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versus 16 grams in ensure high protein. boost® high protein also has key nutrients for immune support. boost® high protein. good afternoon. i'm chris jansing at msnbc headquarters in new york city. we're still working on getting a full picture of the impact of cassidy hutchinson's bombshell testimony even a full 24 hours after she spoke. but there's no question it's the closest we've gotten to seeing a direct line from former president trump to the violence at the capitol on january 6th and it does raise new questions about if and when the justice department might decide to get involved. the headline in the conservative "national review" said the system was, quote, devastating, and argued that things will not be the same after this.

>> i overheard the president say something to the effect of, i don't care that they have weapons, they're not here to hurt me, take the effing mags away. i remember saying something to the effect of, mark, we need to do something more, they're literally calling for the vice president to be hung. he replied, he thinks mike deserves it, he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. >> some congressional republicans tried to poke holes in her testimony. mark meadows is also pushing back against hutchinson's testimony, specifically saying he was seeking a pardon. a spokesperson for meadows telling nbc news, quote, meadows never sought a pardon and never planned to. but as january 6th committee

member jamie raskin said earlier on this network, the central facts of her testimony are not in dispute. >> nobody is challenging the central material facts of her testimony that donald trump and mark meadows were perfectly aware that there were armed people in the crowd and that donald trump wanted to wave them in in order to swell the force of that crowd which he then aimed like a missile at the u.s. capitol. >> i want to bring in jacqueline alemany, the co-founder of bunch bowl news jake sherman, former white house press secretary robert gibbs, and former prosecutor barbara mcquade. it does seem we're moving closer to the possibility that former president trump could face criminal charges, obviously completely uncharted territory. how much does the concern over setting that kind of precedent

weigh when the justice department is making its decision? >> oh, i think it always is something they have to think about. the justice department is required to consider two questions in deciding a criminal case. one, can they charge, is there sufficient evidence. and secondly, should they charge, would it advance a substantial federal interest. when it's the president, i think there is a concern that you're setting a very dangerous precedent that new administrations will charge their predecessors, and also i think there's concern it gets caught up into politics and other kind of things. but also i think you have to think about the consequences of not charging. one of the reasons we charge criminal cases is to deter bad behavior. and if you don't deter this bad behavior, it only emboldens people to try again. >> let me ask you, robert, politics is not supposed to play a role in the decisions a court makes, but every day that away hear more, brings us closer to when donald trump might decide to announce another white house

run. are there political, are there security considerations involved or that you think maybe should be considered in doj's decisionmaking? >> well, i think this justice department and previous justice departments, maybe not the trump justice department, are not going to get involved in the politics of this. if anything, democrats have been anxious and nervous that merrick garland hasn't moved fast enough. so i think a judicious nature in this is important, and i think the attorney general is going to go about this in a very methodical way, but i will say the testimony yesterday was simply devastating. as you said, and you put up on "the national review," scholars on the liberal and conservative side said the outcome of yesterday moves donald trump and some of his associates closer to a criminal case. and i think that is -- that is very important. it's a big, big development.

ani thinkse hearings have been devastating for trump and are actually informative for the american people. they haven't been hearings as much as presentations of a case of which we knew some of the contours of but boy, we've gotten some granular detail that really is shocking. >> there is an argument to be made that one of the ways you judge how impactful it is is how much people push back. and jackie, people have been trying to dismiss hutchinson as low level. but she was the one pat cipollone was going to try to ensure that trump didn't go to the capitol and she was the one that apparently talked mark meadows out of meeting with rudy giuliani and john eastman the night before. take a listen. >> i had made it clear to mr. meadows that i didn't believe it was a smart idea for him to go to the willard hotel that night. i wasn't sure everything that was going on at the willard hotel, although i knew enough about what mr. giuliani and his associates were pushing during

this period, i didn't think that it was something appropriate for the white house chief of staff to attend or to consider involvement in. i made that clear to mr. meadows. >> what in fact, jackie, does it say, when a 25-year-old, and she was impressive yesterday, but a 25-year-old, is apparently being seen by some people as a kind of firewall? >> yeah, chris, look, i think that there are obviously some questions that are legitimate about the committee's sources and methods here, you know, whether or not they are going to ultimately be able to corroborate some of the claims cassidy hutchinson made. there is no denying some parts of her story that have been corroborated by videotaped depositions and her credibility

