interesting. look at the two other nations finland, norway that have direct borders in the alliance with russia as well as in the southern. it will be interesting as finland joins the alliance, assuming the 30 nation states approve. does finland for example reassess nato presidents within itself, finland for example determine like the baltic states that have directly petitioned nato, we want more alliance military capacity within the borders, it will be interesting to see what finland's assessment as they join the alliance is.

>> and ben, as a former deputy national security advisor and such an important ally political advisor to president obama, the headwinds that this president is now facing, you've got potentially a frozen conflict here and inflation being fueled in part by the war, the energy crisis in europe and around the world so the president comes to this nato meeting in such a different posture than he did last year when he was heralding americans back. america is, you know, reinveigh rating the alliances but a number of the leaders, macron in particular, boris johnson, a lot of leaders especially here at home have push back. >> what is interesting if you step back and look at the gio strategic consequences of the war, he's seen a lot go wrong in

the ukrainian government hasn't fallen. nato has much more presence on russia's borders, which is what putin said he didn't want. ukraine is in a pathway to eu membership. those are long-term plays and the short term, what putin is counting on is a war of attrition in the east where he can out gun the ukrainians and take territory, which is going to make it harder for ukraine to agree to a peace settlement. the sanctions and russian energy off the market and disruption to global markets because of the war has driven up oil prices and an acute food shortage around the world with humanitarian effects as well as having effects in terms of the capacity of people that pay for groceries here in the united states. so putin is counting on those short term conditions to weaken the resolve of the alliances for ukrainians and try to get this into a seize fire that advantages russia because it taking territory and that is,

you know, this is very little joe biden can do about that reality in the coming weeks. he's going to have to make the case it's worth staying invested in the support for ukrainian sovereignty despite some of the costs. >> and ben, i want to switch gears to the january 6th committee because of the extraordinary testimony yesterday and get your reaction to in fact, some part of the deposition of mike flynn, when he was taking the fifth and the fact that a retired four-star general, mike flynn took the fifth amendment when asked some very basic questions by liz cheney. let's watch. >> do you believe the violence on january 6th was justified morally? >> take the fifth. >> you believe the violence was justified legally? >> fifth. >> general flynn, do you believe in the peaceful transition of power in the united states of america?

>> the fifth. >> ben, former national security advisor taking the fifth amendment whether a peaceful transfer of power is something that he supports? >> it's really chilling because these are the most basic questions you could ask somebody about our democracy. admiral rogers knows these are the questions they ask to get a basic security clearance to work in the united states government and i think it shows the depth of the radicalization of aspects of the republican party. flynn represents that. i think what is also chilling is he wasn't national security advisor for long but he was so he knows a lot of secrets, probably read in on a lot of things the u.s. government is doing and so i think that in chilling simplicity illuminates the problem we have here, which is the radicalization of part of the republican party led by donald trump that has a chance of returning to power, which is why these hearings are so

important to hold people accountable. >> and at the same time, you worked in that very small west wing, you know, the wonderful historic building but very small. you know the corridors, the office cassidy hutchinson had between the national security advisor's office and oval office. you may have inhabited that office yourself. >> i'll tell you, andrea, the person that sits at that desk knows everything that goes on. she's right down the hallway from the private dining room of the president, oval office, sees who is coming in and out and see the papers flowing. there are very few people that know what happened on january 6th than cassidy hutchinson. the person that served that role in the obama white house knew more than i did and i was quite close to the president. she's beyond a credible witness. she's one of the very small number of people, hand full of people really who would really know what happened and i think that is why we have to treat her testimony with such credibility because she was know what senior

officials were telling her and what the valet and secret service was telling her because she interacts with all of them in that position. >> thank you so much to ben rhodes and admiral rogers. thanks for being with us today. coming up, though decades after she first testified against supreme court nominee clarence thomas, i'll speak with anita hill about the public's view of the high court following the reversal on roe v. wade and it's affect on women. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" this is msnbc. "andrea l reports" this is msnbc wn with r mom's a1c is down with rybelsus®. (♪ ♪) in a clinical study, once-daily rybelsus® significantly lowered a1c better than a leading branded pill. rybelsus® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't take rybelsus® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2,