they established at the beginning of the hearing, not just how close in proximity she resided at the oval office, she was within a five-second stroll to the oval, and there were people who stressed just how close she was with mark meadows. it does say something, and i think it underscores what the committee has been saying all along, that it took a 25-year-old and -- to come out and tell the truth, testify under oath, and put herself in such a situation. the committee has been saying all along it's the young people, people working in entry level jobs, who were closely tied, the right-hand man to these higher-up officials who were big names in trump's orbit who have ultimately come forward to do the right thing and to tell the committee everything that they know. >> jake, in punchbowl news you wrote that a source is telling you at least one of the witness tampering messages that liz cheney disclosed at the end of

the hearing was actually sent to hutchinson herself. what more do we know about the threats and the pressure facing her? >> well, i don't know anything about security threats. i think i would imagine the committee has some measures to keep her safe and to keep her secure. i would just surmise that based on covering congress. we also reported this afternoon the committee is going to subpoena pat cipollone, the white house counsel under donald trump. i want to stress one thing that jackie said, and she's so right. mark meadows was the chief negotiator for president trump on the covid packages that happened in the trump administration. cassidy was in every single meeting with nancy pelosi, chuck schumer, kevin mccarthy. i mean, if you made a list of people who were close to meadows, it would probably be

her and one other person who were the closest to mark meadows. and it is unusual, of course, that a 25-year-old would be in that position in the white house, but it's not unheard of in dc. young people have a lot of power in dc, whether it's on capitol hill or otherwise. and frankly, there is something to be said, as you noted, chris, in the opening, about the whole pushing back thing. cassidy testified under oath. the people who are pushing back on her by and large have not testified under oath. and i'm sure the committee would like to hear them testify under oath. on this question of the secret service incident, the incident where she indicated that trump lunged at a secret service agent when he wouldn't drive him to the capitol, that is something that jackie alluded to this as well, but yes, there are questions about that testimony. but what i would say there is that she never said she witnessed that. she said she heard it secondhand. so i would agree with everybody

who is saying this was a particularly damaging hearing, especially for mark meadows, and raises the stakes for the committee in getting cipollone and getting the secret service into the room to testify. >> to that point, and what jackie said as well, robert, i do want to remind people of hutchinson's physical proximity to power in the west wing. here is part of the hearing yesterday, the one that shows the map of the white house. >> on the right you can see the president's oval office. on the left, the chief of staff's office suite. within the chief of staff's office suite is the heart of the west wing, was your desk. >> you know the west wing well, robert, almost immediately after her testimony began donald trump disparaged her on social media and among other things he wrote, i hardly knew who this person cassidy hutchinson is. given where she worked, given

who she worked for, what are the chances that's true? >> very small. and just to be clear, if you look at that map, and if you've been in the west wing, some of those offices, you can reach out your arms on either side and touch the edges of them. it's not a big workspace by any stretch of the imagination. it's about seven steps from the chief of staff's office to the oval office. and if there's a crisis, you can run in three. it's a very compact area. the likelihood that he didn't understand who she was, and to jake's point, she was in every meeting. she was in every meeting that mark meadows thought was important. that's all you need to know. she didn't testify that she had access to the nuclear codes. she testified to what she heard when she was in the room. i think jake's point on this testimony under oath is incredibly important, right? and i appreciate that people can

tell reporters to be quoted as unnamed sources. if people on this call had a nickel for every time they heard a trump official lie to a reporter, they wouldn't be on this call, they would be counting their money on a small island, right? just to be clear, if somebody goes in and testifies in front of this committee, they're not going to be asked one question. they're going to spend six or eight hours answering a lot of questions. and i'll be interested to see if mark meadows really wants to go in there and argue one point about a pardon rather than sit there for eight hours and talk about every bit of his actions. >> go ahead, jake. >> it's also just -- it belies what reporters in dc know. mark meadows, it's no secret, mark meadows had a friendly relationship with the press. not that he was friends with reporters, but he spoke to reporters. he was oftentimes quoted on the record in stories when he was white house chief of staff. people have been in his office before in the west wing, that chief of staff's office. look, you can't tell reporters