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our 30 year journey." glad you're with us. >> good to be with you. >> justice thomas said we should revisit other things like same-sex marriage, contraception, private sexual relations between consenting adults. what is your reaction to that? i know he's right now a minority of one in that view but given the way this court has behaved, what reassurance do you think that people who care about these rights feel now that one constitutionally conferred, one right has been taken away even after half a century? >> well, first of all, i think what you heard from clarence thomas merely is probably in the back of mind to other justices on the court. i certainly think that the

different leaders throughout the country and states that have already banned abortion are thinking about next steps. i think it's a reflection of the times that we're living in. the truly decisive times and polarized times we're in. so i'm not surprised by the language even though others on the court did not necessarily echo it. i just think what we have to understand is the individuals, those of us who are opposed to the dobbs decision need to truly understand that waiting to see what states are going to do or trusting assurances either from the supreme court, sitting supreme court justices or trusting assurances from nominees to the courts is really not a strategy. it's not going to be anfective

strategy moving forward. i think we can expect really enhanced restrictions and expanding restrictions based on the dobbs reasoning and i think we can expect that the supreme court will set a very high bar for overturning those restrictions. and on the flip side, in the states where we are attempting to enhance and affirm reproductive rights, we should expect that the court will set a high bar for affirming that legislation as well. so, you know, there is a lot that we can anticipate but anticipating that at some point that the court will not take up these questions or that the states will not put forward

legislation to ban same-sex marriage based on dobbs is absurd. we cannot allow that to be what we're relying on in the future. >> so what is the strategy to protect women 1,000 miles or more? many women that can't afford that you know so well that women have, you know, so many women in mississippi and louisiana where you have high levels of maternal death and poverty who are more effected by this ruling than, you know, so many of their privileged sisters around the country. >> well, you're absolutely right and what we're really talking about is what are the consequences going to be for them and i think the consequences are going to be

severe and prohibitive in many ways. i don't think that we have a strategy. i'm not part of a group developing a strategy. i think there are lawyers and advocates, reproductive rightsed a -- advocates developing strateies now. i know from my perspective as a professor, we have to think short term and long term. we can't simply looking to one piece of legislation. i think the federal legislation to codify the rights in roe versus wade is can be effective but i think we can't rely on one piece of legislation. i think we've got to help states that want to provide these protections. and support them in the states where abortions are still possible. but i also think that we need to continue to put pressure on

states where the restrictions exist. there's got to be litigation filed against these restrictions that are going to range the whole behavior, whole range of behaviors not simply the same-sex marriage restrictions that might be put in place but also this idea of vigilantes where you can send neighbors out to make sure the law is enforced and the idea of restricting travel, women that want to travel to other states. all of those things are up for grabs now so any kind of strategy that we have, has to be multi level. it has to be at the federal level and a strategy at each state level whether red or blue

states. and it has to anticipate a whole slew of consequences and some of them are pretty dread full. one of the things we haven't thought enough about is this idea of how the ways that some of these laws are written, especially those that allow for vigilante, how they're written really invite a certain kind of emotional, if not physical violence on women. it invites intimate partner violence where women are coerced into having children because they haven't an option for abortion or maybe even contraception. so we've got to think on a whole range of issues and multi level in order to restore some of what has been lost through dobbs. >> and professor hill, i want to ask you about jenny thomas

because she's now a figure, a public figure because of her controversial role, the emails to mark meadows in the plan to overturn the election. very unusual the spouse of a supreme court justice. do you think he should be recruiting himself from election cases? >> yeah, i think that there is at least for the public what i'm aware of, plenty of evidence of conflict of interest. i don't know what the processes are for recusal. but what i think is that there need to be in place some systems for requiring a recusal when there is an obvious conflict or a similar conflict. the confidence of american public in the courts today is at an all-time low and getting

lower and so what we have really is a situation involving a conflict that really undermines the integrity of the entire court. and something needs to be done whether it's done by the senate, the judiciary committee or whether it's done by the court itself, justice roberts. it needs to happen. and so that issue i think is clear but there doesn't seem to be anyway to address it. but more importantly for me, when we talk about dobbs, this is one area of concern in terms of conflicts of interest. what i want us to think about is how are we going to move forward? and you talked about strategy. you know, part of my strategy moving forward whether it's on this issue or related issues is

we've got to have strong descents coming up before the court and the strongest sense have to come from the minority group of three liberal judges we'll call them putting together the road map for moving us forward in terms of the legal strategy. the policy strategy will be led by someone someone where else we the legal strategy can be led by three justices who have every confidence and who can help us understand how we can, as i said, restore the protections that people need to survive and we have, i think, three excellent options for those

descents that will become the law in the future. >> let me quickly ask you i know that many people may not realize but jenny thomas back in 2010 called you and asked you to apologize somehow for your testimony and you were a reluctant witness brought into that. you didn't raise your hand. she wanted to clear things up about the emails and role in overturning the election or attempting to and now her lawyer says she will not. do you think she should make herself available? >> i think any witness that has evidence about what happened in january 6th should be in front of the committee and should be in front of the american public. at happened on january 6th really affects all of us.