who have seen, including me, cassidy with meadows in important meetings and outside of his office -- i mean, it doesn't pass the straight face test. and it doesn't make any sense to people who were around and covered -- we're not talking about ancient history. this was two years ago. we all understand that she was -- had incredibly close proximity to power because we were all there experiencing that proximity to power. >> so barbara, i want to ask you about something that was written in punchbowl, and bear with me, jake, but here is what was written today, which was, if you asked any trump world insider who would be the least likely person to testify against the administration, hutchinson would be atop the list. she was loyal to trump to a fault, despite what trump says now. hutchinson, as we've been saying, was in every meeting with meadows, was one of his top defenders. but the question, barbara, is, and it's to the point that was made at the end of the committee, what she had to say

and the questions it raised, will it spur any more insiders, topic trump world insiders, to dish? punchbowl's conclusion is probably not. but how do you see this playing out? >> i think her testimony highlighted just how important it would be to hear from mark meadows and pat cipollone. she raised some very unusual circumstances. when meadows refused to open the car door when she wanted to talk with him, he closed it on her twice, when she alerted him to the presence of weapons and he was unfazed by that as if he already knew, when she told him the capitol had been breached and he needed to do something, he shrugged and said trump doesn't want to do anything. she raised some really important questions. she had secondhand information based on what those men were saying to her about their

conversations with president trump. but they're the ones who had those conversations. it behooves all of us to hear what they had to say. even if they won't testify before the january 6th committee, you can bet the justice department is interested in talking to them, they will serve them with subpoenas. the department of justice can grant them immunity and they will be compelled to testify, or they go to jail. that's where the rubber meets the road. >> robert, you and i, our paths did not cross but i spent the last 2 1/2 years of the obama administration covering it, so we know many of the same people. what was the text traffic like, among you, if you want to dish, and people you worked with in the administration who are in that white house? >> i think a couple of things, just sheer astonishment about what was testified around the secret service. these are people that they put their lives on the line.

somebody is wearing a bulletproof vest to step in front of a bullet for the president. and for that kind of treatment, it's just stunning. and then obviously the breaking of dishes and ketchup on the wall, i mean, i've seen barack obama mad, he's never lifted a fork. i thought it was -- i got a bit of a chuckle out of that. >> robert, jacqueline, jake, your reporting has been amazing, barbara mcquade, thank you as always. we're not done on this new testimony to the january 6th committee yet because i'm going to talk to a former secret service agent about the back and forth over exactly what did go down in the president's car after his january 6th speech. plus a senator in the thick of the fight to protect safe access to abortion. senator patty murray will join me on her demands for the president and her party. but first, the verdict is in for what's considered to be one of the biggest criminal trials in france's modern history, the case of the 2015 paris terror attacks. you're watching msnbc.

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president biden has announced he's beefing up america's military presence in europe in response to russia's invasion of ukraine. there will now be a permanent army corps headquarters in poland, two aircraft squadrons in the uk as well as increased operations in germany, italy, and spain. biden made the pledge at the

start of this week's nato summit in madrid. the gathering could be among the most consequential in the history of that alliance, given russia's war and the historic decision to expand and bring in new members. joining me now from madrid is nbc news senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell, what a gorgeous backdrop, kelly. the admission of finland and sweden into the alliance and president biden's announcement of a beefing up of american military presence sent a message. >> reporter: yes, and that's exactly what vladimir putin did not want. as you explained it, the additional placement of u.s. forces and traps on the eastern flank of nato, the countries that could conceivably be vulnerable based on what we've all witnessed over the last seven months, and then we've also seen how things that the president did initially after