i don't care which side of politics you're on. any time you talk about any people engaged in something that will undermine our democracy now and in the future, we deserve to hear. we deserve to know. so i of course i think we should speak to the committee. i also think that every other individual who they have identified should be compelled to speak to the committee or have to answer for it under whatever legal protections the committee has. >> anita hill, thank you, thank you very much and anita hill's book is "believing our 30 years." stephen breyer will officially step down at noon tomorrow. he announced his decision to retire in january saying he

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tuesday's primary saw big wins for several republican incumbents including some that voted for an independent commission into the attack against donald trump's wishes and just one notable win. joining us now, jim macina. and ruth marcus. depty editorial page editor for "the washington post."

mary miller who called the supreme court's abortion ruling victory for white life, then saying she misspoke, she won. your take away looking at last night's primaries? >> yeah, the civil war in the republican party is alive and well, andrea. we continue to go to war with each other. there is a split with the former president. now we dumped abortion into the middle of this. as we go into november over 60% of voters support roe v. wade. so if you're a republican, you a very tough road here. you have to hold close to president trump so he doesn't oppose you and then you have to try to get back to the middle on social issues like abortion and guns and it is very, very hard for these republicans. and that is kind of what we saw last night. >> and ruth, on abortion, there

is some blow back against democrats. there is some democrats that feel their own democratic leaders and the white house, frankly, were not prepared for this even though there was a leak months ago and there should have been prepared for this ruling, and that they didn't do enough on interstate travel, on the pills, and the other states they might have done. >> i understand the frustration. i understand the lack of emotional and practical preparedness. but i do think that the reality is that given the breadth of the administration. >> jip, what about the january 6th committee hearings?

will that have any impact on swit -- swing voters? >> i do and i think if you're you're looking at it now, half of the people think the president did something wrong and they're starting to way away from the president. it is a far right publication and they're no long fit to run again and the war in the party continues and trump continued his own downfall here. but i think the january 6th hearings sho we're past watergate. we're past the president and his par aand some thinking members of his base. >> i want to focus on this.

they want to talk about his unhinged conduct. they emerge from obscurity, tuesday, an unlikely truth teller. now we know there is psh on her and other instances. take it from there. every once in awhile i use it. yesterday was extraordinary, but one of the things that it pointed up was actually how much more information there is for us to get. what did mark meadows talk about when he kept closing the car door on cassidy hutchinson.

who was he speaking with? was it the president? what did the president tell him then or at other times? did he have a meeting at the president's direction with the plotters at the hotel? what did pat cipillone tell the president. this is not a criticism in any way. not just gathering information but presenting it to the american people in the most compelling way that i can recall. i covered the iran contra hearings and so other hearings with you, andrea, but we need to get to the bottom of this, that means not just the january 6th committee, but the department of justice has more capacity to compel testimony and needs to keep pushing on what happened. >> very briefly no surprise that the whole wing is going after

her now. tooth and nail. >> that we know the play book. it starts from the play books. >> that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports" thank you for being on us. chris jansing report starts right after this. chris jansing report dinner and desert. you're remembering how to tie a windsor. and while your washer is getting out those grass stains. right after this for all of life's moments get the brands you trust to get the job done at wayfair. ♪ wayfair you've got just what i need ♪ i'm jonathan lawson

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good afternoon, i'm kris jansing. at this hour it's clear that cassidy hutchinson's spell binding testimony lived up to the hype and then son. along with a exclamation point on the dramatic stories of donald trump and single minded determination to stay in power, did she provide evidence that crimes were committed or push the justice department any closer to taking action against the people in charge on january 6th. the answer may be in what she told us about the former president's mind-set which is key to building a legal case against him the stories that we previously heard, for those that sat by and did not to