the invasion with temporary placement of forces in europe are now becoming permanent and long standing. so that tells you that the nature of how the u.s. views its place in europe and in this new positioning with nato is something that's going to be enduring, one of the biggest resets since the could actually war. when you add finland and sweden, that is really changing thins, because those two countries existed for decades in a neutral posture. they're right next to russia and the former soviet union in times gone by, and they've had their own history with aggression. but they wanted to remain neutral, until now. that's exactly what putin did not want. the thought of ukraine expanding into nato has been described as one of the things that upset putin in the first place. so now, having nato go from 30 to 32 nations that are members, and of course that has to be formalized by each of the member

countries, but the big announcement here is that expansion. and so they're looking for countries to give more, do more, and to show strength, especially with the threat of russia that officials here say is the biggest threat to the alliance since the end of the cold war, chris. >> kelly o'donnell in madrid for us, thank you so much for that. still to come, presidential behavior. lunging with rage, dish-throwing, ketchup dripping down the oval office walls. a former secret service agent joins me after this. secret ser secret ser joins me after this. it's easier to do more innovative things. [whistling]

breaking news from just moments ago when a court in france started handing down verdicts against 20 men accused of involvement in the 2015 paris attacks. a long and complex trial with accusations of crimes ranging from helping provide the attackers with weapons and cars to planning to take part in the attack that killed 130 people. prosecutors have asked that a surviving member of the group suspected of carrying out the attacks be given life without parole which is the most severe potential penalty. joining me now, nbc's kelly

cobiella. to say this has been a long road for families of the victims would be an understatement. what happened today? >> reporter: that's so true, chris. this is a culmination of ten months of witness testimony and also testimony from the defendants. and really reliving those days in november of 2015, days of the worst terror attack on paris soil. 130 people killed, many of the survivors and their families still living with the effects of that attack today. today they heard finally the verdict in what has been the biggest criminal trial in french history. 19 guilty verdicts, 19 of the defendants found guilty on all counts they were charged with. one found not guilty. the key here really was one

particular defendant, a belgian-born french citizen who is believed to be the only surviving attacker from that main group. police said he was meant to be one of the suicide attackers at the national stadium where three suicide vests were detonated. they said they found his defective vest in a trash can. his defense was in fact it wasn't defective, that he had a change of heart, threw the vest in a trash bin and fled. he asked for forgiveness from the victims when he took the stand a few months ago, the very first time he's actually spoken about these attacks was during this trial. so the question is will he now be sentenced to life in prison without parole? that's not a sentence that all of the survivors wanted.

some said that because of his expression of remorse on the stand, that he should get a more lenient sentence and also because he apparently was not part of the main -- was not one of the main attackers. the victims also spoke about just how this affected them, saying essentially, look, this was not just about a criminal case, it was also about giving them some kind of closure, chris. >> kelly cobiella in london for us on that, thank you so much, we appreciate it. rage and ketchup. a striking visual involving former president trump, courtesy of former white house aide cassidy hutchinson. she testified to trump's reaction after his attorney general said in an interview that there was no widespread election fraud. >> there was ketchup dripping down the wall and there's a shattered porcelain plate on the floor. the valet had articulated that

the president was extremely angry at the attorney general's ap interview and had thrown his lunch against the wall. >> i want to bring in a national security journalist and former secret service special agent, author of the book "becoming bulletproof: life lessons from a secret service agent." tim o'brien is an msnbc political analyst. the former president sued him over a biography he wrote about him. tim, you know how trump was as a businessman. were these stories of anger, even rage, a surprise you to? obviously besides the difference that now he was the leader of the free world. >> no. i mean, donald trump has rolled this way for most of his adult life. he's short tempered, he's angry when he doesn't get his own way. he lashes out at people who work

for him, at business competitors, at other politicians, and he often tries to get his fingers into the machinery of law enforcement and regulation to bend them to his will. he's used to trying to do that. so no, none of this is surprising. i just think the impact and the scope of it obviously is so much more momentous now. when he did these things as a kind of second tier new york businessman, he affected his residence, he affected his business partners, his banks, his own company, but he wasn't affecting the entire country. and all of these things that we know about him, his narcissism, his irrationality, his ill temper, have now all come to bear on democracy and the 2020 election results in a really unfortunate way. but i think from a law enforcement standpoint, i don't think he's ever been in this kind of position before because he's exposed himself i think to criminal liabilities, to a

number of them. yesterday's testimony only sealed up further the possibility that merrick garland will take action on this. >> evi, i want to play some testimony from hutchinson, her recalling what she heard from defendant chief of operations tony ornato, after the president was told he would not be taken to the capitol on january 6th. >> tony described him as being irate. the president said something to the effect of, i'm the effing president, take me up to the capitol now. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engel grabbed his arm, said, sir, you need to take your hand of the steering wheel, we're going back to the west wing. >> she also heard that trump had lunged at the clavicle of the head of his detail. there are people including a source close to the secret service who says both ornato and

bobby engel deny that happened although they do not deny trump was irate or that he demanded to be driven to the capitol. but i'm wondering as a former secret service agent both your reaction to all of this and do you think these agents should and will testify to what they experienced? >> so the first thing when i heard her testimony was, did she actually see it or is this being said to her by somebody else. and whoever did see it, that would really be the person you need to speak to to corroborate this, that would be the number one thing. she's saying in her testimony that robert engel was the detail lead, and tony ornato is the one saying this. typically secret service does not like to insert themselves or add themselves like this but there are rumors that the secret service could potentially allow them to testify especially if these accounts are not accurate. i would understand if they're doing that because they're

trying to -- historically secret service does not like to testify. the last time we saw something like this was with monica lewinsky -- the incident with monica lewinsky, they were asked to testify as to what they had seen president clinton do with or without monica lewinsky. you want to be close to the person you're protecting. if you're testifying about their behavior, that makes the mission of the secret service much, much harder. if we see this happen, it's typically not something they wanted to do. it does make the choice to put those agents out front, that says something. i personally know both agents and especially robert engel, if he says it didn't happen, it did not happen. >> i do wonder, though, to your point, whether -- i mean, look, institutions have been -- our critical institutions have been in a difficult spot over recent years. and what you think this might

mean for the secret service as an institution, how important is it to get the truth out there. >> i think they know the truth, whether it did or didn't happen. what's happening is now the public is being told a narrative. is it true, is it not true? secret service don't deal just with the president, you're dealing with first ladies, first children, foreign heads of state. do you come into contact with certain behaviors? absolutely, you do. let's say there is truth to all this. we don't know, right? but if there's truth, you're doing two things. one, you have to keep individuals safe, the president of the united states. in this situation you want to be sure, you can't go to the capitol, it's not safe for you, we're dealing with a mob, we have a certain number of agents, can we handle what we're inserting ourselves into? we cannot. these are still civilians, so are you ready to use lethal deadly force should you need to

on civilians? you're making a call that could escalate a situation. the second aspect is, you are taking the president, bringing him to an environment, and now you have to think about the public. you inserting him into that environment, is that escalating violence? you have to take into account, am i making this worse, am i escalating not just a threat to his life but also escalating conflict and violence amongst all those people? that's where you look at it from a security perspective. and yes, historically in the past, do you tell your protectees no? you tell them no. >> interesting stuff, did you both. the other major development in washington having ripple effects across the country, i'll be speaking to senator patty murray who has been at the forefront of protecting rights

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in the wake of the supreme court overturning roe v. wade, a patchwork of new abortion restrictions is taking shape across the country. today six states are able to enforce new abortion bans. nine other states have restrictive laws on the books that are currently being held up by legal challenges. now a group of democratic senators are calling on president biden to take bold action to protect the right to an abortion for every woman. with me now, one of the senators leading that charge, senator patty murray from washington state. thank you, senator. what specifically would you like to see the president do? >> well, i think this is an urgent time to protect the lives and livelihood of women across the country, literally making sure we're doing everything we can to make sure women get the access to health care that they

need that's important for their health and their family. we want the president to absolutely look into every corner and see what we can do to help, how can we make sure medical abortions are available, how can we make sure women's access to contraceptives is free and available, how can we make sure that women are protected and their personal, private data is protected if they seek an abortion in another state, and literally to look everywhere, because the truth is, the president can't overturn the ruling of the supreme court, only congress can. we have to make sure that in the coming election, we elect pro-choice democrats so we have the ability to do that. but until then, we have to do everything we can at every level to protect women and their health in this country. >> i think to that end there is this new dnc ad that is out that focused on abortion rights, and i want to play a clip of that for you. >> mcconnell and mccarthy have

been clear that if they have the chance, that they will pass a nationwide ban. >> the tag line there is "defendchoice.org." you're running, so you're in the middle of this, because you talked about the fact that the way to do this is to elect people in congress. how do you make that message resonate? we've asked this a lot, but at a time when a lot of folks are frankly focused on the economy, focused on gas prices, focused on food prices, how do you make that something that really motivates people to go to the polls? >> i'm finding that it already is. women and men are appalled that for the first time in 50 years, the republicans have taken us to a place where women can no longer make their own health care choices. it is being dictated by republican politicians across the country. so your ability to work with

your own doctor, your own health care, your own family, your own choices, has been ripped away by this extreme right and by their movement to overturn the court decision in roe v. wade, but also as we know, pence and mcconnell and others have said if they get the majority, they're going to make a national federal ban on abortion that will impact even those states who today are continuing to be able to provide this kind of health care for women. so our work is cut out for us and it is now up to people in this country to use their votes and their voices to go to the polls in november, to give us the ability to put roe into law at the federal level so every woman, every family has the ability to make share own health care and economic choices. >> part of the messaging, senator, obviously, is in the specifics, right? and you voted for the women's health protection act. but even some supporters of abortion rights believe that

legislation would go too far. is there political danger here for vulnerable democrats at any level, frankly, to push beyond what roe enshrined? >> the women's health protection act that we passed with 49 democrats and we need three more to put this into law, makes sure that roe becomes the law of the land. and that means that every woman will be able to make her own health care choices, as i said, with her doctor, her faith, not being dictated by others, by government officials or politicians. and i feel those protections are very strong. and it's very clear the party that is endangering that is the republicans who at every turn have chipped away at women's rights to make those health care choices over the last 50 years. they got their first prize in overturning roe and they are now working towards a federal ban on abortion. i assure you, because i've seen

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on the ground in ukraine stunning footage of the conditions. russia claims the mall was not the intended target that it was intended to strike a fuel depot. >> reporter: the russian federation claims the shopping mall was not in operation at all. it hit the factory that housed weapons and the weapons detonated and started a fire here. what we are seeing on the ground and hearing from people, it doesn't match the version of

events at all. look with me and see for yourself. ukrainian officials say there is a factory near the shopping center that was hit by a russian missile but the factory had nothing to do with military operations. it was focused on construction related to roadways and not one but two missiles directly hit this shopping center. we spoke to a woman that worked here for an optometrist inside doing her job when she felt the rumble and everything collapsing around her. her medical coat is covered in soot and the smell takes her back to that moment. >> i started to choke. i couldn't breathe. i saw down on the ground. i covered my head. i was trying to see what happened with other people.

we were sitting on the armchairs i was yelling you have to go down to the ground. >> reporter: ukraine's prosecutor is investigating this as a potential crime against humanity. for many this attack is a reminder the fighting intensifies every day. there's heavy streetfighting. ukraine is everywhere. every community is impacted this is a reminder of daily life. reminder of daily life. >> thank you. the supreme court ruling that the state of louisiana can use a republican john congressional map that they believe diminishes the power. the map pucks the majority of louisiana voters into a single district. look at the picture. a federal judge wanted to redraw the map with two district with black voters. the state legislature refused.

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voters and that is basically locked in for a partisan formation that will have significant outcomes for years to come. that something that only happens every 10 years and to allow an election on a discriminatory map is to deny justice by ignoring justice. >> are you concerned about the future? >> i'm always concerned because of the transformative power they have. it's a very multiethnic democracy. this division alone does not implicate the voting rights acts. it really is disrespectful to what it commands. at this order is issued by the justice has no legal x donation to make us believe that there is anything specific about the

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